Apr
15

Monday Night Open Thread

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The Yankees are off today, but baseball seems kinda pointless given everything that is going on in Boston right now. I hope all you from the area or you have friends and family in the area or whatever … I truly hope everything is okay. This is horrifying. Please keep everyone in your thoughts and forget about baseball tonight. Focus on what’s important.

Categories : Asides, Open Thread

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  1. jjyank says:

    If anyone knows anyone in Boston, I hope they’re all right. And everyone else too of course. I know a whole bunch of people in Boston, and visit several times a year to re-engage in college debauchery. Luckily all my friends are just fine, though one did have a bit of fate induced luck. A friend of mine splits time at two offices, and one of which had the windows blown out by the blast, with several employees injured. Luckily, my friend was at their office in Cambridge today, and is fine.

    Still, horrible news. It disgusts me to share a species with people capable of such an act.

  2. Johnny G says:

    My cousin was in that spot hours before it went off. Her boyfriend finished the race hours before it happened. They are fine, the images of the aftermath, were really very haunting.

    God bless all who were harmed and all those who helped.

  3. The Real Greg says:

    I just need to say this as a broadcasting graduate.

    Not only are these events tragic for the families and victims, but they seem to bring out the worst in human nature from the media (not all of it) and thusly from some of the public.

    Erik Rush, a columnist and Fox News contributor, basically tweeted the message “Muslims are evil. Let’s kill them all”

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/.....hon-attack

    The NY Post reported that a Saudi had been taken into custody by the Boston police but that was shown to be completely false.

    And now we find out one of the two dead was an 8 year old.

    Just makes me sick. All of it

    • jjyank says:

      This is why I don’t consider Fox News to be…well, real.

      Not trying to start a political debate. But I’ve been to the Middle East. I know plenty of Muslims. And that shit makes me angry.

      • The Real Greg says:

        Had a friend in college who came from the Middle East, Afghanistan, I believe. An older gentleman. One of the NICEST men I’ve ever met in my life.

        I do know that a lot of people don’t really listen to Fox News because of their image. It just bothers me, naively, that people who are put into these types of important positions try to abuse that power.

        • jjyank says:

          Afghanistan isn’t the Middle East :)

          But I agree with your sentiment. Most Muslim Arabs are nicer, more generous, and more compassionate than most Americans.

          • The Real Greg says:

            I actually didn’t know that the Middle East had a boundary that close, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. Thank you.

            • jjyank says:

              It’s a common mistake. Afghanistan is technically Southeast Asia. It’s only one country outside that “border”, since Iran is part of the Middle East.

              • Bob Buttons says:

                Technically it’s in Southwest Asia.
                Southeast Asia would be like Indonesia, Phillipines, Malaysia, Singapore, etc.

                (Sorry, as a guy who loves staring at maps, it’s a compulsion).

            • Kevin says:

              Another sad thing is because the president didn’t use terrorism right away,he’s already getting attacked.
              I’m NOT an Obama fan by any means but good god,these people can’t put aside their hatred of him even during times like this.

              • The Real Greg says:

                That stuff is just pathetic and alludes to what I was referring to earlier.

                I would hope that we would have the intellect as a people to determine what is and what isn’t a terrorist attack without having the President tell us.

                • Preston says:

                  Terrorism has a definition. It is the use of violence in order to coerce or further a cause. Without knowing who did it we can’t know if they had a motive. So calling it an act of terrorism vs. a random act of violence would be premature at this point.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

                So if the president calls this terrorism, and this turns out to be the work of an extreme right-winger, I’m sure that’ll be taken just as well.

                The important issue is the two people who have left us, one of which is an eight year-old boy, those are hurt, and those who now have to deal with what it’s like to wake up the next day.

                This has me thinking a ton about 9/11, and both the similarities as well as the massive, massive differences. Listening to the chaos on the part of the media trying to make immediate sense of it all sure reminded me a whole lot of that day.

                • The Real Greg says:

                  Reminds me to a lesser extent of the clusterf*** the media created in the Sandy Hook shooting. Blaming one kid and then realizing that it was the brother. Believing the father was dead and then he was found alive.

                • losealot says:

                  whether the perpetrator of this horrible act is a middle eastern muslim or a white american extremist, this is still a terrorist act. it is cowardly, and morally deplorable. what ever political agenda these monsters have, there is no excuse for trying to murder spectators at a sporting event!

                  • Bob Buttons says:

                    Someone defined terrorism above. Blowing crap up and injuring people because they felt like it isn’t terrorism.

          • Ethan says:

            As someone that has lived in a predominantly Muslim country (Azerbaijan), has traveled to several countries in the Middle East, and has lived outside of the US for most of my life I fully agree with you. I know so many loving, caring, compassionate, sympathetic Muslims. I am very good friends with many. From my experience, Muslims are wonderful people and yes, more compassionate than most Americans.

            There are few things that bother me more than broad stereotyping of people.

            • jjyank says:

              Yup. I only spend 4 months there (mostly Jordan, and a few trips to Egypt and Syria as well), and I could actually see myself living there. That’s how much I enjoyed the people and the culture. A few radical acts by a handful of radical assholes has tainted American perception of these people, and it’s really not fair. If you have any knowledge of Arab culture or Islam, you’d know that these heinous acts are nothing more than perverse interpretations by an ignorant and hateful minority.

              And let’s not pretend that such an anomaly is immune to Judaism and Christianity.

              • Ethan says:

                Completely agree. You find just as bad radicalism within the US every year.

                I absolutely loved Jordan, the people were incredible. I actually think I will find living in North America much more difficult than living elsewhere, including the developing world.

                • jjyank says:

                  I count the days until I can go back to Jordan. Nicest group of people I’ve ever met. Plus, I might still get free drinks from Rami at La Calle. I hope he’s still bar tending there :P

                  • Ethan says:

                    I was there a few years back on a school trip (so no booze unfortunately) but it was a very memorable country and I would love to return. For part of the trip we camped in the desert for 3 days and guides with us were incredibly nice. They really exemplified people from the Mid East in my opinion.

      • True Pinstriped Blue says:

        Riiiight, that Damn Fox News I tell ya! MSNBC, CNN, or you know ALL the other major news outlets who are Liberal as shit don’t twist and turn everything into a political cluster-fuck.
        Suuuurrrre….

        Maybe for once our Prez could actually get out in front of a tragedy and stop it. But that’s hard to do when you’re shooting hoops, filling out brackets, and vacationing all the time.

        Fox News though grrrrr!!!!
        BUT I’m “Not trying to start a political debate”

        • vicki says:

          you have no idea how stupid you sound.

          • Jim Is Bored says:

            He sounds stupid, but he’s not wrong.

            • jjyank says:

              I don’t care what party the president is, claiming that he’s too busy filling out NCAA brackets instead of stopping every single attack ever is wrong. Shit happens. Nothing is 100% preventable. To say otherwise is wrong, and makes you sound stupidly biased.

    • RetroRob says:

      Never heard of the guy. Feels like a right-winger trying to bait left-wingers, which sadly is what much of the broadcast (and Internet) faux news has sunk to. I blissfully ignore both FOX and MSNBC, although I strongly defend their right to exist.

    • TruthSeeker says:

      Erik Rush, a columnist and Fox News contributor, basically tweeted the message “Muslims are evil. Let’s kill them all”

      He didn’t say the above. He did say the following.

      “Everybody do the National Security Ankle Grab! Let’s bring more Saudis in without screening them! C’mon! #bostonmarathon.”

      • The Real Greg says:

        But responding to a response tweet about him blaming Muslims, he said

        “Yes, they’re evil. Let’s kill them all”

        With no mark of sarcasm or “give me a break”.

        • TruthSeeker says:

          was he saying that about Muslims or Muslim terrorists? i would have to see the full context.

          • jjyank says:

            He didn’t specify in that tweet, and the lack of specificity is disgusting, regardless of the context.

          • The Real Greg says:

            The response tweet to the statement you said was :

            “SWEET GOD!” Are you ALREADY BLAMING MUSLIMS??”

            He responded to this with the tweet above.

            The fact that it was deleted soon after also shows me a lack of sarcasm.

    • TruthSeeker says:

      “”The NY Post reported that a Saudi had been taken into custody by the Boston police but that was shown to be completely false.”"

      More falesehood.

      The NY Post NEVER reported that a Saudi “was taken into custody”. They did report that their is a Saudi nationalist of interest in a hospital that the police are guarding. CBS news and MSNBC also reported the same.

      Please stop the misinformation.

      • The Real Greg says:

        That is true, it looks like. But still to say it is a Saudi Nationalist without proof is still unworthy media practice.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Anyone who remembers 9/11 knows that the period of time immediately following an incident like this is full of false reporting. People were talking about explosives under the GWB, in subways, etc., in those few hours after 9/11. Reporters, anchors, etc. are in the same state of panic we are.

        Let’s cut them some slack AND be discerning listeners and viewers ourselves. Better yet, turn off the TVs and radios entirely after a while.

    • crespo says:

      They were saying the same crap on CNN about how this was most likely the work of “radical right wingers”. Lets hope this doesn’t become a repeat of assassination attempt in AZ. The whole thing is just disgusting.

    • Patrick says:

      Allow me to take this chance to say that this event resonates deeply. Cutting through multiple degrees of separation.

      I know the teacher of that 8 year old who died and one who lost a leg and he, THE TEACHER, (let alone the siblings, parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents) has absolutely lost his mind tonight.

      We are unfortunate to have to turn towards sensationalism in order to attain information when the effects of such events are already sensational (negative connotation) enough.

      We in Boston have remarkable appreciation for those lending thoughts and respect our way. It is the awareness of the absurd coverage that allows me/us to believe that you people feel this deeper than just what reiterated images and reporting give us. These are humans, after all. As we all are. Thank you.

      Sincerely,
      Proud Bostononian Yankee Fan

    • bobby two knives says:

      I watch fox news all the time and can’t say I ever remember seeing or hearing Erik Rush. There are wacko’s and extremists in every media. Can we cite more examples from both left and right? Of course. Let’s not have a sandbox fight when we are facing this new crisis. Pull together people.

  4. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    #BingIt

  5. Pseudoyanks says:

    I went to college in Boston. Every year the Marathon (Patriot’s Day) was a big party, no classes, excuse to tap a keg. We’d tailgate right on Hearbreak Hill just outside of the BC gates along Com Ave. I have great memories of the day…it’s just so festive and everyone is there to have fun.

    This is such horrible news. I certainly believe 10, maybe 15 or 20 of these types of events have been avoided/pre-empted by great efforts by Homeland Security since 9/11. It’s such a shame that they can’t be perfect and prevent every single one of them. I worry about our security but also worry equally about protecting our Freedoms in the aftermath of today’s events.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      The hardest thing to stop is a “lone wolf” type. I don’t quite know how you exactly do that in this particular instance.

      I haven’t thought about this long enough to really see where the intersection between this and gun control lies, if you can even make such a connection, nor am I even going there on here.

  6. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Friends from Boston posted on FB rather quickly to say they were OK. I have a very good friend who had about 10-15 friends near the finish line. She’s been able to check in with him, and they’re all physically OK, but were close enough to the entire event to be pretty shaken. One friend of hers crossed the finish line 10 minutes before the explosions.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Along those lines, I was thinking all those people who lived/weren’t injured but will have some sort of weird PTSD or shell shock from this.

      Can you imagine going around on the street and being afraid that an explosion will pop up anywhere at any time?

      My God…

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Um, yes, I can imagine that rather perfectly. I lived it after 9/11.

        • trr says:

          As did I.

          Thoughts and prayers are with the injured and their families, and especially with the families of those who were killed, including an 8 year old child.

          Now is not the time for politics. Anyone who would exploit this tragedy for political gain is especially heinous.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            But they will. They exploited Sandy Hook Elementary, for God’s sake.

            I remember waiting nine hours for my then-girlfriend-now-wife to come home without knowing a single thing as to where she was. I remember watching burnt pieces of god-knows-what in front of our apartment IN BROOKLYN. I remember going back into work, in Manhattan, the next day, spending five minutes there, and just heading back home because I couldn’t stomach being there. I remember still smelling burnt metal and body decomposition weeks later while not even being close to WTC.

            Here we are, though. We persevere. I really feel for those who were close by as much as I feel for those who were physically injured.

        • bobby two knives says:

          As do the service people in Afghanistan and other places. That’s why they call it “terror” and that’s why there’s a war on terror and those who have declared war on the US.

  7. Kramerica Industries says:

    I would normally be the person leading the charge of cracking jokes about Boston, the beaneaters, and all that stuff…

    but I can’t do that in the aftermath of this. What a damn shame that a celebration of a historic day in this nation’s history got ruined like that. A pox on all the assholes responsible for this tragedy.

  8. Anthony says:

    What a sad day. All my friends up there are alright, but it really stings hearing kids as young as 8 are dead/injured. I’ll be keeping Boston in my thoughts, but man I hope they find who did it. The world would be a much better place without cowards like that.

  9. Luis Castillo (Not the one who dropped the ball) says:

    I’ll keep the wounded and death in my toughts for sure. A hugh to Boston and USA in general from México City.

    Horrible, horrible news. I’ll never understand people doing that to inocents they don’t even know… an 8 year old, that just breaks my heart.

    Needless to say I’m so sick of violence.

  10. Pedro (from Brazil) says:

    Hey guys, any concerns at other cities? Sorry for the questions but my sister and her husband are travel to Las Vegas today and my mom is kind of scared! We don’t have to much information beside from Boston here in Brazil right now. Thanks

  11. Drew says:

    Comedian Anthony Jeselnik tweeted this about an hour ago: “@anthonyjeselnik: There are some lines that just shouldn’t be crossed today. Especially the finish line.”

    I’m disgusted. I know he makes his $ being a shock comedian but come on.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Whatever. There’s no amount of seriousness, or whatnot, that can change things. If some comedian thinks he can be clever, let him go ahead.

    • jjyank says:

      Personally, I never found him funny, but that is what he does. His show is called “The Jeselnik Offensive” for a reason.

      Not that I agree with him or like him. I don’t. But I’m also not surprised, and I also don’t care what Anthony Jeselnik says.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Too soon? Yup

      Funny? Not at all…

      Do I get it though? Yeah, kinda. At some point people will make Marathon jokes like they do 911 jokes. They are tasteless and most of the time not at all funny, but they garner attention. Gilbert Gottfried and the tsunami say hello.

      All this being said, fuck that guy.

      • flamingo says:

        People make 9/11 jokes?! I’m glad I’ve never met any of them. God.

        • vicki says:

          i made awful jokes to dear, dear friends, firefighters working search/rescue/recovery at ground zero, pretty soon after The Tragic Events. like “i hear y’all are hiring.” of course i’m cute and i wasn’t wearing a bra at the time, but mostly it was a matter of release. and to be fair there are things people who love and trust each other can say in a mutually safe place, and then there are attention-guzzling nihilist assholes.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        When you’re in that career, even being first at being the asshole is important.

        He probably wasn’t first anyway. I have a friend who’s a standup, and he was tweeting jokes pretty quickly.

        • Pat D says:

          I’m of the opinion that you can joke about anything, but it doesn’t mean you should. Or that said joke will be funny.

          Personally, I’m not a fan of jokes being made about the actual way people die. One of the things that started to turn me off South Park was when they did a joke about John Denver’s plane crash death.

          I do still say that I’d like to see Ann Coulter suffer a horrific death. Until it actually happens. Then I’ll feel like an asshole.

    • Bo Knows says:

      Only thing I want to say is who the fuck is this jesel…whatever?

  12. gbyanks says:

    romine just got hurt had to leave the game, looks like a right hand injury

  13. Bo Knows says:

    I posted this on the sb site reporting this:

    I pray for you and all who were injured and for those who lost their lives today may God watch over them and their families.

    “though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me”
    -Psalm 23

    Just know every single person in this nation, will also be staffs and rods willing to do whatever to help.

    someone also posted a writeup from comedienne Patton Oswalt

    “Boston. Fucking horrible.

    I remember, when 9/11 went down, my reaction was, “Well, I’ve had it with humanity.”

    But I was wrong. I don’t know what’s going to be revealed to be behind all of this mayhem. One human insect or a poisonous mass of broken sociopaths.

    But here’s what I DO know. If it’s one person or a HUNDRED people, that number is not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population on this planet. You watch the videos of the carnage and there are people running TOWARDS the destruction to help out. (Thanks FAKE Gallery founder and owner Paul Kozlowski for pointing this out to me). This is a giant planet and we’re lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they’re pointed towards darkness.

    But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We’d have eaten ourselves alive long ago.

    So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just lo”

  14. Bob Buttons says:

    Real conflicted right now, torn between wanting to find out who in the world did this, and avoiding the disturbing facts and pictures.

    What those people with relations in the area must feel thousands of times worse.

  15. jjyank says:

    Anyone else wanna talk about something other than death and violence? I know I’ve already had my fill. As bad as I feel for those affected, I feel like lingering on it will just make us all depressed/scared/angry.

    How about some steaks?

  16. Robinson Tilapia says:

    ….and Cesaro jobs.

  17. Cool Lester Smooth says:

    All my friends and family up north are fine.

    Shit like this makes me sick and it makes me sad.

  18. McLovin says:

    Knicks kicking ass :)

  19. Pasta says:

    This is not taliban. These devices were crud and easy to make.
    Pipe bombs in backpacks screams domestic group. Things to keep in mind
    Explosives were black powder and gun powder with ball bearings and nails.
    Anarchist shit. This is a thing done by one or two people. Not a group.
    We have another timmy mcvey here. Or a few idealists. With all the cameras
    This should be solved within a few months

    • Bo Knows says:

      if it was a major group, they would have claimed responsibility, those people get off on being known.

      This is probably a single individual like you said, definitely a small time possibly domestic individual of disturbed sensibilities

      • The Real Greg says:

        Agreed 100%

      • RetroRob says:

        Probably, although it’s not uncommon for a day or so to go by before one steps forward.

        My mind can’t ignore this happened on Patriot’s Day in Boston and on April 15th, national tax day. Perhaps a statement from a more internal loon. Yet I’m not sure it matters the who. They are sick regardless.

  20. MannyGeee says:

    OK the Red Sox “B” with the ribbon that is sodomizing my Facebook rite now has me extremely conflicted inside. And I’m just being real with you.

  21. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Pa-ra! Pa pa pa ra ra PA-RA! pa pa pa ra ra PA-RA! pa pa pa ra ra….

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      I don’t know about you but this Fandango guy is just awful. The only thing the least bit redeeming about his character is that is dance partner is smoking hot.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        He needs to cut a better promo. I really appreciate how much he’s into the character, though. Some good camp can go a long way.

        Considering this guy was an incredibly boring Smackdown jobber a few months ago, the transformation is amazing.

        • Manny's BanWagon says:

          His music is boring and he’s rather effeminate IMO but I guess you need some variety.

          I read somewhere that for WM 30 next year, they’re trying to get Stone Cold vs Punk. Now that would be a match I’d wanna see.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            They’ve been wanting to do that for a few years now. Austin’s knees are shot, he’s not jobbing, and neither should Punk.

            • Manny's BanWagon says:

              Why shouldn’t Punk job for Austin?

              He jobbed for Undertaker which was the best match of WM.

              Cena, the Rock, Lesnar, Triple HHH have all “jobbed” over the last year so why shouldn’t Punk?

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Rock and HHH should be jobbing left and right. They’re part-timers. Old guard puts over new guard. That’s how the business goes. Look at Jericho – knows his role.

                Lesnar’s a different story. He’s part-time because that’s the contract they signed him too. Different story. He should have gone over HHH, and decisively.

                Austin beating anyone only serves to weaken the perception of that wrestler in favor of nostalgia. If that’s the case, I’d rather see Austin not wrestler – and I’d rather see Austin not wrestle, no matter what, as he probably can’t be even 1/10th of the wrestler he was, and he was already pretty diminished at the end of his run.

                • VinRae says:

                  HHH should have lost to Punk during Punk’s face run as the WWE Champion. Punk losing to HHH stopped all his momentum as a face champion.

                • Manny's BanWagon says:

                  Most people, me included, don’t wanna see the old guard lose in their 1 or 2 matches per year and that’s pretty much the bottom line.

                  Unless Vince can develop some intriguing new characters which he hasn’t done in years, they’re dependent on keeping the old guys looking good because without them, WM is nothing more than a glorified Raw or Smackdown.

                • Manny's BanWagon says:

                  I agree Lesnar should have brutalized HHH which could have set up an epic match vs the Undertaker next year.

  22. VinRae says:

    Punk still gets face pops.

    …and it’s clobberin’ time.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      He damn well should get face pops. Fans are smart enough to see through the act and know he’s damn good at what he does.

      • VinRae says:

        If they even turn Cena a heel, Punk could carry the WWE as the number 1 face. No questions. Though that would probably never happen.

        And now Punk looks like he is going to take some time off. Probably would return at the Payback PPV in Chicago, and probably as a face.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Cena doesn’t want to turn heel. Says it would affect his ability to do Make A Wish, and things like that, and that it’s more important for him to continue that than take part in a temporary storyline.

          Punk is such a GREAT heel, though. Face/heel just doesn’t matter to me anymore. I root for whoever is best at their craft.

          • VinRae says:

            Yeah, I have read about that Cena-heel stuff too. He will, and most likely will, retire as a face without turning heel ever.

            Punk is indeed a great heel. Probably the best heel I’ve watched since HHH’s evolution days. Very entertaining.

            I think the face/heel dynamic is a lot less important to most fans now, they just cheer for who they find entertaining.

            Look at Dolph, another heel getting face pops.

          • Manny's BanWagon says:

            It would do Cena some good to be heel for a while. He gets booed like crazy because everyone is bored with his goody two shoes routine.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              He does a tremendous job dealing with it, though, and I don’t think the WWE minds. The kids buy the shirts.

              I think it’s more that his run on top has been longer than anyone else’s due to relative lack of injury and a quick rise to the top while he was still young.

              I don’t mind him. He’s a damn fine wrestler for a guy who’s about 99% homegrown WWE.

              • Manny's BanWagon says:

                Yeah, I love the guy. Considering the amazing charity work he does outside the ring and what he stands for, he really does deserve to be loved.

                Like most athletes, they love you when you’re young, take you for granted in the middle and love you again when you’re at the end of your career so his time is gonna come again someday when he adored.

  23. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Friend of mine still has two friends unaccounted for. It’s probably nothing, but it’d be nice for her peace of mind if she were to get some confirmation they were OK.

  24. Get Phelps Up says:

    Well on a more positive occasion, I just got back from seeing 42 and I must say I really enjoyed it. I was expecting it to be soley a focus on Jackie Robinson and baseball, but it was more than that. It incorporated his family and the day to day struggles that he faced off the field as well as on the field. You could really tell how people warmed up to Jackie over the course of the movie, particularly his teammates. I also really liked how the old baseball stadiums were recreated, especially Ebbets Field. I was definitely surprised how real it looked. I really liked following the Dodgers through the entire 1947 season up until they clinch the pennant, but I was a little disappointed we didn’t get to see the World Series. Other than that, I really enjoyed the movie and would highly recommend spending a few hours of your day to check it out.

  25. Crespo says:

    I don’t how many people on here watch the Oakland broadcast but Ray Fosse is definitely one of the most underrated color guys in the business.

  26. DInnings says:

    My thoughts go out to all surviving victims of this attack and my condolences go out to the families of the three people killed in this attack.

    This is an act of terrorism, no two ways about it.

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