Thursday Night Open Thread


No camp notes tonight, sorry. You folks know how these things work, so have at it.

Categories : Asides, Open Thread


  1. Barry's Gift Basket says:

    FanGraphs ranked the Yankee catchers 29th out of 30 in their 2013 positional power rankings, so there is that.

  2. Pasta says:

    No wright tonight but dickey has the knucler dipping and diving.

    • Erica says:

      You have a wonderful username.

    • forensic says:

      Well clearly it’s middle school, so of course Willie freakin’ Bloomquist has to play over probably the U.S.’s best hitter so far.

      I’m sure his season would be ruined if he didn’t get his 3 AB’s tonight…

      • forensic says:

        Ok, good, at least he’s out for a sort of real reason, but the point still stands with how Torre is managing this team.

  3. Pasta says:

    Yanks got rocked today. Ramirez had an awful outing, four walks and two hits and only one recorded out. Warren got rocked, even Pinder had a bad outing.

    Very interesting rumor coming out of Yankees camp. Some in the org, to date a minority, want Heathcott to come north with the team. It would be a huge deal for a prospect who hasn’t played above High A (other than the AFL). Probably won’t happen, but says a lot about the kid that they’re even entertaining the notion.

    • jjyank says:

      Link? That’s interesting. He won’t, and shouldn’t go north with the big league club, but assuming you’re right, it’s real cool that he’s made that sort of impression.

    • Erica says:

      Always good to be in a conversation regarding promotion, right??

    • Bo Knows says:

      Ramirez had his ass handed to him, but at least in his defense he has never seen that quality of hitters before since he was only in Tampa last year so he doesn’t yet know how to navigate a strong lineup (I don’t know who the Jays fielded but even AAA/AAAA fodder is much tougher than anyone he’s faced before) when he doesn’t have his best stuff.

      Warren doesn’t have that excuse, he’s been in AAA soon to be 3 straight seasons, he should be able to be at least mediocre against a MLB lineup, and half-decent against a AAA one.

      • Chip Off the Ol'Knoblauch says:

        Rasmus, Cabrera, Bautista, and Lind were the notables I remember. Ironically, Bautista was the one who struck out twice in that debacle of a first inning. I agree the Ramirez has a pass for being in Tampa and Warren is just SOL. Brutally painful to listen to.

  4. Cool Lester Smooth says:

    Bullpen Banter had Tyler Austin as their #60 overall prospect.

    The link has 3 scouting reports on him.

    Same for Slade Heathcott, who was at #83

  5. Erica says:

    Anyone watching the Rangers tonight? Knicks? Are the Knicks still considered a professional basketball team?

    Hope everyone’s been well! I know I posted a lot more last season; took a break after the madness. I’m looking forward to this season more than ever because of all the challenges this team is facing.

    Two Yanks/baseball related things:

    1) I’ll be going to Opening Day! (It was my birthday present from my boyfriend.) So I’m sure I’ll have some kind of review, including what it’s going to be like to cheer for Kevin Youkilis.

    2) I just joined my first fantasy baseball league with coworkers. I’m looking forward to learning more about baseball so I can keep up with you kids.


  6. Big Member says:

    still have openenings for the unofficial first anal RAB VIM baseball fantasy league.

    Yahoo Fantasy
    League ID#: 104187
    Password: riverave

    Draft is this Sunday.

  7. Ray finkle says:

    Wonder if a trade will happen with the Rangers. Since they been scouting each other. Hopefully Olt

  8. Alkaline says:

    I haven’t taken a day off in 14 months at work. I’m thinking personal day for opening day and enjoy the game from home. I’m excited.

    • Erica says:

      Definitely worth it! Wow, that’s pretty hard work to keep going with no day off. Commendable!

      • Alkaline says:

        It’s a long story, but I’ve had days off per say. I only just got FT in October, but I was PT accruing time I never used the year before that.

  9. forensic says:

    Please, please let the Dominican Republic be eliminated in these next two games. Watching some of their players and their reactions to everything bugs me to no end. It’s even worse than how NFL players react to every little play they make.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      If someone doesn’t look and act like me, I hate ‘em! Those African-Americans and their fuzzball are da worst, but dem der Latinos and der baseball is buggin me too alright. What are you, in the KKK or something?

      • forensic says:

        Yup, you sure figured me out, that’s exactly what I said…

        If only Mike wasn’t on vacation, if absurdly accusing someone of being a racist and in the KKK doesn’t violate the commenting guidelines, I don’t know what does.

        Of course, nothing would happen anyway since you constantly violate that guideline and they never do anything about it anyway.

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Can you read, or are you actually that bad at reading comprehension?

  10. Jack says:

    Can someone explain to me how Jurickson Profar and Kenley Jensen joined team Netherlands when neither of them are from there.

    • forensic says:

      Because they’re from Curacao, which is a part of the Kingdom of Netherlands. That’s also why Andruw Jones and Andrelton Simmons, among others, play for them.

    • Mike Eder says:

      Curacao is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    • Barry's Gift Basket says:

      You could say the same about many guys that played for Italy and Spain… Actually Spain only had one player, actually born in that country, playing in the WBC. I don’t see anything wrong with that btw.

      I´ve lived in Spain, 95% of the population can’t spell Baseball… or beisbol actually.

      People from Italy know a little more about baseball, Bologna has a good team, tickets for Fortitudo Bologna are worth like 3 dollars and most of the time you can get to the stadium for free… ahh good times, but i digress.

  11. Havok9120 says:

    Rushed that throw, Jose. You had time. Still a nice play though.

    Let’s do something with this runner.

  12. djyank says:

    opening day:

    jeter (ss)
    suzuki (rf)
    cano (2b)
    youkilis (3b)
    hafner (dh)
    rivera (1b)
    francisco (lf)
    cervelli (c)
    gardner (cf)

    no reason for jeter to dh opening day even though it’s a lefty (lester)

  13. forensic says:

    Wow, I wish Brooks was tracking this strike zone. It’d be right up there with Eric Gregg in the 1997 playoffs.

    • Tom says:

      It was brutal with or without Brooks. I’m not sure if the MLB Network strikezone uses pitch f/x, but they had it in the opposing batter’s box.

      This is one of the issues with the catcher framing studies. The catcher gets all the “credit” for framing that pitch when it obviously has nothing to do with the catcher skill (in fact Arencibia actually caught it poorly as his glove went down and further outside). With 60+ umpires calling balls and strikes not all catchers (especially backups) catch in front of the same umpire distribution.

      • Manny's BanWagon says:


        While there may be some value to pitch framing, I think it lags far behind the more mainstream defensive metrics which themselves aren’t that reliable or accurate yet. Anyone who assumes that teams are making major personnel moves based on pitch framing doesn’t understand the significant limitations of that statistic.

        • Tom says:

          Yeah, didn’t mean to imply there is no value to it, just the current quantification pretty much assumes 100% of an extra ball or strike is related to catcher skill.

          Without accounting for count (framing a 3-0 pitch vs a 2-2 pitch), pitch type (fastball vs AJ Burnett knucklecurve) and umpire, I think the valuation is probably overstated.

          Teams may do some more exotic controls for some of these variables but the public work that people like to quote does not control for a lot of the variables. I’m guessing they factor it in somewhat to personnel decisions, but it’s not like you can trade 10 runs saved of framing vs 10 runs of offense and pretend do that accurately.

          • Manny's BanWagon says:

            If all else is relatively equal, I can buy that a team could use pitch framing to help decide between players but I’ve seen it used to make the argument that Chris Stewart is a lot better than he appears to be based on conventional metrics and I think that’s a pretty huge stretch that I frankly don’t believe to be true.

        • Cool Lester Smooth says:

          It might be that they’re making those personnel moves based on their own proprietary pitch framing statistics.

          • Manny's BanWagon says:

            Possibly but to assume it plays a major role in making personnel decisions is pure speculation. I still haven’t seen any front office exec quoted as saying they weigh pitch framing data prominently.

            • Cool Lester Smooth says:

              But could there really be any other possible explanation for Jose Molina being Tampa’s starting catcher?

              • Manny's BanWagon says:

                Maybe because they can’t afford anyone much better has something to do with it too. Could framing play a part, very possible but as Tom mentioned above I think it’s being overstated.

  14. forensic says:

    Screw you Kimbrel.

    And geez am I tired of these Dominican reactions. Acting like he just won Game 7 of the World Series when they already had the damn lead and it’s not even the Finals yet.

    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR) says:

      I know. REALLY unclassy to run onto the field celebrating before the game is even over. Kind of a douchey move.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      So enlightened. Act like an Amurican dangitall! None of these funny Latino cultures for me!

      • forensic says:

        And again, you figured me out.

        It sure has nothing to do with wanting players to act with some sort of adult professionalism, dignity, and respect for the game and their opponents.

        Nope, it’s all because I’m a racist KKK member…

      • Bo Knows says:

        Two quick questions: do you have some kind of medical condition that makes you incapable of filtering the overwhelming dickish statements you make or do you just get off on being condescending bastard?

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Dude. I never used to be one of the people who disliked you, but do you need to act like a douche? Nobody here mentioned anything about latino culture, but there IS such a thing as sportsmanship and professionalism, and running out on the field like the game is over when the other team hasn’t gone up to bat yet is insulting and amateurish. And I don’t give a shit what culture you’re from.

      • johnnybk says:

        Maybe you are the racist for saying “they’re just acting latino”

        I do get it though. It’s a huge moment in a tough, tough game between two very good teams, and they just finally broke through. Those guys loved the game before they ever got paid for it and I could see the opportunity to play it like you did when there was no money bringing put a certain childlike enthusiasm.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          It’s really rude because they’re acting like they won when 1) The inning isn’t over, and 2) the home team hasn’t even batted yet.

          Game’s not over, guys.

  15. Pasta says:

    Just saying tejada would not be a bad pickup plays 3rd and 1st hits better than average still some power.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      He hasn’t hit better than average since 2009.

    • forensic says:


      The same guy who didn’t even play in the majors last year?

      The same guy who, the year before in 2011, hit so bad that he was released by the bad hitting Giants?

      The same guy who has broken a 92 OPS+ once since 2007?

      The same guy who’s never played a game in his life at 1st base?

  16. Pasta says:

    This umpire is horrible

    • Gotham City's Mayor says:

      It’s Angel Hernandez, what do you expect.

      • Bob Buttons says:

        An UFO crashes onto the baseball field, and an identical Angel Hernandez pops out, exclaims “I’M THE REAL ANGEL HERNANDEZ!” and they do an ump-off and the real Angel Hernandez asked someone to shoot them both just to be safe.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          And they figure out who the real Angel Hernandez is by looking at who calls the worse game.

  17. Manny's BanWagon says:

    No Carmelo, Amare or Chandler tonight for the Knicks.

    JR Smith will probably jack up 35 shots and the Knicks will lose by 20+ points again.

  18. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’m very sorry I missed most of Erica’s triumphant return tonight, but I was making multiple batches of black bean hummus……with a baby food maker. *sigh*

    Anyways, if Jose Ramirez and Adam Warren fall in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, did it really happen?

    • MannyGeee says:

      Yes, it would sound like a bunch of lumber hitting leather, and everyone in Toronto prematurely celebrating “the falling of the evil empire”…

  19. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR) says:

    People who care: I just sold our first 100 dollar ad for the show. We are now only 175 dollars away from our goal.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Way to go. People do say the first ___ dollars is always the hardest.

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        I do, in fact, have 300 dollars already-but these are donations from family members. This ad is the first amount of money we’ve gotten from an actual outside source-and that is REALLY cool.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          Remember that awesome feeling of getting that first one and you’d probably be much more motivated. Not many non-firsts can compete with firsts.

  20. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Lesson of the overnight: if you want people to reply to your comments, just refer to them as being part of the Ku Klux Klan.

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