Game 40: Another New Player



The Yankees had a new (new-ish, anyway) left fielder last night, now they have a new third baseman. The team has called up David Adams, as expected, and he is in the starting lineup at third base. Rumor has it he will get an opportunity to play the hot corner on an everyday basis — everyday for the injury-prone Adams is four or five times a week — while Kevin Youkilis is out, which means another two or three weeks. Maybe longer. Youkilis hasn’t done much rehab work in Tampa yet. Here’s the lineup the Yankees are throwing at right-hander Hisashi Iwakuma…

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. 2B Robinson Cano
  3. DH Vernon Wells
  4. LF Curtis Granderson
  5. 1B Lyle Overbay
  6. 3B David Adams
  7. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  8. C Chris Stewart
  9. SS Alberto Gonzalez

And on the mound is the 2010 All-Star Game loser, right-hander Phil Hughes.

Tonight’s game will begin a little after 7pm ET, and it can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Pseudoyanks says:

    Adams batting ahead of Ichiro.

  2. dela g says:


  3. Gonzo says:

    This lineup is looking so much better with Grandy Man back. When can I commence rosterbation? When Tex comes back? Jeter?

  4. jim p says:

    If (the declining) Tex had Overbay’s numbers at this point in the season, would I be the only one relatively pleased?

  5. Gomez Adams says:

    My boy pugsley will get a big hit tonight.

  6. Havok9120 says:

    If Adams lives up to his billing this could actually begin resembling a lineup the Yanks would normally be happy with.

    Extend the streak for Prussia!

  7. Wheels says:

    Kay, Leiter, and Cone

  8. Eddard says:

    Grandy’s going to be just fine in LF. He looks like a natural. The whole “He can’t play a new position on the fly” business was nonsense. If Ibanez and Jones can half ass LF so can Grandy.

  9. Troll says:

    Is Adams supposed to be better than Corban Joseph? Joseph is at least a little younger than Adams . . .

  10. Havok9120 says:

    Well….that’s no good.

  11. Mykey says:

    Interesting move Gonzalez.

  12. Anthony says:

    Tough break. Lets get the DP, please.

  13. Anderson Silva says:

    what a shitty throw by Gonzalez..

  14. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


  15. Eddard says:

    Nuney would have let that ball go through and the runner would have been gunned out at 3rd if the ball didn’t hit him.

  16. King George says:

    Phil back to his inconsistent ways again…

  17. Anderson Silva says:

    Phil getting hit around by a terrible lineup. Shameful.

  18. Mykey says:


  19. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


  20. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Betances could throw throw a more accurate ball.

  21. Troll says:

    Oh damn. I forgot that Hughes was pitching. I also just remembered that I have to go return some video tapes. Adios, suckers.

  22. Karl Krawfid says:

    Him and Nova be gone please.

  23. Eddard says:

    Hughes doesn’t look good. Better get one of the kids warming up.

  24. The Real Greg says:

    Absolutely amazing. This guy can never get on a streak of consistency.

  25. Anderson Silva says:

    nothing but that straight as an arrow fastball is working right now..

  26. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


  27. Frank says:

    Hughes is such an enigma. Very frustrating to watch.

  28. Mykey says:

    Atta boy Phil.

  29. Troll says:

    Time for salami.

  30. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Phucking Phailure

  31. Karl Krawfid says:

    Holy shit Hughes.

  32. Mykey says:

    Well, guess I won’t be watching this anymore. Thanks Phil.

  33. King George says:

    Holy shit, Pineda. Please hurry.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Do you honestly think that a young pitcher, one year without pitching can provide better numbers?

      You’re probably right.

  34. SDB says:

    Is Brett Marshall warming up?

    (Sigh. I have Hughes in both my fantasy leagues…)

  35. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Obligatory HR couldn’t have come worse.

  36. The Real Greg says:

    I was hoping for that. Don’t need to waste any more time with this game

  37. Anderson Silva says:

    game over.. way to lose the game after 0.1 IP

    fuck Phil Hughes

  38. Pseudoyanks says:


  39. Eddard says:

    Get this piece of trash out of there. Why wasn’t one of the kids warming up?

  40. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Even Montero gets a hit.

    Marshall please.

  41. I'mVernonI'mVernon4U says:

    I’d be lying if I said I didn’t see that coming. Phil is infuriating.

  42. Havok9120 says:

    Holy Crap. That escalated quickly.

  43. fabricio says:

    get marshal up now!!!!!!

  44. Leg-End says:

    Jeeezuz. Hughes really is an enigma.

  45. Frank says:

    And people actually want to resign this guy for 10m+ per year.

    • Q says:

      Many were clamoring for 15 m/year

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      Funny thing is, Hughes is not who he is on his worst days, and he’s not who he is on his best days. Fun fact: You can apply that to literally any player on any team in any sport.

      An average to above average 26 year old pitcher is worth a hell of a lot of money on the open market. I’d take him for 5/$60 million without hesitating very much.

  46. dontchaknow says:


  47. Bo Knows says:

    Sooooooooo, how’s everyone doing?

    • Havok9120 says:

      This is the only night of the last week I haven’t been drinking copious quantities of liquor.

      Apparently a mistake on my part.

  48. Eddard says:

    Ivan Nova just got his rotation spot back. And Phelps will stay in that rotation now.

  49. Anderson Silva says:

    dude doesnt have a breaking ball or a changeup.. its only a straigh fastball and not even that fast. It’s a miracle that he can pitch effectively.

  50. pop says:


  51. The Real Greg says:

    Now we have to waste bullpen for tomorrow and we don’t have an offday until next week.

    What a disgrace. And now my anger for our inability to developing quality starters rises even more.

    • Pat D says:

      So is everyone on here just going to be a broken record tonight?

      • Bo Knows says:

        It’s a little funny honestly. I don’t think you should beat a dead horse, but this should have been a concern weeks ago when he was in his hotstreak (I said it then, that he’s only a 4th starter at best when he’s only throwing one pitch). He’s a pitcher that throws 65-70% fastballs and doesn’t while he has good velo, its not enough that he can ignore the other pitches.

    • CUYanks says:

      Most wins in baseball. It will be ok. This game isn’t even over yet.

    • Leg-End says:

      2 outs……..2 outs. Pretty sure Cone could have gotten 3.

  52. Pat D says:

    I think I’m going back to sleep. Maybe I’ll wake up and this won’t be happening.

  53. forensic says:

    Wow, Hughes may have found a new low for himself, which is impressive considering some of his prior games and lows (some of which were chronicled here during his last game).

  54. Mykey says:

    Hilarious route by Ichiro there.

  55. dontchaknow says:

    lmaooooooooo !!!! where’s your god now phil phans

  56. JobaWockeeZ says:

    At this point just leave Hughes.

    • dontchaknow says:

      remember the last year we had burnett, joe left his ass to rot at one point (i want to say against the indians ??) i wanted the same thing to happen to phil today. we have a two game lead in standings, it’s whatever

  57. Jorge Brosada says:

    Just tuned in and I see Hughes getting rocked.

    Fucking Lord Voldemort…

  58. Eddard says:

    Boo him off the field. Hopefully they’ll boo him out of NY and they’ll trade him to the NL.

  59. Troll says:

    Keep him in. Let the Phucker burn. They were never going to hit the import anyway . . .

    • Pat D says:


      • Troll says:

        Dumbest. Those who cannot provide explanations to their one-and-done berating comments are the lowest level of scum on a game thread. And trust me, I know scum. I’m a big ass bloody troll.

        • Pat D says:

          They were never going to hit the import anyway . . .

          You were basing this insightful analysis off…what exactly? Was it the 13 hits and 5 walks he allowed to the Yankees in 10 innings against them last year? Gotta have been something.

          Oh, and as always, FUCK OFF.

          • Troll says:

            Yeah . . . Because the offense between now and last season is IDENTICAL. Because he’s the same exact pitcher that he was LAST YEAR. Bucholz, Darvish, A. Sanchez, etc. Those fellas might like a word with you. How about the fact that he’s held opposing offenses to the third lowest batting average in major league baseball? Or, maybe that he’s struck out well over a better per inning? Take your pick because there certainly plenty more that I could’ve rambled off.

            You’re a heinous human being. You’re an even bigger troll than I am. Embrace it, you coward.

            • Pat D says:

              Right, so of course that means they had no chance against him. Except that they got a run and 2 hits off him in one inning. Which was kind of my point, that anything can happen.

              “Heinous,” “troll,” and “coward?” I don’t think those words mean what you really think they mean. There are bigger trolls on this board than you, but I’m not one of them. You just keep thinking the things you want to think. I’m sure you’ll continue to have your fun. Meanwhile, I’ll enjoy myself by pretending that you don’t fucking exist.

              Peace out you delusional, half-witted, scum-sucking dickhead fuckface asshole.

              O:S for fucking good.

              • Troll says:

                Sorry. I was out. 7 innings and 2 runs. Yeah, they really showed him, huh? Way to go, buddy.

                I can only wish that I hung around the internet long enough to understand what the hell O:S means. Sorry, I guess I am a half-wit.

                You’re far more likely to get banned from the threads than I am, sir. You’ve got quite the potty mouth . . .

              • Troll says:

                Also, because I want to continue with the fun I’m having . . . Since you’re clearly enjoying yourself, how is it that you responded to my comment? I thought that I didn’t exist? Or, wait, do I? I’m delusional, or am I an illusion? I just don’t know anymore.

                • True Pinstriped Blue says:

                  Pat “D”ipshit is just mad that he found out wrestling isn’t real and that is the reason why everyone he knows quit watching it once they hit puberty. Sorry it’s true wrestling is fake you LOSER!

        • BFDeal says:

          STHFU, Rainbow. Your act got old along time ago.

  60. fabricio says:

    i want pineda now!!!!! or in about a month

  61. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    I blame Romine.
    If only Stewart was catching today.

  62. vicki says:

    you gotta laugh.

  63. stuart a says:

    Nice outing by Hughes. Yep give him 5 yrs and $50 mill. you insane…

    he is avg. a overhyped avg pitcher. could not get out of the 1st.. 2 bad games in a row.

    did not throw a pitch below the waist…


    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      throw him a parade…..
      ike davis would have thrown a complete game no-hitter…..
      hughes doesn’t even have a single rbi….

    • Pat D says:

      yay………….parades have returned……………

      so happy……………

    • Q says:

      Most ridiculous poster on here, etc, etc…but I agree that the money figures thrown around for potential contract extensions were a little over-the-top. Check out his career stats–if he played for a different team we would all be talking about how mediocre he is.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        To be fair it was less because of Hughes’ ability and more than pitchers are being overpaid. regardless I thought it was an overpay right about the first time it was introduced.

        Hughes will still get a good deal but hopefully for someone else. Preferably the Red Sox or Orioles.

  64. Jorge Brosada says:

    Wow he couldn’t even finish an one inning. That’s pathetic.

    Go home Phil, you’re drunk

  65. Cy Pettitte says:

    what a disgusting performance, if you’re gonna give up 7 runs at least go 4 or 5 innings

  66. jtb083201 says:

    Well Hughes sucked but his defense let him down big time. Gardner has to make that throw and Granderson has to make that routine out. Granderson blows. He comes back, hits into double plays and can’t play the field. Awesommmeee, extend him Cashman, hurry!

  67. stuart a says:

    nova is as bad as hughes.

    they are 2 of the same. 93 or so, crappy offspeed pitch starters. they confuse over the plate with being a good pitch…

    • Anderson Silva says:

      Nova has great stuff (including offspeed) but no command. Hughes has good command but mediocre stuff (no offspeed whatsoever)

    • Bo Knows says:

      Hughes doesn’t average 93, and is essentially a one pitch pitcher. Nova’s issues is his fb command, he has a good curveball and slider; and will actually throw them with a willingness to use them in any count.

  68. Troll says:

    WTF! NO! They’re going to destroy the bullpen. Death by taxing!

  69. Raymond Freemont says:

    I see that Ichiro had an error. He really needs to go away. Oh right 2 years.

    Every starter has a bad game, but the mariners? Really Phil?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      Opponent doesn’t really matter with Phil.
      When he’s bad, anybody can hit him.

      • Bo Knows says:

        Mostly because the vast majority of the time he’s throwing fastballs, behind in count fb’s, ahead fb’s, two strikes; more fastballs. If he doesn’t have command of that pitch, he’s (and pardon my language) f$%$ed more ways than a Vegas prostitute.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      You have to appreciate making the MLB. Hughes as a AAA pitcher today. If you make the MLB you have to hit those types of pitches even if you suck.

  70. Kramerica Industries says:

    You know, most nights, I’m unfortunately about 20 minutes late arriving. Usually, no biggie. Not too much happens in the first inning or two.

    Umm…7-0 in the FIRST INNING? Holy fucking shit.

  71. I'mVernonI'mVernon4U says:

    Only one game… but it sure is an ugly one.

  72. 6 says:

    I argued the other day, until I was blue in the face, that you do not give Phil a 4-5 year deal. I was met with much resistance, shockingly, most people want to resign him. He’ll get a contract, but from an NL team. He is not the right pitcher for Yankee stadium (fly ball) — end of story. Poor guy. This is why the Yanks are better focusing all $$ and time to finding another top of the rotation starter #1 or #2 going into the offseason and 2015, if they have to wait a year to “hand-out” a contract. Their primary goal shouldn’t be “locking-up” a 27 year old pitcher who is “cheaper” just because. That’s pretty much the logic from most people in the Phil Hughes thread the other day. So wrong.

    • 6 says:

      ..and before anyone says, this is just one start. It’s not. Not even close to an argument. I haven’t looked at the splits, but the scout in my gut tells me that Phil has been far more effective away from Yankee stadium.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        Career 4.54 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, .784 OPS against home, 4.24 ERa, 1.249 WHIP, .688 OPS against road

    • your mom says:

      You don’t sign Phil Hughes to 4-5 year deal simply because he sucks.

    • MannyGeee says:

      In fairness, he’s had 3 really nice games, one mediocre game last week and a clunker today. It’s his thing, nothing new there.

  73. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    Hughes sux

  74. your mom says:

    It’s Gardner’s fault!!!!!

  75. Anderson Silva says:

    with that splitter, this is a 11-strikeout, 7IP performance waiting to happen

  76. Mykey says:

    Naturally, the Yankee offense will look pathetic against this guy.

    Not even a knock against them, it just makes sense.

  77. dontchaknow says:

    “just chip away”
    says cone when facing a guy with a 1.73 era

    chip away, guys

  78. MannyGeee says:

    Sorry I’m late…. Obligatory “nice to see Hughes is in kid season form” comment. Seriously….DAFAQ is going on tonight?

  79. Philthy says:

    well D-Rob and Mo get the day off…

  80. The Real Greg says:

    Did Kay just notice that Cano doesn’t hustle to first?

  81. JonS says:

    Just got on and holy shit, what happened? Was it as bad as the box score looks?

  82. vicki says:

    aw yeah, garbage time.

    • Mykey says:

      I just feel the first inning can’t be garbage time.

      I apologize if I’m misinterpreting a joke here.

      • vicki says:

        of course. i don’t think the game is over. i don’t even think it’s over when win probability tells me it is.

  83. dontchaknow says:


  84. Karl Krawfid says:

    Rally time lets go!

  85. I'mVernonI'mVernon4U says:

    Vern just continues to defy…just about everything.

  86. SDB says:

    Wells still fights for Prussia!

    (Hughes, otoh, is surrendering like a Frenchman.)

  87. Buddy says:

    Ahhh, the pride of the Yankee pitching development.

    God. Screw development front end talent. PLEASE just develop a couple slightly below average pitchers over the next 9 or 10 years.

    Use free agency to fill in the rest.

  88. JonS says:

    Wells had 11 HRs all last year. Angels fans are going “WTF dude?”

  89. Mike HC says:

    Holy shit. Just tuned into the game. What happened to Hughes?

  90. Jacob the OG says:

    This is painful to see, I think my appendix just burst

  91. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    Hughes disappointment way to fuck your team

  92. Jacob the OG says:


  93. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    Put nuno in hughes spot or warren

  94. The Real Greg says:

    Also I hope the Yankees don’t come back because Hughes will get the loss and get all the blame, which he deserves. Yankees bailed him out once, can’t do it again.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


      And in a thread where stuart makes an appearance.

    • Anderson Silva says:

      new low for you, and that’s saying something

      • The Real Greg says:

        SO you don’t think he deserves blame?

        • Mykey says:

          Regardless of how the game ends, it would be silly to think that him giving up 7 runs in two thirds of an inning would be easily forgotten.

        • MannyGeee says:

          He’ll get blamed for 7ER in .2IP, win or lose. I would MUCH rather see Granderson come in and hit 2 out and Preston Claiborne get his first win in Pinstripes, if at all possible.

          But what do I know, maybe I am the polyanna you are about to call me.

        • Havok9120 says:

          He’s made clear he does. Which doesn’t mean he actively wants the team to lose because he’s not gone completely off the deep end.

        • Anderson Silva says:

          I dont hope the Yankees lose, ever. I actually like and root for the Yankees to win.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Between this and your “I was hoping this would happen so I wouldn’t need to bother with the game” nonsense from earlier, you’re piling up inane drivel at a rate which blows all your previous pap stockpiling out of the water.

      Go for a walk or something man.

    • BFDeal says:

      You are one dumb MF.

  95. MannyGeee says:

    “Clairbournez to teh rotation” battle crystal in 3……2……

  96. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    If i was on the yankees
    I would go take a shit in hughes locker right now.

  97. davey says:

    Michael Kay with the Al Gore shot….Well played!!

  98. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    The famous 39 number

  99. Karl Krawfid says:

    Ichiro needs to pull that

  100. MannyGeee says:

    “Here comes a big time Yankees prospect to bat…”

    John Sterling

    Sorry, I missed the memo

  101. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Well I see Phil excelled himself tonight. Kind of saw it coming. Two great outings, a mediocre one, now this one. We can watch him and Nova battle it out for the worst bedshit of the year.

  102. Hughes suxs rotted ass says:

    So what was your favorite chris nelson moment?
    The base hit in colorado is mine

  103. The Real Greg says:

    Mike Axisa ?@mikeaxisa
    Sixth time this century an NYY pitcher went 1 IP or less w/ 7+ runs. Colon (7/11), Wang (4/09), Moose (5/08), Wright (9/05), El Duque (6/00)

    I don’t know what to make of that stat

    • Pat D says:

      Shit happens. It’s one game, deal with it.

    • MannyGeee says:

      He’s in pretty good company? (Wright not withstanding)

    • CS Yankee says:

      It means that it’ll happen about every two years with a NYY starting pitcher.

    • jdp says:

      Brought back memories of a game I saw on a school field trip to the original Stadium. Long time ago, but I think I remember it pretty well. Yanks were playing Kansas City Athletics, Whitey Ford was pitching, so I expected a certain victory. KC got 7 runs in the top of the first. I rember one error, but most it was rockets getting hit off Whitey. Yanks made a bit of a comeback, but never got really close to tying it up.

    • Havok9120 says:

      That maybe trying to use this as an example of why Hughes is historically bad and doesn’t deserve to be a Yankee is a bit misguided?

  104. DJ says:

    Marshall’s gonna hafta take one for the team tonight and go back to Scranton tomorrow as a result. The cruel world of baseball.

  105. MannyGeee says:

    Suzyn is getting into the “What a tangled web we weave” story about the Lee/Montero/Smoak/Adams trade/non-trade

  106. Sal's HandleBar says:

    I think the big question is not the value of Hughes (he is a back end rotation pitcher) in signing him but what realistically can we get in a mid season trade?

    Is a package centering on Hughes, assuming he’s pitching effectively at the right time, plus some prospects get us a potent bat at third, catcher, short or outfield.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      Presumably any team interested in Hughes at the trade deadline would be a contending team, and likely wouldn’t give up a potent MLB bat in return. Maybe in a 3-team deal.
      Probably easier to just do a straight prospects for player deal without Hughes. Maybe trade Hughes separately for a prospect or two (in the unlikely event they trade Hughes).

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Projecting these types of things aren’t easy but if he’s hot at the right time, maybe, just maybe we can get a top 100 prospect.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Why would we do that though? The team is still in win-now mode with Mo, Pettitte, and Kuroda on possibly their last year and Jeter, Tex, ARod, and CC not getting any younger. A team with a pretty darn good shot at winning the division doesn’t go trading off its forth starter out of spite.

        • MannyGeee says:

          Because all those unproven arms have tone better than the guy just entering his prime that just pitched the best game of the season for this team two weeks ago.

          But nah, Marshall is better and so is Nuno, who was playing independent ball a few yrs ago…

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            LOL. Hughes has been worth 1.5 WAR a year since he started pitching in 2010. WHo gives a fuck if he’s entering his prime, he’s a league average pitcher at his best.

            There’s an argument about keeping Granderson or Kuroda who have been above average players. Putting Hughes is that category is nothing more than a gross overestimation of his skills.

            And if you want to use his one start as proof of anything then I pray that you don’t fucking rip on someone who uses a small sample to prove a point.

            • MannyGeee says:

              Why not, I used an 8 inning game to prove his point just like the small sample size of 4 innings on Monday makes Nuno a more plausible starter. Fuck it, it’s all about the narrative you want to throw out there.

              Hughes is a good to very good pitcher who will throw a clunker here and there. Pettitte, Kuroda and Nova have all thrown shit shows this season too, but the narrative doesn’t fit because FILL IZ TEH GARBAGEZ!!!1!1.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Because when/if those guys leave the Yankees would be almost devoid of talent. They need to start making their own if they want to go below 190 million.

          Hughes started all of last year and he was a 2.3 WAR pitcher. League average is 2. His (positive) impact on this team is frankly overrated and if they can get long term value for him they should do it/

          Even in the short term with guys like CC, Pettitte and Kuroda you aren’t missing Hughes in the postseason.

          • Havok9120 says:

            Yes, except they need to get to the post season first. Were you not one of the less-optimistic fans for our post season chances? Were you not one of the guys saying every marginal improvement was going to be desperately needed? Why are we dying to dump a guy that can turn in great starts for a month at a time and possibly be worth a first rounder at the end of the season?

            There’s nothing to indicate his trade value is all that high as a rental. What kind of return would be acceptable for you?

          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

            The bigger worry, and likely reason they won’t trade Hughes, is depth.
            If CC, Kuroda, and Pettitte are all healthy and pitching well, Hughes might be expendable. If not, losing Hughes could be a big issue. It would really depend on the return. I’m not sure 1/2 a season of a 4th starter would generate enough of a return to be worth adding more risk to their success this season.

  107. Anderson Silva says:

    that was a nice throw.. not what I was expecting from a former 2nd base prospect

  108. Buddy says:

    Ok. Lets play a game. Who are the 5 best starters drafted by the Yankees since 1985 and had their best years with them.

  109. CS Yankee says:

    I was really concerned with the SP matchups for the recent four games (Mon-Wed), but really pumped for the next five games.

    Good news is that they already won 2-of-the-last-3…likely go down tonight and hopefully make a solid run and put Toronto out of the way in mid-May.

    Life is good, stay thirsty my friends.

  110. 6 says:

    At this point, I’m good with giving, Marshall, Claiborne, Kelly, call up Montgomery, Warren, Phelps and Nuno innings versus anymore of Hughes and Joba. Both are failed experiments for the Yanks. Truth is, both are over in the coming months, neither will be resigned. I’m on the fence at this point, if the Yanks even make Phil a QO. Truth is, Cashman is 100% working on trading one or both of those guy in the next 6 weeks. Not a doubt in my mind. He’ll get more in return (which isn’t much, but says something) than having them on the team. At this point, neither will produce any return for the team. Best they can do is latch onto one of the other pitching starved teams and grab a prospect or two.

    • MannyGeee says:

      DAFAQ did Joba do to you? He has been pitching lights out until the Oblique bit him…

      • 6 says:

        Why do people continue to miss the point? He did nothing to me. This is a business. The Yankees are NOT resigning him. Not happening. They are NOT making him a qualifying offer, since it will greatly exceed his AAV. Essentially, for all the frustration, all the work, the Yanks are due to get nothing out this. You trade him now, while he is pitching well and get something in return. A lot of people say that’s stupid, you don’t trade one of your best relievers in a pennant race to another contender. We’ll I can’t explain how to run a business on here, but this is precisely when you trade Joba. Hughes as well.

        • 6 says:

          ..and what I mean by pitching well, was before his injury, which he should come back fine from in about a week.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          It’s entirely possible Joba’s contribution over the remainder of the season is greater than the contribution of whatever they’d get in return in a trade would be. Meanwhile you lessen your chances of making the playoffs this year. Why?
          If they could get a sure thing prospect in return, fine, consider it.
          Joba isn’t likely to return anywhere near that.

        • Havok9120 says:

          Yes. You run a business by losing more games in exchange for an uncertain return in a future that may not include two of your three best starters, your biggest power hitter, your best reliever, and in which decline from your biggest regulars is virtually assured.

          Tell us more, Obi-wan.

          • 6 says:

            Not right. One has nothing to do with the other in your example. In fact, I am not sure I entirely understand what you are saying about “biggest power hitter.” The market is surprisingly efficient and it’s a lot easier to replace players than most think it is. That is, if we’re not looking at the name brand.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Yep. 40 homer power is just everywhere to be found these last few years.

              And of course they’re connected. You are lessening your chances to win now while the rest of the team is the best it is likely to be for the foreseeable future in return for little to no return on the investment, unless you know a GM ready to go selling off the farm for an injury prone RP one year from FA.

              • MannyGeee says:

                Dude, I just found 2 40-homer guys at the Home Depot on my lunch break and one more when I dropped my car off for an oil change. I literally can’t piss on a street corner without some dribble and splash getting on a power hitting outfielder…

          • Pat D says:

            The Force will be with you…always.

            You must go to the Dagobah system.

            What I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Yeah Joba has done well considering how he was treated in 2009…

        • 6 says:

          Ah..good grief. I often wonder if most people could even turn a profit from a lemonade stand…

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            The Yankees are definitely a flawed team. If you’re griping on Joba then you are missing a fuckton of things.

            • 6 says:

              Ok you’re right. Let’s just hand Phil a 5 year $60mm contact. Keep Joba to the end of season (with a likely additional 15DL stint or two) and not get anything when the Yanks choose not to resign him. We’ll just do it this way, since it seems like 99% of RAB prefers this outcome, although it makes zero sense whatsoever.


              • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

                From what I’ve seen, it seems like more of RAB is against resigning Phil.
                As for not getting anything, that’s simply not true. They get the remainder of the season of each. That has value. And potentially more value than what they’d get back in trade.

              • Havok9120 says:

                Bwuh? When did Hughes get involved here? Strawman much? And at least pay attention to who you’re talking to. The guy to whom you just responded has written pretty extensively on why Phil should be traded or at least not resigned.

                Ignoring the value of their pitching just makes you sound ridiculous. There’s no reason to believe a trade can net more value than they are currently providing to the team.

  111. Mickey Scheister says:

    Hughes sucks ass. Trade his sorry ass and promote Nuno, just when I was looking forward to his starts he shits the bed. The Yankees CAN win this game, they scored 4 runs in 4 innings last night, they can score 7 runs in 7 innings left tonight. Lets go Railriders…I mean Yankees!

  112. Wheels says:

    I didn’t like how Sterling still did Ibanez’s home run call after the grand slam. Shouldn’t have done it for a shot that put us down 6-0.

  113. Anderson Silva says:

    Gardner should really try swinging at the first pitch every now and then… He gets a lot of first pitch FB in the middle of the plate

    • Havok9120 says:

      Wait….weren’t you one of the guys that flipped out on him for swinging at the first pitch during one of the doubleheader games?

      You may not have been, but I thought you were. Either way, half a dozen people were pretty ticked at him for it. Cano too.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        It’s OK to swing at the first pitch, but only if they’re going to get a hit.
        If they don’t get a hit, it was the dumbest thing ever to swing at the first pitch, and shows they just don’t want to be there.

  114. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Let’s go Marshall. Be our glimmer of hope of developing starters.

  115. Get Phelps Up says:

    Uh oh…
    Injury Delay on gameday and then Price gets removed.

  116. Mickey Scheister says:

    So the early scurvy fuck of the night goes to Hughes. Lets see if anyone can dethrone him before the end of the game.

    • Pat D says:

      If Hughes is clean-shaven, that term can’t be applied.

      Only if he’s got some growth on his face.

      • Mickey Scheister says:

        I didn’t tune in early enough to see his 1 IP tonight but I’m picturing his chi-mo stache when presenting that award this evening.

  117. Anderson Silva says:

    what to expect of this Marshall kid?

  118. Brian S. says:

    Let’s go Marshy.

  119. SDB says:

    For those paying some attention to the Rays/Sox game, what happened to David Price?

    (What is it with pitchers today? Vogelsong 2 IP, 8 ER v. Toronto…)

  120. Brian S. says:

    And seriously Ibanez can go screw himself. I know he’s a postseason hero but this is bullshit hitting two home runs against us.

  121. Rizi Walnuts says:

    You put in a long day, grab a beer, hit the couch, fire up the 57-inch HD wonderbox and 7-1? WTF?

    • Mickey Scheister says:

      I know the feeling. There’s still hope over here outta me but with each out, it’s weaning away.

  122. Wheels says:

    Lyle strokin’

  123. I'mVernonI'mVernon4U says:

    The more I watch Overbay play, the more I wish we could keep him.

  124. Rizi Walnuts says:

    Wait – wasn’t Baby Hughie starting?

  125. SeventhAce says:

    .2 IP….. WTFARK!?

  126. Brian S. says:

    Adamsy isn’t doing so well :(

  127. Pinstripes In Cali says:


  128. Rizi Walnuts says:

    All that Tokyo posturing becomes annoying when Ichiro just rolls it to to 2B.

  129. Pat D says:

    Just a few, quick observations. Reply all you want, I’m probably not coming back tonight.

    1) If you’re down on Hughes, fine, I understand that. But if you think he’s nothing more than “league-average” or a “back-end” starter, please enlighten me as to what kind of “long-term asset” you’d get for him in a trade. Guess what? You’re not going to get what you think you can get. Why? Because if he’s “league-average” at best, the best thing you could get would be a Grade-B prospect. That’s not someone in a Top 100 list. His value is limited because you’ve labeled him as such.

    2) Stop whining about the Yankees not being able to develop their own starters. If you’re going to whine about anything along this line of thinking, whine about this: their inability to develop ANY players. Go to BRef, go through their drafts and see how many 10+ WAR players are there since 1990. And then figure out how many of them didn’t play for the Yankees. That’ll get you fucking depressed. That’s also called the price of success. When you’re a winning team for the last 20 years, you’re not getting the premium draft picks. Such is life. They need to make something out of what they get, sure, but it’s not like the Prices and Verlanders and Longorias and Fielders and McCutchens have been there for them to pick. And don’t even try to say “If they hadn’t signed Teix, they could have drafted Trout,” since that is wrong on so many levels.

    • Pinstripes In Cali says:

      Verducci wrote a really good article today about the Mets and Harvey and how fucking hard it is to develop starting pitching. Worth a read if one thinks that the Yankees are bad at it.


      • MannyGeee says:

        Fallacy, the Yankees are the only team that has difficulty developing pitching. About 15 dipshits just told me so.

    • The Real Greg says:

      I made a list earlier this year or last year of good pitchers they could have drafted in the second round or lower. Lester was at the top of that list.

      So while the big name players aren’t getting down to the Yankees, you can turn second and third round picks into “aces even”. Heavens to Murgatroyd!


      • Havok9120 says:

        We annihilated your list over the course of about a week. Mike and virtually every regular took turns pulverizing it. You stopped even responding to our arguments. We did the same with your list of pitchers developed by the Yanks AND your list that told us that “every team” had a premium prospect making a debut this season except the Yanks.

        Lists may not (quite) have gone out with Joe McCarthy, but your lists have been pretty terribad.

    • Anderson Silva says:

      1) Agreed. He wouldnt net anything decent in a trade because he’s fairly mediocre. A starter with no offspeed stuff whatsoever and a OK fastball is not something that’s going to get a lot of attention in trades.
      2)It’s not only the first 10 to 15 picks in a draft that yield good players. A great deal of the process of developing young talent is having great instructors in the minors to, you know, DEVELOP them. It seems like the Yankees like those type of coaches and that’s something that could offset not drafting high in every draft.

      • Anderson Silva says:

        Yankees lack*

      • Havok9120 says:

        And the Yanks have a better track record than almost anyone (that’s ever been pointed out to me at any rate) of taking guys out of round 35+ and turning them into something of value. No, they haven’t generated any true stars from those rounds lately, but they get role players from them pretty frequently.

  130. your mom says:

    Marshall is all over the friggin place. He’s not going to last long if he continues this way.

  131. your mom says:

    Wow, Smoak sucks.

  132. Rizi Walnuts says:

    I just saw grand slam under Raul’s name.

  133. Bobby Meacham's Psychiatrist says:

    Welcome to the Show Mr. Adams…note that tonight’s pitching performance by a Free Agent to Be unNamed Later has been brought to you by the Letter L and the $ (for whoever decides to shell out for Hughes because I think he has as much chance of being resigned as Swish did)

    What’s Jamie Moyer doing these days?

    • The Real Greg says:

      We have a young Jamie Moyer. His name is Vidal Nuno.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Someone save this… I think we’ll need this when he drops his first turd and Greg tells us how much he sucks.

        • The Real Greg says:

          In terms of pitching style. Not much velocity, lefty, good control. Not saying that he will have a career like Moyer.

      • Bobby Meacham's Psychiatrist says:

        No, I mean the original one who came up to the Show the day after Doubleday invented the game….I’d much rather see him play NOW than watch Hughes cough up this trash.

        Jamie, if you’re reading this … you never wore pinestripes, did you? *HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE*

  134. Karl Krawfid says:

    Raul showing off.

    3 bombs 2 days.

  135. I'mVernonI'mVernon4U says:

    The Dark Lord, indeed.

  136. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Voldemort is really putting the fucks to us tonight.

  137. The Real Greg says:

    Can we just trade back for Raul please?

  138. Wheels says:

    I think this game is over

  139. Rizi Walnuts says:

    Welcome to the major’s, rook.

  140. Mickey Scheister says:

    Now it’s over. Can’t be mad at Raul. The obligatory “we shoulda resigned Raul!!!”

  141. your mom says:

    Raul mad we didn’t re-sign him.

  142. Rizi Walnuts says:

    What was the reason we didn’t re-up Raul?

  143. Rizi Walnuts says:

    It’s a beautiful night at the ball park. Quiet, peaceful, even.

  144. fabricio says:

    stick swinging stewart!!!

  145. Rolling Doughnut says:

    2 runs in 5 innings. Wow. Iwakuma’s having a bad outing…

  146. your mom says:

    I guess the pitching staff was due for a stinker, they’ve been pretty solid lately. Oh hey, a Stewart HR.

  147. Anderson Silva says:

    Gardner wasn’t running full speed there.. thats one he easily beats

  148. vicki says:

    good morning, blue jay offense. sleep well?

  149. Anderson Silva says:

    Marshall is very unimpressive.. stuff looks mediocre at best

  150. Anderson Silva says:

    this is embarrassing.. time to go. Have a good night fellas..

  151. The Real Greg says:

    By the way, I decided to add the Beach Boys to the list. So that makes 8 out of 10. Any more nominees?

    On the list:
    The Beatles
    The Rolling Stones
    Led Zeppelin
    The Who
    Pink Floyd
    The Kinks
    The Beach Boys

    • Bo Knows says:

      the list of what?

      • The Real Greg says:

        Top ten Rock bands of all time in no particular order.

        • Bo Knows says:

          oh ok, I would be no help in that kind of discussion. I know exactly jack shit about rock bands.

        • Betty Lizard says:

          I know you have a list of criteria, and those on the lists must be “bands” but I am still sad to see a list without Elvis Costello or Neil Young or Eric Clapton

          Which then segues into my wishing to see (whether meeting the criteria or not):

          The Byrds
          Little Feat

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            A list of best American bands, without Greg’s bullshit rules, would be interesting…..and may have CSN sneaking in there.

            Then again, does Nash’s presence disqualify them?

            • Betty Lizard says:

              Just as I do not watch Phil Hughes starts I do not speak ill of Graham Nash.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Nothing wrong with Nash, but he’s British, is he not?

                Always liked Stills and, by “liked,” I mean anything of note by him came out before I was born. “Manassas” is excellent.

                • Betty Lizard says:

                  I consider Nash the lightweight of the group.

                  And CSN/CSNY are American bands, Brits and Canadians notwithstanding. Besides which, how was Greg’s a list of American bands with the Beatles et al on there?

    • vicki says:

      didn’t you say rock bands? i take issue with the beach boys.

      • The Real Greg says:

        That’s why I hesitated to put them on the list for a long time. But their Wiki page as well as other sources labels them as a rock band, and also if you think about it, they created their own style of rock.

    • Brian S. says:

      That stuff was like half a century ago.

  152. Frank says:

    This game is going to wreck our run differential.

  153. Bobby Meacham's Psychiatrist says:

    Jamie Moyer was seen being fitted for a uniform…..

  154. Brian S. says:

    Granderson has sucked for almost a year now.

  155. The Real Greg says:

    David Cone sounds so awkward doing those promos

  156. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Been watching the Heat, for some reason, not putting this away tonight and having trouble with Rip Hamilton and Carlos Boozer.

    My assumption, from looking at the boxscore, is that Marshall hasn’t looked too great. How has Adams looked so far?

    Also, and most importantly, I need to know, is the sky falling?

  157. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    There ya go, Addy.

  158. Brian S. says:

    Trade Ichiro to the Giants.

  159. Mike Axisa says:

    They need to shoot Ichiro into the sun. His presence on the roster is an insult to my fandom.

  160. TomH says:

    Well, I knew it was bad when I walked into the tv room to watch the game and my wife–knowing that my computer had to be reformatted today and that I was ready for either Valium or bourbon–told me, “You don’t want to watch tonight.” To prove my manhood, I turned it on and then quickly turned it off.

    Worse: for those of us who have to live among them, the Blue Jays’ fans are beginning to perk up.

    Hughes has been given every chance to get it together. Years and years (his youth, his oldest virtue) have passed and there is still no knockout pitch. Do these guys ever go over to old-timer stars and say, “Hey, Andy/CC/Hiroki/Mariano, how DO you grip the ball for that X of yours?” He’s worked with a couple of pitching coaches, one of them much admired, and still zilch.

    Phelps instead of Hughes. But who, then, instead of Nova?

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I don’t think Phil Hughes is any danger of losing his rotation spot over getting his ass supremely handed to him one start, nor should he.

      • TomH says:

        it’s not just one start. He’s the team yo-yo. Now he’s up, now he crashes. Nova’s the same. They remind me of that guy from when I was a kid. He came by our school every year to demonstrate yo-yo techniques (he was from the Phillippines), including two yo-yo’s at once. When Phil and Nova are 4-5 in the order, I always think of him.

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        He got creamed last start, too.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      “Do these guys ever go over to old-timer stars and say, “Hey, Andy/CC/Hiroki/Mariano, how DO you grip the ball for that X of yours?”

      Do you really think it’s that easy?

      • TomH says:

        Depends on how many years you keep trying to do it. It’s pretty strange to me that someone like Hughes, with all that elan surrounding him years ago, has simply failed to develop the pitch(es) needed to keep himself competitive. Sometimes, you know, failings among the highly talented–and we have to assume that to some extent this was once a highly-talented guy–are failures of temperament.

        It’s also possible that NY is not the place for him. I don’t mean merely because of his fly-ball tendencies. He might be more likely to live up to those now-distant expectations of him somewhere other than NY, or, indeed, the AL East.

  161. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Shane Battier!

  162. Now Batting says:

    Wish they could take Marshall out for his psyche but there’s no one left in the bp.

  163. Vernon_is_the_man says:


    I am not watching one game and this happens? What the hell is going on. Did Hughes walk up to the plate and put it on a tee? What happened to the bullpen? Holy crap.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Your favorite team will look like a World Champion one day and a Short Season Single-A team another. It happens.

  164. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    If they send Marshall down, who gets recalled though?
    Bettances? Rondon? Is Joba ready?

  165. Frank says:

    With this bunch, you can’t exactly tell by the substitutions exactly when they’re throwing out the white flag. Sometimes it seems as early as the first inning.

  166. Wheels says:

    Who is starting for us tomorrow?

  167. Mike Axisa says:

    This game will be completely forgotten if Ichiro pitches the ninth. That would be fun.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      If a position player is taken out of the game does the preclude them from pitching? What about if they’re retired and in the Hall of Fame? Because I could go for a little Wade Boggs knuckleball right about now.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Would that earn him the right not to be shot into the sun with the Navy’s experimental railgun?

  168. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Does this count as one game in the standings?

  169. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Can I technically participate in a game thread if I’ve been watching another game the entire time, in another sport, even?

  170. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Bring on the next victims. HEEEEEEEAT.

  171. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’d like to thank Brett Marshall for taking the bullet for the team tonight. Really.

    I hope you have a much better second time out.

  172. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Decent innings eating, Brett.

    • SDB says:

      Yup. So Kelley, Blogan, Robertson and Mo are still fresh, despite Hughes sucking the big one today. At least there are some positives.

  173. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Throw it down the middle, Alberto.

  174. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Better than Phil.

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