Yankees lose Kuroda in loss to Red Sox

Updates: Kuroda day-to-day with bruised middle finger after line drive
Table-setters behind (super) early offensive struggles

It’s only been two games, but the Yankees look about as flat and uninteresting as I can ever remember. It’s basically everything that was said about the team during the offseason and Spring Training come to life — the old players look washed up and the young guys aren’t really good enough. Two games into the season, the Yankees have scored six runs and surrendered 15.


A Pronk’s Bomber
The Yankees tried the small ball/extended rally thing on Opening Day and the result was a non-competitive showing on offense. On Wednesday they got back to doing what they do best, and that’s clobbering the ball over the fence for homers. Travis Hafner (solo) and Vernon Wells (three-run) both hit their first homers in pinstripes, though in both cases they were too little too late. The Yankees were down six when Wells hit his off Aceves in the eighth.

Unlike the last … I dunno, 15 years or so, it doesn’t feel like the Yankees can score runs at any time this year. The lineup just isn’t good enough. In the past they had lineups that were deep with power and patience, but now they have a bunch of slap-hitters in front of Robinson Cano and reclamation projects in the middle of the order. They put the token runner on-base every so often but it never really feels like this lineup is a threat. I dunno, maybe it’s just me.

Losing sucks and all that, but I would gladly trade a loss in the standings for a healthy Hiroki Kuroda. The right-hander looked a little shaky — command wasn’t great but he was battling, as usual — before this happened leading off the second:

That ball hit Kuroda in the finger tips and forced him from the game with a contusion. He actually stayed in and faced a few more hitters after throwing some warm-up pitches for the trainer, but his command was completely gone and it was obvious something was wrong. Thankfully x-rays were negative and it’s just a bruise.

Warren Saves The Day
One of the few good things to come out of Wednesday’s loss was Adam Warren‘s long-relief performance, which if nothing else moved the game along quickly and got it over with at a reasonable time. He allowed two inherited runners to score but spared the rest of the bullpen by throwing 5.1 innings of one-run ball on 86 pitches. Warren allowed five hits and one walk against four strikeouts while showing off a real nice changeup. If Kuroda winds up missing a start due to the finger, Warren put himself in position to enter the rotation. He’s been the bright spot of the two-game-old season.


It’s pretty silly that the Yankees cut David Aardsma because he couldn’t throw multiple innings and instead kept Cody Eppley, who can’t get lefties out. Sure enough, Joe Girardi allowed him to face multiple left-handed hitters on Wednesday and the result was multiple runs (three and two, respectively). The game was effectively over once Eppley worked his magic.

How about defense-first catcher Chris Stewart? He let an Eppley pitch get by him to advance a runner and also made an off-line throw to second on a stolen base attempt. To his credit, did he make a great catch along the third base dugout railing and nearly flipped over. That play earned him another ten weeks of playing time, I’m sure. Stewart went 0-for-2 before being lifted for a pinch-hitter and hit one ball to the warning track, which should really count as a homer for him.

Wells actually had three hits, believe it or not. Kevin Youkilis and Eduardo Nunez chipped in two apiece while Hafner and Lyle Overbay each had one hit. The top three hitters in the lineup went a combined 0-for-12 with a walk (Ichiro Suzuki) and a hit-by-pitch (Ben Francisco pinch-hitting for Ichiro). Nunez also drew a walk and committed an error, but it was a tough play. It’s easy to pile on him for the defense but he deserves a pass for that one, it was a hard-hit short-hop grounder.

Didn’t realize this the other day, but six players made their Yankees debut on Monday. That’s the most since the franchise’s very first game (!), and I’m talking about 1903 with the Highlanders. Yikes.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs the nerdy stats, and ESPN the updated standings.

Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
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Updates: Kuroda day-to-day with bruised middle finger after line drive
Table-setters behind (super) early offensive struggles
  • Eddard

    It’s like I said in the game thread, I wanted to give this team a chance but it’s been 2 games. I just haven’t seen anything to indicate that this team will be a contender in the gritty and gutty AL East.

    Boston is playing the small ball that we should be playing. Girardi is sitting back waiting for the 3 run HR but by the time we hit one we were already down 6 runs. It took him 2 outs to send Eduardo Nuney and get him in scoring position. Let him fly. And cut Cody Eppley.

    Andy is going to have to save the day once again. If Dumpster is starting we might have a shot since we’ll get to field our C- lineup for the second day in a row.

    • jjyank

      If you want to give the team a chance, 2 games is a shitty cut off point.


      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

        The comment, “I wanted to give this team a chance but it’s been two games” is completely ridiculous.

        • jjyank

          Eddard World at its finest.

    • Bo Knows

      So does that mean you’ll go away for the rest of the season?

      Please say yes

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        It’s clearly intended as satire at this point.

    • Bob Buttons

      Anyone ever tell you that you don’t play small ball down by that much?

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      You’re not quite at Big Member’s level yet, but well played, Eddard.

    • DInnings

      Oh shut up. Boston just collected two garbage wins. They caught Sabathia on a rare bad night and faced the Yanks #2 starter (and 2012 dual ace) Kuroda for only an inning and a third. They are worse than they look. 75 wins tops and I’m being kind.

      Toronto is 0-2, too. They dropped two to a friggin’ 68-94 team worse than the Red Sox (69-93) and are 73-91 since last season, whatever and whatever after 1993 as far as I’m concerned. Soooo sick of hearing how good they’re gonna be. They get three starting pitchers and two hitters and they’re division winners even though all they did was MAYBE match the Yankees front three starters. Sabathia, Kuroda, Pettitte > Dickey, Johnson, Buerhle.
      They matched the Yanks SS offensively cuz I’m not writing off Jeter yet. Let’s see Melky off the PEDs.

      Hey, the Yanks are on pace for a 162 homerun season with 2 homeruns in the first two games : )

      ‘Know what annoys me about all the “Yanks can’t hit” talk? No one ever stops to think that Toronto would be in a bigger world of shit than the Yanks if Encarnacion, Reyes, and Cabrera were on the DL, Johnson was headed to the DL (like Kuroda is), and Bautista either signed elsewhere or was injured, too, cuz (Toronto’s) bullpen sucks

      I’ll say it: if the 2013 Yanks don’t make the postseason it will be because of all the injuries. Call it an excuse, I call it truth. This team is the most snakebitten Yankees team ever.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        The Blue Jays are better than the Yankees right now. Reyes can actually play defense, while E5 and Bautista are better hitters than everyone on our team not named Robbie Cano. Even off the drugs, Melky is far better than Ichiro and Wells.

        Not to mention that Morrow is pretty much at the same level as Pettitte and Kuroda at this point. CC is the best pitcher on either staff, but they have a #1 in Dickey, a #2 in Johnson (when healthy), a #2/3 in Morrow and a #3/4 in Buerhle while the Yankees have a #1, a number #2/3 in Kuroda, a #3 in Pettitte and a #4 in Hughes.

        • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

          Lolwut? Lets get into the season a touch more before we proclaim Melky Cabrera “far better” than Wells and Ichiro, shall we?

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            Okay, I’ll just look at the last two seasons then.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              Last season at least he was jucing-if he isn’t anymore, well, we’ll see.

            • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

              That would be rational if he:

              -hadn’t been caught juicing
              -hadn’t completely sucked prior (and the level of suck was pretty epic)

    • d

      The Dal E Chronicles unfold….Losing like its 1965.

  • Scott

    I’m not that doom & gloom about the season yet – let’s see when & how the hitters return from injury – but I disagree about two Yanks I thought looked bad today.

    1) Warren looked bad. Ok not great command, which ain’t good enough given that he hit 90-92 only early on, dropping down to 88-90 later, without sinking action (and without any great breaking pitch). Lots of long fly balls. He looks a lot like Phil Hughes minus 3 MPH: straight FB, ok not great command, middling secondary offerings, lots of fly balls. I see why he just had two middling years at AAA and why the Yanks don’t project him as a major-league starter.

    2) Nunez looked uncomfortable: that bad hop wasn’t that crazily hit a ball; and there was another ground ball he showed good range smothering, but then lacked the confidence to make a throw, so he just held the ball, even though non-runner Napoli was the runner. I’m still guardedly optimistic his range and arm will make up for the errors, but today wasn’t a good sign.

    • DInnings

      Warren looked bad? What game where you watching? He pitched more innings and gave up less runs than Sabathia did on Monday, he saved the bullpen, and that’s good as far as I’m concerned. You do know he’s the last man in the bullpen depth-wise, right? Mopup men are just that. If he pitched 5.1 innings of shutout or one-run ball he’d be in the rotation. He didn’t start the game and wasn’t auditioning to be a starter.

      Nunez has played good defense so far. That ball was a bad hop.

      Mike Axisa lay of Chris Stewart. He didn’t ask Cashman to essentially pay $14M, $3M less than what the Pirates signed Martin through 2014 for, for Vernon Wells. Nice two games by Wells so far, but it’s only two games. I can see Stewart and Nix being the go to punching bags / voodoo dolls on the comments sections for River Avenue Blues, Yankees Lohud, and It’s All About The Money. Stewart is a career backup catcher, nothing more, nothing less.

      It’s only two games, folks. The Yanks are even with the mighty Blue Jays who haven’t done shit in two decades yet are being annointed the division champs based on their ON PAPER team.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Good fielders make the plays on bad hops, too. That’s part of what being a good fielder is. Anyone can handle the easy hops.
        Chris Stewart deserves every bit of scorn he gets. He’s a useless player. He’s not even a good backup catcher.

    • vicki

      a-war looked bad for a mere couple batters. he settled and looked fine, but who knows, the leverage was pretty fucking low by then.

      nuni just looked cold. but he’s growing on me, in the field even. sometimes he’s not as clever as he’s trying to be, but he WANTS to be a smart ballplayer.

    • MannyGeee

      What game were YOU watching?

    • Ron Hassey

      Agree on Nunez. The guy is just not comfortable at SS. He has too much time to think. It is not a natural position for him. He should have easily thrown out Napoli and also misplayed a ball when the infield was in letting a run score (even though he made the out at firs).

  • Pudge

    160 games to go


  • briang

    “the old players looked washed up”….hafner homered, wells homered, youkilis had two hits…..i guess that leaves hitless ichiro as the washed up old guy? negativity is contagious. let’s give these dudes a chance to play some baseball.

    • Kiko Jones


  • forensic

    Is this the real life?
    Is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a landslide,
    No escape from reality.

    • forensic

      I know it’s bad, just couldn’t resist…

    • Anthony

      Nailed it.

    • Bob Buttons

      Frail like a butterfly
      Weak like a bee
      We can’t hit
      With the lineup we see

  • Slu

    It is frustrating to start the season like this for sure. But reading in too much to one series, let alone two games, is a little crazy. I am down on the team this year as well, but things could look drastically different after the next game.

    And enough with the gifs. Someone is going to have a seizure.

    • forensic

      I kind of agree with the gif’s. A link to the video would be plenty. Half the time you can’t see anything with how quickly they reload anyway.

      Not to mention they can wreak havoc with loading and refreshing and things on mobile devices sometimes.

  • CONservative governMENt

    Team makes offseason moves I like: 0-2 start is meaningless sample, supported by World Series and 100+ win teams that started 0-2

    Team makes offseason moves I don’t like: 0-2 is harbinger of terrible things to come!

    • Now Batting

      Really? Have you seen the lineup? Your comparison is crap.

      • Barry

        Our line-up today will look completely different in June, and this season is 6 months long, not two months.

        • Now Batting

          You’re right. Youkilis and Hafner will be hurt by then.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            And Grandy, Jeter and Teix will be back.

            • Jack P

              With Jeter/Tex/Grandy back we might be a 3rd place team.. hell maybe even sneak into second, but unless Hal wants to shake things up a little bit we aint making no stinkin playoffs.

              This isn’t an observation after 2 games, we’ve been on the age decline for a while and now production decline for almost a year. We did nothing in this off-season to improve on last years roster.

              Wake up.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                If we’re in second place in the AL East, we are in the WC Game, and who knows at that point.

                We have a top 3 rotation in the AL, if a couple of guys get hot this month and we’re .500 at the end of April we should definitely be able to compete for a playoff spot.

            • Now Batting

              The only one of those three you can reasonably expect to come back in full health is Granderson.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                Honestly, I’m more worried about Grandy than Jeter. Jeter already doesn’t play defense, so it’s not that much of a loss if he needs a walker to play the field. Grandy’s entire game is predicated on his power at this point and I’m not sure how much his forearm injury will affect that.

                • Now Batting

                  Jeter needs to be able to run and hit still. Hell he needs to be able to play a full game in the minors, let alone back to back. He still hasn’t even done that. The only silver lining with Granderson is his injury came on a HBP. I’m no doctor but I’d assume he didn’t have any ligament damage and once the bone heals he’ll be 100%.

                  • Cool Lester Smooth

                    It sounds like he’s moving around decently. I know ankle injuries are no joke, but he got a cortisone shot and should be fine in a couple of weeks.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

      Unnecessary political reference in your name aside, I agree with you completely.

  • Real Life

    How many losses until you dummies admit this team is awful. Other than Cano the best players on on the DL. They are relying on a combination of has beens and never will bes. Do yourself a favor and expect to suck. It has been doing wonders for me. Normally I would break my TV after these games, but since I expected this I just started laughing and watched Melo drop 40.Knicks!

    • jjyank

      People who think the team can be a contender of the course of a long season (including getting injured players back) aren’t dummies. The just disagree with you. You’re just as bad as any optimist calling any pessimist a troll.

    • DInnings

      Good, go watch the Knicks who haven’t done shit since 1999 the year they made the playoffs as a barely over .500 team in a strike-shortened season and watch only them. You showed your true colors as a Yankee fan bro.

      You’re a fair-weather fan plain and simple. The Knicks win ten (eleven?) in a row and you’re coming off like they’re worth watching more than the Yanks when they are not. You think they are, good, watch them instead of the Yanks. The Knicks have sucked or been mediocre so long a new New York city team was created so people wouldn’t have to watch them.

  • Mike HC

    I think the bright spots are Youk, Hafner and Wells. When our regulars get healthy, the lineup could shape up to be pretty damn good.

    • Barry

      Agreed, if they all come out of April/May looking good and we add on healthy and productive Tex/Grandy/ARod(Shocker) We could end up being the team to beat and not the team to beat on.

  • Barry

    It’s been two games everyone. No need to panic. AP will get his first win tomorrow. Things will start to click, at least to the tune of ~.500 and then we’ll have Tex and Grandyman back and things won’t be so dark.

  • Mike

    Look at the bright side. The pen held down the sox after Kuroda went down and the sox prospects keep getting exposed.

    • Dalek Jeter

      The pen Adam Warren held down the sox after Kuroda went down and the sox prospects keep getting exposed.

  • The Doctor

    Just string together a couple wins and we’re at .500. Stay around there until the regulars are back and everything should be fine. Not panicking yet.

    With that said, I’ll be focusing on the much easier to watch LA Kings in the meantime. My whole life the Kings had been my bad team and the Yankees my good team. This is just bizarre.

    • jjyank

      I don’t follow hockey, but I agree with you otherwise. It’s been 2 games. The team is obviously diminished and struggling, but if they can hold their heads above water to mid-May, I still think they can make a run at the division.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Lucky you.

      My only other real team is the Eagles. They suck and it’s this offseason.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    Meh, whatever. It is what it is right now.

    One thing though: I’ve been watching Yankee baseball for a long time….and I don’t ever remember being surprised at who was coming up next in the lineup.

    They always used to say we had a “circular” lineup…but now it’s circular in a different way….almost like a spiral, maybe. I’m always surprised when Cano comes up and I’m like “wait a sec. What position is he in the batting order? Is the lineup Overbay, Cervelli, Cano, Gardner?”

    It seems so weird. Maybe it’s me. There’s no comfort of predictability for me. I’m thinking, Ok Gardy work the count so we have men on base….and then up steps Ben Francisco.

    No doom and gloom…..just confusion and malaise.

    • dkidd


      i remember early in 2009 when it wouldn’t stop raining and no one was hitting and it was obvious ys3 was jinxed. that was bad, like wheels spinning and spinning and not engaging, but these two games have been a whole other thing. twilight zone

      • WhittakerWalt

        It’s hard to compare this current team to a team that could actually hit.

  • Mike M

    They just need to stay around .500 until late May. I think.

    • TomH

      They just need to stay around .500 until late May.

      Aye, there’s the rub.

  • Bunk

    I didn’t get to see the game. How did Adam Warren look? Any chance he is, or will be, a better starter than Nova/Phelps?

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      No chance. He bought himself an extra 5 days on the roster if Hirok

      • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

        If Hirok misses a start

  • dkidd

    that’s the saddest graph i’ve ever seen

  • Pasta

    In a month

    Relax the line up will get a huge boost. But pitching will have to keep us in games.

    • dkidd

      i’d be surprised if jeter is back in a month
      i’d be astounded if tex is back in a month

      sorry to be a debbie downer

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Tex already got his wrist sheaf off and Jeter should be ready in a couple of weeks.

        I’m not sure that Teix will have any power in May, but he’ll be back.

        • LK

          Until Tex is playing in minor league games it’s probably a good idea to be cautious projecting his return date. The last thing they need is him rushing back and re-injuring himself.

    • Winter

      I don’t know why you have Grandy batting second against lefties and seventh against righties, should be the other way around. Also, Tex won’t be back in a month.

  • Wayne

    If kuroda is hurt i would put hughes to replace kuroda then put phelps and take nova out put warren in there on but on kurodas day till you can rearrange the rotation.. So the rotation would be sabathia , warren, pettite , hughes, phelps. Iván Nova should be in minors starting. Remember Adam warren is a young starter he can’t afford to be on extra rest.

    • Winter

      Nova may have his flaws, but he is a much better pitcher than Nova.

      • Winter

        *than Warren.

  • monkeypants

    and the young guys aren’t really good enough


    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Nunez, Phelps, Nova … take your pick.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Don’t forget Frankie!

        He sucks too.

      • monkeypants

        Nunez and Phelps are already in their age 26 season, which is verging not so young. Nova, age 25 season, hasn’t appeared yet this season, so it’s hard to comment on whether he’s been good enough. OK, they’re all youngish, or at least younger than the rest of the geriatric crew.

        I guess when I think of “young guys,” I envision 22 or 23 y.o. prospects with lots of upside and promise.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Anyone under 28 is young in baseball terms.

          And all those prospects with lots of upside are in Florida and Trenton right now.

          • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

            Anyone under 30 is young in Yankees terms.

  • SeventhAce

    Leaving Eppley in to be feasted on by LHB was a gigantic head scratcher…

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Stuff like that makes me wonder what the hell he has in that binder of his.

    • LK

      Eppley doesn’t make much sense for the Yankees. A righty specialist at YSIII? Hard to think of a worse use of a roster spot.

  • Yankee Fan USA

    The team has been cursed since the Old Stadium came down and the King George plaque went up. Time to build a staue for The Babe and/or a rgeime change. The Curse is here.

    • Cool Lester Smooth


      You’re still here?

    • Pat D

      Jesus Christ, nobody gives a shit what you say.

      • WhittakerWalt

        You really shouldn’t even respond to such obvious trolling. It’s all he wants.

        • Pat D

          I just felt like swearing at him.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      One. Trick. Pony.

  • LK

    This season has been bizarre to watch. I can’t even remember the Yankees fielding a lineup this bad. When Wells hit the homer, Kay remarked that the Yankees were “right back in the game.” They had 4 remaining outs, were down 3 runs, and had Overbay/Nunez/Cervelli/Gardner/Francisco as the next 5 hitters. I usually get a little pissed when the Yanks lose to Boston, but for the first time it was what I was expecting. It’s an odd way to discover Zen baseball.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosologist Carlosologist

    If anything tonight was a move in the positive direction. Wells and Hafner managed to hit homers. Hafner will produce, it’s only a question of health. Wells looks like he has bat speed again so that’s promising. Team just needs to hold out until reinforcements arrive next month. I have faith, rough opening be damned.

  • Brian Cashman from another dimension

    Everyone relax its only two games.

  • DInnings

    Most of you people have no clue what a bad Yankees team is.

    Get a clue by going to baseball-reference.com and click on the 1982 and 1989-92 Yankees teams and you’ll still never get how bad they were if you didn’t see those stats in the flesh.

    I started watching the Yankees in 1982 – nuff said.

    • Jack P

      Just because you’re old we are not allowed to be pissed off at Yankee ownership? We (the fans) pay big money to see a game and we expect a half decent lineup. Just don’t go to the games you say? Well Fuk you, baseball captures an intensity live that TV can’t do justice. How about you get a clue and go find a Yankee Retiree website so you can bitch about the old days some more.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Chill out, bro.

        His point is that this not a bad baseball team. It’s an average one. Most people under 30, myself very much included, don’t know what a bad Yankees team looks like and are mistaking the 2013 Yankees for a bad baseball team when they’re really the 6th or 7th best in the AL, well withing spitting distance of the second Wild Card.

        Also, you’re not playing Call of Duty. Quit acting like an angry 14 year old and proving his point about how entitled Yankees fans born in the 90s have become. It’s giving the rest of us a bad name.

        • vicki


      • Robinson Tilapia

        You just called a guy who started watching the Yankees in ’82 old. That’s hilarious.

        He’s absolutely right as well. Enjoy your cherry getting popped.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          It makes sense. That’s probably when his dad started watching the Yankees.

    • WhittakerWalt

      I think what irritates most of us is that the team didn’t need to be bad. Putting aside the injuries, the decisions not to re-sign Swisher or Martin were terrible. It’s not like either of those guys signed crazy contracts with their new teams. They could have been had. That’s like 40-50 homers just gone from the lineup.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Yeah. I mish Swish.

    • vicki

      i lived it.

    • Fin

      I think people will have a clue what a bad Yankee team is by the end of this year. Possibly a worse one next year. Just because you have seen worse Yankee teams doesnt make this one any better.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        No, we won’t. This team will have 80-90 wins and be in the Wild Card hunt through at least September.

        Seriously, you don’t seem to understand what it means to be a “bad team.” The Cubs are a bad team. The Red Sox last year were a bad team. The 2013 Yankees are mediocre, but you have to be monumentally entitled to consider a .500 team “bad.”

  • King George

    Fresh perspective: Yanks got swept in the season opener last year vs the Rays, yet still made it to the ALCS.

    • WhittakerWalt

      But that was a great lineup, RISPFAIL and all. For them it was only a matter of time.
      For this year’s team… I have doubts.

    • Fin

      LOL wtf, does that have to do with anything. This team is no where close to last years team. There was not one upgrade in the offseason, just downgrades and injuries.

  • Tom

    On the plus side the Yankees are keeping pace with the Jays.

    /looking for the silver lining

    • vicki

      go tribe!

  • Dalek Jeter

    At least I have fantasy baseball to distract me from what be a long season of yankee baseball *checks fantasy team* down 10-3 *screams at screen* “FUCK YOU I WAS UP 11-2 YESTERDAY” *checks roster* hitters have gone 3 for 43 on the day w/ no RBI’s, no homers, no stolen bases and 1 run scored. *sobs into beer*

    • WhittakerWalt

      “RBI’s don’t matter”

  • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    I’ve never been a Girardi hater, quite to the contrary actually, but I honestly think that the difference between making it through these first months alive and digging a hole to deep to get out of will be Joe pressing the right buttons at the right time. He doesn’t have a team that will slug its way out of the questionable decisions that he used to get away with.

    I brought it up in the game thread, but Girardi has got to stop believing that his specialist relievers are going to get out opposite side batters. He has always operated with this belief that all his relievers are capable of getting out either side batters, even going so far to say it in interviews, even though the numbers and the results after the fact tell say otherwise.

    The key to the beginning of this season will be to manage to the strengths and weaknesses of this team. He can’t afford to leave a specialist in where he doesn’t belong or not pinch hit for a platoon guy in a key spot out of some sense of faith. With a line up like this he needs to get every ounce of value out of this roster. I get that this was a circumstance where he needed length but Eppley has no business being out there against lefties and everyone but Joe seemed to know it.

    • forensic

      Oh come on, the lefties in the inning they faced Eppley were only 4-4 with a double, 2 RBI’s and 4 runs scored.

      They didn’t even hit a homerun. What more do you want?????

      • forensic

        Damnit, I thought I saw Iglesias was a switch-hitter (I haven’t gotten to that point in watching the game yet). So they were only 3-3 with 2 RBI’s and 3 runs scored.

        Expectations are still too high…

  • forensic

    At this point, I’m not even really looking for them to win a game.

    Baby steps, how about they just stay tied past the top of the 2nd? Maybe even just take a lead at one point?

    Meanwhile, the D-Backs just beat the Cardinals in 16 innings. What a way to play your 3rd (and almost 4th) game of the year.

  • forensic

    Nice to know that by the time Robertson and Rivera pitch again it’ll have been nearly a week (or a full week if they don’t pitch Thursday) since they last pitched and have only pitched once in about a week and a half.

    I’m sure they’ll be plenty sharp…

  • Fin

    LOL, dont know what anyone expected, we knew what the lineup was going to be for the first couple months of the season for a while now. Its not good, bordering on bad, maybe even bad, bordering on awful. This was not a media creation…even with Tex, Jeet and Grandy we were saying the pitching was going to be the strength of the team.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Yeah. CC and company just have to have their 2012 June in April and May. Seems simple enough.

  • Kosmo

    I agree with Mike on Eppley. To cut Aardsma in favor of Eppley is just plain dumb. Girardi is showing loyalty to Eppley even though it´s completely unwarranted. Eppley got hammered in ST. Showed absolutely nothing. I don´t expect much from Eppley. I`d even give Nuno a shot at loogy.

    • vicki

      and his delivery makes me physically sick. it’s gross.

  • mustang

    “They put the token runner on-base every so often but it never really feels like this lineup is a threat. I dunno, maybe it’s just me.”

    Holy Shit it’s the all-star break already ?

    Game 2 of 162 enough said.

  • vicki

    hey, how bout a litte love for embedded yankee alfredo aceves? good to know we still have that ace up our sleeves, should we need it.

  • ajra21

    This lineup is not good. And watching games this year is gonna be hard.

    But we really can’t complain. They should have retooled better five or six years ago. I agree with getting under the $189m for 2014 because it will help us in the long term. I don’t have a problem with Ownership or our GM. People can bash them but if you cheered the Tex, AJ, CC and A-Rod signings then you have to put up with the down years.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      The issue is that the most valuable franchise in baseball shouldn’t be cutting payroll when everyone else in the sport is increasing it. The team is worth well over $2 billion, they can afford to pay a freaking luxury tax if it means the difference between being good or being mediocre.

    • FIPster Doofus

      “I agree with getting under the $189m for 2014 because it will help us in the long term”

      I don’t. Hal Steinbrenner making more money doesn’t do anything for me. The Yankees winning games does. And slashing budget so Hal can pad his pockets runs contrary to winning games. That’s especially true when a.) a large chunk of your $189 million budget is made up of past-their-prime vets on shitty contracts, and b.) you have zero cheap, star-caliber young talent ready to make an impact.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Some of the principle that we think would go along with it would help. The simple act of it absolutely won’t.

  • Warfield42

    Lots of folks counting on the ‘regulars’ coming back at some point to save the day (season). That’d be two .240ish type hitters in Granderson & Texiera, along with hipster Pay-Rod that we don’t know will ever hit .270 again (but we DO know he’ll immediately be inserted in the 4 ‘HOLE’). Even the pentultimate Yankee, capt. Derek – who knows at his age what we get? There are no saviors coming. CC is a #1A-2 starter that has been showing signs the past 1/12 years of fading a bit. Kuroda & Pettite are solid but old & with good line-ups around them (which they will not have at ANY point this season) they are 12-13 win guys at best. The rest just stink – though Phelps at least will battle. This is vintage late 60’s/early 70’s Yankees & there ain’t no help comin’ anytime soon. Not a doom-n-gloom post, they just stink, its reality. Take cashman’s checkbook away & whaddya got? A liein’, cheating scumbag of a man that knows absolutely ZERO about franchise development. This franchise is in deep buckwheat, cause they can’t buy their way outta this mess & Girardi struggles managing top tier talent – this will be eye opening to say the least.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Whatever you say, buddy.

    • Robinson Tilapia


  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Seriously, y’all are turning me into a curmudgeon at 19.

    Thank you, Fin and Jack P. Thank you for helping me to understand why people hate Yankees fans.

  • Mick taylor

    There is too much doom and gloom. If kuroda doe not get injured, yanks most likely don’t give up 7 runs and have a chance to win. And I am very happy with how hafner and wells have played. Tell me how swisher or Tex would havedone better. The real culprit in these losses is cano. If he were a great hitter like Miguel Cabrera or Josh Hamilton he could on his own produce a couple of runs. He is continuing his post season crap playing. He is a very good player just not a great player worthy of being a 200 million player. He has never had the kind of seasons trout or pujois or Cabrera have had. And Warren sucks. If he makes kuroda next start he will give up at least 5 runs. He still gave up 3 runs in5 innings against a crappy team.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Hamilton doesn’t even have a hit yet this season…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “The real culprit in these losses is cano.”

      What else would you like to blame him for?

      • @NotJackCurry

        Having an opportunity with Jeter out to be the vocal and on-field leader of the Yankees.

        Kinda like he did for DR in the WBC.

        Robbie Cano….he is not having fun, ya know!!!!!

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Again, which branch of the Green Line do you live on?

          I’m a D-Line man myself.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          What the hell does that even mean?

          Go jump on a giant metal spike, repeatedly.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Why are you comparing Swisher and Teixeira to Hafner and Wells? You should be comparing them to Ichiro and Overbay.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    tough to win any games with pitching like that.

    • @NotJackCurry

      And alot of Yankee “fans” said pitching was their strong point.

      Not with CC’s diminishing velocity!

      I hope you guys took the under in NYY wins……easy $!!!!!!

  • @NotJackCurry

    When Kay and Cone are reminiscing by playing which Yankee wore than number……you know it is going to be a long year!!!!!

  • Robinson Tilapia


    That being said, on Eppley, I understand he gets a first look because he pitched a bunch of uninspiring innings last year and could actually be effective when paired with our dearly departed Clay Rapada, but the least has to be damn short this season with him. His being on the roster, and David Aardsma not, probably has pissed me off more than it has any right to.

    What’s been unexpectedly harder about the two losses is the lack of connection I have to some of these guys. Wells will grow on me because I know he’s here for the next two seasons and, yes, that was a sweet home run. Overbay, though? Francisco? Are they even going to be around long enough for me to get to caring?

    It’s part of a bigger plan. This is actually what “PLAY TEH KIDS: Phase 1” looks like. Repeat mantra about 70 more times.

    #HIROK will be back.

  • OldYanksFan

    Look…. it’s painful watching this team now….
    but we KNOW 4 of our best 5 hitters are on the DL.
    There is no mystery here.
    No team would do well under these circumstances.

    Our goal for 45 days is to hope the Pitching can keep us at .500, and that Jeter is back within 2 weeks, and Teix and Grandy heal and perform as we hope they will.

    I’m sure there will be plenty of pissing and moaning this season, but we have to remember that injuries have rendered this team as an ‘average at best’ team.

    That’s what it is. It is what it is. There is no surprise here.
    So let’s be reasonable with the freakin’ and peakin’….
    and see if we can find something to root for.

  • http://riveravenueblues mississippi doc

    Be realistic. If this is not 1965, then it is at least 1991. Many of our most optimistic projections have been based on the ideas that the Red Sox would again be terrible and that last year’s Orioles were a fluke. Both suppositions may well be wrong. I think this Yankee team could finish anywhere from second to last, but definitely not first.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Explain to me how this situation resembles 1991 and, please, don’t resort to cliche. Explain to me how CC Sabathia is Tim Leary, and how Ichiro is Oscar Azocar.

  • Mike Civi

    I know its early but Girardi has to get Gardner and Ichiro the HEll away from each other in the lineup. They both look like lost causes and they are both lefty and both technically are the same type of player. I know there isnt much for him to work with but something needs to be done. You cannot have Steward/Cervelli, Gardner, then Ichiro(francisco) to be your last chance in the 9th inning, i wanted to puke!! they need Granderson,TEx, Jeter back so badly right now, its scary

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Ichiro and Gardner could not have more different hitting styles.

      Ichiro is a contact machine who is entirely dependent on his batting average because he never, ever walks.

      Gardner is an average hitter even when he’s hitting .260 do to his double digit BB%, but the fact that he always gets into deep counts trying to work a walk leads to a large amounts of strikeouts as well.

      • Mike Civi

        point well taken, but my POINT was to move them the hell away from each other in the lineup, bottom line.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Yeah, Ichiro needs to be batting 8th while Gardy bats leadoff.

  • coolerking101

    Not to pile on, but Warren’s outing was not nearly as pretty as his stat line suggests. The Red Sox were smashing the ball off him after the first time around the order, but lucky for him, the ball was not carrying. Looked like some BABIP luck. That being said, if the guy gets the feel for coming out of the pen, he could probably be an effective reliever.

    • John C

      Could say the same about Bucholz. Yanks hit some really hard shots off him too but were not carrying or were hit right at someone

  • mt

    I did not watch whole game but did see the part on ESPN where they said this loss would be first time they lost season’s first two games since 1982 – even posted a graphic.

    It is so bad at ESPN right now that something so simple as accuracy is out the window. Should have been would be “first time lost first two HOME games since 1982”. Yanks of course lost first three games to Tampa Bay in Tampa just last year.

    Maybe they corrected it by end of game.

  • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

    Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2013-to-date MVP’s: Vernon Wells and Adam Warren.

    If that’s the case at the asb then things will have gone horribly wrong, if they haven’t already.

    This team’s play makes me sad.

  • Brian in MA

    I’m not ready to jump off the bridge yet, but they do seem pretty listless right now.

    I guess we all knew this was coming at some point though.

    • John C

      How bout those “Mighty” Blue Jays? 2 straight losses at home to the Indians.

      • Monterowasdinero

        Swish at 1B and batting cleanup.

  • mt

    The Eppley issue will be an issue – he got out of the bases loaded Kuroda mess with a double play – why did he then start the next inning – he is not the long man who should be able to face lefties and righties.

    He should only be going two innings in a blowout either way.

    Maybe he will get DFAd in favor of Nuno or someone else.

  • Bartolo’s Colon

    I was at the game, but did not last long. I decided to go home and watch it. I hate April games. Really hope this team starts to look competitive soon. I know it is early, but the yanks look pretty sad. Assuming they can keep it about 500 for April and Grandy comes back early to mid May, I think they will be in pretty good shape. i am looking forward to watching andy tonight

  • http://riveravenueblues mississippi doc

    Robinson, you come back in a few months, when we have all of our over paid, over the hill veterans back, and tell me how much better this team is than 1991. At least then, unbeknownst to us, we were sitting on a treasure trove of future stars and, as crazy as Steinbrenner was, we had an owner who was always aggressively trying to better the team. And where is the Buck Showalter in our future to help turn this team around? And all this foolishness about our big payroll. If you pay a fortune for a broken down 10 year old Ford Escort, it won’t make it a Mercedes. This team is like the Knicks 10 years ago. Unless they have a trick up their sleeves, it’s time to rebuild with the kids. The Mets, as poorly as they have been run, see that better than us.

    • OldYanksFan

      Which over-the-hills guys?
      Mo? He is no longer an above-average player?
      Andy? He is no longer an above-average player?
      Jeter? He is no longer an above-average player?
      Granderson? He is no longer an above-average player?
      Teixiera? He is no longer an above-average player?
      ARod? He is no longer an above-average player?