Open Thread: 3/15 Camp Notes



The Yankees beat the Marlins this afternoon, rebounding nicely from yesterday’s shellacking at the hands of the Blue Jays. CC Sabathia allowed two runs on eight hits in five innings, his first real game action of Spring Training. By all account his surgically repaired elbow held up just fine and he will make another start in a few days. That’s the big story of the day, obviously.

Derek Jeter singled and played shortstop again, and his surgically repaired ankle is doing a-okay. Also good news. Travis Hafner and Frankie Cervelli both launched homers, the first of the Grapefruit League season for both. Joba Chamberlain and David Robertson both threw an inning, with Roberson allowing the runner he inherited from Joba to score. Jose Pirela went 2-for-3 off the bench with two triples, so that’s cool. Here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Tampa…

  • Ronnie Mustelier crashed into the railing around the camera well in this afternoon’s game, and he has “multiple contusions to both legs” and will be reevaluated again tomorrow. He’s not going for x-rays but will take tomorrow off and target a return to the lineup on Tuesday following Monday’s off-day. [Dan Barbarisi]
  • Slade Heathcott has patellar tendinitis — that’s a knee issue unrelated to the thumb problem he dealt with a week or two ago — and there is no word on when he might return to the field. Sigh. [Chad Jennings]
  • Michael Pineda (shoulder) and Cesar Cabral (elbow) threw another round of 35-pitch bullpen sessions this morning, including sliders and changeups. So far, so good. [Jennings]
  • Boone Logan (elbow) will throw live batting practice tomorrow. He’s been sidelined by a nagging elbow issue in camp and has yet to appear in a Grapefruit League game. [George King]
  • Tyler Austin and Mark Montgomery were named the 2012 Kevin Lawn Player and Pitcher of the Year, the team announced. It’s a minor league thing, obviously. Past winners include Eduardo Nunez, Austin Romine, Austin Jackson, David Phelps, Phil Coke, and Ian Kennedy.
  • The Yankees are playing a pair of split squad games tomorrow. Hiroki Kuroda & Co. will face Phillies at home while David Phelps heads to Disney to face the Braves along with Cervelli, Jayson Nix, Nunez, Matt Diaz, Ben Francisco, and Melky Mesa. The home game will be on YES and (12pm ET), the road game on only (5pm ET).

Here is your open thread for the evening. The big game of the night is USA-Puerto Rico in the World Baseball Classic (7pm ET on MLB Network), an elimination game where the loser goes home and the winner goes to the semifinals in San Francisco. Ryan Vogelsong and former Yankees farmhand Nelson Figueroa is your pitching matchup. The Devils are also playing, but talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.


  1. Bob Buttons says:

    In Giants-related semi-news
    Tynes is probably gone, while we already lost Bennett and Phillips. Got Ross back along with Keith Rivers.

    Now we really need to resign Cruz and Brown.

    • trr says:

      BIG Giants fan, and yes we need both Cruz and Brown.
      Also need a quality LB, depth at RB.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        “Experts” seem to think that they’ll get a LB, DE or TE in the draft so I’m not too worried about LB but it would be nice if they got someone of quality.

        I also hope to see Webster’s role reduced. He was painful to watch last season.

        • Barry says:

          He definitely struggled. CB is the most difficult position to find a true shut down at, IMO we need to get a shut down corner.

          • Bob Buttons says:

            Indeed. Even video game CBs are often pieces of crap (despite having 90+ ratings). Whenever I play Madden 08 all of the touch downs I give up (against AI) is due to them exploiting my CBs that cannot play zone or man.

            Shutdown corner would be nice, but a competent one would be good enough.

    • Ruby says:

      I know its completely unrealistic but i think it would be cool to see dwight freeney and james harrison as part of the pass rush as OLB for big blue. Also i dont really see anyone making an offer to cruz because of the first round tender, the only team that i saw as a threat was the ravens to replace boldin but they dont seem like they will spend any money whatsoever.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        Not a huge worry about Cruz getting away but if he ends up disgruntled or holds out it would suck. Yes, he’s replaceable but it be much easier (and possibly cheaper) to just get him back.

        A bit funny how some NFL fans want the salary cap gone and cites MLB, while MLB fans wants a cap NFL style.

        • Ruby says:

          no cap in the NFL would be interesting considering all the money in it as arguably the most popular sport in the country…as for the MLB id rather see a salary floor implemented before a cap to prevent the fiasco that is the marlins from happening.

          • Bob Buttons says:

            As a guy who still holds a grudge for 2003, I say.. a soft floor where you don’t receive any revenue sharing if you drop below that.

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      Haha, suck it, Giants!

      Here’s hoping the Phillips signing isn’t a secret Giants plot like the Steve Smith defection clearly was.

  2. Craig says:

    Wrote this prior to the Boesch move, but Joba has to be traded sooner rather than later.


    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      They won’t be getting any draft pick if Joba leaves.
      No way he gets a qualifying offer.

      Also, highly unlikely 2 relievers (one for only one season, the other unproven) is anywhere near enough to return Olt.

    • Pasta says:

      Joba monty and austin should do it
      Big league , Aaa Closer stuff, aa guy who can become olt

  3. dkidd says:

    they should just bring slade north

    get as much as they can before he goes full grady sizemore

  4. Ruby says:

    long time reader but rarely (ever) post comments but love to follow them, anyway, heres my thought on the upcoming season:

    I dont understand all the doom and gloom pre-injuries, and even now with the injuries. non of the other teams really scare me, the jays need to prove health with bautistas wrist, joses legs on 90 games on turf, johnsons shoulder, etc. as well as dickey repeating his cy young performance in a stronger division and romero not sucking again and encarnacion repeating his monster output from last year. the o’s havent really improved and their staff isnt something to marvel at and they are only poised to regress rather than progress. the redsox are a shell of the competitive power they once were with a weaker staff and much weaker lineup aside from pedroia. as for the rays they would be the biggest competition if longoria stays healthy, jennings produces at the rate bj did last year and myers then produces equal or better to what jennings did last year (which is far from a sure thing) plus they have no real answer at first to replace penas power and d (not much else to his game). their staff is going to be solid as ever and they will put together a solid pen, however i still see the division shaping up with the Yanks coming out on top followed by the rays, jays, o’s and sox rounding out the bottom.

    Its not going to be easy but by no means as doom and gloom as some are making it out to be. granted this requires health to be maintained or have options fill voids, but if any other team was picking up a teixera type bat and glove, granderson type bat, arod type bat and a pineda type arm im sure theyd take that every day of the week and twice on sundays. Yes there will be inevitable injuries to youk, pronk, and maybe even jeter but as the team is built if they can stay treading water until those former pieces back they can survive injures to the latter. This team will have a much different look than previous teams but that doesnt mean its the end of the world. so everybody step off the ledge, but if youre gonna continue to be “end of the world” please feel free to jump.


  5. Ruby says:

    Thanks, thats very interesting i never really considered the natural light to be a problem but it totally makes sense for canada…as for Tampa, the trop has to go its horrible and depressing for baseball to be played totally indoors and on turf. I believe they should just go with a retractible roof ala Houston.

    • Ruby says:

      Reply fail, that was for Bob Buttons

    • Bob Buttons says:

      A lot of factors come into play for the turf in Toronto but I think the biggest thing is that they mentioned they can’t just tear up the free turf they got after 2 years or MLB will be damn pissed. Kinda like Marlins selling off all their guys after finally getting a team deserving of a new stadium (subtract the monstrosity in the OF).

      TB, I don’t know. A lot of people are saying reasons like actual location to a crappy park. IMHO it’s not a bad idea to contract the Marlins and (insert team here) and move TB there.

      • MannyGeee says:

        The should contract the Marlins and move the Rays to Orlando. Can’t do any worse. He’ll, Jacksonville is a shithole, and I am betting they could support a team better than Tampa has. Look at the draw the Jaguars get.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          Well, football is more popular than baseball, so there’s that. Wouldn’t bet against you on that though.

          • MannyGeee says:

            Agreed that football carries more weight than baseball right now in America (for shame…). Point beingTampa and the management there has done an abortion worthy job with a team that has soaked up top10 picks for years and is consistently 1 or 2 good FA signing from making the run.

            Any other team any any other leadership group (non-Loria Division, of course) could do some real damage with that team.

            • Cool Lester Smooth says:

              Are you seriously questioning Tampa’s leadership group? Andrew Friedman et al are the only reason Tampa: “is consistently 1 or 2 good FA signing from making the run”
              despite their not-even-a-shoestring budget.

              When no one watches your games or buys your merchandise and you’re locked into a shitty TV deal through 2016 and in an awful ballpark in a terrible baseball city until 2027, there’s no money to spend on the team.

              If you were talking about the Pirates or the Royals leadership, you’d be right, but Tampa Bay is currently literally making the best of a bad situation, and all of the credit has to go to their outstanding leadership group.

              • MannyGeee says:

                Sorry, but “there’s no money” is bull shit. We can go on for days about a chicken or egg argument as to if Freidman is a saint or the antichrist. My opinion is that when you continue to draft in the top 10 for the first decade of existence, you’re going to look pretty goddam smart.

                That said, if you win games and don’t trade or walk away your franchise players because you don’t want to pay them market value…

                • Cool Lester Smooth says:

                  They have investors, they can’t run at a loss. So, yes, they do have money problems.

                  And drafting in the top 10 is no guarantee of success. Look at the Pirates and the Royals.

                  Anyway, here are the first rounders on their 2008 World Series roster:

                  Evan Longoria
                  BJ Upton
                  Rocco Baldelli (played 28 games)
                  Jeff Niemann (in the bullpen)
                  David Price (in the bullpen)
                  Carlos Pena (drafted by Rangers in 1998)
                  JP Howell (drafted by Royals)
                  Gabe Gross (drafted by Blue Jays)
                  Cliff Floyd (drafted by Expos)
                  Matt Garza (drafted by Twins)
                  Scott Kazmir (drafted by Mets)

                  TL;DR: Only 2 of their starting players were drafted in the first round by the Rays the year they made the World Series. The rest were from smart trades, and scrap heap pickups.

                  (Crawford was a 2nd rounder)

  6. trr says:

    Thanks Ruby – yes, we all get too cynical sometimes, I guess that’s prt of being a Yankee fan

    • Ruby says:

      I agree to an extent, being to young to experience anything but the torre era (i.e. no real bad teams), that as fans we take the “championships or bust” to heart when in reality an ’08 89 win team would have been nice for any team that didnt win their division….especially considering the tigers won like 84 games that year i think. But i also feel that passion for winning by fans and team alike make this the best franchise in sports

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Nice read….all of it.

        Stick around for sure. We need more fans whose fandom runs beyond the boxscore and standings.

  7. Bob Buttons says:

    Random irrelevant senseless jibber-jabber time.

    People who should have never graduated from school. (For other than obvious reasons like confusion of your/you’re, there/their, its/it’s, because those can be explained by laziness and such.) Just to say, if you get offended, too bad. It’s the truth.

    -People who confuse “lose” with “loose”.
    It ain’t even being lazy, that’s one extra letter in there. One is not winning, one is not tight. They don’t even have related meanings! It’s not like it’s a giant word like idiosyncrasy, not a rarely used word like hullabaloo, and not a foreign word like schadenfreude or kindergarten. Why the bloody hell are you getting a four letter word wrong?

    -People who use the word “irregardless”
    The affixes ir- and -less are both negative. It’s kinda entertaining how people use “ain’t no nuthin’” and stuff like that, but you’re trying to be fancy-pants if you use irregardless. What the hell do you people think “irregardless” mean?!!

    (to be continued one day or another)

    • jjyank says:

      Considering that my academic and professional careers are both predicated on the proper use of the English language, I support this comment.

    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      Had this discussion once. Irregardless is a word. An informal word, but a word irregardless ;-) Here’s Oxford:

      • Bob Buttons says:

        The problem is there are shorter and simpler ways to say it. A lot of pretentious people use it to make themselves sound smarter and just put down people who are actually right. Usually when you use “irregardless” you are trying to sound official, yet if you actually use it frequently in serious situations you’re probably not the smartest lass or lad around.

        (Then again my grammar is horrible.)

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          Yeah well, if you’re using it to try and sound smart you need to learn more about the English language since it is, after all, informal.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          And hey, at least the dictionaries haven’t caved to “alot” yet.

  8. Pasta says:

    Jeter ss nunez
    Ichiro lf
    Cano 2b
    Youlklis 3b nix
    Rivera 1b
    Hafner dh johnson
    Cervelli stewart c
    Francisco rf
    Gardner cf
    Wait hafner tight back so dan johnson
    Jeter needs a day tweaked ankle nunez
    Wait youlklis strained shoulder now its nunez or nix
    Man thats late 80s danny tartabull ugly yankees. Is this the way to send Mo and Andy out.

    • MannyGeee says:

      I recognize this as English… But Dafuq are you saying?

    • Pasta says:

      What could have been
      Sign napoli hunter ross wiggington
      Granderson / gardner cf
      Napoli c
      Hunter rf
      Hafner/ wiggy dh
      Ross lf
      189 my ass .

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        Wigginton sucks ass and Napoli isn’t a starting catcher.
        Ross wouldn’t come close to what he did at Fenway with a switch to YS.

        • Pasta says:

          Wiggy can back up both 1st and 3rd
          Cody ross is a grinder and would hit well at ys3
          Napoli is a two year stop gap and can play first
          Hunter can rake with good glove

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

            Wiggy can back up both 1st and 3rd – Yes, but horribly. What’s the point?

            Cody Ross – Based on what? At fenway last year: 298/356/565
            Everywhere else: 232/294/390. Career at YS3: 156/152/188

            Napoli hasn’t started more than 69 games at C since 2009 or more than 84 in his career, and he has a hip condition. The Yankees have a starting 1B signed for 4 more years, and you have them signing 2 DH’s. Where and when was he going to play? Napoli, without the hip condition, might have made sense as primary DH (meaning no Hafner, and certainly no Wigginton) and occasional 1B/C. For any other role, he’s a bad fit for the Yankees.

            Hunter – I would have slightly preferred him to Ichiro, but I wouldn’t expect him to come close to last year’s performance. I thought Hunter made some sense for the Yankees, though committing 2 years to him is risky.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I don’t believe Tartabull was a Yankee until ’92 and, no, we’ve explained the differences between this and those teams a thousand times over on here. Pay attention.

      • Pasta says:

        Who remembers the last time the team was torn appart.
        Goosage reggie bucky gone steve kemp, don baylor and roy smalley the begining of the dark times.
        Really bad yankees even ricky henderson could not help us.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          Where have all the commas gone?
          Long time passing
          Where have all the commas gone?
          Long time ago
          Where have all the commas gone?
          Internet posters have picked them every one
          When will they ever learn?
          When will they ever learn?

  9. Pasta says:

    Brian Cashman should be ashamed of this fall off. This team was in the alcs last year.

  10. Pasta says:

    2012 bench
    A jones
    D wise
    New gm please

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      Jones was awful.
      Stewart is likely still the backup, Cervelli is probably no worse than Stewart if he’s still the backup.
      Wise had a whopping 63 PA, and didn’t even start the season on the team.
      Ibanez was a starter.

      Losing Chavez is the only significant difference in the bench.
      There’s plenty of real issues with the Yankees. No need to imagine new issues.

      • Pasta says:

        Ibanez > Hafner
        Jones > franciso/ boesh
        stewart = Cervelli
        Chavez > Nunez
        Nix =nothing special.

        • Cris Pengiucci says:

          Ibanez basically sucked outside of a couple of months and a few timely ABs in October.
          Jones sucked the whole season. Fransisco/Boesch should definitely be better
          I’ll give Chavez and Nix was with the team last year. You’ve got nothing here.

          • Mike HC says:

            I really don’t get this criticism of Ibanez. His OPS in April was .745, May was .946, July .825 and September .802. So the way I see it, he was really only bad for a couple of months, June and August, not the other way around. Plus he was great in the playoffs and extremely clutch.

            • Cool Lester Smooth says:

              OPS isn’t a great stat, because SLG is about half as important as OBP, he was well below average in April, 90 wRC+, because his OBP was so low. He had 2 great months, 1 decent month, 1 bad month and 2 putrid months.

              All while playing terrible defense.

              That said, I was running around my dorm screaming RAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL just as loud as anybody during the playoffs, so it wasn’t a bad signing.

              • Mike HC says:

                I more or less agree with you. And I don’t consider a .745 OPS good, but it is not useless, especially for a bench piece. I just see the criticism that Ibanez was useless for outside of two months and I just don’t think it is accurate.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          Ibanez > Hafner – Maybe. It’s close. Ibanez is more durable and can fake a position. Hafner is less useless vs. lefties. Hafner makes fewer outs and is better overall offensively.
          Not sure how it applies at all to the bench, as both were starters.

          Jones > Boesch/Francisco/whoever – Jones was awful for almost the entire year. It shouldn’t be difficult to find someone to at least match his awfulness.

          Chavez > Nunez. No doubt.

          Like I said, losing Chavez is the only real significant change. And nobody expected Chavez to perform anywhere near the way he did last year. There’s always a chance someone else picked up off the scrap heap can emerge with a surprise performance like Chavez did last year (though I wouldn’t count on it).

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      New pasta, please.

  11. DR says:

    I need to fill 1 spot in the fantasy baseball league I posted a few weeks ago. We had someone suddenly leave, and the draft is on Sunday at 9pm EST, 6 PST. If you want to join and can make the draft for sure, leave your email and I’ll send an invite.

  12. MannyGeee says:

    Confession time… I worried a shit ton more about the Mustelier injury than I should have. I was legit concerned on my drive home.

    Now excuse me, my bleach cocktail appears to be ready.

  13. Robinson Tilapia says:

    So there’s a hostage situation occurring two blocks from me that doesn’t seem to be hitting the news at all yet. Crazy shit going on. Police vehicles the likes of which I’ve never seen.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      Glad I’m not in your neck of the woods tonight. :-)

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Okkkkkayy now… That sure beats the average “begging to be mugged if alone after 11″ hood.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Haven’t been outside in a bit, but someone’s apparently barricaded themselves inside a building. I saw a “hostage negotation truck,” which is a new one. Let’s see what the 11:00 news brings, if anything.

        • Cris Pengiucci says:

          Previews for the CBS 11:00 news has more important things, like a baby being born in a Walmart and Missile Defense (Oh yeah, that one is important, especially for me).

        • Bob Buttons says:

          “Unknown man/woman holds ___ for hostage; negotiation in progress”

          If the fool goes overnight they’d be in even bigger trouble.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Gothamist Newsmap, your source for the best news, has it. Subject already in custody.

            Just a block up from me. Wow.

            • forensic says:

              Hmm, that’s an interesting site. Looks like a somewhat busy evening. Couple of jumpers, couple of floaters, and a couple of barricades…

            • Bob Buttons says:

              Three headlines I see on home page

              “How to avoid St. Paddy’s parade”
              “Teacher gets fired for affair with student”
              “Toddler playing with iphone robbed”

  14. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Wow, this game against Puerto Rico is actually pretty exciting stuff.

  15. It’s hilarious how we’re supposed to believe it’s actually a big loss for the Americans, considering Puerto Rico is an American commonwealth.

  16. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I got a nice laugh out of Chris’s comment in the Bosch thread as to what 1996 RAB would be like. I can guarantee you that a younger, dumber version of me would be making fun of hiring Torre as manager, as well as signing Girardi. History has clearly proven me wrong.

  17. Al says:

    You Americans need to stop making excuses. Exhibition my ass, those guys need to prepare themselves in order to win. Only David Wright cares about the USA, not the rest of the team. Robbie Cano stated that he prepared for the WBC this year, taking BP since January. The PR, DR, Japan, & Netherlands really take this tournament seriously, USA is overrated and didn’t look like they’re having fun.

    If you think I’m trolling, you’re dead wrong. You gringos better step up in 2017. Yeah my team got eliminated but whatever. I’ll watch this classic because I love beisbol. Hasta luego tios!

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      No, you’re trolling.

    • forensic says:

      Heh, my Spanish from 20 years ago tells me that last line is ‘See You Uncles’ while google tells me it’s ‘See You Guys’.

      I think I’m going to side with google on this one. :-)

    • Barry says:

      I didn’t watch 1 inning of one game. Who cares about Robbie taking BP? None of the pitchers are pitching at the same level they would mid-season. It’s not competitive baseball. The worst 25 man team in the MLB could probably win the entire tournament if they wanted to.

      Also, nice touch with the gringo comment, very classy.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        I think Italy could beat the Houston Astros. Soundly. I get what you’re saying though…this competition would be very different if they could find a way to do it during the MLB season.

      • forensic says:

        The worst 25 man team in the MLB could probably win the entire tournament if they wanted to.

        I don’t believe that. The Dominican Republic team could beat many teams in MLB with their offense, and the same could be said of the U.S. team if they were more ready to play at this point in the year. Several of the other teams could also put up quite a fight with their strengths in pitching or even just the element of the unknown in terms of scouting reports and the such.

  18. Dalek Jeter says:

    I doubt this is going to get read but, I’m bored.

    Bob Buttons: Cruz is safe for at least next season, the 1st round tender means no team is going to touch him. He also doesn’t seem the personality to hold out, then again this might be his one chance to make himself, his children, and the next few generations of Cruz’s financially secure…so who knows? I’d love to see him signed long term, upgrades to the defensive backfield, and the linebacking core (then again I’ve been begging for linebacking help since Pierce’s last season)

    Ruby: Welcome. I agree with the general points of your argument. But speaking as a spoiled Yankee fan, who grew up watching the dynasty as a kid, and the very good teams of 2001-2007 as a teenager, it’s very different to go into a season as a contender and not a favorite. Every year I can remember, besides maybe 2008 and last season I went into the season believing the Yankees were among the best 3 or 4 teams in baseball. With out a shadow of a doubt. This season, maybe they’re a top 10?

    Bob (again): I agree, I don’t give a shit what the dictionary says, irregardless is not a word. Typing it or saying it is just like the very definition of being a douche. People, in my experience only say it to sound intelligent and always with a “I’m better than you” tone. As for the lose/loose thing; I take a small exception as a functioning dyslexic. I mean I understand why it pisses you off, I do, but sometimes that second ‘o’ will just disappear on you while your typing and you won’t even notice it. However, again as a functioning dyslexic, I’ve learned to cope with this, and fuck if you don’t have a reading problem there is no reason you shouldn’t know the difference if you’re older than 11.

    As for the Boesch trade: I’m not that huge on it. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, but it just showed to me that the Yankees are more willing to go scrapheap than farm to fill a starting position, even for a month or two. Hopefully Mesa/FHOFRM can make the team off the bench (I like both of them as bench pieces, Mesa for speed, FHOFRM for power). However, while this might fill the OF opening, who’s on first? Or third, if Youk is on first? Because a shot gun is more accurate than Nunez’s arm, I’m not huge on him starting at 3rd, and Nix’s noodle bat against RHP’s makes it hard to insert him in an already weak line up.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Also, dkidd, from the Boesch thread: Boesch Spice is an awesome nickname, I totally approve.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Boesch signing* sorry it’s late and I’m an idiot.

    • forensic says:

      but it just showed to me that the Yankees are more willing to go scrapheap than farm to fill a starting position, even for a month or two

      Sadly, this isn’t exactly breaking news.

      There was a short time this spring that I actually thought they’d go with their younger internal options, even just for a stopgap, but I’ve pretty much stopped believing that again as they seem to be back to moves they prefer for some reason.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        I know, I originally had it “but it just showed proved to me…” I even forgot to get rid of the word ‘to,’ but I felt it came across to strong, because I don’t exactly hate the move. I’m just not too fond of it.

    • Barry says:

      At least Boesch is somewhat young. He’s a good depth piece and could still surprise us.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        If he can be at least his 2010 self for the month or two that he starts, and can maintain that as a bench piece for the rest of the season, it’s probably not the worst signing. If he’s his 2011 self, I’ll eat my words and admit I was wrong. However IMO there’s more of a chance he’s going to be his 2012 self than anything else, in which case, I guess we can live with it for a month or so, but hurry back Grandy!!!

        • Barry says:

          At this point it’s all about choosing the lesser evil, but as far as depth goes, Boesch is pretty good. I agree though if he becomes 2011 Boesch then Cashboy will be the tits again.

        • forensic says:

          I know some people are high on this move, but I just don’t see it. Hopefully I’m wrong because I’m convinced they’re going to be starting him a lot.

          But, he’s basically had 4, maybe 5, good months in a 3 year career. No speed, no defense, no plate discipline, nothing to contribute when he’s not hitting.

          I just don’t see the point, especially on a major league deal.

          • Dalek Jeter says:

            especially on a major league deal That’s honestly the strangest part for me. I mean is Boesch really that much better than what we had on the roster already that we had to sign him to a ML deal? Was there really that many teams interested in him that signing him required that? Honestly, with everything I know about him and who we have in camp, I would’ve looked into him, BUT I probably would have balked at a ML deal. Then again, I don’t get paid to make the big decisions. If I did, I probably would have figured out to spend like…all the Steinbrenner’s money already.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Point 1: Sometimes it really isn’t (directly) about the money, it’s kinda more what OTHER are earning next to you. Either way it doesn’t make him a worser man than you or me if he holds out. I’d love to say I would give up money to play the game I (presumably) love but… I really can’t say that for sure.

      Point 2: I can deal with people being dyslexic or it happening one time or another if you’re an average joe. I mean, it happens, and you just don’t see it. I end up missing a lot of things myself. However, there is a chunk of those people that are definitely not dyslexic and do it quite often. There are many things that the average guy can’t do, but remembering a four-lettered common word should be a piece of cake.

      • Barry says:

        Have to remember that most people don’t read or write ever again once they leave high school. Run on sentences and paragraphs are the most annoying thing to me, I won’t even read them. The little nuances in grammar I can dismiss unless I just want to be a dick.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          Yes but as I’ve mentioned, it’s not the laziness, but adding extra letters for a word that’s not even related by meaning annoys me a lot. I don’t expect people to remember how to spell words like onomatopoeia or utilitarianism. If you can log onto the internet and find internet forums (and presumably knows how to search for a internet forum and/or type letters), I expect you to know the basic words of English (Non-natives get a pass). Of course spelling and stuff just bugs me more because I took linguistics for a time (even though I’m not the greatest at it either).

          • forensic says:

            I love the irony of this comment as it was right after a comment where you used the word ‘worser’. ;-)

            • Bob Buttons says:

              We all misspell things one time or another. I mean, Pokemon’s got the right stance on spelling mistakes.

              GOTTA CATCH’EM ALL!

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        Oh, I’m definitely not going to think less of Cruz for holding out, mostly because of how highly I think of him now as a person. He’s an actual good human being, who happens to be very good at football. Those guys are few and far between, and he deserves to get paid. Hopefully he’s willing to keep his head down and work this season (again) and gets PAYED by somebody next season. Also, it’s really hard to put ourselves in that situation. As a pro athlete you’re in a highly specialized, highly valued field, with a very short work life. As a great pro athlete, there are maybe a handful of people in the world who can do what you do as well as you do or better, so from a personal standpoint I can see wanting to be paid as your peers do.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          I don’t really care much about how much a player earns, but how hard they try despite financial security. If they pay you a healthy sum I expect efforts. So pretty much I wouldn’t think less of him unless he starts to slack off after getting financial security.

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      I’m hoping the 49ers sign Cruz. They have 14 picks, including the first of the second round. Are they really going to get anyone better than Cruz with the 31st overall draft pick? No.

      Of course, I’m an asshole Eagles fan, so what do I know.

  19. mt says:

    Boesch intrigues me – he has good numbers in YS3 (very small sample) and will be only 28 in April – a very strange animal for Yankees acually – someone Yankees acquired fom another team that is less than 30 years old.

    Could he be like a Swisher who had a horrible year in 2008 before we acquired him? (Swisher at least had OBP skills and Boesch does not so comparison is not totally valid but at least Boesch is someone relatively young who had some prior success in major leagues.)

    If nothing else, I cannot find numbers but I remember several big hits against CC in Boesch’s career. At least Red Sox or someone else
    in division did not sign him.

    Also he has an option left and is first Yankee outfielder with any significant type of major league experience that we have control of in 2015/2016.

    • mt says:

      Typo: he is last year of arb eligibility in 2015 – he is a free agent for 2016.

      Alsoone other fact: he can be lefty DH insurance for injury prone Hafner (especially since Dan Johnson has looked so dreadful at plate)

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