May
17

Hal Steinbrenner confirms contract talks with Cano’s new agent

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Via Ken Davidoff: Hal Steinbrenner confirmed the Yankees have had some talks with Robinson Cano‘s new agent about a contract extension. The team’s 30-year-old second baseman fired Scott Boras and hired CAA Sports/Roc Nation last month. It’s unclear if a new offer has been made.

“We’ve had several conversations with Brodie (Van Wagenen), the new agent, just as we did with Scott (Boras) … A lot of it’s procedural. I keep saying, it’s not a process we’ll be reading about in the paper every day. If anything significant happens, everybody’s going to know, but we’re going to continue in the weeks to come to work though things and try to come to an agreement,” said Hal. The teams hopes to sign Cano before he hits free agency after the end of the year.

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  • mike

    That makes sense for the Yanks – even if they overpay, they will have additional cost-certainty with their team next year, allowing them to determine the true savings by hitting $189 without having to wonder about the open market, and thus giving them a foundation from which to determine how aggressive they will be in re-signing their own players, or pursuing others.

    • trr

      and overpay we will, yet what other choice have we?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Walking away and not saddling the team with another albatross.

        • Bubba

          That would suck but might be the wiser choice.

          • mike

            its only wiser to let him walk if there is a better alternative – and since we don’t know how the Yanks are planning on running the business, its impossible to know what their calculus will be with Cano and others.

            • Bubba

              The better alternative is not getting stuck with another albatross. The track record for long-term contracts is pretty poor. Jeter and A-Rod the 1st seemed to work out okay, but for every contract like those you got a handful of Tex, Zito, A-Rod part deux contracts.

              It would suck seeing Robbie in a different uniform but if it’s an eight year contract there is a better than average chance that fans would be happy they are not stuck with years 6-8.

              You are correct that we don’t know how the Yanks plan on running the business but we can infer by past actions and statements that they will approach it with some semblance of fiscal responsibility.

        • trr

          that would take balls of steel, Mike, and I don’t think the F/O has ‘em

    • Vern Sneaker

      It’s not just the $$ he’s going to get, it’s the diminished player we’re going to be running out there after the contract’s third or fourth year while the club’s financial hands are tied for important acquisitions. We already may be seeing the very early signs of deterioration (production vs. LH pitching). Can we make the playoffs in 2014-on without him? I have trouble believing we can’t.

  • CONservative governMENt

    Cano seems to like NY and from a ‘brand’ perspective would benefit from staying. I’d sign him to a sensible deal but would let him walk if he demands the overpay in years AND in average annual value.

    Young stars and cheap vets is the way to go.

    • jjyank

      “Young stars and cheap vets is the way to go.”

      Sure, that’d be ideal. However, that’s a hell of a lot easier to say that it is to accomplish. The Yankees don’t have any young stars. They might if a couple prospects pan out, but they can hardly bank on that.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I would get used to the fact that he’s more likely going to get paid as a Yankee icon, and not according to what splits, etc., fans can dig up.

    Whether you think that’s correct or not is up to you.

    • Vern Sneaker

      I agree — his iconic status will cause them to decide to pay him knowing full well his production and defensive ability are going to fade significantly (if 2B-man history is any indication).

      I don’t think that’s the right way to go. Do you? Also: I sometimes wonder how much of an icon he’s going to be; there’s something about him that I think fans find unlovable compared with the true icons.

      • jjyank

        Speak for yourself. Robbie is my favorite player since Bernie Williams.

        • Vern Sneaker

          I like him too. A lot. He’s extraordinary and over the next few years not replaceable at anything near his level. I can’t understand anybody bitching about him now. But I think I’m right about the possibility he won’t be as much of an icon because rightly or wrongly he irritates more than a few fans, and I also think the reservations about a long-term contract are valid, though very debateable.

          • jjyank

            Sure, the concerns are certainly valid. I do think that a long term deal with Cano won’t necessarily hurt the organization though. Signing him does not immediately spell doom for the team 5 years down the line.

            I hope Cano is a Yankee for life.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’m unable to separate emotion from common sense here. I’m the wrong person to ask that question to. I have no say on Yankee personnel matters, so it’s OK.

        Like jjyank, no matter what history tells us, I’ll probably celebrate when I find out he’s a Yankee for life and deal with the consequences, as a fan, later.

        It’s up to them to have a steadier hand that I do.

        • Vern Sneaker

          Fair enough.

  • paulc

    Here comes Hal with another AROD type deal…Just set us back some more Hal…

    • jjyank

      You’re thinking of Hank. And you also don’t know if a Cano deal will set us back or not.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      It was Hal and Hank

  • shittyshittybangbang

    In the minority, but i just dont see more than 18 per for 7. Or 2 for 21 per short term. Guy’s batting under .300, 10 hrs, 30 ribbies.

    • jjyank

      …you’re knocking him for hitting .298 right now, not .300? For having “only” 10 home runs on May 17th? You realize that puts him on pace for over 30 home runs, right?

  • shittyshittybangbang

    Ok jjyank, how much ? How much would you pay (or overpay) for .290’s, 30 hrs, 95 rbi’s ? And for a 2nd basemen with limited range up the middle, not to mention the way he busts it out of the box, ala soriano. He’s good, but he’s 30 and isnt a leader or franchise type talent.

    • jjyank

      I think he is a franchise type talent. And why are you knocking his batting average into the .290s? He hasn’t hit under .300 in a season since 2008. And he plays a better 2B than you’re giving him credit for.

      I find the exercise of throwing out numbers to be fairly useless. I’m just pointing out that I think you’re underrating Cano.

    • Robinson Tilapia (you all think I speak for jjyank anyway)

      50 years. One gazillion dollars.

      What’s the difference? He just told you he’s his favorite player. Robbie Cano is going to be worth a lot more to his idea of the New York Yankees.

      Oh, I forgot….we’re supposed to separate emotion from it all because it makes us more discer…..we’re a bunch of fans on a website comment section.

    • Vern Sneaker

      C’mon, where the 2nd basemen who every year give you 125-130 wRC+, 5+ WAR, and good defense? Right now he’s a terrific player and we’re lucky to have him. He’s always had slumps and hot streaks, but you know pretty much where he’s going to be at the end of this year. The debate is about 4-5 years from now, and if he’s delivering at age 35 the .290/30/95 you cite above, give me the pen, I’ll sign him now.

    • Dalek Jeter

      You do realize he’s basically on a HOF trajectory…if you wanna bash him for not hustling or whatever, that’s fine, but to call him not a “franchise type talent” is ridiculous. I think it’s fairer to say that he’s got a better chance at being one of the top 2nd baseman all time than being a “not franchise type talent.” All that said, I’d be completely okay with 6 years at anywhere between 165-180.

  • mike

    The biggest number in this whole calculus will be fannies in the seats – Arod and Jeter have demonstrated they can be overpaid because they drive fans/attention to the ballpark. Just like Mattingly, and Reggie before him.

    I don’t think anyone outside of true fans pays/paid to see Cano (or Bernie, or Murcer, or Munson) in the lineup…they want him to succeed and root for them as part of the Yankees succeeding, but those aforementioned guys make otherwise uninterested folks into paying customers.

    can the Yanks spend over 10% of their payroll on a non-marque player? I don’t know, but i guess we will soon find out

    • Havok9120

      Of course, that also requires everyone to accept the premise that he’s “non-marque.” Which, really, most people don’t.

  • shittyshittybangbang

    The excersize of over/under-rating is implicitly tied to money. Cano at 20 per is over-rating. Cano at 12 per is under-rating. Cano at 17 to 18 per, is about right (and not for 10 years) IMO.