Open Thread: 3/24 Camp Notes

(AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

(AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

The Yankees walked off with a win over the Rays this afternoon thanks to a Ronnie Mustelier solo homer in the tenth inning. Kevin Youkilis hit not one, but two homers while Travis Hafner went deep once. Eduardo Nunez had a pair of knocks, including a triple. The Yankees struck out just once as a team (Youkilis) while drawing four walks.

As has been the case for most of camp, the team’s defense was laughable. They were only charged with one error, but Youkilis booted two balls and short-hopped a throw to first base. There was also a poorly timed dive in the outfield (Ben Francisco). The defensive miscues contributed to the five runs (one earned) allowed by Adam Warren in 3.2 innings. Vidal Nuno, who is competing for a bullpen spot in the wake of Clay Rapada‘s injury, allowed all three men he faced to reach base (walk and two singles). Two of the three were lefties. David Aardsma allowed a run in an inning for work, blowing the save in the ninth. Mariano Rivera allowed two singles in a scoreless inning. Here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Tampa…

  • The Yankees will give Robinson Cano a few days off just to recharge his batteries, so to speak. He’s healthy, but he played (and traveled) a whole bunch during the World Baseball Classic, so he’ll get a few days of rest. [Jon Heyman]
  • Slade Heathcott ran the bases for a second straight day on Sunday. He’s been dealing with patellar tendinitis — in English: an achy knee — and there was no timetable for his return at the time of the injury. So yeah, good news. [Josh Norris & Donnie Collins]
  • Infielders Addison Maruszak, Jose Pirela, and Walt Ibarra was all reassigned to minor league camp. I didn’t even realize they were still with the big league team. The Yankees are down to 43 players in camp, unofficially. [Chad Jennings]

Here’s your open thread for the night. The Rangers, Islanders, and Nets are all playing, plus MLB Network will air a Spring Training game as well. Looks like Orioles-Pirates for most viewers. You folks know how these things work by now, so have at it.


  1. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So Vernon Wells and Yuneski Betancourt might actually improve this team. At this point you’re only trolling if you think the team is NOT just another garden variety AL team. They’re pretty bad right now.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      I may feel sick in my stomach right now thanks to today’s news but you are certainly the one who’s trolling.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        How so? I’m evaluating my favorite team with an objective eye? What all of the sudden Teixeira and Granderson will come back from injuries and be full strength all season? Just like Brett Gardner last season? Or CC Sabathia? I mean yeah they might come back full strength, but injuries are tricky, both Teixiera and Granderson are on the wrong side of 30 and thus they don’t heal up like they used to. And not to mention that both players are pretty overrated. Granderson’s .319 OBP and overrated CF defense or Mark Teixeira’s .345 wOBA (compared to Swisher’s .363) which was good for 14th amongst MLB first basemen aren’t going to take them from a team of Robinson Cano and a bunch of shit to a playoff contender.

        And oh yeah Sabathia went to the DL twice last season too. At this point the glass is half empty.

        • Alkaline says:

          So what makes you the one with the objective eye? Besides your own opinion, of course…

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            So you think a weak defender in CF with a .320 OBP and an average first basemen are the missing pieces?

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              The .319 OBP is his worst since 2005. What’s to say he can’t be around his career OBP of .341?

            • Alkaline says:

              I wasn’t aware I said that.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

              They’re much better than the crap they’ll be running out there in their absence. They might wall fall too far behind before their return for them to be enough to make up the difference, but they certainly give the team a much better chance.

              Also, Tex was an above average 1B overall last year, though who knows what he’ll be when/if he returns this season.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          1) There are plenty of players who come back from injuries and performs quite well. The extra rest may or may not actually help them, with them on the wrong side of 30.

          2) Gardner? SSS much?

          3) .319 OBP isn’t that bad, if you factor in his power, and compare it to the average slap-hitter CF. Rays and Jays would kill for a guy like Granderson in their CF. Teixeira while overrated, still is a good player. You could do much worse than an above-average 1B with great defense.

          4) Sabathia getting injured last season does not necessarily mean he’d get DL’d this season. While an injury-prone player wouldn’t suddenly become Mr. Durability (here’s looking at you DiPietro. Good thing I don’t support NYI), Sabathia by no means is injury prone.

          It’s being said before and I’ll repeat it. Your view is by no means objective. You rely on your take of the players and how the average player progress through their careers, and you also value the stats “good” or “bad” in your opinion.

    • jjyank says:

      I wasn’t aware that trolling could be positive.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Tell an Arizona Cardinals fan “Hey I heard Warner might come back! No…seriously!!!!” After they get excited say “Nahhh just messin” you’ll see how it works.

        • jjyank says:

          Terrible, terrible analogy. You implied that I would be trolling to say that “team is NOT just another garden variety AL team” would be trolling. And that’s utter bullshit, because that’s not trolling.

    • viridiana says:

      If they pay any more than $2 mil per yr for Wells, they also lay claim to title of dumbest team. Amazing that this is the best Cashman could do. And amazing how far they’ll go to keep their own homegrown players off the team. When Rivera or Francisco have a good day, they’re counted in. What does Mustelier have to do?.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        If they pay Wells 2/8 but didn’t even try to re-sign Swisher that’s the perfect example of pennywise pound-foolish.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      Who said Betancourt would be an improvement?

  2. Bob Buttons says:

    As the day developed I’m starting to feel physically sick.

    Bravo, Yanks.

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      If they are even .500 heading into June, it will be a great accomplishment.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        I’m thinking they’re probably an 85-87 win team. And that’s if Granderson and Teixeira are only out until May-ish.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          All your bellyaching and you have them at about what I think their baseline for wins will be. Unbelievable.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            And you think that’s a good thing? I mean they’re a garden variety AL team…probably a bit better than .500 with a little luck maybe a playoff contender, although conversely with a little bad luck they’re last year’s Red Sox. Considering the age of the team I’m guessing the injury propensity might be a bit higher than usual.

            • Alkaline says:

              So in other words, they may be a good team or they may be a bad team? Aren’t the majority of teams like that?

              I’m curious. Where did you think they would finish last year?

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                Last year? I liked them quite a bit. Of course I thought Kuroda would be a lot worse (he was the team’s best pitcher, I merely thought he’d be good), Pineda would be awesome, A-Rod would be good, and other things but I thought they were the odds of AL East favorite. And yeah most teams are like that…which is what I’m saying. The Yankees are no longer a favorite, they’re garden variety.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Which is why bellyached and trolled throughout the season. Weak fucking game and same tired shit going into 2013. Switch to LoHud. You can even tell them how much smarter and better they are.

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    I started bitching when…

                    1.) Pineda went to the DL

                    2.) Rivera got hurt

                    I wasn’t doom and gloom during the playoffs. I was pretty okay with whatever happend to them during then.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Did I say it was good?

              It’ll be good if two seasons from now, they’re on their way to a solid foundation that’s post-”Core Four” and Alex.

              85-87 at baseline? Yeah, that’s how I feel. As the season progresses, and players either over or underperform, changes are made, etc., that number either goes up or down. Obviously, 87 wins won’t get them the WC (at least I think it won’t), so some things are going to have to go better than I think.

  3. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Betancourt, Stewart, Wells and Rivera potentially in the same lineup. Who in their right mind is gonna bother pitching to Cano? He better be prepared to take a bunch of walks this year.

  4. forensic says:

    So, I just got here for the first time today. Please tell me the talk of the Yankees acquiring the two worst players in baseball in some sort of sick joke that I missed. Please!!! Is my calendar off? It doesn’t say April 1st yet.

  5. Jimmy McNulty says:

    How do major league teams deal with Tendonitis too by the way? I mean I’ve had it a few times and it seems like there’s no consensus on what works and what doesn’t, ask ten doctors and likely you get ten different answers. I’ve found hot/cold therapy to be pretty helpful, but that’s just me. I’m curious what the best sports injury professionals use to fix it. I suppose there’s a lot of different causes too: poor circulation, overuse, improper use, etc. and the treatment depends on the cause.

  6. crashman says:

    I heard that we really wanted Willie Blomquist instead of Betancourt. That would be have been a major upgrade.
    Also, word is that we’ll sign Valverde to replace the bullpen lost in the trade to the Angels for Wells.

  7. Nice Guy Eddie says:

    Don’t forget, they won 100 games in ’04 with a pitching staff that had Vasquez, Lieber, Kevin Brown, A 38 year old El Duque, and Contreras…and that is all I have to say about that season

  8. Barry says:

    Maybe Austin’s 249/312/453 ZIPS projection may actually come to fruition this year.

  9. Lord Steven Regal says:

    So it Heathcott and Nuno for Wells? Seems fair enough to me. Those guys aren’t sure things in the majors. At least Wells has hit major league pitching.

  10. Get Phelps Up says:

    I’m really ready for the season to start.

  11. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Vernon Wells and Pronk, almost as good as Danny Tartabull and Mel Hall. Really excited for this year. Cashman should stop banging crazy British broads, jumping out of airplanes, Tending bar in bad bandanas, rappelling down the sides of building, and getting divorced. He should try something really extreme like doing his fucking job! 25000 empty seats by July; the great cleansing has begun. Lets hope numbnuts doesn’t trade away the few chips we have left. Still waiting for Andrew Brackman growth chart day!

    • Barry says:

      At this point I think he’s trying to get fired so he can go GM some place like Pitt or KC or Houston and be treated like a hero.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Thus continuing to prove my theory that anything referencing Horace Clarke and/or Celerino Sanchez is never worth reading.

  12. Robinson Tilapia says:

    So let’s have fun…

    MBW and I started to have this conversation deep in the OMGZ VERNON WELLS thread, and I think it’s worth a bigger audience.

    I said that the hypothetical/pleasedeargodno/fake Slade/Nuno for Wells scenario would be straight out of the Papa George playbook.

    MBW thought I was exaggerating.

    MBW, while a fine gentleman, is someone I sometimes disagree with on baseball. That’s OK. I disagree with him here as well.

    Which one of these is actually worse?

    Slade/Wells (hypothetical)

    I’m curious as to what people think. While I think Slade for Wells would be just crazy fucking stupid, I actually think Buhner/Phelps was much worse, for various reasons, with the fact that the Yanks got a season’s worth of a live Rick Rhoden on the mound probably putting that trade a notch below.

    • jjyank says:

      I was actually going to comment my agreement in that thread, but I stopped myself because I was not around (well I was, just in diapers) for those trades. Didn’t feel I had enough perspective to convey a real opinion. I could see the parallels though, from where I stand.

    • Barry says:

      Slade/Wells is so terrible because of what it would mean the Yankees are valuing their own top prospects at. If Slade is only worth Wells, then what are Sanchez/Austin/Williams worth? It would be like trading Montero for Figgins in my book.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        Don’t give them any ideas.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        You’re assuming that there’s a shred of reality to this, though, which there isn’t, unless you’re saying “if they really thought that of him, what would they think of the others.”

        • Barry says:

          Yeah, I definitely don’t think that Slade will be part of any package. IMO taking 10mm is enough of a package. I’m saying that “if true, then what.” For the record I would be flabbergasted if they traded Slade for WW(Worthless Wells.)

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Without benefit of hindsight I’d actually say Slade for Wells is worse. Not because I think Slade is a better prospect at this point that Buhner (not gonna argue for who’s the better prospect, not central to my point), but for how Wells has been on the downslope for years now and he’s damn expensive (MLBTR says Yanks pay 5mil a year at this point). Phelps actually seemed like he might have a few more okay years left. I mean, his stats for 86-88 while on SEA is better than Buhner’s career stats. Plus, in retrospective, from a hitting-only standpoint, Phelps’ 132 OPS+ certainly is better than Buhner’s 124.

      Though I get it if you think Buhner trade was bad. The guy did hit 30 homers at AAA and not a guy who loves running into walls.

      • Barry says:

        I’d be crazy to say I really remember a lot about Buhner but he did rake for quite a while.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Here’s how I see it:

        Buhner had already seen limited action with the Yanks. Slade is about to see his first full season in AA.

        Both Wells and Phelps were part-time players at the point of the trade, but Phelps only played 120 games in a season once in his entire career.

        Phelps was gone by the middle of the next season, playing all of about 130 games for the Yankees.

        When you look at the Yankee outfield the years after this, and the moves they wound up making (Leiter/Barfield, for example, and I’m a Jesse Barfield fan for sure), keeping a guy like Buhner would have made a big difference, potentially, while dealing Slade is almost dealing from a position of strength.

        I’m not condoning the non-possibility in the least but, to me, the non-trade and trade are pretty comparable, with the one that actually happened being less.

        Yanks got two average seasons out of Rhoden, but Drabek sure would have given some of those Chuck Cary All-Star teams at least a slightly better chance. A notch below.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      They’re on the hook for 2/13 for Vernon Wells and Ichiro the same thing. They’re paying Ichiro and Vernon Wells 13M a year between the two of them, but Swisher was just too expensive. That’s fucking stupid. There’s no such thing as “too much” hand ringing over this.

      • Nice Guy Eddie says:

        Wells wasn’t a part of the original plan…

      • pablos mcnumbnuts samwich says:

        They’re on the hook for 2/13 for Vernon Wells and Ichiro the same thing. They’re paying Ichiro and Vernon Wells 13M a year between the two of them, but Swisher was just too expensive. That’s fucking stupid. There’s no such thing as “too much” handjobs over this.

  13. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    They’re picking up $13M of Vernon Wells????
    1/$2M is probably about fair market value if Wells was a free agent.
    $13M for Vernon fucking Wells??? And they didn’t have money to upgrade over Stewvelli or Rivera?????

    Desperate times call for dumb moves, apparently.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      One of the first solid points that’s not complete hyperbole I’ve heard thus far.

      The sad thing is that there’s not even really a need for desperation. There’s players with this franchise right now who could approximate Wells’s production.

      I don’t get it.

  14. long ron daniels says:

    when I first heard about the wells deal, I accidentally made warm stool in my panties. I was so angry, that I didn’t start to clean up for about 25-30 mins. now, about an hour later, my bum bum and upper-rear thighs are almost fully fresh again. but I’m just going to throw my panties away, because they are disgusting.

    thank you brian cashman.

  15. Craig says:

    To me, this Wells trade screams “panic” by Hal. This is pretty much an apt summary of what was going on:

  16. Pasta says:

    Yanks interested in lyle overbay too.
    Overbay/rivera platoon coming soon.

  17. Bob Buttons says:

    This edition of “People who Bob thinks are horrible and should go straight to hell and burn for all eternity and/or receive death sentences because they’d never get ‘rehabilitated’ and he might be right too for a guy who don’t see much bad stuff”


    A couple of Canadians basically locked this guy up for two weeks, fed him crap and urine, and frequently burned this guy. Also tortured him enough to surrender his atm and credit card, steals all his money and buys electronics and munchies (yes, munchies, because they also bought drugs). They often poured pepper into the bath when he tried to wash his wounds.

    “When the victim was discovered by police he had facial fractures, disfiguring injuries and a gaping head wound. One of the first officers on scene thought he was dead.”

    The couple are facing 13 and 10 yrs in jail, unfortunately seeking to get it reduced. They actually might, since the prosecution asked for about half of that. Fucking disgusting sub-human scum. They should at least get charged for attempted manslaughter (don’t know if that exists), forced confinement, torture, assault, aggravated assault, assault with battery, conspiracy, blackmail, theft, etc. Fucking piece of crap Canadian justice system!

    Oh, did I mention that their victim is a mild-mannered disabled person who went into his confinement believing that he was needed to help look for a lost item?

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