Mar
03

Open Thread: 3/3 Camp Notes

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(AP Photo/David Goldman)

(AP Photo/David Goldman)

The Yankees beat the Red Sox for their second straight Grapefruit League win on Sunday afternoon. Adam Warren allowed a solo homer to Mike Napoli but otherwise threw three very good innings. Jose Ramirez followed with three shutout innings of his own. Brett Gardner and Eduardo Nunez both singled, and a lot of New York’s runs came thanks to Boston errors. Thomas Neal hit an opposite field solo homer while both Tyler Austin and J.R. Murphy laced doubles. Solid game by the second stringers. Here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Tampa…

  • Ichiro Suzuki is fine following a three-car accident yesterday. He was driving through an intersection when a car going in the opposite direction turned left in front of him. Ichiro‘s car was totaled and the Yankees are sending him to the doctor as a precaution, but apparently no one involved in accident was hurt. [George King & Bryan Hoch]
  • Andy Pettitte (two innings) and Mariano Rivera (one inning) both threw simulated games this morning. Both went well and both guys feel great. Rivera said he’s ready to pitch in a game but will let Joe Girardi made the decision about when that actually happens. [Chad Jennings & Hoch]
  • Phil Hughes played catch on flat ground, his first time picking up a baseball since a bulging disk sidelined him a little less than two weeks ago. He felt fine and has no pain. Boone Logan said he’s had a “little annoying thing” in his elbow for a while — he did say it wasn’t pain, for what it’s worth — and expects to be back on the mound in the middle of next week. [Sweeny Murti & Jennings]
  • CC Sabathia, Joba Chamberlain, and David Robertson were the projected big leaguers to throw bullpen sessions today. Borderline big leaguer Cody Eppley, who could make the team if Logan’s elbow keeps barking, also threw. [Jennings]
  • Unsurprisingly, Girardi said the Yankees are likely to bring Curtis Granderson back from his injury as a center fielder. “I’m not 100% sure, but that’s what we’ve talked about,” said the skipper. Their top priority will getting Granderson’s bat back into the lineup as soon as possible, not saving a handful of runs the rest of the season. [Dan Barbarisi & Murti]
  • First baseman Greg Bird has been reassigned to minor league camp. The Yankees still have 73 players in big league camp, but that will number will continue to be whittled down in the coming weeks. [Jennings]
  • Robinson Cano, Mark Teixeira, and bench coach Tony Pena all left for the World Baseball Classic today. Pena is managing Cano and the Dominican Republic team, and they’ll hold a workout at George M. Steinbrenner Field tomorrow. [Hoch]
  • The Yankees, meanwhile, are off on Monday. It’s their first off-day of Spring Training. Their next game is against the Braves on Tuesday night, their first night contest of the year. David Phelps will start and the game will be available on YES.

Here is your open thread for the evening. The Rangers are playing plus MLB Network will air baseball all night, first Spring Training games then the World Baseball Classic. Talk about any of that and more here. Have at it.

  • Slu

    I would have figured the injury would be a good reason to make the move to left for Grandy.

    • Havok9120

      How so? His rehab stint almost certainly wouldn’t be long enough to get him used to the position. It’s unlikely even to blow the rust off that can’t get blown off during ST, and they’ll probably need his bat back in the lineup ASAP.

      • Jerkface

        Why does he need to get used to the position? Its an OF position, he has played it before. The Yankees had no trouble moving Ichiro to LF for 35 games in 2012, the first time he ever played there in the majors.

        • Havok9120

          Whether we agree with the logic or not, the idea that a player needs at least some time to adjust to a positional change, even from OF spot to OF spot, seems to be the prevailing idea throughout the game. This seems to go double for the Yanks, given the amount of time they’ve spent talking about the adjustment period and the possible problems (both offensive and defensive) which could result from said adjustment.

          • Jerkface

            But in practice this doesn’t appear to be the case. Gardner, Melky, Damon, Ichiro, all moved positions with ease. Shit I don’t even want to go look at outfielders on other teams. I reckon it happens all the time.

            It seems, to me, that the Yankees are the only team making a huge deal out of it.

          • Jerkface

            Where it makes sense that you need an adjustment period or actual time to play the position is moving to non-like positions. An Infielder moving to the OF and vice versa. Moving to a position with a specific skillset (1B / Catcher).

            What about LF is so dang scary that a guy who plays the harder defensive position can’t move there? And why did this scare not apply to Ichiro/Gardner/Melky?

            • Mike HC

              I agree with you and was going to make a similar comment but I think the biggest difference is how much the Yanks are counting on Granderson’s bat. With Ichiro/Gardner/Melky, most of their value was tied in with their defense and weren’t worried as much about an offensive drop off. I still think the Yanks are better off making the switch though, especially if Gardner is ripping it up in center while Granderson is out.

            • toad

              +1

              Come on. It can’t be that hard.

              To the degree the issue is the peculiarities of the stadium and the fences and so on, spring training isn’t going to help anyway.

              • Havok9120

                Well…actually it would since it’s the same dimensions. But I agree with the larger point being made.

            • Havok9120

              There is a belief among players and managers that it affects offensive performance. We hear about that aspect of it all the time, and they were and are counting a lot on Granderson’s bat. If their case is “it makes him all-around more comfortable and we need him comfortable,” then there’s not a lot more to be said on the issue even if we think whatever trade off there is would be worth it (I do).

              It doesn’t need to be logical to have a negative impact. If we didn’t already know that from watching Yankee headcases over the years most anyone who’s played almost any sport for awhile would be able to see it.

        • Bergeneddi

          I agree 100%. I believe this is Girardi worrying more abt loyalty to his veterans than loyalty to the people paying his salry(the fans). I wouldn’t worry too much abt Grandy’s HR’s especially when 3/4 of them are early-inning solo shots(can we talk more abt meaningful stats like BA with RISP, game-winning RBI’s, walk-off hits instead of these meaningless sabermetrics stats whose main purpose is to enhance the value of the acctng dept?)
          I must say, I’m not a fan of Girardi(a protege of “clueless Joe” but not nearly as lucky).
          Let’s get Gardner, Ichiro, Nunez and Mesa moving on the bases(and bunting). Let’s get Teixeira going the other way with the outside pitch(he used to have this ability) and put the best defense in the right positions and we’ll win.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            “(can we talk more abt meaningful stats like BA with RISP, game-winning RBI’s, walk-off hits instead of these meaningless sabermetrics stats whose main purpose is to enhance the value of the acctng dept?)”

            Not sure if serious and, if so, I fear for humanity.

            *checks sarcasm meter*

      • Slu

        I figured if Gardner plays well in center and is hitting well, it turns into an “If it ain’t broke…” situation.

        • Havok9120

          Even then, I think they’d still be counting more on Granderson’s offense after he comes back than they would be on Gardner’s tear continuing. They’ll almost certainly need the power.

        • vicki

          also, the manager keeps putting him in left.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        Seems like the only significant adjustment would be to get used to the balls coming off the bats at a different angle. If the Yankees are that worried about that adjustment, couldn’t they just have Curtis stand out in LF during batting practice for the next several weeks to get used to the angle?

        • DF

          They could. And the angle in left is a million times easier than center. The ball hit to dead center is impossible to read sometimes. Left is much easier. This seems like an extremely risk-averse position by the Yankees.

  • Havok9120

    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*
    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*
    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*
    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*
    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*
    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*

    …..

    Let’s go Red Sox let’s go! *clap clap*

    What in the name of all that is holy were those kids ON? They kept that chant up for 3 or 4 innings for God’s sake. And the parents/chaperones? I assume they came equipped with ear plugs. Either that or their eardrums had already worn away by the the end of the 7th inning and so they no longer cared.

    • MannyGeee

      kids are funny like that. they have incredible motors for all things obnoxious and annoying.

    • vicki

      i drink a beer an inning, and the middle/late innings at steinbrenner field are the absolute worst place i’ve ever been. last year they let this LOUD shortbus kid clapclap-clapclapclap forEVER. awful. never again.

  • Guns

    Am I the only one who has a bad feeling about Logan? I think he’s gonna be a non factor this year; either back and forth on the DL or out for a big chunk of time with that elbow. Just a gut feeling. Not a huge loss anyway. Just thinking out loud.

    • MannyGeee

      if this is true, then it will be a shame that they didnt make a move to trade him.

      • trr

        who knew?

  • Guns

    Am I the only one who has a bad feeling about Logan? I think he’s gonna be a non factor this year; either back and forth on the DL or out for a big chunk of time with that elbow. Just a gut feeling. Not a huge loss anyway. Just thinking out loud.

    • Laz

      I been feeling he is going to fall apart just because of the workload. I think they will be fine with it, because they have tons of loogy on the roster.

    • Barry

      Don’t be so hard on Logan he has been a pretty solid force out of the pen the last few years. He’s a luxury you don’t realize you miss until he is gone. Go back and look at the plethora of terrible lefties they’ve had in the past.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Possible. Don’t discount the potential loss. It wasn’t 80 All-Star innings last season, but it would be 80 innings someone else would have to pitch this season.

      Get well, Boone.

      • Mike HC

        It was 55 innings, 80 appearances. 3.75 era and 1.37 whip. I’m in the camp where it is hardly a loss although it is always nice to have an extra arm around.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Whoops.

          Doesn’t change my opinion, but thanks for the clarification.

        • vicki

          what you said. and though i like his soap-opera name, he’s pretty easily replaced.

          we all wanted him to be a thing because we didn’t want to be raped by the javy deal.

          angst over boone? really?

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Anyone else pumped for the NY Red Bulls season opening match?

    • Barry

      Who?

    • MannyGeee

      great match so far, albeit Portland handing them the first half with shoddy defense in their back third…

      #onlyassholescallit’soccer’

    • vicki

      nerd.

  • Laz

    This mobile site keep popping up is kinda annoying.

  • Will

    Two things:

    Tyler Austin’s hitting approach is very similar to Paul Konerko. I’m very excited to watch him progress further this year.

    Jose Ramirez looks like he could impact the starting rotation next year if he’s healthy.

    • Barry

      A Konerko-esque bat playing a solid corner outfield cost controlled would be amazing. Especially because Konerko’s WAR gets killed by his position, if Austin came close to Konerko with the bat he’d be a shining light for the Yankee’s farm system.

  • Tom from England

    Excited about some of the youngsters and glad to see some doing well in Spring Training. If Yank fans could stand some rebuilding…

    • MannyGeee

      from your mouth to god’s ears

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    • Barry

      I’m in, love Yahoo fantasy. Been using it since like 2003

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You just joined an anal RAB VIM league.

        #notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat

        • Barry

          Ill have fun with it, wish there was money involved. Why don’t you join to make it a crazy party?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I swore off fantasy sports after having to deal with leagues in which members who literally drafted according to who had the prettier name finished higher than me.

            I also would take that stuff way too seriously, which is why I always bow out.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      I am so down

    • Get Phelps Up

      Wow, I’d love to do it…but I can’t do it at that time unfortunately…change it to earlier than 2pm EST (or 8pm on a different day) and I’m in.

    • vicki

      marry me.

  • Barry

    I don’t see the sense in putting Granderson in CF when Gardy will be there for 6 weeks of the season already. The Yankees need to save as many runs as possible in as many places as possible if they’re going to be competitive this year.

  • http://Www.redicecreations.com Radar

    Melky Mesa staying in camp will take innings away from his competitors. Good move.

    I gave the Boston announcers a shot to beat the Flash And Bob blues. 2.2 innings. Those guys were gross.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Good to hear Ichiro is OK. I skimmed through the accident report and it sounded much worse. I had some family years back involved in a major accident in the Tampa area which left the other driver dead, and my uncle has never recovered all his faculties. Thankfully, it wasn’t anywhere near that when I read it over a second time.

    From looking over the box score and reading reports, really nice game today. Can’t help but be encouraged by what we continue to see out of some of the young guys. Would be nice to see Warren surprise us all and Ramirez finally develop into who many thought he would be. Continued good work by Austin and Murphy is just gravy.

    • Barry

      Ichiro got lucky, that’s for sure. Anyone who gets into a car accident and walks away unscathed is lucky.

      Warren would be an excellent bonus. As we know we can never have enough quality pitching.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        When I was 18, I went head-first into a median wall on I-95 in Ft. Lauderdale going about 65 MPH. Neither me or the three friends I was with had our seatbelts on. We all walked away with minor scratches. I still can’t explain how in the hell that happened.

        Yes, I wear my seatbelt all the time now. I’m even wearing now, and I’m not even in the car.

        • MannyGeee

          also, the same thoery on how he uses condoms…

          thank you, i’ll be here all week.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Well, you never know…

            Actually, I do know. I’m the married father of a toddler. I know full well.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            …and so do you.

        • Barry

          I flipped my car a couple times and rammed a tree, splitting car in half last year. Broken hip and some minor breaks in the back.. Wasn’t wearing seatbelt. Very lucky. Life altering really.

        • vicki

          listen. you’re talking real stuff. so nobody should make a joke about asian drivers.

  • Dalek Jeter

    So not baseball related, but kind of Earth-shattering awesome good news: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03......html?_r=0

    • Barry

      Wow that’s really great. So horrible that there are children born with something so terrible and to have to face life with that burden. Step in the right direction.

  • Rhanebaeux Dix

    it really looks like adam warren’s tendon is about to pop out of his arm in that picture.

  • mt

    Whether we like it or not the Grandy news is absolutely not surprising – the timing of this injury, which was the best possible in terms of an on-field spring training injury leading to minimal time missed during the regular season, however, is the absolute worst unfortunately in terms of this proposed defensive switch – if Yanks say they were going to test this approach out over 40 days during spring training with Grandy in LF and Gardner in CF to see if it works defensivley and whether it affected Grandy’s offensee, why would they now just move to that switch with no preparationas as he is comiong back cold in middle of season?

    To add to this, Grandy has said he prefers to go back to CF but would do it if asked that’s nice but he could have just said I have no preference so there’s that. Also isn’t LF in Yankee Stadium is supposed to be a little tricky?

    Comparisons to players in situations in past like Gardner, up and coming Melky, declining Damon, declining Ichiro, etc. are not relevant – Grandy’s major value, especially to the 2013 Yankees who have lost so many HRs through attrition and injury, is to have his power bat back ASAP. Did any of those other players make the switch with no spring training at-bats, never mind in the field, at all?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yeah. Agreed.

      Would still like to see the switch, but this is one of those topics that, while I agree with the majority, I never can really get too worked up over.

    • Jerkface

      Ichiro jumped to LF with no prior experience in the middle of a pennant race. I think Grandy could make the jump while rehabbing.

  • John C

    Nice win yesterday, but Knicks aggravated me a little too with that 4th quarter meltdown. Had Heat on the ropes again, and coulkd have sent them a true message that those 2 early season wins over them were no fluke, but couldn’t close the deal.LeBron delivered when he had to, Melo did not.

    • mt

      Agreed but also can’t ignore weaknesses in Felton and Smith.

      I like Melo but he is not in Lebron’s class – it wasn’t just Lebron’s scoring – it was his assisting, rebounding, stealing and blocking (even though the overhead camera showed he had his right hand on Chandler’s shoulder on that one block and it should have been a foul) – in addition he shoots at a ridiculous percentage – when has Melo affected a game like that on something other than scoring (although he did have a couple of nice passes to Amare).

      Lebron is in a different league than Melo – I think Durant can affect other non-scoring areas (moreso rebounding and sometimes passing) like Lebron but he also is not quite in a focused, motivated Lebron’s class in all aspects of game.