Mar
28

Thoughts on a random Thursday

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The Yankees will play their final Grapefruit League game this afternoon, then it’s off to Washington and West Point for a pair of exhibition games before the season begins on Monday. I think it’s safe to say this will be a Spring Training to forget.

1. The Yankees are putting left-hander Francisco Rondon in the Double-A rotation this year according to Josh Norris, and I’m not sure that’s a good idea. I was impressed by Rondon in camp quite a bit, but he’s a two-pitch guy (fastball, slider) with command issues and an injury history. He’s also going to turn 25 in about three weeks and hasn’t started a game since 2009. The choices are a) start in Double-A and maybe help in 2014, or b) relieve in Triple-A and possible help by June. It’s a relief profile and while there’s definitely some merit to using him as a starter just to accumulate innings, they shouldn’t have him repeat a level just to get those innings. Stick Rondon in the pen and let him blow people away from the left side.

2. This goes without saying, but the Yankees need an awful lot out of Kevin Youkilis this year. Robinson Cano isn’t going to get a damn thing to hit this summer and someone has to make the other team pay. There’s nothing Youkilis could realistic do to force teams to pitch to Robbie, but he needs to capitalize on any opportunities he gets. Hopefully the strong spring — perhaps a result of his swing changes — carries over into the regular season, but I’m skeptical given his steady decline these last few years. There’s a lot riding on a Youkilis bounceback right now.

3. While on the subject of Youkilis, it blows my mind that the Yankees knew about Alex Rodriguez‘s hip injury in December, signing the injury-prone Youkilis to replace him, and didn’t bringing in anyone better than Dan Johnson (!) as third base depth. Thanks to release of David Adams, their third base depth is Jayson Nix and two guys who really can’t play the position (Corban Joseph and Ronnie Mustelier). Add in Derek Jeter‘s ankle injury and the Yankees absolutely had to do better than Gil freaking Velazquez as veteran infield depth. The passive offseason looks even worse now thanks to all the injuries.

4. I think it’s becoming pretty apparent the Yankees completely screwed the pooch with the way they went about preparing for the reduced payroll in 2014. They limited themselves to one-year deals and have a ton of money coming off the books this winter and that’s great, but they’re also going to have a ton of holes to fill and will be at the whim of the market. They really should have been more open to multi-year contracts this past offseason to get cost certainty going into 2014 rather than essentially procrastinating and worrying about it later. This whole thing is completely asinine. What a self-imposed, franchise-undermining nightmare.

Categories : Musings
  • crawdaddie

    I take it you don’t think much of Hal, Levine and Trost then?

    • lightSABR

      I remember reading the Times piece on Hal a couple of weeks ago. They asked him whether all the criticism this offseason bothers him. He said, basically, “Yes, a little, but I have to do what’s best for my family, the organization, and my partners.”

      Notice who’s missing? How about the players and the fans? Or maybe simple love of baseball? Hal thinks he’s running a private equity fund, not a baseball team.

      • TomH

        Apropos the NYT interview with Hal and your remark on it: it’s the kind of comment that makes one doubt Hal. Doubt what? Well, for someone who is supposed to be providing encouragement to his team’s fans, it’s a staggeringly unintelligent remark. I can’t imagine it being made by Col. Jake, Topping & Webb, or the Boss. I can, though, hearing it come out of the mouth of a CBS executive, ca. Spring Trainings of the late 1960s.

        Compare it to Girardi’s interview with Kay (now on YES video). You’ve got to give it to old Joe: never ever show doubt. We’re goin’ for the World Series!

        Of the two faces to show the public, I prefer, by far, that of the Happy Jack.

        • MannyGeee

          I need to go back and check the “Trollers Guide to the Galaxy” handbook, but if I am not mistaken the statement “I can’t imagine it being made by Col. Jake, Topping & Webb, or the Boss.” classifies as “Abstract Grave Rolling”…

          Can I get a ruling on this?

          • Jim Is Bored

            Can you send me a copy of that handbook?

          • TomH

            Ahh, you’re from the digital watch generation. Nothing exists but the immediate NOW.

            Be careful: no “abstractions” = no thought.

            • Jim Is Bored

              Look out Manny, you pissed off Tom

            • MannyGeee

              Does this leave you from the sun-dial Generation, where nothing is OK now and everything (like commenting on state of the union, which kicked this whole shit storm off) was done better in the “good old days”?

              End of the day, i neither agree nor disagree with him. Just stating that “all these old guys did it better” is a Grave Rolling-adjacent way to state that Girardi’s answer was better than Hal’s to the same question…

              But nah, roll with the “You’re a sheep!!!” narrative you’re working on there, cheif.

          • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

            Considering this post actually contains a well thought out opinion held by the particular poster (despite it being an opinion you may disagree with) in lieu of “OMG George would be rolling in his grave!!11!,” my meaningless internet ruling is to find this post not-guilty of the count of misdemeanor Abstract Grave Rolling. I instead find you guilty of one count of misdeamenor False Accusation of Trolling. Court is adjourned.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I disagree. Any comment referring to grave-rolling in anyway, with no proof, and clearly meant to antagonize, is itself a troll comment. We have a split jury.

              • TomH

                Your problem is that you confuse “trolling” with criticism of any kind. For you, a troll seems to be someone whose reading of the available evidence is gloomier than your own. Nor do I understand how such a normally astute poster can make such an elementary confusion. I take it, in my vast charity of heart, as evidence you are a good Yankee fan (as am I–since 1952). Therefore:

                I forgive you. Go in peace and sin, rhetorically, no more.
                • Jim Is Bored

                  Yay! Holier than thou attitude! I LOVE IT!

                  • Jack P

                    I’ve never seen more smug comments then this website, these self righteous Yankee fans who think they are better than everyone else. Fuck em TomH, you’re allowed your opinion without being ridiculed and looked down upon. In fact I’d suggest you no longer even participate in commenting, the smugness on this site has reached an insane level and it’s impossible to carry a legitimate conversation.

              • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

                Well as my ruling is both meaningless and on the internet, it is not to be taken seriously.

                I just think having people on both sides of particular topics adds to the discussion, as you yourself agree with below. I agree we all get tired of the grave rolling posts, but I think this guy actually attempted to go somewhere with it and make a point, which ultimately was that he preferred Girardi’s method of addressing the public.

                I don’t think the guy was trying to antagonize, just to make a point that isn’t too popular on here. Now, having not read many of his other posts, idk if he is a reglar troll, but this particular post didn’t seem trollish to me.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  My response was pretty meaningless too.

                  But as “grave-rolling” is a notorious troll phrase around here, if he were honestly trying to avoid antagonizing, he would have left that part out.

                  • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

                    I agree that anyone using “grave-rolling” is most likely completely ignorant, a first time viewer of this blog, or trying to troll. In fairness to TomH though, he only stated that he couldn’t imagine Hal’s comments coming from a number of former Yankee brass, Big George included, and then contrasted it with Joe G’s own public statements. A valid comparison I would think although it is probably guaranteed to ruffle some feathers.

                    All in all, I just want the season to start so we can start discussing actual games and performances instead.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        “Notice who’s missing? How about the players and the fans? Or maybe simple love of baseball? Hal thinks he’s running a private equity fund, not a baseball team.”

        1) “Organization” should include “players” under any reasonable definition.

        2) Who said “If you think like the fans, you’ll be sitting with them soon.” I don’t mind being “fans” left off that when looking at the entire context of it.

        That was a perfectly reasonable statement to make.

        • TomH

          2) Who said “If you think like the fans, you’ll be sitting with them soon.” I don’t mind being “fans” left off that when looking at the entire context of it.

          That was a perfectly reasonable statement to make.

          I don’t think it was. To take the fans into account is not, after all, to follow that Cashman principle (think like ‘em, sit with ‘em). It’s to do what any astute businessman should do: keep firmly in mind his customers’ probable responses to any interview he may give. Imagine the effect of following the advice of “Jim is Bored (the poster I call “Capitalist Roader”), below, and implicitly telling the fans to buzz off with their damn complaining, to put their money where their mouths are, and stay home if they don’t like how he runs, etc., etc. Now that would be world-class dumb business.

          Jim-is-bored’s error begins with his “it just so happens” that his business is a baseball teams, as if the nature of a business enterprise is a matter of indifference to an owner who wishes to make dough.

          It absolutely is not a matter of indifference, and its the test of a businessman’s intelligence to know how the nature of his enterprise will demand gestures of tact undemanded by some other enterprise.

          • Jim Is Bored

            “as if the nature of a business enterprise is a matter of indifference to an owner who wishes to make dough.”

            That isn’t even remotely what I said. If you’re going to interpret something from my comments, do it honestly. Dick.

            “It absolutely is not a matter of indifference, and its the test of a businessman’s intelligence to know how the nature of his enterprise will demand gestures of tact undemanded by some other enterprise.”

            This literally adds nothing to the conversation. Like, seriously. You wrote a paragraph that has zero worth.

            I grant you no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.

            • jsbrendog

              if i use business speak and large words i can say nothing at all and people will think i am so wise!!

              the yankees are a business. fans dont have to show up and the business still makes money IE Marlins and Astros, Pirates, etc.

              unless you are a publicly shared and offered business you do not have to cater to your fans because they do not have a vested interest in the business or profit margins or any decisions whatsoever.

              the yankees are a cash cow and I for one am super psyched to not see some one in the owner’s chair pandering to the fans. the fans are, as a whole, a bunch of idiots (this includes myself and everyone else, remember, “as a whole”) and if they were in charge of the team it would cease to exist in a couple yrs.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Hal runs a business. It just so happens that it’s a baseball team. His goal is still, at the very core, to make money, not make fans happy. If fans are unhappy but still paying $$$ to see the team, what motivation is there to change?

        Stop watching TV, stop buying things from companies that advertise on YES or at YS3, stop going to games, stop frequenting Yankee blogs. When everyone does that, he’ll do more to make you happy. But here’s a secret, that’s never going to happen. It might be depressing, but it’s a reality.

        • TomH

          As Mao used to say, “Capitalist roader!

          Actually, the first obligation of an astute businessman is not to have a minimalist time horizon. Worse,Hal often sounds like a mere business school businessman, the bane of American capitalism–and maybe even the American military (unless they’ve stopped encouraging officers to get management degrees instead of history degrees). It was buccaneer capitalists who made American capitalism great, not timid chronic students.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I have no idea how that has anything to do with anything I said.

          • jsbrendog

            anyone who quots mao cannot have much useful to say.

            and yeah, what?

            dude…what?

            ahhh yes business school businessmen, the businessmen who go to business school…wait….yeah, the bane of…hold on….

            i just can’t

    • dalelama

      All of which was forecast by the Dalelama with uncanny accuracy despite the slings and arrows of the low information homer.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Your mom is a low information homer.

      • hogsmog

        Yes, I am a fan of ‘information’. I do not see how that could possibly be construed as bad.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    *awaits Joe’s counterpoint post*

    Also, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, Mike. It’s clear the woman in the picture above was signed to an MiLB deal in order to provide depth at third. Look at the “wings” under those arm muscles. Those things alone could slow down a couple of liners down the line.

    • BeanTooth

      I just threw up in my mouth. Also, with those claws, she could snare a few liners right out of the air.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’s also possible that’s actually what Reegie Corona looks like.

        • MannyGeee

          hehehe… it looks like mistaken identities are a thing today:

          http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b.....ny-ramirez

          Sidebar: Thank you RT. I was looking for a way to shoehorn that link into a thread today, and you gave me the sliver of a window to do it. Anything “Manny being Manny” makes me chuckle.

    • steves

      Looks like she is starring as Yenta in a local Fiddler on the Roof production (Youk does Bar Mitzvahs as well!).

      • jsbrendog

        his head is so misshapen!

  • Tim Sherman

    Not sure why they released Adams, but Mustellier can definitely play 3rd. He played there in Cuba and the Yankees moved him to the outfield. He would be my first choice and I believe he is more than adequate. I kind of agree about SS though, Nunez will start, but who’s the backup SS til Jeter is ready. Nix can play there in a pinch, but in case of another injury, they are kind of screwed. This will be an interesting year for Yankees fans. We’ll see how many bandwagon fans there are if the team struggles. I have been through much worse over the years and have weathered the long droughts between playoff appearances. If the team doesn’t make it this year, I’ll still be around. Personally, I don’t like watching A-Rod or Texeira much, so I won’t miss them. It will be fun to see what the other guys can do.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d wager that the fourth option at short for most teams in baseball kinda looks like Gil Velazquez.

      Yeah, you’ve got to approach this year a bit differently and hope you’ll be looking back at it (and maybe next) as a strange footnote in history. I’m also interested in how these fans who take every move, win, and loss completely to heart are going to do, as well as those fans who only remember the last 19 years or so (not that I think this is a redux of what was going on direcly before, as others seem to.)

    • pounder

      Well said,see you in Oct.

  • Eddard

    Couldn’t agree more with you, Mike. This F.O. has left the franchise in more disarray than US Congress. There’s nothing wrong with getting the payroll under $189 million but only if you aren’t already overpaying for useless and injured players. A-Rod and Teixera make $50 million to play half a season and then disappear in the post season.

    I thought the $189 cap would force the F.O. to give more chances to the kids and be more patient with the farm system but then they go out and give Vernon Wells $13 million proving that they’ve learned nothing. When your problem is old age, injuries and overpaid worthless players your goal shouldn’t be to rush out and trade for more.

    • sdfgn

      For the love of Christ, what kids! Name one that deserves a chance in the outfield? Melky Mesa can’t hit a lick and Zolio isn’t ready. Who deserves to play? When the kids suck, then what to you do? Oh, I know you will be complaining about them too! At least this way, if Francisco or Wells or whoever sucks, there are “potential” replacements.

      Mike, you are becoming ridiculous. RAB is one of the best Yankee blogs on the internet, but for the love of god, hire some more writers. Agree with it or not, the Yankees clearly have a plan. It is not their faults is their “younger” players who were thought to contribute got hurt. Tex and Granderson were being counted on a lot. However, take the 2/3 best hitters off any team and they will look weak.

      Finally, Mike, you are the one who always says the line “no one wants to come play behind Arod and Jeter, because they won’t get into the game.” How does that not still hold true? Jeter will need rest, but any back up will still get more playing time somewhere else.

      Please, enough with your insanity. Oh my god, the sky is falling, the Yankees suck! How about you let them play a real game, before your next endless rant. When Joe is the optimist, you know something is wrong…

      • dalelama

        Spoken like a true homer.

        • MannyGeee

          replied like a true troll. Well played dalelama.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Your mom is a true homer.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            In Jim’s pants.

        • sdfgn

          I am a “homer” by saying we have no prospects that are ready. Or, by saying that any team would suck with their 2nd and 3rd best players out. Which doesn’t include the starting SS or 3B.

          I didn’t even insinuate they would be good this year. Only, what the hell is the point of jumping off the ledge in ST.

  • The Real Me (Formerly Cris Pengiucci)

    Have to agree that it appears the FO made some mistakes by not looking for cost control and signing a few more players (good, younger ones) to multi-year contracts. For this season, the strength of the team will be pitching. I hope the defense and offense have enough to support that pitching and the Yankees can tread water and stay in contact with the division leaders until Jeter, Granderson and Teixiera return. I also hope Youk can stay healthy & productive till A-Rod returns. Things need to break right for this team in order for it to be a contender. One slip up and it could be a long, unsatisfying season.

  • steves

    Self-imposed franchise-undermining nightmare sums it up pretty succinctly Mike. Add in a dose of bad luck and bad-timing and these are your 2013 New York Yankees. When does the Mark Appel watch start?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The Astros already have the first pick this year, so no Appel for the Yankees :(

      • steves

        True. I’m thinking he passes on the Astros like he did with the Pirates and Yanks will have him for the 2014 first pick; its far-fetched and alot of things would have to go very wrong but whoever thought the Yanks would be in the predicament they are currently in.

        • TomH

          whoever thought the Yanks would be in the predicament they are currently in.

          Actually, more people than I think you realize.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I think anyone who’s been watching the past 15 years or so realized that, sometime in the middle of this decade, they’d find themselves in something that resembles this.

            That doesn’t mean you can’t question their handling of it thus far as, yes, a lot of that has been puzzling (put through “Troll filter,” I’ll assume that reads as “TEH YANKEEZ R PURRRFECT N EVERY WHEY.”)

            The solace I take, at least, is that all these moves have kept the best young players in the organization. That doesn’t mean there may have been better roster management options this off-season which resulted in that, but at least tht shows some forward-thinking.

            • Jim Is Bored

              We all knew our “core” would age, and we’d have a few years where moving on was going to be hell. We were just hoping it wouldn’t all happen simultaneously, and that A-Rod and Tex would have hung on a year or two longer before cratering.

              Sometimes shit happens, and when you paid a TON of money for that shit, and at the same time want to save money, you’re in for a rough season or two.

            • Hardy

              The Yankees are only in “this”, because they decided to cut payroll while the average payroll of other teams is steadily going up.

              They could have signed e.g. Anibal Sanchez, Nick Swisher and Russell Martin (without trading for Wells) while keeping their payroll on the same level as the last years compared to the rest of MLB. That would have been enough to project as favorite in the AL East even with all the injuries.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Well no, they’re in this because of the dead money on this team right now.

                • Hardy

                  The Yankees had a lot of dead money for most of the last eight years, but they remained at the top because they were willing to spend big.
                  What has changed is not the dead money, it is the willingness to outspend the competition by a factor of up to 3.
                  Think about it:
                  If the Yankees decide at the end of the 2005 season that they want to start the 2008 with a payroll of 160 million, the 2007 Yankees have problems similar to what we are witnessing now.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    The Yankees had dead money but guys who were playing. That’s incredible different than this year’s situation.

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    Exactly they have always been willing to go a little extra to cover up mistakes or maintain their competitive edge. Once they start cutting back their weaknesses become more evident.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      THEY JUST SPENT 13 MILLION ON VERNON WELLS.

                      DEAR GOD.

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      Vernon Wells has been terrible the past two seasons. Hopefully he bounces back but he has been a bad player recently.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Ok, this is an example of why you irritate me.

                      You said “They have always been willing to go a little extra to cover up mistakes”

                      They just spent 13 million dollars. 13 million, that they didn’t need to, and that was arguable a bad baseball move. I don’t like the trade, nor does anyone else.

                      But they just spent 13 million to cover up a weakness(the outfield). They literally, not figuratively, LITERALLY, just went a little extra to cover up mistakes.

                      And yet you ignored the point, and said something that no one would argue with.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Jim said it already, but for shits and giggles:

                      VERNON WELLS.

                    • Hardy

                      It is obviously correct that they decided this week to spend 13 million on Vernon Wells.
                      However, they still made deliberate decisions that downgraded the team to save money (no offer to Martin, Chavez; Suzuki over Hamilton, Swisher) as plan A. In the past years, “Bubba Crosby is our CF” was never the actual plan A.

                    • jsbrendog

                      or it was the plan a and then THE SITUATION FUCKING CHANGED.

                      seriously, can i use your batphone to talk to cashman? i hear he is a pretty nice guy, you know since you talk to him daily and know what he thinks and what goes in in the front office.

                    • jsbrendog

                      i dont know, you dont know, no one knows except the ppl who were there.

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      @ Jim it is a weakness they created with a lack of depth. I’m not saying they should have went after Hamilton or kept Swisher but Vernon Wells…seriously.

                    • jsbrendog

                      so, yankees have lack of depth, cashman failed!!!

                      yankees wont spend money, cashman failed!!!

                      everyone gets hurt, cashman failed!!!

                      wbc pays for teixeira so there is money to be spent.

                      yankees address depth by getting probably the only available player by SPENDING MONEY. and he is healthy.

                      CASHMAN FAILED

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      Well the lack of depth and major league ready players is on Cashman. He took control of the farm and the results have been mixed at best.

          • dalelama

            Me

            • Jim Is Bored

              Your mom.

      • Gonzo

        Carlos Rodon watch!!!

  • Tyler

    The tone of this entire post would be completely different, if, oh, I don’t know, our starting 3B, SS, 1B, and CF were not injured and in the lineup to open the season. This whining about the Yankees offseason is already old.

    Joe we need a sensical response to this.

    • SteveB

      I agree completely. I love this site and Mike does a very good job, but the whining has been overkill lately.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I can both appreciate and love Mike for what he does and think some of this lately from him is bordering on hyperbole. Mike is absolutely entitled to his opinion, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that this has been an overall better site these past few days with some involvement from all three originals. This site has always thrived on there being different voices.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I couldn’t agree more with this.

          • Meyer Lansky

            This is how it started going downhill for Lombardi. Just a head’s up dude.

            • Jim Is Bored

              ?

              • Meyer Lansky

                Steve Lombardi whose Was Watching blog famously predicted the end of Yankees post-season appearances shortly before the 2009 season. He was also Brian Cashman’s harshest critic. He was/is a sad fellow.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  Ah. Gotcha. I thought you meant that agreeing with someone caused his downfall!

                  And I’m on your side. I hope that this is Mike’s honest opinion, and that he’s just having a bad few months, rather than this being some plan to attract page views.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    FWIW, I don’t think this is a cynical ploy in the least and am pretty sure Mike is just expressing his opinion.

                • Pat D

                  Fuck that asshole. He never had anything worthwhile to say anyway.

      • CONservative governMENt

        At this point I think Axisa is pulling a Lupica and overdoing the negativity to generate reaction. Nobody is that consistently miserable (except Phil Mushnick).

        • Jim Is Bored

          I never want to assume that about anyone, but I have to agree. And you know what, it’s worked, because we’ve had a ton of 200+ comment threads this offseason. Even during times where literally nothing of interest was happening.

          So, I guess, more views = more ad money for RAB, higher quality articles during the season when people will be here anyway?

          • Meyer Lansky

            Didn’t work for Lombardi, did it?

            • Jim Is Bored

              Ah, I had no idea what you were referring to.

              My post above was much more of a “I wish it were more positive”, which seems weird to respond to like you did.

              This makes much more sense. And at this point I’m just looking for a silver lining. If the negativity stays this way, I can’t imagine I’ll stick around very long, which could be your point.

              I definitely like some of the regular commenters, but when literally every thread is spent dealing with the sky-is-falling crowd, let by Axisa, I just don’t know how much endurance I have for it.

              • Meyer Lansky

                Precisely. No need to be Pollyanna-ish but, come on, we’re allegedly Yankees fans not the baseball department of ESPN.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  I mean I get accused of being a polyanna 3-4 times a day around here.

                  And i’m voting 6′s in the confidence poll.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    You’ve got a Troll filter, too. That just read as “And i’m voting 12′s in the confidenc poll.”

                    • jsbrendog

                      homer.

                    • The Real Me (Formerly Cris Pengiucci)

                      You’re Mom’s a homer!

    • emac2

      What’s old is the idea that this team is fun to follow when you sign a bunch of old men, start dumping kids to make room for them and then bring in a few more to block the kids that will be ready next year.

      A rebuild can be a blast if you can watch the kids develop but if it’s going to be old timers day every day it’s going to just get….old.

      The lame spin you try to put on it is that the team isn’t being hurt this year. My issue is how much they are hurting it in the future by the moves they are making today. I think they should be very good this year.

      • jjyank

        Rebuilding is only a blast if done right and falling into some good luck. There are a lot of teams stuck in perpetual rebuild mode, and I’m willing to bet their fans don’t find it very fun.

        I think too many people don’t realize what a risk it is to dive into full-blown rebuilding.

        • emac2

          Rebuilding is a blast when you have the Yankees assets and competent leaders.

          The issue here isn’t if we rebuild anyway. I’m just arguing against waiving your best minor league bats in exchange for 14 million dollar players (Wells) that retard the rebuild you are going through.

          Either rebuild or don’t but Wells isn’t the final piece of anything and we really don’t need any more LF, 1B, DH types. We just have a 60 window to fill and we spent 14 mil to block all of our best prospects next year?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            “I’m just arguing against waiving your best minor league bats in exchange for 14 million dollar players (Wells) that retard the rebuild you are going through.”

            When did that happen?

            If you’re referring to David Adams, I hope you don’t accuse someone else of prospect-hugging at any point in the next 150 years.

            • Meyer Lansky

              Adams can hit but a)he’s a defensive liability at both 2nd Base and 3rd Base and b)he’s more injury-prone than Nick Johnson.

              • emac2

                Adams was a very good prospect before the injury which is proven by the fact that he was the difference between Cliff Lee going to the Yanks or the Phils.

                That fact that he hasn’t fully recovered yet doesn’t mean anything about his future ability.

                Waiving him to make room for an overpriced vet or to keep a potential 6th starter or marginal RP prospect is the wrong move.

                • jsbrendog

                  YANKEES NEEW TO WIN NOW THIS IS BS

                  that’s you.

                  YANKEES ARE IDIOTS FOR RELEASING SOMEONE WHO CANT HELP NOW AND MAY NEVER HELP EVER BUT MAY HELP IN A YR OR TWO, MAYBE.

                  that’s also you.

                  huh?

            • MannyGeee

              V-WELLZ IS BLOCKING TEH KIDZ!!!!!

              Took a while, but we get there.

          • Joe R

            Who are all these best prospects you keep speaking about? Theres nobody ready to come up yet that would be able to help the club.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              That’s part of the problem

            • emac2

              best prospects should be obvious and “help this year” shouldn’t be a consideration.

          • Jim Is Bored

            None of our prospects are blocked next year. Wells will count 0$ against the luxury tax. He’ll be completely cuttable if he sucks.

            • emac2

              In the Yankees universe Wells plays over any of our young outfielders next year because that’s just the Yankee way.

              That means instead of Gardner and Ichiro joining Austin or whoever else rises to the top of the class we get Wells.

              worst yet? We just spent 14 million dollars..plus tax probably gets us to 20 mil.

              Are you telling me that the Yankees can’t get more than Wells out of a 20 million dollar investment?

              That’s embarrassing.

          • jjyank

            Rebuilding is not a guarantee for a blast. It could just as easily be a painful, long, and drawn out process.

            Anyway, I disagree with your assessment on what the team is doing. It seems to me that they are trying to build a bridge to span 1-3 seasons to give the farm system a chance to pan out. I think all these short term deals for veterans mean the Yankees are attempting to hold down the fort at the MLB level and hope the farm bears some fruit. Whether or not you agree with how they’ve attempted to do this, I believe that is the goal.

            As far as this goes: ” I’m just arguing against waiving your best minor league bats in exchange for 14 million dollar players (Wells) that retard the rebuild you are going through.”

            I disagree. Our best minor league bats aren’t ready for MLB action. I don’t really care if the Musteliers or Joseph’s of the world are in AAA for depth instead of making them plan A. If Williams/Heathcott/Austin/Sanchez were in AAA, I would agree.

            • emac2

              If you make a list of the best hitters in the Yankees minor league system Adams is in the top 10. Especially if you weigh for proximity to the majors.

              He’s also a infielder.

              I think that is someone I would err on the side of keeping.

              Wells would be great for 2 or 3 mil a year but at that price he is diverting limited assets and the bridge he provides isn’t needed.

              • jjyank

                Adams hasn’t gone to another team yet. Regardless, that’s only one example. You’re point is still flawed.

                • emac2

                  Adams is only one point but are you really going to say that if you had control of this team a week ago and Hal said you have 115 million to spend that Wells would have been in the top 100 options?

                  It was a bad move that became an insult when a player with potential to be better than average is thrown away just to make room.

                  Can you honestly say he would be in the top 100 players you would have considered with that money?

                  Would you rather watch Wells or Adams/Ronnier as a fan?

          • Tyler

            …”waiving your best minor league bats…”

            We’re talking about David Adams, who will turn 26 in a couple of months, and has less than 800 PAs since 2010 and less than 400 PAs at AAA for his career. I feel the reaction to his release has been a collective insane overreaction. It’s not like we let go of Mason Williams here. Now is Adams useless? No. Were there other guys that could have been released that would have made a little more sense? Probably. But again, we are talking about a soon-to-be 26 year old non prospect at this point who is always, and I mean always, injured. Everyone calm down.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              This. This. This.

              And this.

            • emac2

              I think you consider it an over reaction because you are looking at it in a vacuum.

              The move means several things to me and adams is one of the smaller items. People just use it as the easiest point to disagree with.

              1. I wont see any of our outfield prospects until the middle of next year.

              2. Ronnier probably gets sent down.

              3. Next year will be a vet fest instead of a young core

              4. We just wasted a ton of cash when we no longer have the deep pockets to rely on.

              I’m still upset that Jeremy Lin was let go for nothing too and that probably gives Adams a last straw effect.

              Of course I did finally drop the knicks like a bad habit.

          • sdfgn

            CLEARLY, HE WASN’T ONE OF THE BEST MINOR LEAGUE BATS TO THE TEAM!

      • Robinson Tilapia

        “What’s old is the idea that this team is fun to follow when you sign a bunch of old men, start dumping kids to make room for them and then bring in a few more to block the kids that will be ready next year.”

        The team is fun to follow when a fan thinks they’re fun to follow, not when they’re told by someone else they’re fun to follow.

        Win or lose, there will be something fun about this franchise that will make fans continue to watch. For one, I actually intend on attending a Trenton Thunder game this year, which I’ve never done before.

        • emac2

          I’m not trying to tell anyone else how to feel about things. Just expressing my dismay.

          I think the Yanks have the pitching to contend this year and this move might help win this year but I wont enjoy following them as much.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      There were concerns about the roster before those players went down. The team entered the season with a certain amount of risk given the age of the roster.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Sure, that’d be pretty hard to disagree with. However, there are injury-related issues which people are abscribing to “Cashman failed” which are being unfairly done.

        Complaining about your fourth-string shortstop being Gil Velazquez falls under that category for sure.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Failed in a sense that the lack of depth has come back to bite them. Of course he didn’t know all these guys would go down all at once but injuries in sports occur all the time.

          “Complaining about your fourth-string shortstop being Gil Velazquez falls under that category for sure.”

          Who lol

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Who are the fourth string SS options on any other team? You may not know the names, but they’re going to be all-glove, no-bat types like Velazquez, Ramiro Pena, etc.

            • Tyler

              YES.

    • CashmanNinja

      I definitely agree. I love the site, but good lord it’s been the same crap on a daily basis. I could understand if it was halfway through the season, but Opening Day hasn’t even arrived yet. How about we see how players perform before judging. Baseball is a funny sport because sometimes guys come out of nowhere and have career years.

      • mac

        What a ridiculous comment. You actually want to see the players perform before judging?

        Seriously, it does look pretty bad right now, other teams flush with cash resigning their best players before FA and the multitude of mistakes Hal made. Add to that a farm with little talent ready to contribute and the holes on this current roster.

        The only hope I have is knowing if the Yanks really go into decline for more than a season or two that Hal will see the ink run red at the shopping mall that Ruth built and YESFOX. That leads me to believe they will somehow field a competitive team for the foreseeable future.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          “What a ridiculous comment. You actually want to see the players perform before judging?”

          I pray to Mo this was sarcasm.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I’m surprised you even had to ask. It was obvious to me.

            His last 2 paragraphs was much too logical for the first sentence to have been serious.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Stupid me. Yup.

              • jjyank

                Tsk tsk. Usually it’s me with the shitty sarcasm detector.

    • Gonzo

      A) Mike has not been a sky is falling person, regarding the regular season, throughout the years I’ve followed the blog, so maybe you should take his opinion with a little less salt than a shaker full. Lumping him in with Yankee bears is unfair since he actually tries to have a sobering, objective assessment of the team. He has had to cover other teams way more than any of us.

      B) His complaint about the roster has to do with the fact that they knew about 2 of the 4 injuries you listed when they still had time to react to them. His point is that they could have reacted better if they were not worried about the 2014 season. Whether you agree with him or not, is not the point. It’s his viewpoint and it appears to be a valid concern.

      C) If you need Joe to post a counterpoint or put a positive spin on something to validate your point, well…

      • Tyler

        A) Mike, the past couple of weeks, has been a “sky is falling” fan in my opinion. You disagree, and that is fine. I do not think it is unfair at all to say that about Mike. Again, it is only my opinion of his tone towards the team’s offseason in his posts the past several weeks, nothing personal. Big deal get over it.

        (B) So you’re basically saying that whether I agree/ disagree with Mike or not is irrelevant because his has his opinion and I have mine and that is that. Okay I guess everyone should either (a) not post anything counter to what Mike, Joe, or Ben say because it is irrelevant or (2) not post at all. These comment threads would be a blast.

        (C) If you need me to teach you about sarcasm, well…

        • Gonzo

          A) Of course he’s been “sky is falling” for the past couple of weeks. Wouldn’t you, or anyone for that matter, question his integrity if one day he was bullish and then the next day he was bearish? It’s still the same offseason and ST leading up to the same season. Trust me, I never had to get over it to start.

          B) You missed the point. There is a reason he is “whining” about the injuries and I pointed it out. You can have your opinion but you can’t have your own facts. If your opinion is that they did a bang up job this offseason despite knowing their two main injury cases, that’s fine. Mike explains why he differs with his opinion, you don’t. You are the one that’s just “whining” without actually giving anything to back up your claim in the OP.

          C) Ohhhh, the irony. The sweet, sweet irony.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I wonder how many times a day Mitt Romney actually does get quoted.

            • Gonzo

              I dunno, but I use this one everyday.

              I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.

          • Tyler

            (A) I have no idea how Mike’s integrity got involved in this debate or how you found a way to bring that up. But you agree that he has been a pessimistic fan the past couple of weeks and so do I, so cool. That was exactly my point.

            (B) I dont know how you can take from any of this that I have my own facts, but whatever. Yea we knew about 2 of the 4 injuries, and Cashman covered those as best he could by signing Youkilis and going through the scrap heap. What the hell else did you want him to do? My whole point with other posts throughout this thread is that Yankee fans, Mike included, are bashing Cashman and whining because of the offseason/ lack of depth/ whatever in relation to next years’ budget plans, when without the catastrophic injuries we’ve had, the roster and Cashman’s offseason would not be an issue to them, and it shouldn’t be regardless in my opinion. I do in fact explain myself further down the thread, which you obviously missed, but here you go:

            “Here is another way of looking at this and the supposed abysmal job Cashman has done this winter while planning for next years “austerity” budget (ask most other fans if they would like it if their team was committed to spending between $170-$190 million, but that is besides the point). The team has lost 4 of its 8 everyday position players, projected for a combined (Granderson = 3.6, Jeter = 2.0, Arod = 2.2, Tex = 3.2) 11 WAR, according to ZIPS. Now tell any other team in baseball that they have to remove 4 of their 8 every-day postion players that equal 11 WAR, any way they want. How would that teams’ depth look?”

            I’ve been defending Cashman throughout this convo with you and this entire thread and defending the roster given the circumstances. If you think I am the one who is whining, then read more carefully I guess. I actually don’t know what to tell you.

            (C) Stop trying to one up me on this. You missed my joke deal with it.

            • Gonzo

              A) Nope. Never said he was pessimistic. I don’t think he’s being a sky is falling person. I think he’s being objective and taken a sobering stock of the ballclub.

              B) You do realize that Mike doesn’t use the name Cashman once in this piece, right?

              I didn’t respond to your response of someone else’s response. I responded to your OP which is a response to the piece.

              You finally started to defend your point of view, but even you have to admit, you did not in your first post. It was a simple hatchet job. You think the team did an excellent job, I get it. Do you have to say that everyone that disagrees with you is whining? Seems like a childish thing to do me.

              C) Your humor is beyond me. It’s too cool. Maybe you should work on some other things though. Start here.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark

              • Tyler

                Jesus christ like multiple other things you’ve brought up, I have no idea where you get some of this, now claiming that I have said that everyone who disagrees with me is whining. All I said was, in one of the first posts on this thread, that Mike has been whining too much recently about the Yankees offseason. That is it. Nothing about his integrity, nothing how I think everyone who disagrees with me is whining, or whatever else you’re pulling out of thin air. Talk about a hatchet job. And in one post you say he has been a sky is falling fan, I agree b/c I’ve been saying that all along, then in your very next response you say no he hasn’t. Can’t even remember your own statements.

                And if you read above the entire thread, I’m in the majority with the whining sentiment.

                • Gonzo

                  Not surprised.

                  ….now claiming that I have said that everyone who disagrees with me is whining.

                  I’ll cop to this. I should have said this only in reference to Mike. My apologies.

                  Nothing about his integrity,…or whatever else you’re pulling out of thin air.

                  Dude, I never said you questioned his integrity. Get over this point. You’re trying to strawman me.

                  And in one post you say he has been a sky is falling fan…

                  I told you work on some things.
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark
                  Now read what I wrote again.

                  Can’t even remember your own statements.

                  Yes, I can. I can’t help it if you can’t interpret them. I’m even providing links for you.

                  And if you read above the entire thread, I’m in the majority with the whining sentiment.

                  Wait a second, you’re in the majority? Holy smokes this changes everything. Nope, it doesn’t. Try your ad populum argument elsewhere buddy.

  • MartinRanger

    It’s undeniable that the execution of plan 189 has been pretty abysmal, which seems to lay mainly on Hal and Levine, though Cashman can’t entirely escape blame. The next two years are going to be, by the standards of the post 1996 Yankees, a bit of a rough ride.

    It’s possible this pays off in the end. It’s possible that post-2014 the team is able to flex its financial muscles without the burden of the luxury tax, shed a number of bloated contracts, and build the core of a new ‘dynasty’. But all that relies on much better results from the farm system than we’ve been getting lately. It’s going to get harder and harder to sign a guy like Sabathia – a front of the rotation workhorse in the prime of his career. Frontline starters are much more frequently being locked up by their teams, with the exception of those like Grienke, who hit the jackpot on a diminished market and get the kind of bloated contract that led to this whole problem.

    They need to get better on the player development side. Especially pitching. The team signed Giambi and Teixeira, two first baseman, hardly the most demanding of positions, because they weren’t even able to develop an athletically limited potent middle-of-the-order bat for over a decade – much less players like Jeter or Williams (and then they traded Montero for a young starting pitcher because none of theirs had really reached their potential). When Brandon Claussen and Jeff Karstens are the only farmhands seeing the majors, you get Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, A.J. Burnett.

    I’m talking about 2003 and 2004 here, but to be honest the player development side of things has been an issue at least that long. And yes, some of it is due to major league success, and thus draft position. But before the spending caps, the Yankees had full access to the international FA market. And there are plenty of less than top-10 draft picks who have made significant contributions to their teams over these years. It’s difficult to find more than a handful of Yankee farmhands who have done the same – there’s Melky, who was pretty mediocre for us, Cano, the biggest exception and also the best example of the benefits of investing in the farm – what overpaid, aging second baseman would have taken Soriano’s place after he was traded? Because they weren’t going to roll with Tony Womack-types for several years.

    We don’t need to get a team of Canos. But 4th outfielders, utility players, back-end starters should come from within the organization. That’s where the major savings happen. The Yankees, to their credit, have finally been able to produce impact big league relievers. We’re not signing Steve Karsay, Felix Heredia, or even Paul Quantrill because Ramiro Mendoza’s arm finally went and somebody needs to get the ball to Mo.

    I don’t think I’m asking too much here? If the Yankees are going to make the decision to avoid bloated contracts, which on the whole I support, especially for 1st baseman/DH types, they have to make up the difference elsewhere. And that starts on the farm.

    • sdfgn

      So, Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova, David Phelps aren’t 4/5 types. Brett Marshall, hopefully will be soon too.

      The Yankees lack, the same way all teams lack, in developing all-stars. #1 and #2 pitchers are not easy to develop. Yes, the Yankees may have messed up with Joba and Hughes, but drafting at the end of round 1 every year makes it harder to develop top talent, because you aren’t selecting top talent. You are selected damaged top talent, and are hopeful for a rebound or better health.

      TB has developed less and less, since they started winning divisions. I bet it will be the same for Washington. There is a reason these rookies go early, because they have the biggest upside and pan out more than others. Mistakes are always made with teams, such is life, however, stop acting like the Yankees are any worse then other teams drafting perennially late in the round.

      • MartinRanger

        What Ivan Nova and David Phelps are at this point is anyone’s guess. But you’ll note I was focusing on a much earlier period, the period that is responsible for giving them a bloated payroll and roster inflexibility.

        So yes, Phelps and Nova are absolutely steps in the right direction. Brett Marshall could very well be another one. Hopefully Robertson will be the first in a line of impact relievers, with Montgomery and Black inbound.

        So no, I’m not saying the Yankees are bereft of talent. I’m saying that, if they stick to this 189 thing and don’t go signing everyone to huge contracts when they are under the luxury tax, they DO need to be better than average teams drafting at the back end.

        Also, Tampa’s run of success started exactly when they starting drafting smarter/got a bit luckier. So that’s a case in point if nothing else.

  • MartinRanger

    Obviously, there is reason for hope with Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Gary Sanchez, and even Heathcott if he can stop crashing into things (I’m not holding my breath). But they need more. And honestly, is this not the best crop of position player prospects they’ve had since the mid-1990s? That’s a long run of mediocrity and futility.

    • sdfgn

      I do not think you can deny the success they have had since 2006 when they changed their amateur philosophy.

      Gardner, Robertson, Hughes, Joba (even if missed potential), Kennedy, Clippard, Austin Jackson, Montero, Kontos, Cervilli.
      Scrap heap pick ups, who have excelled in limited roles.
      Smart trades

      • MartinRanger

        And more of that would be good. But it’s gone from a luxury to a necessity.

        We aren’t necessarily disagreeing. We’re just coming at it in different ways. And I’m a bit more pessimistic about the Yankees farm system going forwards. We’re not far removed from Jeremy Bleich.

  • trr

    Ouch!

    But the point about 2014 is well taken; if you like what the F/O did in 2013, you gonna love 2014! That’s gonna be an absolute Frankenstein of a team, (nearly) dead bodies stitched together…

    But let’s get through 2013 first-

  • johnnybk

    Yeah, they botched it. I think the problem isn’t 189 its 2014. What they need to be doing is looking for value. Adding reasonable multi year deals is a good thing. Contracts like the ones Swisher and bourn ended up with a good value for players who offer good production. If they waited a couple years and looked for chances to gradually lower payroll I think it could have been done without downgrading the roster so drastically.

    • Jersey Joe

      I completely agree. I mean, even if he proposed the plan after 2011, he had to make it more gradual. I feel like we’re still procrastinating with the 189 plan, and the kids aren’t playing enough to have the experience to be productive in 2014. I feel like the Wells deal put the nail in the coffin.

      • sdfgn

        They knew about the new rules for the 2012 season. Meaning there was no additional time to make changes.

  • Yankonymous

    After last years post season debacle, how can you

    • Yankonymous

      …think keeping the same core together is a good idea?

      That team needed to be gutted and I’m glad the yanks are clearing house.

      The Sox and Marlins did it, if only we could get someone to eat Tex or arod’s contact and I’d call this the best year for the Yankees front office in a decade.

      • Captain

        these type of comments come from Mike’s tone the last couple of months imo.

        sure the smart move is to blow up a 95 win team over the results of 4 games. yes thats the ticket!

      • Steve

        They had someone to eat Tex and Arod’s contract. The same team that bailed the Red Sox out. They passed.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Source, other than your ass?

          • The Big City of Dreams

            There were reports the Dodgers asked about CC and Tex. Who knows if it’s true or not

            • Jim Is Bored

              Do we have to play the “sources said” game again?

              It was fun for a day. But I can bring it back if we have to.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                Sure why not

        • Jim Is Bored

          Are you serious? I mean really, do you think the Dodgers would have made that same deal? We’d have had to package Cano to get them to take EITHER Tex or Arod.

  • Grant

    While I want to be optimistic about the Yankees, I have to agree with Mike. The Yankees have been making decisions that are so short sighted they forget that you can’t just press a reset button in 2014. Smart, cost effective contracts during the off-season could have really helped this year, but next year as well. The availability and market conditions will have the Yankees behind the eight ball. Injuries happen, but Jeter and Arod were staring them in face, months before Spring Training.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “Smart, cost effective contracts during the off-season could have really helped this year, but next year as well.”

      To who?

      There is a rock layer of short-sightedness which could have happened here of which you have no clue….and probably would have happened in Papa Bear had rolled out of his coffin.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I understand that it’s the FO’s job, not ours, to come up with names and moves etc.

        But I really, really hate the “We should have done X” comments when X is a mystery. Who’s to say the Yankees didn’t try their darndest to do X, and it just didn’t happen? Who’s to say X was even possible?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Yeah, pretty much what I was elluding to.

          I can imagine that, say, extending David Phelps wouldn’t have stopped the deluge of negativity.

          I can imagine that, say, signing Nate Schierholz wouldn’t have stopped the deluge of negativity.

          So what cost-effective signing is it that would have been the magic bullet of awesome?

          • Jim Is Bored

            Trading A-Rod and his entire salary for Evan Longoria.

            Signing Josh Hamilton to a 4 year deal at 5$ per, because hey, we’re the Yankees.

            Re-signing Cano to a 1 year deal worth 5$ million, with a recurring team option at the same cost.

            Promoting Tyler Austin, Heathcott, and Mason Williams to man the OF. Use Gardner as a PR/4th OF. Wave bye to Grandy and Ichiro.

            Trade Teixeira for Votto straight up.

            It seems like this is what some people wanted to happen.

            • Jim Is Bored

              And I realize that leave no where for Josh Hamilton. He can learn catcher, right?

        • JRod

          Exactly. These discussions blunder into such nebulous territory that they start to lose meaning. About the only tangible facts the critics can hang onto is that the Yanks decided to cut Swisher and Martin loose, and they made Swisher a qualifying offer.

  • hornblower

    Stop crying! Enjoy the season. The pitching is good and they will be very competitive. It’s a new era.
    Brendan Snyder from Texas a young right handed 1st baseman opted out of his minor league contract. Don’t be surprised if the Yanks pick him up.
    Every team has roster problems right now. Expect the Yanks to release two players from the 40 man, probably, Joseph and Warren. It’s a good time to do it because there are DFA players out there to sign to minor league contracts. Stop being so Yankee-centric. No one can just buy a winner anymore. Injuries require mixing and matching and Cash will do fine.

    • Jersey Joe

      “Enjoy the season!”

      Ha. OK.

  • mitch

    I still don’t understand the logic behind getting under 189 in 2014. @50%, the luxury tax on a $220mil payroll is about $15mil. That’s about what they’re paying Vernon Wells this year. That’s not much more than what they’re paying AJ Burnett to pitch for another team.

    I have no problem reducing payroll, but why couldn’t it have been a 5 year plan that focused on smarter spending? The 50% luxury tax is a pretty small price to pay for a few years compared to the problems this plan will cause.

    • mac

      If they get under in 14 they get a rebate from payments they made into Revenue sharing as well as reset the luxtax rate to 17.5% the first time they go over it again.

      Bottom line Hal gets a refund, but more importantly he doesn’t want to exceed 189 mil on principle. So forget about luxtax for a minute, he’d like to reduce payroll by approx $20 mil a year.

      It’s all about “efficiency”. I hope he realizes they’ll lose so much more if he neuters the team out of contention.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        It’s all about “efficiency”. I hope he realizes they’ll lose so much more if he neuters the team out of contention.

        ———————–

        He doesn’t realize that but he will soon if the team takes a step back.

        • jsbrendog

          oh he doesn’t realize it? cause it is definitely true? and you talk to him on the bat phone?

          shit like this man. you. don’t. know. shit.

          neither do i. but i dont pretend like i do on my shitty lil soapbox

          • The Big City of Dreams

            The ppl on here are so hostile when it comes to the Yankees using insults to get their point across. Hal himself said he has been surprised/taken a back by the reaction of the fan base during the off season.

            • jsbrendog

              see, you can’t make any points without contradicting yourself.

              It’s all about “efficiency”. I hope he realizes they’ll lose so much more if he neuters the team out of contention.

              ———————–

              He doesn’t realize that but he will soon if the team takes a step back.

              –hal doesnt realize that theyll lose so much if he cuts the team so much they stop winning

              Hal himself said he has been surprised/taken a back by the reaction of the fan base during the off season.

              –hal, in an interview, which you supposedly read, said he was AWARE OF fan reaction and it surprised him. translation, he is aware of the fan knee jerk reaction…

              so does he realize? or does he not? call him on the batphone and ask him

              • The Big City of Dreams

                call him on the batphone and ask him

                —————

                Come up with a joke that is actually funny then I’ll give him a call.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                so does he realize? or does he not?

                —————–

                Being surprised when it comes to fans being upset is not the same as realizing how much he will lose if the team is out of contention. But I’m sure you’ll reply with another batphone joke or not reply at all.

                • jsbrendog

                  keep on telling yourself whatever you need to.

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    Alright

    • Tyler

      What people seem to gloss over in debates regarding getting under 189 is that, with the tax reset all the way down to 17.5, the Yankees will be in an even better position to spend money after 2014, when the FA class is going to be very good with, among others, some guy named Andrus ready to be bought. And also, well have a payroll in the $180 millions next year. Poor us. Then it is going to jump well into the 200s again in a year or two. Poor us.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Seriously, the self-pity is ridiculous.

        “We deserve more as fans!”

        We’re the luckiest fans in professional sports. We have been since the early 1900s. A “Drought” for the Yankees(1 championship, 10 playoffs in 11 years) is a glory period for most other franchises.

      • mitch

        I don’t think the payroll is going to jump well into the 200s again. I think they intend on reducing the payroll for the long run…and I don’t have a problem with that.

        My original point was that the luxury tax savings isn’t really that much. The difference between 17.5% and 50% is less than $10mil on a 220 payroll.

        They could easily reduce the payroll over a few years and remain competitive by simply spending smarter. Wedging the entire payroll reduction into one year is an unnecessary move. The key to fixing the inflated payroll isn’t resetting the tax rate, it’s adjusting the FO decision making process.

        • Tyler

          I agree, but still $10 million is nothing to sneeze at regardless of team payroll. Any team would make moves to get $10 million in savings, as the Yanks are showing.

          • mitch

            Agreed. I just think their method to reduce payroll is short-sided.

            They didn’t sign Martin for 2/18 (9,9). They did acquire Vernon Wells for 2/14 (13,1). Long term payroll reduction will be achieved by doing more of #1.

            • Tyler

              Agreed, but the situation the team was in when not resigning Martin was far, far different than it was when they acquired Wells. That is something else I don’t think people are grasping too well. But again I’m with you.

            • jsbrendog

              vernon wells is free. he costs nothing. he is being paid for by the WBC with the money they are paying for Teix’s injury. teix makes what, 22-25 a yr or something insane like that? he misses april may and prob some of june, almost half a yr. so ok maybe wells “costs” 1-4 mill this yr.

              the payroll stays the same.

              • emac2

                I hope you don’t handle your own money.

                • The Big City of Dreams

                  That’s harsh

  • Rolo Tomassi

    Welcome to WFAN with Mike Francesa.

    Oops, I mean RAB with Mike Axisa. Sorry about that. It’s getting so difficult to tell which is which these days.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Why is Mike catching some much heat for his comments?

      • Jim Is Bored

        Have you ignored every one who’s already answered this question?

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Calm down Jim not everyone has the same exact reason. All I did was ask a question.

          • Jim Is Bored

            So every time I disagree with you, I have to calm down? Stop telling me to calm down. If I want to be excited, or upset, I’ll be excited, or upset. It’s a sports blog. I’m a fan, which is short for fanatic. If I think someone asked a stupid question, I’ll respond as such. Stop telling me how to behave on a public forum, mom.

            You asked a question that was literally answered in 10 places already in this thread.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Well you could have just posted the answer or linked it to one of the answers in here.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Or you can read.

                • The Big City of Dreams

                  Ok no problem

            • TomH

              What an extraordinary reaction to a reasonable comment.

              • jsbrendog

                CAPITALIST TRUTHER MAILBAG!

      • dalelama

        Fan is short for fanatic…Fanatics do not deal with adversity…Mike pointing the obvious result of organizational mismanagement angers the fanatic who is in denial.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Sometimes anger is a hard thing to control but I am surprised at some of the things being thrown his way such as stop bitching. The team has one advantage and that is being able to spend at a higher clip than their opponents. They aren’t the smartest team in the league, the roster is old, they are making a conscious effort to pull back on spending and they aren’t producing young players at a high rate. How can anyone not have a problem with that. We hear more about 189 than the actually season coming up. The entire off season has been about budgets, payroll, 2014, etc.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Axisa tells it like it is. As usual, well done.

  • Jersey Joe

    OK WAIT WAIT WAIT A MINUTE!

    Is there any chance ARod was the PTBNL in the Wells trade?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      #cashninja

    • Jim Is Bored

      I know this is laughable, but that were true, I think Cash would deserve immunity from criticism for the rest of Arod’s contract.

      If I find a magic lamp at some point today, you know what my first wish is going to be.

      • Darren

        If I find a magic lamp, my first wish will definitely not involve the Yankees’ payroll.

        You might hear the words “Charlize Theron” invoked, possibly “time machine” and “Led Zeppelin” and maybe “Marisa Tomei” for old time sake.

        But not the Yankees payroll.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Well the first wish is always infinite wishes.

  • Stan the Man

    Having money coming off the books at the end of this year is a good thing, but having holes to fill for 2014 is a bad thing? When money comes off the books that means you have holes to fill, so the Yanks will be able to fill these holes with internal options (promotions or trades) and add through free agency w/o going over $189 million luxury tax threshold. The doom and gloom of becoming financially responsbile and not signing ok players to long term deals well into their 30′s should be applauded and not dumped on.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      What is going to suck, from a fan perspective, is that this process is going to result in not just your 2013 Yankees already looking like a very different team than the 2012 team but, potentially, seeing that type of change occur again in 2014 before things start to normalize a bit. That part I’m not necessarily looking forward to but, like I said somewhere, I hope this becomes an interesting footnote in history in retrospect.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Maybe, unlikely but maybe, fans will lower their expectations and be able to enjoy a season where we don’t win the WS, for a year or two.

        I know I’d be pretty excited to watch a core of Heathcott, Austin, Williams and Sanchez lead the 2015 Yankees to a .500 record.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Maybe, unlikely but maybe, fans will lower their expectations and be able to enjoy a season where we don’t win the WS, for a year or two.

          —————–

          A section of fans will be a majority wouldn’t. Truth be told I think even fans that want to see the kids would be bummed out by a few non playoff/low win total yrs

          • Jim Is Bored

            That’s why I said it would be unlikely.

            Id be ok with that for 1-2 years. But sure, Id only enjoy that .500 record if the young guys were growing, we had pitching in the wings, or plans to sign a FA the next year. I don’t want 5 years of rebuilding.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              I don’t want 5 years of rebuilding.

              ———————–

              With this FO I can see it going five yrs

        • dalelama

          You mean like 8 out of the 9 years we have had Aroid?

          • jsbrendog

            can you read?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            No. The 50 you’ve had that hemmorhoid.

            *pats self on back*

      • TrollHunter

        What your describing sounds like rebuilding to me but CashNinja says it’s not. So suckin for at least two years in the hopes of building a better team in three isnt rebuilding? Thats funny!

    • Jersey Joe

      They traded for Vernon Wells. I think that was completely a knee-jerk reaction, and they are paying for a player into his late 30′s.

      I mean it’s a good plan, but only if you follow it.

      • Jim Is Bored

        But we’re paying basically all of his salary for 2013, he’s going to cost us nominally nothing for 2014.

    • Tyler

      YES. This exactly. Such complaining from Yankee fans because were “only” going to have a $180ish million payroll next year for the purpose os saving money, resetting our tax hit, then blowing up payroll again. It is like everyone has forgotten we’ve lead the world in payroll since like 98.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        then blowing up payroll again.

        ——————–

        Why would they do that?

        • Tyler

          I meant “blowing up” to mean they are going to expand it once the tax % is reset. Sorry about that.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            I know what you meant. My point was why would the spend even after the tax is reset?

            • Jim Is Bored

              …That’s the entire reason they’re resetting the tax to begin with. It’s been stated in numerous interviews.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                Cashman stated that his job is to put a team out there that wins for the least amount of money possible. Obviously they aren’t going to have a payroll similar to the Rays but I don’t see them going wild when it comes to money.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  That’s a pretty good goal.

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    It is but when you’re organization that relies so much on outspending your opponents you have to do the other things(trades, development, scouting, etc) very well

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      That’s what I’ve interpreted “becoming the Rays with money” as being, though.

                      We can disagree as to how good they are at those things, but that’s a different topic and I don’t want to spread you too thin on how many different arguments you’re having on this thread. :)

                    • jsbrendog

                      baseball is a game based on advantages. some of these advantages are market inefficiencies. you have to identify them and exploit them. when your business model is jst spend spend spend IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK for a long time because the market shifts, the inefficiencies change and you must find another avenue to exploit. You have to adapt or you will fall behind or become a dinosaur.

                      you can’t spend spend spend. howd that work out for any team ever?

                    • jsbrendog

                      plus, if you bring payroll down, you develop from within, you focus on character, and obp, or whatever the fuck billy beane or some fucking guy in some college is doing and then, since youre the yankees, when you have to, you pony up.

                      itd be really nice to see them get below 189 and then not have to overpay for free agents because “theyre the yankees” and see them say no, we wont pay you that youre not worth it, and then see that person fail in yr 4 of their 8 yr deal somewhere else.

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      @ Rob I don’t mind mixing it up in various topics lol

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      It would be nice to see that and if they were in a better position they could let Cano walk but they are in a situation where they had to pay Jeter, Po, or any other free agent because they had no one else to turn to.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      They’re not paying them because they have no one else to oturn to. They paid them because the Yankees don’t let their icons walk so easily.

                  • Guns

                    It’s a fine goal if you’re continually drafting at the top of the first round and you’ve got a history of drafting players in the first round other than Andrew Brackman, Cito Culver, and Dante Bichette Jr.

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      Culver was such a reach

            • Tyler

              Because they would have more money to spend? That is the whole point of them doing this. That and just getting smarter on handing out big deals to already old/ past-their-prime players.

  • pounder

    I think the Yanks will be sold this coming off season.The money not being spent to accomodate the self inposed salary cap is going directly into the pockets of the “family,friends,organization”etc.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Does it really make sense for them to sell this soon?

  • Hardy

    The 189 plan didn’t leave much room for more multi-year spending. Just look at the 2014 numbers (all luxury tax money in millions):

    Money committed to Rodriguez, Jeter, Teixeira and Sabathia 89.375
    Posssible bonus for Rodriguez and Jeter 13.5
    Benefits and salary for rest of 40 man roster 16

    Total 118.875

    Remaining payroll for the remaining 21 players 70.125

    Money committed to Suzuki 6.5

    Remaining payroll for the remaining 20 players 63.625

    Money reserved for Cano 22

    Remaining payroll for the remaining 19 players 41.625

    Expected arbitration awards for Gardner and Robertson 8.5

    Remaining payroll for the remaining 17 players 33.125

    This comes down to less than 2 million per player for 2/3 of the 25 man roster. There was just no room for the Yankees to take on additional substantial contracts for 2014.

  • LarryM FL

    Not one game of the regular season has been played. So let us wait and see what unfolds with all the moves and non moves.

    The best prospects are safely in the minors. Nunez is getting a good shot at development with the Jeter rehab. Cervelli may turn into a better Martin with some more playing time. Nova and Phelps could progress.

    I’m a fan who believes the glass is half full with our pitching leading the way.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Just stop, Larry. You’re talking like you’re an actual Yankee fan.

      • Meyer Lansky

        Larry stands no chance of having his own blog with that kind of attitude. Marketing, Larry, marketing! Get with the program.

        • jsbrendog

          tomh is gonna clal you a railroad capitalist business school business man!!!! watch out!

    • Guns

      I personally think anyone who is banking on the young pitching (meaning Pineda, Nova & Phelps) is kidding themselves. And that includes Brian Cashman, according to a number of his statements.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        He’s not “banking,” though. He’s just being hopeful.

        I don’t think there’s much “banking” we can do as fans, except for what we do at the ATM.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          In a way he is banking on them though. The future of this franchise is being placed on the shoulders of the young pitching and position players.

          • Jim Is Bored

            And if they don’t work, they will have been below the luxury tax in 2014 which gives them flexibility to go after more FAs.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Hopefully that’s the case.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Larry is doing that?

            • The Big City of Dreams

              I should have said the organization or Cashman my bad. I was referring to Guns post where he brought up Brian and Co.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                To be fair, I can’t keep track of who either of us is responding to here.

          • Guns

            Exactly. Thank you. Not sure why that confused some people.

      • jjyank

        Is Cashman supposed to not talk up his players?

      • Jim Is Bored

        The heck? Are you just supposed to assume that all young players won’t work out? How is that more logical?

        • Guns

          Define what you mean by “work out.” If by work out you mean continue to be a back-end starter than I would agree. What exactly has Nova or Phelps shown you that they’ll be anything more than a #4 or 5? They don’t have any top prospect history to fall back on like Hughes did.

          I personally like Phelps. I could see him exceeding expectations. But I’m not sure what people see in Nova. It’s kind of like Nunez… where the FO and some fans continue to believe he’s better than he really is. I agree with Mike’s assessment that Nova simply lacks deception in his delivery, which helps explain why (in addition to average command) his fastball turn every hitter into an Albert Pujols despite good velocity.

          I also think it’s unrealistic to expect Pineda to continue to have the upside he once had. In fact, I’d say it’s considerably lower…if you get anything from him at all. I’d be thrilled if my opinion turned out to be wrong, but I wouldn’t “bank” on it.

          These are the type of starters that can be found on the cheap nearly every year. Of course it helps the payroll. Phil Hughes, a league average to below average starter, is going to command a big deal in free agency that his production simply doesn’t warrant. But that kind of production is relatively easy to replace. As are Phelps and Nova. Not the kind of players you talk about building your future around, IMO.

    • Buddy

      What are you supposed to “bank” on? Unicorns?

  • Vern Sneaker

    In my opinion, Youkilis with Nix as back-up was not an unreasonable solution to A-Rod’s surgery. Nunez as back-up to Jeter’s foreseeably lengthy recovery was not unreasonable, either, because at some point we have to fish or cut bait with Nunez; he’s not meant to be a DH. So now we’ll find out about him. Tex and Grandy injuries were unforeseeable. Replacements for them were bound to be question marks. Advocating the AAA “kids” as back-ups is unrealistic: they’re just not that good (Mustelier aside). As for offensive bench depth — less important than people imagine. The pitching staff is solid. For me, the winter’s mistake was not signing Swisher (full-time Ichiro is a downgrade), and to a lesser extent Martin. No $$ for them, or at least for Swisher? I don’t buy it. Math me no math.

  • Tyler

    Here is another way of looking at this and the supposed abysmal job Cashman has done this winter while planning for next years “austerity” budget (ask most other fans if they would like it if their team was committed to spending between $170-$190 million, but that is besides the point). The team has lost 4 of its 8 everyday position players, projected for a combined (Granderson = 3.6, Jeter = 2.0, Arod = 2.2, Tex = 3.2) 11 WAR, according to ZIPS.

    Now go to any other team in the game and tell it it has to remove at least 4 of its 8 everyday position players who are projected to accumulate roughly 11 WAR, any way it wants. How is the depth of that team going to look?

    But what Cashman has done has plugged those holes literally as well as you could expect without harming next years payroll goals by giving playing time of guys we already had or signing players to 1 year deals.

    Yea that Cashman has really been a disaster this offseason.

    • Jim Is Bored

      I think the letting go of Swisher/Martin criticisms are fair, if overplayed and overstated.

      Besides that, I’m on your side.

      • Tyler

        I disagree with those criticisms also.

        How long have we as fans been clamoring for the team to stop giving guys already in their 30s/ on the down swings of their careers multi-year deals at big money. But now Cashman is awful because he let Swisher, a 32 year old who got a 5 year deal essentially at big money while we obtained a top 35 pick in the process? It just goes to my point I’ve been harping on above that everyone would not be freaking out nearly as much if half our starting 8 was not on the shelf, but now suddenly its Cashman’s fault because we have no depth and would be so much better off had we signed Swisher.

        The Yankees thinking with Martin, I am pretty certain (and no that Rosenthal tweet or whatever claiming he would’ve stayed here on a 1-year deal is total nonsense and was surprised Mike did not claim the same and instead resorted to his typical Cashman bashing) that the Yankees thinking is that “we can squeeze 2 WAR (Martin’s ZIPS projection) out of whoever we play at catcher these next two years for a fraction of the cost.” Can’t say I disagree with that.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I really only meant fair in the sense that I can see arguments being made on either side. I agree with you in that I think they made the right move.

          • Tyler

            Okay cool sorry about that.

    • Hardy

      The problem is that the Yankees won’t spend 170 million in a vacuum. As per my math above, they will have A-Rod, Jeter, Tex, CC and Ichiro plus 64 million for the rest of the team.
      If you ask most other fans if they would like if their team was committed to that, I am not sure you would find much enthusiasm.

      • Tyler

        Sure now you can complain because of all of the injuries. But I dont remember too many people complaining at the start of EVERY OTHER SEASON minus this one when the Yankees have spent the way they usually spend. It is a risk reward thing, and we got a ring out of it in 09, mostly thanks to Arod. Now what we’re doing is necessary with the “austerity” goal in mind, which makes both baseball and business sense, but no one seems to understand that. We cannot have it both ways.

        • Hardy

          I don’t want it both ways. I want the Yankees to continue to outspend everybody else by a 2.5-1 to 3-1 margin. This might not be profit maximizing, but I don’t care about that, especially after the Yankees got hundreds of millions of dollars of public subsidies for their new stadium.
          And if the Yankees were able to sustain a payroll above 200 million in 2005, they don’t HAVE TO slash the payroll to 175 million in 2014.

          • Tyler

            Sure I want that also, but the alternative (where we’re at right now) really is not the doomsday scenario a lot of others think it is.

  • Eddard

    I think anyone not hopeful about Phelps, Nova and Nuney is kidding themselves. People say, well projections say they won’t be great. Wasn’t Hughes projected to be an ace? He’s not. Was Mariano projected to be the greatest closer of all time? No. Let’s see what they can do. And don’t tell me they’ve already had their chance at the MLB level. You can’t complain about sample size and at the same time use it to justify your argument on these kids.

    Nova had one good season, one bad. Let’s see how he rebounds. Phelps will get a chance to start and be in the pen all season. Nuney gets a chance to play regularly for a couple weeks. Let’s see how they do before we write them off.

  • TrollHunter

    “They really should have been more open to multi-year contracts this past offseason to get cost certainty going into 2014 rather than essentially procrastinating and worrying about it later. This whole thing is completely asinine. What a self-imposed, franchise-undermining nightmare.”

    Completely agree with this! The Boys and Cash’s pride and arrogance is going to drive this franchise into the ground if not careful. I can’t wait to see the empthy seats at the stadium this year!

    • The Big City of Dreams

      I can’t wait to see the empthy seats at the stadium this year!

      —————–

      Hopefully that doesn’t happen but we know the fans won’t stand for the team taking a step back.

      • TrollHunter

        The empty seats last year were shocking to me. I can’t imagine how bad it might be this season. It will be an embarrassment. I live in FL and have been going to Yankees Rays games for years. We the fans used to call Tropicana Field Yankee Stadium south because of the lack of Ray fan support. Now, I’m worried that we might see Tropicana Field north in the Bronx the next couple of seasons. Lets hope not!

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Yep let’s hope not but judging by boards, blogs, callers, and just interactions with ppl off the net the fan base as a whole is down on the team for the first time in a long time.

          • Jim Is Bored

            You must have forgotten October 2008.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              08 is not like this though. They went into the off season, spent big, and put a team on the field that were the favorites to win it all. Fans have been down on this team since free agency started and it’s been one thing after another. They best things that happened so far was Andy, Mo, and Hiro coming back along with Patterson being hired.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I will give you a nice shiny dollar if this even comes remotely close to being true.

          This is so wrong on so many levels.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I’ll change my handle to TrollHunter’s B*TCH if the Yankees attendance falls to TB’s levels.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Dalek Jeter will eats a bag of his balls if it happens.

              #noididntaskhiminadvance

            • TrollHunter

              Prediction: 1)Yankees finish 4th this season and Rays win World Series. 2)Next season Yankees are last place and Rays 1st place at all star break.3) Jim is Bored becomes my B*TCH! :)

              • jsbrendog

                he is a shitty bitch. not that i , uhm, er, would know…i mean i dont;….uhm….he still owes me money

  • moonimus

    I can understand the frustration and at some point the grumbling needs to stop but I think Mike is more than entitled to bitch and moan about current state. In season analysis and reference to the bad offseason then would be more annoying for me. Eventually, we all need to get over it.

    Just want to agree on what some have said regarding the lack of good youth to lock up. You could argue that they should have locked up Cano for a longer period of time and let someone else deal with the wrong side of his 30s. I do not see this as a period of trading prospects for bad vets like in the 80s and early 90s. The only prospect trade I didn’t like was the Arodys Vizcaino but he’s been hurt so tough to say how that will work out. The Granderson trade continues to pay dividends though Curtis was awful for the last two months last year. Sure I would love to have IPK, Austin Jackson and Phil Coke but that’s a bit unfair. Montero for Pinieda, the jury is still out.

    The Yanks problems are 1) insisting that they wait for guys to hit free agency which is only an advantage if you have an unlimited budget which has for at least one year been taken away. 2) Making some bad bets on their long term deals, so far CC is the only one who looks like he was worth it but anything can happen to a pitcher and 3) being gun shy on the international circuit. I don’t have time to do the research but wasn’t there a chance for the Yanks to get Cespedes and Puig wihtout penalties on the international signing bonus. I definitely could be wrong here but imagine having those two now filling in?

    Our financial might is our biggest advantage. Take that away and the front office needs to work more like everyone else. Getting more cost certainty, extending guys earlier and having better luck in our player development.

    All I can really say is if the Yanks make the playoffs this year, it will truly be a team effort. Would love to see Rivera one last time in the playoffs dashing the hopes of the opposition.

    • TrollHunter

      +1

  • Kosmo

    All things considered NY is still the team to beat in the AL East. ALL AL East teams are flawed. Yanks possess a great pitching staff and their offense is more than good enough to compete. 92 win season.

    • jsbrendog

      josh johnson and jose reyes WILL get hurt. does that mean it will be enough to go to the dl? maybe not. will it be a lingering thing that nags and drags down performance? maybe not. but two guys who have pretty much never not gotten hurt will get hurt. they said themselves their 2b options arent everyday players. rasmus hasnt shown or done much. lawrie has potential but could be just like hosmer and butler and suck for another yr or twobefore starting to figure it out. ra dickey is a wildcard having not only come form nowhere but now being in the al beast and not the nl. josh thole is their catcher. melky is coming off steroid suspension and could very well be a hoax.

      the red sox stating rotation looks almost as bad as Houston’s. they have no ortiz, middlebrooks who could be a hoax or experience a sophmore slump, a no hit ss replacing a concussed and not recovering kinda maybe hit a little ss, a C duo that either hits it out of the park or does nothing, a closer from the nl central (and refuse to use bailey for some reason) and their OF is taco bellsbury and the blechs.

      the O’s will not even come close to the winning % in 1 run games they had last yr. it is regression to the mean. doesnt mean they wont be good but their staff is hammel, who had very little success pre last yr and could also be a hoax, an unproven kid, and guys that have the talent but never figured it out and havealready show flashes and then regressed again (tillman/matusz) their 3b is a young prospect who could be a star or could be nothing. their 2b is a walking sheet of ice that could shatter at any moment and there is no way jim johnson is one of the best closers again with such high contact rates and low k rates.

      the rays offense is still even now kinda shitty. their staff is a bit weaker since shields was a given and now cobb is an unknown and hellickosn hasnt exactly blown doors down. etc etc etc etc

      every team has glaring weaknesses and could be a disaster or a surprise. i would not be shocked if ANY team in the east won the division.

      so, in conclusion, simon and simon were not brothers in real life but only on television…
      no wait….sorry, it was why is everyone complaining? for fuck sake

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    Too many replies to read here, but i just wanted to voice how much i agree with Mike’s article, especially the 3rd & 4th points. It was fool hardy during the winter to ignore some of the obvious problems the team has, and now it’s just a sad state of affairs what they are doing with some damn good money. Giving Youkilis and Wells a combined $25 million just makes me want to pull my hair out & i don’t even have a ton left to “yank” from the dome. There was talent out there to be had, good players coming off very solid years that were interested to come here but the defiant nature of the ownership to spend money was a greivous errors, something that we all knew here.

    Obviously, im a fan & ill watch the games but the season and it’s success is clearly not hinging on talent, but prayer & luck. Im not saying management should have known Granderson & Tex would get injured; but the line up needed a boost or a jolt of some kind and it never came. It wasn’t as if we had to have Hamilton or someone of his stature but changes needed to be made. Now if we get to the mid season & the team is actually neck in neck for the race, say goodbye to our better prospects cause they will be goners.

  • ClusterAustinDuck

    1) Agree about Rondon. Seems weird to put him in the rotation.

    2)Disagree about the 3B moves. Youlilis, with Nix and Mustelier is a reasonable course of action while A-Rod mends.

  • Scott

    We’re learning more re last bench spots:

    1) Overbay/Rivera platoon looking likely –> less likey Youk plays 1B –> less likely Musty plays any 3B

    2) Ichiro in CF –> less likely Mesa is backup OF

    3) with 8 IF spots (2 C, 2 1B, Cano, Nunez, Youk, and Nix as backup IF), Hafner at DH, and 3 regular OF (Gardy/Wells/Ichiro), we’re down to 1 OF spot as the last roster decision
    –> So we may be down to 1 last non-pitching roster decision, and it’s that they can take only 1 of Boesch/Francisco/Musty. I’m pulling for Musty, because he has a better chance than Boesch to be an above-average hitter

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “I’m pulling for Musty, because he has a better chance than Boesch to be an above-average hitter”

      One’s already done it in the majors. The other one hasn’t.

    • jsbrendog

      “I’m pulling for Musty, because he has a better chance than Boesch to be an above-average hitter”

      yeah? the guy with absolutely 0 ML success whatsoever has a better chance than the guy who 2 yrs ago had a well above avg yr and has actally been an above average hitter in the major leagues?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        JUST GIVE THE KID A CHANCE!

        *cougholderthanboeschcough*

        • Scott

          Congrats on looking up their ages and citing them in a juvenile fashion!

          Seriously, tell me which guy has a better chance of, say, an 800 OPS:

          1) Boesch is a 27 yr-old with a pretty clear clear track: OPS mid-700s in AAA; OPS low-700s in MLB, with the variation around that mean (799 in 2011, 659 in 2012) looking unfavorable.

          2) Mustelier is 28 but doesn’t have 5-6 yrs of mediocrity under his belt like Boesch: since defecting he’s basically had 1 full yr in the minors, where his OPS was .875, including .815 in barely a half-yr of AAA.

          There’s a chance Musty is worse than Boesch in MLB, yes; he’s unproven, so there’s always the “who knows.” But whereas there’s very little chance Boesch becomes a solid hitter, there’s a real chance Musty is.

      • Scott

        No, Boesch has little shot at above-average hitting:

        - Age 24: OPS .828 in full yr at AA – not bad but not evidence of a future superstar

        - Age 25: only 58 AB @AAA, then full-season MLB OPS .736 (OPS+ 97)

        - Age 26: the big career year – OPS .799, OPS+ 117

        - Age 27: OPS .659, OPS+ 77

        CAREER: Minor-league OPS .753, then MLB OPS .729 – pretty consistent.

        Oh, and BBREF has his defense being shitty, such that in 3 yrs MLB, his oWAR is 2.3 while his dWAR is -2.4.

        That said, unlike Francisco he’s in the ballpark of average and younger, so who knows, maybe some coaching can fix something and make him better — but while that gets figured out, he’s a classic guy you stash at AAA to see if you can improve him.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Can I just say that, no matter what side of this you were on, this was the best thread EVER?

    • True Pinstriped Blue

      No, not really. Unfortunately you polluted the entire thing yet again.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I polluted your mother too.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    I’m not going to desert the team, I will be as frustrated as anyone with this year’s performance. But, I won’t run from it.

    They botched the off-season a bit. I’d really like to see them build a new core from within, but that won’t happen overnight. If two out of the big 4 in our system can become solid everyday MLBers, that’s be awesome. If they make it to that point by Opening Day 2015 – megaBONUS.

    But where my concerns lie is that the structure of MLB is changing (has changed) and the Yankees may pay for it for more than one or two years. Impact, franchise-changing free agents aren’t hitting the market anymore. They’re all getting locked up young. And seemingly the only way to get some of the premier players n the coming years would be to gut our core that we’re trying to develop.

    My issue isn’t precisely with Palpatine’s Executive Order 189. It’s with the difficulty I sense that we’re going to have in trying to snare FAs away. The best ones don’t hit the market anymore.

    The only one on the horizon that I see a chance we’ll actually get to make a play on (and have to overpay) is Elvis Andrus.

  • Pat D

    Has the fucking season started yet????

  • rev maximus

    RAB such a Downer. C’mon, its like an anti Yankee place now.
    Its going to be a great year.

  • m

    great year great times play ball

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    Excellent point by Cuso. I had this discussion with a fellow fan at some point during the hot stove season when i was growing increasingly frustrated & bewildered at the Yankees complete lack of activity and he told me “oh don’t worry too much, soon King Felix, Verlander (and so on and so forth) will be out there and that will be the time to open up the checkbook”. I quickly told him there is no way these guys will be out there. The economic system of baseball has shifted; The guy’s teams can sign them now where as in the old days the Yankees could overwhelm them with money and before u knew it they were getting sized for pinstripes.

    For competitive balance of course it’s great. But for the Yankees, it changes things but it’s far from a death knell. Clearly two things MUST change for this club; For one, the team has to do better with it’s prospects. They don’t need to produce a ROY every single season, but prospects are flopping and flopping. At some point, someone has to come up from the system with the talent and tools and ready to help. I think we have all seen enough back up infielders and 4th rotation starters to last a lifetime Someone in the system needs to be held accountable for doing a better job with the young players as well as those drafting them. The other thing is mgmt. needs to do a better job of getting in on international players. I understand Adrian Hernandez turned out to be a dud at 3B but the Yankees should have been way more in on Cespedes amongst others than they were. I also recognize what a complete bust Kei Igawa was, but alot of reporters claimed that’s why Cashman was gunshy on Darvish and while that’s not necessarily likely if it is, enough already get back on the horse. The Yankees need to gamble a little bit on an international talent already and get over that fear.