Yankees drop to 1-4 as Hughes comes off DL

Saturday Night Open Thread
DePaula whiffs 11 in long-awaited U.S. debut


Source: FanGraphs

You guys aren’t going to believe this, but the Yankees lost to Tigers on Saturday because the pitching stunk yet again. The offense wasn’t all that great either, but the pitching really stole the crap show on Saturday. Let’s recap…

  • Mediocre Return: In what looked like a Major League rehab start, Phil Hughes allowed four runs (three earned) on eight hits (three for extra bases) in four innings. I guess the good news is that he didn’t walk anyone, but that’s a small consolation prize. Andy Pettitte and Adam Warren are the only pitchers on the team to throw more than five innings in an appearance this year.
  • Bullpen of Doom: It’s stunning how awful the middle of this bullpen is. Boone Logan, David Phelps, and Joba Chamberlain combined to put 12 men on-base in four innings, resulting in four runs (three earned). They walked as many as they struck out (three). The relief corps own an 8.10 ERA as a whole. Bravo.
  • Bad Send: The Yankees managed a double, a triple, and a homer in the second inning yet only scored one run because a) sequencing!, and b) for whatever reason Brennan Boesch was sent home on Frankie Cervelli‘s shallow fly ball to left. He was thrown out by a good ten feet. When you’re struggling to score runs, you can’t be giving away runners like that. There were no outs in the inning and Max Scherzer was giving up rockets all over the field.
  • Some More Offense: The Yankees pushed across three runs in the sixth, two on Lyle Overbay‘s two-out, two-strike single to right. Overbay was the only player on the team with multiple hits, though Kevin Youkilis, Travis Hafner, and Vernon Wells all had a hit and walk. Those guys are the only ones capable of creating runs for the team right now.
  • Leftovers: Brett Gardner saved Hughes’ bacon with a sliding catch to end the third. The Tigers had men on second and third at the time … Jayson Nix bobbled the most routine of routine grounds in the first, resulting in an unearned run. He also went 0-for-3 at the plate with two strikeouts … Robinson Cano went 0-for-3 with a walk and two strikeouts, so anytime he wants to get back from the World Baseball Classic would be cool … the Yankees haven’t scored more than four runs in a game since Game One of the ALDS, 13 games ago.

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs has some additional stats, and ESPN has the updated standings. The Yankees will look to avoid the sweep on Sunday afternoon when CC Sabathia squares off against Justin Verlander. In addition to a win, New York really needs some length out of Sabathia. The bullpen has thrown 17 innings in the last four days.

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Saturday Night Open Thread
DePaula whiffs 11 in long-awaited U.S. debut
  • Laz

    You know your in trouble when the Astros have a better record than you.

    • dalelama

      On this date in 1965:

      – Intelsat 1 (“Early Bird”) 1st coml geosynchronous comm satellite is launched

      • Pinkie Pie

        You must be fun at parties

        • dalelama

          Absolutely…..

        • DC

          Who would invite him??

          • Get Phelps Up

            Eddard?

            • DC

              Only if Dalelama dresses as Nunez.

              • Get Phelps Up

                I’m sure he’s rather dress as Ruben Tejada.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  I can lend him a young Ron Gardenhire costume.

                  Wait, why would I have one of those?

            • jjyank

              Eddard has at least shown optimism at various points in his life.

          • toad

            +1

      • Robinson Tilapia

        This may actually be the first actual funny evolution of your schtick.

  • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

    At least Wells, Hafner, and Youkilis have been great. If only the other players could follow them.

    • forensic

      You could throw Nunez and Cervelli in there too, in just a touch fewer AB’s. Though I’m sure Cervelli will be sat again tomorrow.

      It’s just that Boesch, Overbay (to a lesser extent since he’s at least had 2 good hits), Francisco, Gardner, Cano, Stewart, Nix, and Ichiro have been absolutely terrible and more than out-weighing the couple of good guys.

  • forensic

    They are currently tied for the worst run differential of any team in the majors. Unless the Astros get blown out (which is always possible with them), the Yankees will certainly finish tonight worst in the AL. The Phillies and Padres games determine where they will be overall.

    They’ve given up, by a bunch, the most runs in the majors and have scored the 3rd fewest (with the Indians and Astros still playing to try to catch them) runs in the AL.

    It’s only one trip through the rotation, but they sure are sucking at basically all facets of the game right now.

    • Crespo

      I’m very pleased with the way Youkilis is swinging it, and he looked good in ST too. If he is able to stay healthy and Cano & Gardner are able to step it up that is really good news for the offense.

      Not too worried about CC long-term, and Hughes will be his usual average league starter self. The thing that has me the most concerned up to this point is the bullpen. It gets thin fast out there, and I think we may see Montgomery a lot faster than we all might have thought.

      • And in merrie olde England

        Hernan?

        I agree about CC he never likes the cold, I am being optimstic tats all it is mind…

  • Wilmer

    This maybe the worst win-loss year by any NYY team in the last 40 years. Management failed to plan in the off season. I hope that I am wrong in this prediction.

    • Get Phelps Up

      That would be 96 losses. I think it’s safe to assume that won’t happen.

      • Wilmer

        Just as an FYI we are pacing a worst record than 89 loss. I hope you are correct- if not get ready to wear a brown bag to hide your face.

    • Laz

      How many teams exactly are deep enough to survive losing 5 all stars?

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        Arod, Jeter, Granderson and Teixiera. Who’s the 5th?

        • LennonJames

          I’d assume he is referring to Rodriguez.

          • LennonJames

            Read it fast. FAIL on my part.

        • forensic

          Sadly enough, he maybe counting Pineda.

        • Laz

          Pineda was an all star in 2011. Even if they weren’t expecting him right away, that is quite a bit of depth you would need to back all those positions up.

          • forensic

            This all is always quite a stretch though. Granderson and Teixeira, ok, but 1B shouldn’t necessarily be the most difficult position to fill-in for.

            But, they knew Pineda, A-Rod, and (likely) Jeter wouldn’t be ready for the first half (less for Jeter) of the year already and accounted for them somewhat already. It’s not like they were all sudden shocks on March 31st.

            • MannyGeee

              In fairness, their back up 1B is currently backing up 3B. Not that this should make you feel better, but still. Not like there was a Giambi or Berkman sitting out there waiting for a job.

              • forensic

                That’s not true, Youkilis was their starting 3B because they already knew for a long time that A-Rod was out at least half the season. They never bothered to get a back-up 1B beyond Jayson Nix or Juan Rivera who they initially said was only an OFer.

                • Get Phelps Up

                  Well last year the Yankees’ back up 1B was their starting RF.

                  • forensic

                    I would say last year’s backup 1B was their backup 3B. It only turned out to be their starting RF at the end because they were able to acquire another starting RF.

                    It is debateable though.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Somehow, still, they actually wound up with a guy who actually does meet the criteria of “backup first baseman.” He’s not going to hit much, but Overbay’s not a stiff out there.

                  He still makes me weep, but that’s another story.

                  • MannyGeee

                    This is actually painfully accurate. I don’t know what people were expecting a team to spend for a back up to a $20m gold glove 1B, but from me complaints they were looking for a $10M backup. LoverBay is the prototypical “break glass in case of emergency” backup 1b. Wasn’t long ago we were watching an inferior Doug Meinkeivitzwitch as the STARTING 1B since Giambis glove was so shaky.

          • Manny’s BanWagon

            Even without those guys they’re still running out a team paid about $150 million. They shouldn’t be this bad.

            Pineda never even threw a pitch for this team so I’d hardly count him as “losing an All Star”

            • forensic

              This too, people love to point out the $90 million on the DL, but don’t acknowledge that there’s still $140+ million playing.

              • Manny’s BanWagon

                The only good thing about this season so far is our “friend” completely dropped off this blog.

                • forensic

                  Heh, yup. I haven’t seen him since he really went off the deep end and started call me and a couple others racist KKK members. Hopefully his disappearance means that was enough of a commenting guideline violation, which it clearly is.

                  • Manny’s BanWagon

                    After he went berserk and attacked Mike, he only posted a few times and not in at least the last 3-4 weeks I’d guess

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      He made a few appearances in the chat yesterday IIRC.

                    • forensic

                      Yeah, I haven’t even mentioned it, didn’t want to jinx anything. Might have to check out the chat from yesterday though, see if he really did appear.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    I really doubt he was banned, however silly and over the top I thought all that was.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      It wouldn’t make sense to ban him and not ban guys like Dalelama, stuart a, etc.

                    • forensic

                      Well, Dalelama and Stuart never really go and attack people like that. They may violate other guidelines, but not that one.

                    • dalelama

                      I never attack anyone personally unless attacked first.

            • And in merrie olde England

              Surely, the roster was constructed with his all star arm in mind?

        • WhittakerWalt

          Swisher certainly had the potential to play like an all-star. Regular season only, obvi.

    • Kiko Jones

      Aside from the injuries, my perception of this mess is that Hal let opportunities slide while in thrift mode and once he snapped out of it it was too late to pick up anyone of value. Am I right?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Plan for what? Meeting Wilmer’s standards?

  • Endlessjose

    Remember the Yankees tend to play bad in April.There a second half type team.Remember Andrew Jones and Raul Ibanez were our best hitters last year in April and Jorge Posada the year before that.

    The Yankees hitters are a little cold but it takes a few weeks to get going.I just hope TExiera and Granderson get hot when they come back because there’s no way A-Rod comes back this season.

  • Dave M

    Get used to it. Gonna be a long year!!!!!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think a whole lot of us are ready for whatever comes.

  • Long season

    Time to start the rebuilding. How many good prospects do you think they could get if they traded CC Sabathia?

    • Crespo

      Hmm..it’d be tough to get him to waive his no-trade. But he might be down to go to the Dodgers. Yasiel Puig?

      • Laz

        Kershaw/Greinke/Sabathia/Beckett.
        That is one power rotation

        • Crespo

          Yea, minus Beckett

        • forensic

          If only they could score. 8 runs allowed in 5 games, but just a 3-2 record. That’s gotta be incredibly frustrating in its own way.

      • vicki

        dodger fans would go all buhner-trade-psycho if that happened.

  • Rex

    There is a strong case to be made for firing the Yankees scouting team, the part that handles pitchers. Apart from Andy petite (and maybe a copule more) we have not had a single legitimate starter since the 90s. By legitimate I mean a) a number 2-3 in the rotation an b) one with at least two full good number 2-3 years in the show.

    I dont care that they did not get top 15 picks. Just by the fucking law of Large numbers they should have drafted a legit pitcher.

    Sorry, i hope im wrong but it sure seems like Im right.

    • MannyGeee

      You know who should evaluate talent for the Yankees? The dude who spell checks your shit.

      • jjyank

        My biggest pet peeve? People misspelling Pettitte. And it’s not just this comment, it happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. He’s probably the best starting pitcher the team has produced in 25 years, is generally loved by all, and yet too many fans can’t spell his name. It’s 2 (two) T’s, twice (2×2). Not that hard.

        /rant

        • WhittakerWalt

          It reminds me of how Knicks fans used to call Jeff Van Gundy “Coach Gundy.”

        • 461Deep

          T xx two Pettitte is better than Yu
          Yankees coulda, shudda, tried for and maybe woulda had 1 or 2 of FA J. or B.J. Upton, Bourne, either Soriano, Big Game etc. But despite being worth more than any Sports Franchise in history went to CHEAPOVILLE over the 189 M BS.

        • Rex

          I dont give a rats ass about the way petttite spells his name. If you have a valid point beyond your nit picking on the fringe non-details your opinion means jack shit. Fucking respect and names, dumb fans.

          • MannyGeee

            OK I’ll bite. It’s easy to say the Yankees shoulda drafted all these amazing pitchers and people should be fired. But I assume you are aware that prospects are as hit or miss as they come, and in every occasion you could come up with, other teams passed up on cant miss pitchers (save for the Rays, who spent the better part of the past decade drafting in the to 10).

            Again, I am on the assumption you mean drafting pitchers. Since The Yankees have not depended on drafts to build their rotation in our generation. CC, Clemens, Cone, Wells, Moose, Kuroda, Wang, all good to great pitchers on this team in the not too distant past and obtained by non draft means.

            And also, your spelling sucks.

            better?

          • Pat D

            This makes absolutely no sense. You just said if he has a valid point his opinion means nothing.

    • A.D.

      They developed Wang who should fit that criteria
      El Duque probably fits but didn’t really develop him.

      Otherwise you may be correct but it seems like to some extent those folks scouting and developing players has evolved over time

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’re wrong.

    • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

      IPK says hello.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    Arod, Jeter, Granderson and Teixiera. Who’s the 5th?

    • Hoss

      Aardsma

  • Eddard

    After the Yankees get swept tomorrow, and they will get swept tomorrow, there needs to be some changes. Rob Thompson should not be the 3rd base coach. He’s always getting runners thrown out at home. With Nuney hurt the only fast runner is Gardner. He’s sending the likes of Boesch with 0 outs when we’re struggling to score runs.

    And can any starting pitcher besides Andy put up a quality start? If they were throwing quality starts we’d have a chance. Pitching was supposed to be the strength. We just have to hope Hiroki can start on Monday and they can turn things around in Cleveland cause they ain’t beating Verlander.

    • Crespo

      Ouch. Zero love for CC tomorrow

    • Get Phelps Up

      Nunez needs to hit cleanup.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Nuney has a legit shot at the MVP this year. I predict 400+ total bases and at least 150 runs scored.
        Book it.

    • DC

      I want to hear Eddard explain his Wells comments:

      Eddard says:
      March 24, 2013 at 7:57 pm
      Paying him $1 million is a mistake let alone 13. What a disaster. And here I thought the F.O. had patience and was going to let the kids have a shot until Teix, Granderson and Jeter return. New boss same as the old boss.

      Eddard says:
      April 6, 2013 at 4:35 pm
      What a great pick up by Cashman. Vernon Wells is on a mission to prove everyone wrong. Now just put the ball in play and get that runner on 3rd home.

      • MannyGeee

        I was about 110% positive that you wouldn’t need CSI to find this (called it during the game thread)….

        I think he’s just being ironic now. To be honest, I respect Eddard committing to the bit more than I respect his actual thoughts and opinion…

      • Anthony

        Oh man this is amazing

  • Leg-End

    They are a tough watch. It’s early, too early to start the doomsday thinking but its hard to see any positives in the short and long term right now.

  • Mike

    Really nice to see Hughes perform well in his first start. If you don’t count that last inning I mean.

    • dalelama

      Heavy sarcasm……

      • jjyank

        Your mom is heavy sarcasm.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That reply is one word too long.

        • dalelama

          Just because chicks can’ t stand you and the Yanks suck this year is no reason to bring someone’s Mom into it. Are you naturally a loser or do you have to work at it?

          • jjyank

            Your mom is naturally a loser.

          • jjyank

            For the record, dalelama, you brought up made up shit about my personal life before I did. So maybe you should just shut the fuck up.

            • Pat D

              A consummation devoutly to be wished.

  • saf

    So Vernon wells leads the team in HR, RBI, and Runs.

    • forensic

      He has 3 runs, so does Hafner. Youkilis has 4.

      He’s also tied with Overbay in RBI (4).

  • Dicka24

    Man, Michael Morse and his 4 homers sure would have been nice to have right about now.

    The Yankees are bad right now, but I expect them to be better. Their pitching has totally underperformed which was considered the teams strength, so I think that will eventually correct itself. Plus at some point Grandy and Jeter will be back, and hopefully Tex there after. The worry I have is that they dig themselves too deep a hole before they do get back. They need to keep the win/loss record managable till May. This start isn’t helping.

    • Crespo

      How the fuck were they supposed to get Morse? There aren’t any Jasos or AJ Cole’s just lying around in the system right now.

      • jobas fat stache

        Go over to nyy forum – they think every player on the farm is a future superstar.
        Truth is there are no impact players down there. Fire oppenheimer pronto.

    • Hoss

      Be glad they didn’t give up prospects for 1 year of Morse.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        This.

  • Hoss

    Bad play in the first 5 games is no reason to panic. It is too small of a sample size.
    The disabled will return, but I do question their ability to be effective coming off serious injuries, especially Jeter (at shortstop), Texeira (who may be out longer than a month), and A-Rod (who may not be back at all this season). Granderson should be his same K or HR self, but the fact that Joe won’t put him in LF hurts the defense.
    But the pitching must pick up, and letting Aardsma go when they could have sent Eppley down and made another 40-man move is another bad FO decision. I’m not expecting great decisions after all of the missteps since the offseason.

  • MannyGeee

    Meh. Tough game against a major lineup. Boone Logan is trying to kill me, and I am pissing myself with excitement to the shit show on Monday’s Fan Confidence Poll. It’s gonna be hari kari…

    • jjyank

      Might need to skip that one.

    • vicki

      i never read that comments section; my monday slacking time is limited. but that’s some endorsement.

  • Glass Half Full

    1998 Yankees were 1-4 through 5 games with a -21 run differential. So basically we’re headed for 118-44 record

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      It’s the only logical conclusion.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Definitely.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Bingo.

      If you squint enough, and hit yourself over the head with a bat enough times, Lyle Overbay does kinda look like Tino.

      • MannyGeee

        I can’t wait till we re sign LoverBay in 2018 and everyone reminds us about how he’s a gamer.

  • Crespo

    JoseMo getting all types of calls for TB pitchers right now

  • Crespo

    No way. Who just saw this Atlanta game?

    • Get Phelps Up

      My fantasy team needs the Cubs to hurry up and make Fujikawa the closer.

      • Evan3457

        Might not be as easy to do that as it seems. Before Marmol gave up HRs to the Upton brothers to blow the game, Fujikawa turned a 5-1 lead into a game by coughing up 4 hits, a BB and 3 runs in the 8th.

        • forensic

          Looks like that included a 2-run hit for Ramiro Pena too. That alone is almost a demoteable offense.

          • WhittakerWalt

            That’s gotta be a career high in RBIs for Peña.

    • vicki

      i did. are you more shocked by the brothers’ homeruns in the 9th to win it or ramiro pena’s clutch hit in the 8th to set them up?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    What a bunch of spoiled fucking whiners. If I were a lesser person, I’d almost want this team to finish last so that half these idiots would either finally grow up or just go root for someone else and leave the real Yankee fans alone.

    In all seriousness, though, i didn’t watch a lick of the game, but did take a few glances at Gameday throughout the day. It seemed like Hughes was actually pitching very well until he began to hit his pitch limit. Am I off on that? If so, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to say he had a bad outing.

    Part of the margin of error here was going to be whether guys like Nova and Phelps were able to step up. So far, and it’s still damn early, they’re not. Draw your own conclusions as to what that means.

    • Luis Castillo (Not the one who europea the ball)

      Yeah I think you are off on Hughes, he wasn’t good at all… Man, when he faces Cabrera is pathetic, I get that Cabrera is probably the best hitter on Earth but Hughes has to be one of his favorite biatches. Wich got me thinking (again) what could’ve been after 2007 if the yanks don’t sign Rodriguez and trade for Miguel Cabrera. Boy he would’ve raked at YS.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’s been six years. Let go.

      • Pat D

        Well, they probably don’t win the World Series, for one.

        And then the NY tabloids have an absolute field day with Cabrera for his DUI’s.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Yeah, no way to spin Hughes’ outing into anything close to good. Wanna give him a pass because he missed most of ST, fine but his performance and the phrase “pitching well” don’t belong in the same sentence.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Like I said, didn’t see it. The ball/strike comparison looked foot and it was 1-1 into the fourth. Sounded like he may have started well but then hit a wall as he approached the 85-90 pitches he was supposed to go.

        • Manny’s BanWagon

          Hughes gave up 2 hits in the 1st, 2 hits in the 3rd, 1 hit in the 4th before the wheels fell off in the 5th and only had 7 swings and misses out of 87 pitches.

          I’m not trying to be argumentative but I saw a decent part of the game and thought Phil was not sharp. I didn’t expect much since he probably should have had another start or 2 in the minors and I’m optimistic this is going to be the year he puts it together but IMO, he wasn’t pitching all that well even before the 5th when he got banged around.

        • hogsmog

          I mean, there’s also the part where he approached 85-90 pitches after only completing 4 innings, so even if he does throw well during that time, efficiency is going to be as big an issue as ever for him.

    • Slu

      Thank god you are here to tell us all what to think. As usual.

    • Puppet

      You’re hilarious man, you bang on the doom and gloom crowd all off-season when they say the Yankees are going to be horse shit and then when they are (granted it is early) you play the “spoiled brat” card. And you do all this by not even watching the games.

      If you want to take a half ass approach to the season fine, but
      1) Don’t rail on people who are suspect of this team, until proven otherwise they have been and are completely right.
      2) Don’t act like you know a goddamn thing about this team by just stroking off jjyank at all times. You might want to actually watch a few AB’s and you would see what the Hell is going on right now.

      Now do your typical, not funny at all, attempt at something comedic and the shut your mouth.

      • hogsmog

        Some of us work during the games and don’t have TV. I feel like box scores, recaps, and highlights can be fun and informative, and educated opinions can indeed be made off of them.

    • JoeNotARealFan

      A real fan might actually want to see some highlights before determining how Hughes pitched

      A real fan might have realized having at least a guy on 2nd base in every inning but one, is not pitching very well (you could have gotten this from gameday or a box score so you didn’t even need to see the game to know this)

      A real fan might have read Mike A’s summary and the note about Brett Gardner bailing his ass out of a couple of more runs with a great catch.

      A real fan wouldn’t just ignore the 5th inning, but even if they did they’d also probably realize he had 6 baserunners and 2 extra basehits over the first 4 innings…

      I’m not a fan of all the negativity here, but good grief, that doesn’t mean you should just make shit up in a weak attempt to put a positive spin on things and then use the copout “well I didn’t see the game”. If you didn’t see the game maybe you shouldn’t be subjectively evaluating the pitching performance and then preaching to people what a real fan is and thinks

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        I generally think RT is one of the more thoughtful and articulate commenters around but that post scolding everyone is a little too self righteous for my taste. Trying to spin Hughes start into something positive by looking at the box score is also pretty off base. . He deserves the benefit of the doubt though IMO because we’ve all posted things we wish we could take back.

        We’re all frustrated though about the putrid baseball we’ve seen so far and there’s been little positive with this team pretty much since they knocked Baltimore out of the playoffs so that’s why there’s so much negativity. These comment sections pretty much reflect what goes on with the team.

        • dalelama

          RT is basically a good guy with the frequently seen bias towards the home team which at times can lead to some judgments which turn out to be wrong. It is hard to admit the team, to which you have made such an emotional investment, sucks.

      • Steve

        You may be asking a bit too much. Can he just make a hilarious spelling joke instead?

    • MannyGeee

      Hughes looked like Hughes. Came in strong, lost confidence when he got to 2 strike counts, gave up a meatball or 3′ ran his pitch count up too high to be of use in the middle innings.

      Everything we’ve seen over the past 6 seasons. Nothing to go too nuts over, nothing unexpected.

  • WhittakerWalt

    5 homers for Justin Upton. Thank god we didn’t make a deal for him.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’d then have Justin Upton, a bunch of hurt old guys, and still have holes to fill, just with a depleted system. Tough call there.

      • Slu

        Yeah, and maybe another win or two.

        • MannyGeee

          With 158 to go.

    • Get Phelps Up

      We didn’t/don’t have a Martin Prado player.

      • LK

        The Diamondbacks also agreed to a trade with Seattle that didn’t include any sort of Prado-like player. They clearly weren’t married to a particular sort of package. Reports were they didn’t like the Yanks’ prospects though (which would make sense since none are particularly close to the majors).

  • i like bacon

    dont want to bash hughes for this one. he needs more time to get ready. lets just start with some of the holes this team has. we need a major league catcher for sure. a quality starting pitcher, definetly some bull pen help. the fill ins have been good, youk, wells, pronk and overbay. and wait for every one to come off the dl.
    heres my one wish and i dont care if people bash away, let cano go. the team is no better with him or without. use that money to rebuild.

    • forensic

      The catcher has been their 3rd best hitter so far. It’s not his fault Girardi wants to see how much PT he can give to the worst player on the roster and still get away with it.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Girardi has the same weakness that most shitty-hitting-catchers-turned-managers have: a disproportionate appreciation for other catchers who can’t hit. Something about the complete inability to hit fools so many managers into thinking the player must have some other qualities. Some intangibles. Some ability to “play the game the right way.”
        Or something.
        Hence, Chris Stewart.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    man oh man, that pitching!!! They can’t allow 8+ runs in every game if they want to win some games this year.

    Other than that I’m pleasantly surprised by Hafner, Wells and especially Youkilis. Those guys are carrying the offense. Too bad 3 players can only do so much. Where’s Robby Cano anyway? He was nowhere to be seen aside of the K by K features during the first week.

  • mt

    The middle bullpen performance is surprising – did not expect it to be so bad – Joba was hard to watch yesterday (not to even mention his pornstache.) Eppley, Kelley, and Phelps have also really struggled. Using Logan in the middle of the fifth inning to get Fielder out with men on base – never thought that was Logan’s strength – if Joe is going to do that maybe should have gone with a more traditional LOOGY on staff (Cedeno?).

    What is not surprising (at least to me) is Cano’s complete and utter disappearance now when the games count, gaudy WBC MVP and spring training stats be damned – I wonder if contact is weighing on his mind – I heard on radio (Suzyn W – so take it for what it is worth) that he mentioned that he may only get one good pitch to hit in each AB – that may be true but doesn’t mean he has to swing at the bad ones.

    The sad thing is that the new plug-in acquistions that make up the 2006 All Star retread brigade (Wells, Youkilis, Hafner, and even Overbay) have actually been pretty good but most of the rest of the team has been absolutely putrid (Mo, Robertson’s 4 pitch inning, and Pettite are exceptions). We need to take advantage of every hit from those retread guys before injury and/or performance regression take over.

    • mt

      “contract” weighing on his mind.

  • mt

    Also not sure if he would have come here but although we legitimately focused on pitching (Kuroda, Pettite, and Mo), I think we should have been able to multi-task and aggressively pursue Torii Hunter- we lost him because of the 2 year deal issue, I guess. So now we end up with Ichiro on a 2 year contract (who looks dreadful so far) and, after injuries, Vernon Wells at a pretty steep price (at least in 2013). I understand letting Swisher go but not pursuing Hunter aggresively was a head scratcher.

    But if we had signed Hunter he probably would have gotten hurt in spring training – sigh!

    • Bavarian Yankee

      If you read/saw Hunter’s interviews then I think it’s hard to believe he would’ve chosen the Yanks over the Tigers even if they would’ve offered him 2 years. He wanted to be a Tiger.

  • Casey Finnegan

    On the pitching – it took girardi all of five seconds to go into arms folded mode after nova came out, and conversation to ensue with rotheschild. It is the same personnel on the mound as last year, we should expect similar outings, just different in the win loss column. (See kevin long)

  • Pistol pete

    This is a 70 win team that is going to be in full fledged rebuilding after this season. Next year likely there will be no Cano, Jeter, Youkalis, Pettitte, Kuroda, Joba, and Rivera. The Yankees would be smart to leverage aging but competitive veterans like Pettitte, Kuroda, Youkalis, and yes Rivera in addition to getting all they can for younger stars like Cano and Granderson to build up enough young talent to compete down the road and trade for younger players. Who’s kidding who, this team is going absolutely no where. It’s really nobody’s fault 17 of 18 years in the playoffs had to end somewhere. Next year they’ll still have Tex, Arod, Gardner, Ichiro, and CC signed to build from. It’s going to be a long haul but the Yanks need a ss and catcher first, a 2nd baseman and power outfielder, 4 starters and a closer, good luck, we are officially the 2004 thru 2012 Mets.

  • TomH

    The downside of the 2013 NYY has been well explored: Cano, Ichiro, and Gardner on sabbatical, the BP a train wreck, etc.

    However, even if to say so seems a comical cliche at the moment, it is really really early; and these guys have to be given some time to learn to play together as a team, under live fire (it ain’t March any more).

    Like others, I’m pleasantly surprised by Hafner and Wells. Cervelli has been acceptable. Overbay looks pretty good in the field. Etc.

    My concern is with the pitching. I’ve never thought it was that secure, what with age and injury-returnings. If it doesn’t show, pretty damned soon, that it can hold the fort during April and May, the Yanks will definitely be, as in my gloomier pre-season moods I’ve predicted (to scorn), 10 or more games behind by the end of June. When the wounded return to their positions, Cashman has in place, in the present starting lineup(s), the makings of a first-rate bench. But he’ll not replace the pitching.

    It’s too early to talk about BIG GAMES, but if such a thing as a second-week-of-season big game exists, today’s showing by CC has to be considered a candidate. The middle Pen needs rest, and, in any case, the Yanks haven’t the luxury of a slow April start by anyone, and definitely not by Sabathia.

  • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

    Help me Robinson Cano. You’re our only hope.

  • Pat D

    I was going to go off on a really long rant about some of the shit on this thread, but I don’t feel like wasting the time.

    Yea, there’s a good chance this team won’t be any good. You know what my honest feelings on that are? Oh, well, shit happens. It’s happened before. I have vague memories of 1990 and 1991. I say vague because I’d stopped rooting for the Yankees those years. Not because they sucked, but because they traded my favorite player.

    But there’s really no point in bitching about them sucking because it won’t change anything. You can say fire this guy and that guy, it won’t matter. You’re just going to have to endure the sucktitude. This team has won 5 World Series in my life. That’s more than any other team. I’d say we’re probably spoiled, wouldn’t you?

    To all these relatively new posters who think it’s a good idea to start attacking regulars like Robinson Tilapia and jjyank: keep it up. You’ll soon find it’s a bad idea.

    Mini-rant over.

    • Slu

      Deifying the “regulars” is the only thing more annoying than the prospect hugging that goes on around here. In fact, many of these “regulars” make many of comment threads unreadable. I don’t read many of them anymore for this exact reason. So frankly, if being critical of “regulars” is a problem around here, there are other places to get Yankees news and analysis.

  • OldYanksFan

    “Other than that I’m pleasantly surprised by Hafner, Wells and especially Youkilis”

    Look, this teams isn’t going anywhere unless Teix, Grandy and Jeter all return ‘on schedule’ and play up to expectations. If that happens, that fact that Hafner, Wells and Youkilis might actually contribute is encouraging.

    I don’t expect CC to have a 7.20 ERA this season.
    I don’t expect Phelps to have a 6.75 ERA this season.
    I DO expect Hiroki to pitch more the 1.1 innings a game.

    Let’s not freak too much.
    This is not a great team, but they are better then we have seen in 5 games.

    After all, we are only 1 game behind the World Series winning Blue Jays.

  • trr

    Patience.
    Patience and Forbearance.

  • Hank

    Now mike axisa loves Kevin Youkilis, after spending much of the offseason berating his signing. Way to jump in the bandwagon, and way to have no clue what you are talking about. Youkilis was not a good signing, he was a great signing. Injuries are always a risk, but he brings a lot to this team. We are very lucky to have him in pinstripes.