Game Ten: Strive for Five

(Al Bello/Getty)

(Al Bello/Getty)

Things are a little wacky this week because of the two rainouts, so it’s easy to forget the Yankees have won their last four games. They needed some major luck — dropped fly ball and a triple play, specifically — to continue that streak last night, but hey, everyone gets their fair of luck during the 162-game season. Here’s the starting nine…

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. 2B Robinson Cano
  3. 3B Kevin Youkilis
  4. DH Travis Hafner
  5. LF Vernon Wells
  6. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  7. C Frankie Cervelli
  8. 1B Lyle Overbay
  9. SS Jayson Nix

And on the mound is the 23rd overall pick in the 2004 draft, Phil Hughes.

The weather will finally be a non-factor. It is gorgeous outside. It has been all day and it will be pretty much all week. Hooray for blue skies and sunshine. This afternoon’s game is scheduled to start a little after 4pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Eduardo Nunez Update: Nunez is likely to miss tomorrow’s game as well after taking a pitch to the right wrist last night. The Yankees are off on Monday, so that would give him three consecutive days off.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. SamVa says:

    Can someone explain to me why we haven’t seen Boesch more? I know he was supposed to get the start the other night when they got rained out, but why aren’t we seeing him while Ichiro is putting it together?

    I’m not giving up on Ichiro at all, I just think Boesch still has a lot of talent and potential. I remember loving his swing when I first saw him with Detriot and not being happy when he was at the plate against the Yanks.

    • vicki says:

      i’m with you totally. and i frankly don’t understand why detroit gave up on him so soon. he’s young, has shown some power, and it’s not like they’re stacked at lf.

    • Guns says:


      We haven’t seen him because he’s not good. And he’s not good because he doesn’t have “a lot of talent and potential” that you see.

      And to vicki – Detroit released him because he’s not good. This is shown statistically by amassing a total of 1.4 fWAR in just under 1,500 PA spread over the last three seasons.

      He’s a left handed bat off the bench. Nothing more. And that’s all he really should be at this point. Ichiro can at least provide value defensively while he works out his offensive issues. I think you give him a little while longer to work it out before you start replacing him with Boesch. And by then Granderson should be back anyway.

      • trr says:

        Right now I don’t have a lot of faith in either Suzuki or Boesch. Getting Granderson back (despite all the strikeouts) is going to help. Boesch still has an option left, I think when Granderson comes back, Boesch will see more playing time – in Scranton.

      • Havok9120 says:

        So, if I’m reading you right, you’re saying that he’s not good?

      • vicki says:

        he’s played three seasons in the majors, has hit double-digit homeruns each year, and he’s a year removed from a 116 ops+. i said i don’t know why they gave up on him. they’ve got don kelly and tuiasosopo in left for chrissakes.

        • SamVa says:

          That is what I’m referring to.. To me I’d rather watch someone with potential upside suck, then watch someone decline night after night.

    • forensic says:

      Because he sucks. 4 good months (arguably 5) in 3 MLB seasons carrying all his numbers. I don’t even agree that he has potential as he never did much in the minors either until one fluky power year his last season down there.

      And either way, how would Ichiro put it all together while sitting on the bench watching Boesch play anyway?

  2. Havok9120 says:

    Go Yanks.

    Hanharrarahan just got removed in the 9th after back to back walks. One on 4 pitches. Dude just looks lost up there.

  3. Pat D says:

    I would definitely watch this potential confrontation.


  4. Yay four game winning streak. Hopefully it’s a routine win, it’s Saturday and I need to be out soon. 6-1 Yanks win with a Cano bomb?

  5. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Okay guys, I’ve been sort of peeking in on the comments occasionally during the offseason and a little more for the first couple weeks of the season, so I need someone to catch me up on a few things.

    Important questions:
    - What happened to Big Member? Are he and his ingenious posts gone forever?
    - What is this study of Athenian’s people have been talking about?
    - Which Greg obsessions have I missed? Is he on any particular one right now?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Havok9120 says:

      1. He’s here somewhere and occassionally posts. Last one was a couple nights ago his “inside sauces” informed him that tweet that informed us the game was cancelled was, in fact, a double entendre that we could safely ignore.

      2. During an argument Athenian claimed that he had done a study on blogs, including RAB, that proved that the more times someone accused someone of trolling the higher liklihood that they were a troll. Or that the regulars here were all jerks because they disagreed with him and think he’s a bit daft. Or something. It wasn’t really clear. But now Tilapia (who’s wife tends do actually publish such studies) and others want to actually know what his methods, results, and whatnot were because we’re fairly certain he was just blowing smoke to make himself sound as if he knew what he was talking about as opposed to vaguely sounding like a pompous jackass.

      3. Not really any one in particular at the moment. He’s even gotten away from declaring the game over as soon as the first thing goes wrong.

  6. CountryClub says:

    Keith Law scouting the Charleston game tonight. Campos pitching.

  7. Guns says:

    Watching that reaction to the triple play last night really shows me that these players do care and are emotionally in to every game. They could have just high fived a bit in the dugout… but they acted like a kid who just got off his first roller coaster.

    I can’t remember the last time I was that thrilled with something. I can’t imagine acting that way after finishing a week’s worth of TPS reports, for instance.

  8. Anthony says:

    Nate hasn’t gotten any less annoying since last season.

  9. The Real Greg says:

    Orioles going with the sac bunt in the 1st.

  10. Pat D says:

    Stupid bunt. Thanks, Buck.

  11. Chilango says:

    Philip: it’s not batting practice it’s a real game we good? ok

  12. Anderson Silva says:

    not a good start

  13. Eddard says:

    Kay’s right. It’s stupid to give up an out in the 1st inning, especially with the heart of your order up and the pitcher just gave up a double.

  14. trr says:

    That’s Buck.

  15. Anderson Silva says:

    I’d say there’s an 80% chance Davis takes Hughes deep this game..

  16. Eddard says:

    CC couldn’t miss the strike zone last night. Philbert can’t seem to find it.

  17. CountryClub says:

    Well this ump has a tight zone….to say the least

  18. The Real Greg says:

    How did Phil Hughes win a lot of games last year?

  19. Tut says:

    Hughes with no command

  20. Pat D says:

    Anyone else interested to see that Cervelli is catching? I mean, this is still technically a day game after a night game.

  21. vicki says:

    at least the streets are paved with long relief.

  22. jjyank says:

    Plouffers, you starting Hammel today?

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Nope. I want 0 conflict of interest. I do my best to not start anybody but closers against the Yankees.

      • jjyank says:

        I’m lucky. I have no problem sitting my lesser pitchers against the Yankees (Like AJ Griffen or Jarrod Parker, for example). Two of my better starters are Yankees (Kuroda and Pettitte), and the rest are NL pitchers. I do have Price, but he’s too good to sit against anyone.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          I also have Cueto and Gallardo going for me today, so hopefully they do better than Bag O’ Dicks did yesterday.

          • jjyank says:

            Manny still kicking your ass?

            • Dalek Jeter says:

              10-5, but I feel like I’m in striking distance in every category.

              • jjyank says:

                I’m deadlocked at 8-8 right now. Bumgarner and Price killed it for me today, but I was already ahead in pitching categories, so that didn’t really help. My offense needs to not suck.

                • Dalek Jeter says:

                  Same. Seriously, my “line up” of V-Mart, Seager, Carpenter, Castro, Hafner, Hamilton, Cargo, Bruce and others are hitting like Chris Stewart combined.

                  • jjyank says:

                    One thing I hate about the scoring is that it uses walks instead of BB/9. I’m inning in IP, but I’m losing in walks. Well no shit I have more walks, my team had thrown like 20 more innings. I should be winning 9-7 if they went by BB/9.

          • Pat D says:

            Didn’t Bag O’ Dicks get you the all important W?

  23. vicki says:

    um, guys? hammel walks 3 per nine.

  24. Havok9120 says:


  25. vicki says:

    phil being phil.

  26. Anderson Silva says:

    Hughes is toast… he looks fucking terrible

  27. YankeesJunkie says:

    Not looking good for Hughes.

  28. Pat D says:

    Really, Phil? Flaherty?

  29. Eddard says:

    It’s only Philbert’s 2nd start but he’s got a lot of work to do.

  30. The Real Greg says:

    I’m giving up on this game right now

  31. Pasta says:

    Hughes and joba never recovered from injuries both cooked

  32. Dalek Jeter says:

    Ryan Fucking Flaherty, Phil? This is the guy who’s name is what Oriole fans were using as a euphemism for being terrible. Come on man.

  33. SamVa says:

    Damn it Phillip

  34. Chilango says:

    Phlying Balls Phil pitching in da Bronx. Not good.

  35. Sabine says:

    I rarely leave remarks, but i did a few searching and wound up here Game Ten:
    Strive for Five | River Avenue Blues. And I do have a couple of
    questions for you if you usually do not mind. Could it be only me or does it seem like some of the comments
    appear like they are written by brain dead people?
    :-P And, if you are writing on additional social sites, I’d like to keep up with anything new you have to post. Could you make a list of all of all your shared pages like your twitter feed, Facebook page or linkedin profile?

  36. forensic says:

    Sure am glad Hughes is starting.

    I think we were all getting spoiled with good pitching performances…

  37. JonS says:

    Nova says he wouldn’t have hit a HR, only a 2B.

  38. Pasta says:

    Amazing we have to pray the pineda is not only healed but as good as he was for one half of a season
    Cashman better be right or this season will disapear fast.

  39. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Nate McLOLth.

  40. Anthony says:

    NICE PLAY, screw you McClouth!!!

  41. jjyank says:

    Well at least that one was stopped. I love Cano’s relay throws, so quick.

  42. Anderson Silva says:

    fuck Hughes, bring in Phelps to start next inning..

  43. Pat D says:

    Thanks a bunch, McLouth.

  44. Eddard says:

    Good thing Buck bunted Machado in the 1st inning. More Os baserunning blunders…

  45. vicki says:

    victorino walk-off (single).

  46. Havok9120 says:

    Nice play boys. Now with the bats.

  47. The Real Greg says:

    To clarify, me saying the game was over was more frustration over Phil Hughes than actual logic.

  48. Pat D says:


  49. jjyank says:


  50. The Real Greg says:


  51. Havok9120 says:

    Man. Golfed it into the bullpen.


  52. Mykey says:

    Hafner is a strong, strong man.

  53. Eddard says:

    I always knew Hafner would mash in YS. Great pick up.

  54. forensic says:

    Heh, I was distracted by my boy for a minute, then looked up when I saw the ball heading for the bullpen and just instinctively figured it was Hughes again.

    It’s like a Hughes version of PTSD (maybe PHSD?).

  55. Pasta says:

    What does pronk stad for?

  56. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    LOL Chris Davis.

  57. Eddard says:

    Cervelli just knows how to get on base. The Yankees knew when they let Martin go that they had their starting catcher in Frankie.

  58. vicki says:

    law of averages has some major revenge planned for the o’s.

    • jjyank says:

      Indeed. I’m just glad the Nats are good. Otherwise I’d have a shitload more O’s fans to argue this with.

  59. Dalek Jeter says:


  60. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Brains read that loop perfectly.

  61. Pseudoyanks says:


  62. Havok9120 says:


    Errors, bloops, whatever you got.

  63. Pat D says:

    O’s Magic quickly evaporating. Granted, there are 7 innings left.

  64. Eddard says:

    I love all this contact hitting. They’re putting the ball in play and good things happen. Not as much bust with this lineup.

  65. Pasta says:

    Overbay used to kill us with those back in 2006 with the jays
    Nice to be on the other end.

  66. Cy Pettitte says:

    brand new game for Phil, hopefully he settles down

  67. Pat D says:

    God dammit, Phil.

  68. Mykey says:

    Sheesh Hughes.

  69. Anthony says:

    Okay Phil settle down..

  70. Cy Pettitte says:

    holy hell was that a terrible pitch

  71. Anderson Silva says:

    get his sorry ass outta there… he’s terrible

  72. Pat D says:

    O’Neill making too many excuses for him.

  73. The Real Greg says:

    You can now see why I made my earlier remarks

  74. YankeesJunkie says:

    Some part of me thinks that Hughes won’t figure it out until he is on another team.

    • Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

      He’ll win 200 games with the Giants.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        Hughes has put up some decent numbers the last three years when healthy, but the numbers don’t represent his quality of being a SP clearly. He will get another job somewhere else, but as a Yankee his best role was as a reliever.

    • Guns says:

      He’s nothing more than a slightly above average, mid-rotation starter, regardless of what team he’s on. At some point a player just is who he is. There’s no upside in Phil Hughes anymore.

      • Havok9120 says:

        I think this is incorrect in that a less homer happy park would help him out at least somewhat. I also know there’s always a chance the guy will randomly figure it out. I just no longer expect it to happen with Hughes.

      • forensic says:

        This is even kinder to him than I would be…

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        Put him in San Francisco, Dodges, Seattle, or Miami he could see some marked improvement due to league change and stadium change.

  75. Pasta says:

    Phil going to showers soon.

  76. Raymond Freemont says:

    Won’t miss Phil when he’s gone.

  77. Pat D says:

    We shall see Warren pretty soon.

  78. Cy Pettitte says:

    ok I’ve seen enough Hughes for today

  79. forensic says:

    Yay Hughes!!!

    Finally getting to the bullpen phone. About 2 innings too late in my opinion.

  80. Eddard says:

    You just have to get Phelps warming up now. Phil doesn’t have it today.

  81. The Real Greg says:

    Just an absolute failure when viewed with expectations of being the great prospect.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      Absolute failure, a little to harsh especially compared to Joba. Disappointing, sure, but he has provided innings as #4/3 starter

    • Guns says:

      He hasn’t improved (and some might argue he’s regressed) as a pitcher since coming to the big leagues.

      His velocity has settled comfortably into the 90-92mph range. His curveball is a below average pitch that can be a put away pitch when he’s on. And his cutter/slider/whatever and change up are average to below average as well. Basically “show me” pitches at the big league level.

      That’s pretty exciting for a 19 year old in Double-A. But you would project him to improve on his skills as he got older. Hughes hasn’t gotten better and he struggles to stay healthy to top it off.

  82. Pasta says:

    I wonder if we see Wang soon if the pitching stays this bad in the end of the rotation.

  83. Mykey says:

    Well that was fortunate.

  84. trr says:

    It’s very difficult for me to watch Hughes pitch, even when he’s pitching well, which he’s not today

  85. trr says:

    I hope we don’t over pay to try and keep Hughes next year

  86. Pasta says:

    Phelps up thought warren was long guy

  87. The Real Greg says:

    When Pineda comes back, he will HAVE to be put in the starting rotation with the way Hughes and Nova are pitching.

    Yay Yankee farm system

  88. El Capitan says:

    I die a little bit inside each inning that Hughes pitches. He’s awful. Has the tools but the guy just strikes me as a total HEAD CASE of the worst degree

  89. Pat D says:

    Like I said last week, Hughes was my first great prospect crush that broke my heart.

    As Kreiger might say, “Ah, Hughesy.”

    • jjyank says:

      I’m sorry, are you addressing me? Because your authority is not recognized in Fort Kickass.

    • Dalek Jeter says:


      *Archer Spoiler Alert*

      Also, what did you think of the season finale? A little too emotional for me, with the whole Archer dying for Lana, and confessing his love for (again) and her being all huggy and grateful.

      • jjyank says:

        I agree with that. Wasn’t bad, but I hate it when pure comedy shows try to do something more.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          Overall I thought the episode was great, and it was an awesome finale, and I think if they wanted to they could be more…I mean they have with Tatia, and with Lana when he had cancer. I would just rather them not because of reasons.

          • jjyank says:

            I mean relatively speaking. All Archer episodes are great. But I would rather they stay away from emotion.

            • Dalek Jeter says:

              There was one or two episodes this season I didn’t think were up to snuff, besides that yes All Archer episodes are outstanding.

      • JonS says:

        Yea, that was totally weird for them to get emotional like that in the final 2 minutes. Like a completely different show at the end.

      • Pat D says:

        Well they kept the running joke of Archer destroying Ray’s legs.

        I guess I’ll be more interested to see who the father of Lana’s baby is. It can’t be Archer’s, can it?

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          No…as far as I remember the last time they had sex was when he had cancer, and those two episodes alone covered a span of 4 months.

          • Pat D says:


            Save it for the fast money round, Paddy!

            Hmm…Cock-flavored spit. Well, you never know what will be on the board. Survey says? *SHOT*

            Did you see Regis this morning?

  90. Cy Pettitte says:

    Phil is missing his spots by feet, this is ridiculous

  91. The Real Greg says:

    Now that I think about it, even some Yankee prospects that have been traded away have not performed that well.

    Jose Tabata, Jesus Montero…

  92. Havok9120 says:

    With the game playing less than two feet in front of my face I somehow missed them scoring the 4th run.

    Attention span shortage today.

  93. Mick taylor says:

    I cannot believe joba would be much worse than Hughes if given achance to start

    • Guns says:

      It’s hard to believe, but he was. Joba’s only full season as a starter was 2009 when he put up a 4.82 FIP, whether you choose to blame it on the “Joba Rules” is up to you. Phil’s been just a tick over 4.50 in the last two seasons, one was with the shoulder injury.

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      He might be based on how long it’s been since he started but it would be interesting to see him start.

  94. Dorian says:

    Finally given up. Totally resigned myself to the fact that Phil Hughes is no more than a 4th starter and that’s being EXTREMELY generous.

  95. Mykey says:

    A flower seed pack sounds like the worst giveaway ever.

  96. The Real Greg says:

    Those 3 pitchers are our version of Generation K with the Mets.

  97. The Real Greg says:

    Wait a minute. Shouldn’t Kuroda be pitching today?

  98. Mykey says:

    Strike out aside, I really expected to find rooting for Kevin Youkilis to be much harder than it has proven to be.

  99. OldYanksFan says:

    Just what is a League Average RH’der worth as an FA?
    I can’t see signing Phil unless he comes cheap.
    He’s got talent, but no command.
    You never know what you’re going to get….
    except for a number of HRs.

    I think we have to let him go.

    • The Real Greg says:

      I hope and think we will let him go. I would rather see Vidal Nuno right now in the starting rotation

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I think he can make 11-14 or so on the open market, and as much as I love Hughes (or at least the idea of Hughes) unless he turns it around quick and does what he did from May-August last year with less homers I don’t think he’s coming back.

      • OldYanksFan says:

        WHEN he is healthy, as a Starter, he is MAYBE a 2 WAR Pitcher with a career 99 ERA+. Yeah he’s still young, but so is every pitcher in the Minor Leagues. Why is he worth even $10m? Maybe in SD or in another big Ballpark.

  100. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Greg, I don’t know why you’d view Phil in light of the expectations for him from years ago when he’s been in the league this long.

    But if you do insist on doing that, it’s still wrong to say “Just an absolute failure when viewed with expectations of being the great prospect.”

    Here is the 2004 draft that Hughes was picked in: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history.....sorted_by=. It has everyone’s MLB stats to date. Look at the prospects around him, especially those who were picked earlier than him in the draft. Verlander and Weaver have obviously been great, though they were picked him earlier than he was, and Gallardo, Gio, and Street have also been good. Aside from them, I don’t really see any pitcher in the top 50 that I’d rather have had these past few years than Hughes. So if you’re calling Hughes a failure, you have to call most prospects failures. Which they are, which is why it’s silly to expect them to be great and then be disappointed in the 90% of cases when they’re not.

    • Chilango says:

      Phil was 11-4 with a 3.75 ERA at Yankee stadium last year. 99 IP with 41 ER, Opposing BA .238 It’s just that when he sucks, he really sucks.

  101. Dorian says:

    BOO THIS MAN!!!!!!

  102. Anthony says:

    Wow this is not good.

  103. forensic says:

    Whoever thought he would give up a homerun?

    Whatever you do guys, don’t take him out of the game. I’m sure he’ll find it soon…

  104. YankeesJunkie says:

    I thought the HR Derby wasn’t till July.

  105. Anderson Silva says:

    might as well leave him in now.. what a shitty job

  106. Eddard says:

    I just don’t know why Dave Phelps is not in this ballgame. Girardi is going to let Phil roast out there I guess.

  107. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    Now do you guys see what Greg was saying?

  108. JonS says:

    Hughes has the absolute worse body language when giving up a HR.

  109. forensic says:

    And then those doubles happen because the outfielders have to start by standing on the warning track to have a shot at most of the balls.

  110. i like bacon says:

    hey joe how long you going to go with him. get him out of there.

  111. Eddard says:

    The Stadium crowd is harsh but fair. If Hughes wasn’t ready to return the club shouldn’t have pushed him back so soon.

  112. El Capitan says:

    I love that that booed his sorry ass on the way out. Hit the showers, guy. Thanks for absolutely nothing.

  113. Pat D says:

    Wasn’t it nice of the crowd to give him a nice “Hughes” chant as he walked off the mound.

    • jjyank says:

      I will never, ever boo a player in Pinstripes. I get that people are frustrated, and that’s entirely reasonable. I would never boo anyone though. That’s just me.

  114. vicki says:

    they aren’t saying “huuuughes.”

  115. Anthony says:

    3-3, I seriously think Mclouth is my least favorite ballplayer, and it has nothing to do with personality.

    As much as I’m annoyed with Phil… keep it classy YS..

  116. The Real Greg says:

    So other teams have Chris Sale, Shelby Miller, Matt Harvey, AJ Griffin, Matt Moore etc.

    And we’re stuck with this guy.

    • Havok9120 says:


      For Christ’s sake.

      • The Real Greg says:

        I’m sorry. That’s what I feel. It feels like every other team has some hot young starting pitcher or prominent hitter coming into the league except us. And it annoys me.

        • jjyank says:

          You realize that 3 of those 5 were drafted higher than Hughes and higher than the Yankees have a chance to draft, right? It’s a silly comparison. Even Griffin and Moore have nothing to do with Hughes. And not “every team” has some hot shot young starter. Come on Greg, take a step back for a second.

          • Mike Axisa says:

            Don’t bother. Just wait until the next time the Red Sox beat the Yankees and he complains they’re letting them go on a roll. Same shit, different year.

            • The Real Greg says:

              No that really doesn’t bother me anymore because the Sox have become more of a laughingstock the last couple of years

          • Guns says:

            The draft order argument doesn’t hold much water when you look at what Boston has been able to do with the draft. I don’t care how angry it makes Yankee fans but their player development is head and shoulders above the Yanks.

            • jjyank says:

              Goalposts, moved.

              What does this have to do with anything? The Red Sox haven’t been in the playoffs since 2008 and I think they’re still a worse team than the Yankees in 2013. Yeah, I’m real jealous of Boston.

        • Guns says:

          And to a large extent you’re absolutely right.

        • Pat D says:

          Who do the Brewers have? The Royals? The Cubs? The Marlins? The Rockies? The Red Sox? The Twins? The Angels?

          • Havok9120 says:

            To be fair, the Sox have guys up/coming up soon. They haven’t really performed up to hype in all cases, but they’re there.

            Nonetheless, yeah, the argument that “everybody has kids up but us” is bogus in oh so many ways.

          • The Real Greg says:

            Here is the list:
            Angels- Mike Trout
            Royals- Salvador Perez
            Red Sox- Jackie Bradley Jr.
            Cubs- Anthony Rizzo
            Brewers- Aoki
            Rockies- Wilkin Rosario
            Marlins- Stanton (he’s still very young)

            I don’t have any for the Twins so you are correct there.

          • Guns says:

            That’s such an awful argument. You want to lump the Yankees in with perennial losing franchises such as the Brewers, Royals, Marlins and Rockies to make your point??? Go ahead. It shows just how bad the Yankees have been.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Perennial losing franchises which draft better than the Yankees virtually every year for the last decade and a half?

              There are holes in the argument, but that ain’t one of them.

            • Pat D says:

              His argument is awful. He said “it feels like every other team has some hot young pitcher…or hitter coming into the league.”

              I’m proving him wrong.

      • Guns says:

        Honestly, the reasoning doesn’t make a lot of sense, but he has every right to feel that way. The Yankees could do a lot of good by developing a better than average starting pitcher. They’ll have a couple more chances with Banuelos, Campos and (hopefully) DePaula.

        • Havok9120 says:

          He has every right to feel that way just as I have every right to criticize the unreasonable/incorrect part of the comment.

          I also have no problem with being critical of him harping on the same thing over multiple posts even when he admits there are holes in his logic or that he’s being unreasonable. There’s also the whole “he almost never responds to any counter arguments” thing. And me generally just being in a bad mood this week.

      • DC says:

        Now you know Greg’s new thing.

        • vicki says:

          mewling self-pity is not a new thing.

        • Havok9120 says:

          So it seems.

          • The Real Greg says:

            No this is not new. I’ve been steaming against the Yankees drafting for the last few years.

            • Havok9120 says:

              “New thing” meaning “thing you’re harping on today.” As in what Pasta Stumbling Sojo asked about earlier to which I responded you didn’t have one lately. Apparently that is no longer the case.

              At least I assume that’s what he was referring to.

              • The Real Greg says:

                Well I think the 4-0 record the last 4 games has something to do with me not going nuts. It’s tough to complain when you’re winning.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Teams that have been competitive every year since 1995

      -New York Yankees

      Having “home grown aces” is nice and all, don’t get me wrong but I’d rather be competitive every year then go
      79-82 the year before The Sox drafted Sale
      86-76 the year before the Cards drafted Miller
      70-92 the year before the Mets drafted Harvey
      75-87 the year before the A’s drafted Griffen
      61-101 the year before the Rays drafted Moore.

    • Orioles Greg says:

      All we get out of the 4th overall pick in 2008 is a LOOGY! Disgraceful.

  117. Anderson Silva says:

    If Hughes is not physically able to perform (spring training form like Kay is saying), then why the hell is he starting for the big league club?

  118. El Capitan says:

    Phillip Hughes and Ivan Nova, ladies and gentlemen. The highest paid BP tossers in the business. Let’s not give a guy like David Phelps a chance in the rotation though, god forbid. He couldn’t possibly be worse than what we just saw.

  119. forensic says:

    “We don’t want to make excuses for the guy, but we’re going to anyway by listing a bunch of excuses.”

  120. Eddard says:

    I’d say the game was over like Greg did in the 2nd inning but Big Game Dave Phelps has restored order and kept us in the ballgame.

  121. DInnings says:

    Hughes should be battling Nova to keep a job in the rotation.

    If I were the Yanks I’d keep a close eye Jake Peavy.

    Peavy re-signed with the White Sox for two years at $14.5M a year with a $15M player’s option for 2015 where he gets it if he pitches 400 IP in 2013-14 including 190 IP in 2014 and isn’t on the disabled list at the end of 2014. He would turn only 34 on 5/31/15.

    So far he is 1-1, 5.56 in 2 GS but with 13 SO and only one BB.

    ‘Say Hughes and Peavy are doing about the same by July 24 a week before the trade deadline. I’d swap ‘em. The Yanks would get a not old yet veteran for the 2013 stretch run and 2014, possibly 2015, in Peavy while the White Sox shed Peavy’s contract and could let go of Hughes. If Hughes is still Mr.Fourth Starter the White Sox could re-sign him for a year for far less what they’d owe Peavy for 2014 and certainly 2014-15, and who’s to say they couldn’t re-sign Hughes for as little as two years at $8M a year for only $16M, just $1.5M more than the cost of 2014 Peavy?

    What bounty of young players are the Yanks getting for a fourth starter in his walk year?

    The Yanks’ 2014 rotation would be Sabathia, Peavy, and three from a free agent, Kuroda for one more year, Pettitte for one more year, Nova, Phelps, Pineda, Warren, and whoever else in the farm system.

    Bottom line is all the best free agent starters have been locked up (Hernandez, Verlander, Kershaw, Cain etc.), Kuroda and Pettitte are old and no locks to be back in 2014 much less good then or even this year. The Yanks need to have a good younger veteran in the rotation with Sabathia – Peavy would be that guy with his 1.180 career WHIP and low 1.2 WHIP in the AL. They cannot go with Sabathia, a re-signed Pettitte and Hughes, and two from Nova, Phelps, Pineda, Warren etc.

  122. Pat D says:

    I was surprised to find the answer to the trivia question. I figured it was Palmeiro. I was wrong.

  123. forensic says:

    Nice job Phelps.

    If I didn’t think they might have a very slight chance at coming back in this game, I almost would’ve preferred you added that run to Hughes’ line though.

  124. Pat D says:

    Running out of patience with Ichiro. Thought he was supposed to have good numbers off Hammel.

  125. Cy Pettitte says:

    would rather hit my head against a wall repeatedly than watch an Ichiro AB

  126. Eddard says:

    At least Boesch gives you the potential for power. Ichiro gives you his corkscrew swing in which he’ll either strike out or pop up in the infield.

  127. JonS says:

    Yea!! two years of watching Ichiro!!

  128. Pasta says:

    Biogenics er cervelli doing good

  129. Cy Pettitte says:

    I wonder if the execs will sign Ichiro to another 2 year deal after next season, there’s no way he gets to 3,000 hits on this contract

  130. JonS says:

    The no #1 catcher things shows how stubborn Giardi really is.

  131. Eddard says:

    When the Yankees let Martin go they knew something everybody else didn’t, they had their future starting catcher in Frankie Cervelli. Another good move by the FO.

  132. Anthony says:

    Have I mentioned at all how I hate Nate Mclouth?

  133. Pat D says:

    Fuck you, McLouth! Totally misplayed it and gets fucking lucky.

  134. Eddard says:

    Nate McClouth is a journeyman outfielder yet he gives us the most trouble.

  135. Havok9120 says:

    That was either a really nice play or loafed on it a bit.

    I prefer to think it’s the former. That looked pretty great.

  136. OldYanksFan says:

    When the Yankees let Martin go they knew something everybody else didn’t, they had their future starting catcher in Frankie Cervelli Sanchez or Romine. Another good move by the FO.


  137. wow says:

    Phelps showing Phil how it’s done.

  138. Lugo says:

    What is the reasoning behind not giving Phelps a shot at the rotation? I mean they keep parading Nova and Hughes out there and they keep getting pounded. Now obviously Phelps might not be the answer, but doesn’t he deserve a shot? I just don’t get it.

    • Havok9120 says:

      It’s early in the season. Hughes was good last season and it’s his second start of the current one. Nova is a case of hoping he figures it out and can follow through on all the promising signs there have been. It’s not as if Phelps out pitched Nova in ST either, so even if it had been a competition there was no real reason to give it to Phelps instead.

    • forensic says:

      Hughesie won 18 games 3 years ago!!!

  139. JLC 776 says:

    Please get it going here, Gardy.

  140. Eddard says:

    The reason Phelps and Cervelli aren’t getting their due is because people would rather be proven right than to see this team win. They have to have their guys succeed and everyone else should be traded away. Cervelli has done wonders so far this year. Phelps looks miles ahead of Hughes at this point. Yet all people can talk about is what’s in the minors. You were wrong about Martin and Hughes is a bust, get over it.

  141. Anderson Silva says:

    dont hear people talking about it a lot, but Gardner has been terrible on offense so far.

  142. Betty Lizard says:

    Don’t watch Hughes games but just looked at the score.

    Hughesiad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

  143. JLC 776 says:

    Starting to look like ass again…

  144. JLC 776 says:

    Alright, now that HBP was fucking pathetic.

  145. Pasta says:

    Manny marchado looks wasted all the time.

  146. Pat D says:

    Come on, offense, plenty of time left!

  147. Eddard says:

    He’s got the strikeout pitches, he’s got command and he’s got mound presence. You’d think this guy would be beloved by Yankee brass and fans alike but he can’t even get one chance to start a game.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      “but he can’t even get one chance to start a game.”

      Last year?

    • Chilango says:

      Phelps was 4-4 last year, 99 IP, 3.34 ERA, 125 ERA+. WHIP 1.194, etc. Pretty close to Phil’s numbers.

      • forensic says:

        ERA: 3.34 vs. 4.25
        ERA+ 125 vs. 99
        WHIP: 1.194 vs. 1.265
        K/9: 8.7 vs. 7.2
        FIP: 4.32 vs. 4.56
        xFIP: 4.01 vs. 4.35

        Even as a starter, Phelps was still at 3.77 ERA with all the jerking around they did to him in those games.

        In almost 100 less innings Phelps still out-bWAR’d Hughes.

        Personally, I don’t see it as very close.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          You are really overrated Phelps. He runs into a wall in his fourth inning of work pretty much every single time. Can’t turn a lineup over, can’t get swings and misses.

          • forensic says:

            That tends to happen when they never let him start a group in a row to get stretched out and he’s always on a low pitch count in his starts.

  148. Ron says:


  149. Dalek Jeter says:


  150. Pat D says:

    Vernon “I Ain’t Dead Yet!” Wells!!!

  151. Havok9120 says:

    There’s a start.

    Nicely done Vern.

  152. JLC 776 says:

    Finally! I was starting to think we were going to roll over and die!

  153. Cy Pettitte says:

    Wells >>>> Ichrio

    I think we all know who should sit when Grandy is back

  154. Karl Krawfid says:

    Man Vernon has to be worth more to us than the Angels already.

  155. Pat D says:

    I was about to say “Send Ichiro” but I remembered it’s Wieters behind the plate.

  156. Chilango says:

    NO DP Cervi let’s go

  157. Havok9120 says:

    Paulie is apparently not a fan of heights.

  158. Anthony says:

    Cervelli continues to impress

  159. The Real Greg says:

    They need a run out of this.

  160. Eddard says:

    If Frankie Cervelli were playing under any other name he’d be beloved and people would say he’s mashing the ball. They just don’t want to admit they were wrong. They want Martin and his .074 BA.

  161. Havok9120 says:

    I keep forgetting Nix is playing. Oy.

    Bust a move man.

  162. Pat D says:

    My take on people doing the Wave:


  163. Lugo says:

    Overbay and Nix go down with barely a whimper. You know there’s a problem when you can’t even make contact with a hanger.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Well Overbay had an RBI single and was robbed of an RBI double.

      Nix is only in there because of injury,

  164. Havok9120 says:


  165. JLC 776 says:

    This team only knows how to score off of the Home Run.

    That’s still the narrative, right?

  166. trr says:

    Personally, I couldn’t wait to see Martin and his ass-shaped face leave town -

  167. The Real Greg says:

    Meanwhile Matt Harvey had a no no before Morneau took him deep with 2 outs in the seventh

  168. Pat D says:

    Ouch. Matt Harvey had a no hitter through 6 2/3. Then Morneau just put one off the foul pole.

    • Havok9120 says:

      I was just about to ask why ESPN had that game highlighted when there was nothing special going on in it. Makes sense now.

  169. Havok9120 says:

    They’re really trying to jinx Phelps here.

  170. jjyank says:

    Suck it, Jones!

  171. vicki says:

    oh, adam, i love to see you fail.

  172. Havok9120 says:

    Now we shall crush their dreams.

  173. Pat D says:

    The Orioles have given them a few outs today. It would be nice if the Yankees could put a couple more runs together.

  174. Eddard says:

    The Yankees used to absolutely destroy Matusz when he was a starter. It shouldn’t be any different as a reliever. Destroy him.

  175. The Real Greg says:

    Good play

  176. jjyank says:

    Yay, Gardner learned how to bunt!

  177. vicki says:

    leadoff “basehit” but i feel dirty.

  178. Steve says:

    Hey guys. I didn’t watch a single pitch of this game, nor have I seen any highlights, but I think I can make a sweeping conclusion that Phil Hughes actually pitched well.

  179. Dalek Jeter says:

    Sounds like they’re just missing on Matusz…

  180. The Real Greg says:

    The problem is that the Orioles bullpen is really good. O’Day is a beast out there.

  181. Pasta says:

    Joba=jet fuel on fire

  182. The Real Greg says:

    Why not Robertson? Well, if they scored a run last inning, I think Robertson would be in there.

  183. Pat D says:

    T-Mobile is revolutionizing wireless?

    If I start laughing at that statement I will end up like the weasels in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

  184. Dalek Jeter says:

    …Boesch better hit for Ichiro, Cervelli, or Overbay if he’s not hitting for Wells.

  185. Havok9120 says:

    NOW we crush their dreams.

  186. Pat D says:

    Dammit, I thought that was going.

  187. Dalek Jeter says:

    There was no reason that Cervelli should have been hitting there.

    • The Real Greg says:

      He’s hitting .364.

    • Havok9120 says:

      There was no better option available. I’d certainly rather have him hit than Overbay.

    • Eddard says:

      This is exactly what I was saying, if Frankie Cervelli was playing under any other name there’s no way you’d PH for a guy swinging as hot a bat as he is. Would you have advocated they PH for Martin last year when he hit .180 all season? Didn’t think so.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        If he was facing someone who is death on Righties with Ibanez sitting on the bench? Damn straight I would have.

        • forensic says:

          You can’t take Cervelli out. He’s their back-up infielder currently, plus SSS or not, he’s actually hitting. You get Nix out of there whenever you can.

          My only complaint is that Brennan Boesch is their best pinch hitter right now…

  188. The Real Greg says:

    They are getting good contact but they are not falling.

  189. The Real Greg says:

    The problem is that who plays SS if Boesch hits for Nix.

  190. Pat D says:

    Hmm. Who’s gonna play short?

  191. Eddard says:

    Who cares who plays SS if Boesch hits for Nix, you have to get the game tied for it to matter and Boesch is your best chance.

  192. Pat D says:


  193. The Real Greg says:

    In the end, Phil Hughes will be the cause unless the Yankees get going in the ninth

  194. Dalek Jeter says:


  195. Havok9120 says:

    Watch him get hurt playing short. New York would explode and sink into the sea.

  196. pat says:

    Damn I wish I could see this game just to see Cano at SS.

  197. Eddard says:

    Frankie can do it all. Robbie to Frankie DP combo should be interesting.

  198. The Doctor says:

    What in the name of sweet baby Jesus just happened

  199. vicki says:

    he’s adorable.

  200. The Real Greg says:

    Going out with a whimper I see

  201. Pat D says:

    Ah, pussyfeathers. Get ‘em tomorrow.

  202. Dalek Jeter says:

    Ah well, you can’t win every game. Go get ‘em tomorrow.

  203. Havok9120 says:

    We never crushed their dreams. :(

  204. Eddard says:

    Say what you want about Dave Phelps, but he would have given us a chance to win today. And that’s all we can ask of our bottom starters, just give us a chance and Phil didn’t do that. At least they can win the series tomorrow with Hiroki.

  205. Barry says:

    Bright side Phelps? If you have to have your ice cream on a cold day…

  206. hogsmog says:

    I think I’m ready for Phelps to steal somebody’s job.

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