Thursday Night Open Thread

Hughes fine after live batting practice, will throw simulated game on Monday
Brown: Derrek Lee staying retired, will not join Yankees

No camp notes tonight, sorry. You folks know how these things work, so have at it.

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Hughes fine after live batting practice, will throw simulated game on Monday
Brown: Derrek Lee staying retired, will not join Yankees
  • Barry’s Gift Basket

    FanGraphs ranked the Yankee catchers 29th out of 30 in their 2013 positional power rankings, so there is that.

    • trr

      jesus, who was 30th?

      • Barry’s Gift Basket

        The Marlins and Jeff “Yankee killer” Mathis.

        • Ted Nelson

          Brantly probably starts for them.

    • Laz

      Disagree with their rankings. Although NYY Catcher still would be in bottom half.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      But but but what about pitch framing??????.?

      • Ted Nelson

        Yes, because fWAR factors in pitch framing. You are so sharp!

        • Ted Nelson

          Funny thing is that they do mention framing as a positive. LOL!!! Fool.

  • Pasta

    No wright tonight but dickey has the knucler dipping and diving.

    • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

      You have a wonderful username.

    • forensic

      Well clearly it’s middle school, so of course Willie freakin’ Bloomquist has to play over probably the U.S.’s best hitter so far.

      I’m sure his season would be ruined if he didn’t get his 3 AB’s tonight…

      • forensic

        Ok, good, at least he’s out for a sort of real reason, but the point still stands with how Torre is managing this team.

  • Pasta

    Yanks got rocked today. Ramirez had an awful outing, four walks and two hits and only one recorded out. Warren got rocked, even Pinder had a bad outing.

    Very interesting rumor coming out of Yankees camp. Some in the org, to date a minority, want Heathcott to come north with the team. It would be a huge deal for a prospect who hasn’t played above High A (other than the AFL). Probably won’t happen, but says a lot about the kid that they’re even entertaining the notion.

    • jjyank

      Link? That’s interesting. He won’t, and shouldn’t go north with the big league club, but assuming you’re right, it’s real cool that he’s made that sort of impression.

    • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

      Always good to be in a conversation regarding promotion, right??

    • Bo Knows

      Ramirez had his ass handed to him, but at least in his defense he has never seen that quality of hitters before since he was only in Tampa last year so he doesn’t yet know how to navigate a strong lineup (I don’t know who the Jays fielded but even AAA/AAAA fodder is much tougher than anyone he’s faced before) when he doesn’t have his best stuff.

      Warren doesn’t have that excuse, he’s been in AAA soon to be 3 straight seasons, he should be able to be at least mediocre against a MLB lineup, and half-decent against a AAA one.

      • Chip Off the Ol’Knoblauch

        Rasmus, Cabrera, Bautista, and Lind were the notables I remember. Ironically, Bautista was the one who struck out twice in that debacle of a first inning. I agree the Ramirez has a pass for being in Tampa and Warren is just SOL. Brutally painful to listen to.

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Bullpen Banter had Tyler Austin as their #60 overall prospect.

    http://bullpenbanter.com/tyler.....3-top-100/

    The link has 3 scouting reports on him.

    Same for Slade Heathcott, who was at #83

    http://bullpenbanter.com/slade.....3-top-100/

  • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

    Anyone watching the Rangers tonight? Knicks? Are the Knicks still considered a professional basketball team?

    Hope everyone’s been well! I know I posted a lot more last season; took a break after the madness. I’m looking forward to this season more than ever because of all the challenges this team is facing.

    Two Yanks/baseball related things:

    1) I’ll be going to Opening Day! (It was my birthday present from my boyfriend.) So I’m sure I’ll have some kind of review, including what it’s going to be like to cheer for Kevin Youkilis.

    2) I just joined my first fantasy baseball league with coworkers. I’m looking forward to learning more about baseball so I can keep up with you kids.

    :)

    • Jacob the OG

      I am a huge knicks fan but I have to agree with you, they look like a church league team.

      • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

        It’s sad. There must be some kind of hex on that team!

    • trr

      glad to have you, Erica…there’s so many guys here it’s like a gay bar on Men’s Night…

      • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

        I mean if there’s beer specials, I can see why the crowds would amass.

        • jjyank

          Another season, another FIP?

          • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

            Hahahaha, I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t be surprised to see another FIP.

            Is Betty Lizard still here? She had a total crush on Russell Martin. She should have the FIP-torch passed to her.

            • jjyank

              She’s around, but the FIP torch is always yours. Sorry. I’m stubborn with my memes.

            • Barry’s Gift Basket

              Betty is around, and there is another girl… Vicky is her name I think.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Rules are rules, Erica. FIP stays with you.

  • Big Member

    still have openenings for the unofficial first anal RAB VIM baseball fantasy league.

    Yahoo Fantasy
    League ID#: 104187
    Password: riverave

    Draft is this Sunday.

    • Laz

      Is any probing involved?

  • Ray finkle

    Wonder if a trade will happen with the Rangers. Since they been scouting each other. Hopefully Olt

    • jjyank

      EINHORN IS A MAN! EINHORN IS A MAN!!

      I’m sorry to jack your comment. I couldn’t resist.

    • Yankonymous

      Joba + ? to get Skinny Elvis?

      Jeter and his body-length range move to 3rd. :)

    • Pasta

      Olt would take joba, high a prospect and another pitcher at the least.

  • Alkaline

    I haven’t taken a day off in 14 months at work. I’m thinking personal day for opening day and enjoy the game from home. I’m excited.

    • https://twitter.com/Erica_Lynnnn Erica

      Definitely worth it! Wow, that’s pretty hard work to keep going with no day off. Commendable!

      • Alkaline

        It’s a long story, but I’ve had days off per say. I only just got FT in October, but I was PT accruing time I never used the year before that.

  • forensic

    Please, please let the Dominican Republic be eliminated in these next two games. Watching some of their players and their reactions to everything bugs me to no end. It’s even worse than how NFL players react to every little play they make.

    • Ted Nelson

      If someone doesn’t look and act like me, I hate ‘em! Those African-Americans and their fuzzball are da worst, but dem der Latinos and der baseball is buggin me too alright. What are you, in the KKK or something?

      • forensic

        Yup, you sure figured me out, that’s exactly what I said…

        If only Mike wasn’t on vacation, if absurdly accusing someone of being a racist and in the KKK doesn’t violate the commenting guidelines, I don’t know what does.

        Of course, nothing would happen anyway since you constantly violate that guideline and they never do anything about it anyway.

        • Bob Buttons

          I know what does violate the commenting guidelines if absurdly accusing someone of being a racist and in the KKK.

          Accusing TWO people of being a racist in the KKK!

          *cricket*

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You three fucking white supremacist bastards. I swear.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I thought Mike banned that clown. For shame.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Can you read, or are you actually that bad at reading comprehension?

  • Jack

    Can someone explain to me how Jurickson Profar and Kenley Jensen joined team Netherlands when neither of them are from there.

    • forensic

      Because they’re from Curacao, which is a part of the Kingdom of Netherlands. That’s also why Andruw Jones and Andrelton Simmons, among others, play for them.

    • http://www.itsaboutthemoney.net Mike Eder

      Curacao is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    • Barry’s Gift Basket

      You could say the same about many guys that played for Italy and Spain… Actually Spain only had one player, actually born in that country, playing in the WBC. I don’t see anything wrong with that btw.

      I´ve lived in Spain, 95% of the population can’t spell Baseball… or beisbol actually.

      People from Italy know a little more about baseball, Bologna has a good team, tickets for Fortitudo Bologna are worth like 3 dollars and most of the time you can get to the stadium for free… ahh good times, but i digress.

      • Jack

        Lucky you, I wish I lived in Spain. The women there are beautiful!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’d weigh 800 pounds if I lived in Spain, I swear.

          • Bob Buttons

            But I thought getting it on burns calories?

  • Havok9120

    Rushed that throw, Jose. You had time. Still a nice play though.

    Let’s do something with this runner.

  • djyank

    opening day:

    jeter (ss)
    suzuki (rf)
    cano (2b)
    youkilis (3b)
    hafner (dh)
    rivera (1b)
    francisco (lf)
    cervelli (c)
    gardner (cf)

    no reason for jeter to dh opening day even though it’s a lefty (lester)

    • MannyGeee

      If you think Jeter is missing opening day, then you are not a student of history…

  • forensic

    Wow, I wish Brooks was tracking this strike zone. It’d be right up there with Eric Gregg in the 1997 playoffs.

    • Tom

      It was brutal with or without Brooks. I’m not sure if the MLB Network strikezone uses pitch f/x, but they had it in the opposing batter’s box.

      This is one of the issues with the catcher framing studies. The catcher gets all the “credit” for framing that pitch when it obviously has nothing to do with the catcher skill (in fact Arencibia actually caught it poorly as his glove went down and further outside). With 60+ umpires calling balls and strikes not all catchers (especially backups) catch in front of the same umpire distribution.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        Exactly.

        While there may be some value to pitch framing, I think it lags far behind the more mainstream defensive metrics which themselves aren’t that reliable or accurate yet. Anyone who assumes that teams are making major personnel moves based on pitch framing doesn’t understand the significant limitations of that statistic.

        • Tom

          Yeah, didn’t mean to imply there is no value to it, just the current quantification pretty much assumes 100% of an extra ball or strike is related to catcher skill.

          Without accounting for count (framing a 3-0 pitch vs a 2-2 pitch), pitch type (fastball vs AJ Burnett knucklecurve) and umpire, I think the valuation is probably overstated.

          Teams may do some more exotic controls for some of these variables but the public work that people like to quote does not control for a lot of the variables. I’m guessing they factor it in somewhat to personnel decisions, but it’s not like you can trade 10 runs saved of framing vs 10 runs of offense and pretend do that accurately.

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            If all else is relatively equal, I can buy that a team could use pitch framing to help decide between players but I’ve seen it used to make the argument that Chris Stewart is a lot better than he appears to be based on conventional metrics and I think that’s a pretty huge stretch that I frankly don’t believe to be true.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          It might be that they’re making those personnel moves based on their own proprietary pitch framing statistics.

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            Possibly but to assume it plays a major role in making personnel decisions is pure speculation. I still haven’t seen any front office exec quoted as saying they weigh pitch framing data prominently.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              But could there really be any other possible explanation for Jose Molina being Tampa’s starting catcher?

              • Manny’s BanWagon

                Maybe because they can’t afford anyone much better has something to do with it too. Could framing play a part, very possible but as Tom mentioned above I think it’s being overstated.

  • forensic

    Screw you Kimbrel.

    And geez am I tired of these Dominican reactions. Acting like he just won Game 7 of the World Series when they already had the damn lead and it’s not even the Finals yet.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

      I know. REALLY unclassy to run onto the field celebrating before the game is even over. Kind of a douchey move.

      • forensic

        Twice…

        And that doesn’t even begin to describe their assholishness (yeah, I went there…).

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

          Hey, I agree.

          • forensic

            I know, I was just going further.

    • Ted Nelson

      So enlightened. Act like an Amurican dangitall! None of these funny Latino cultures for me!

      • forensic

        And again, you figured me out.

        It sure has nothing to do with wanting players to act with some sort of adult professionalism, dignity, and respect for the game and their opponents.

        Nope, it’s all because I’m a racist KKK member…

      • Bo Knows

        Two quick questions: do you have some kind of medical condition that makes you incapable of filtering the overwhelming dickish statements you make or do you just get off on being condescending bastard?

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Dude. I never used to be one of the people who disliked you, but do you need to act like a douche? Nobody here mentioned anything about latino culture, but there IS such a thing as sportsmanship and professionalism, and running out on the field like the game is over when the other team hasn’t gone up to bat yet is insulting and amateurish. And I don’t give a shit what culture you’re from.

      • johnnybk

        Maybe you are the racist for saying “they’re just acting latino”

        I do get it though. It’s a huge moment in a tough, tough game between two very good teams, and they just finally broke through. Those guys loved the game before they ever got paid for it and I could see the opportunity to play it like you did when there was no money bringing put a certain childlike enthusiasm.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          It’s really rude because they’re acting like they won when 1) The inning isn’t over, and 2) the home team hasn’t even batted yet.

          Game’s not over, guys.

  • Pasta

    Just saying tejada would not be a bad pickup plays 3rd and 1st hits better than average still some power.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      He hasn’t hit better than average since 2009.

    • forensic

      Really?

      The same guy who didn’t even play in the majors last year?

      The same guy who, the year before in 2011, hit so bad that he was released by the bad hitting Giants?

      The same guy who has broken a 92 OPS+ once since 2007?

      The same guy who’s never played a game in his life at 1st base?

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        He has name recognition though which must be worth something.

        • forensic

          It’s worth about 2 years and $13 million apparently.

          /Axisa’d

          ;-)

        • Tom

          It’s not worth 2 years and $17million

          /Martin’d

  • Pasta

    This umpire is horrible

    • Gotham City’s Mayor

      It’s Angel Hernandez, what do you expect.

      • Bob Buttons

        An UFO crashes onto the baseball field, and an identical Angel Hernandez pops out, exclaims “I’M THE REAL ANGEL HERNANDEZ!” and they do an ump-off and the real Angel Hernandez asked someone to shoot them both just to be safe.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          And they figure out who the real Angel Hernandez is by looking at who calls the worse game.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    No Carmelo, Amare or Chandler tonight for the Knicks.

    JR Smith will probably jack up 35 shots and the Knicks will lose by 20+ points again.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Who? Never heard of them.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’m very sorry I missed most of Erica’s triumphant return tonight, but I was making multiple batches of black bean hummus……with a baby food maker. *sigh*

    Anyways, if Jose Ramirez and Adam Warren fall in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, did it really happen?

    • MannyGeee

      Yes, it would sound like a bunch of lumber hitting leather, and everyone in Toronto prematurely celebrating “the falling of the evil empire”…

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

    People who care: I just sold our first 100 dollar ad for the show. We are now only 175 dollars away from our goal.

    • Bob Buttons

      Way to go. People do say the first ___ dollars is always the hardest.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        I do, in fact, have 300 dollars already-but these are donations from family members. This ad is the first amount of money we’ve gotten from an actual outside source-and that is REALLY cool.

        • Bob Buttons

          Remember that awesome feeling of getting that first one and you’d probably be much more motivated. Not many non-firsts can compete with firsts.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Lesson of the overnight: if you want people to reply to your comments, just refer to them as being part of the Ku Klux Klan.