May
04

Saturday Night Open Thread

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So YES has this YES View thing now. Could be cool?

Nice bounceback win this afternoon, especially since Phil Hughes turned in his best start of the season and fourth consecutive strong start. By Game Score (81), it was the best start of his career, tied with this one. Pretty awesome. Good Phil sure is fun to watch.

Here is your open thread for the night. There is plenty of NHL action on tonight, plus the Nets are playing Game Seven. The Mets were rained out, but MLB Network will air a game later. Most will see the Dodgers at the Giants (Magill vs. Vogelsong), which is always fun. Talk about those games or anything else. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • The Real Greg

    By the way, continuing from the game thread, I have decided to add the Kinks to the list, which makes 7 slots filled and 3 to go.

    And Freddy Garcia is shutting out the Angels through 5 innings. In fact he has a no hitter through 5.

    • The Real Me

      The Kinks are an interesting choice. Definitely added a lot to rock/punk, but not a huge number of hits. Certainly made music for a long time. Not sure if they’d be in my top 10, but I’d have a few bands in there that many people haven’t heard of or would completely disagree with.

      • The Real Greg

        If they were just popular in the 60s and fizzled out then they wouldn’t be there. What put them over the top was the fact that they enjoyed a revival period in the late 70s and early 80s and had a top 10 single in 1982/1983 with “Come Dancing”

        That plus they do have a good legacy and influence.

        • The Real Me

          What about Jimi Hendrix? Clapton (in his various forms, from the Yardbirds, Cream, Derec and the Dominoes, solo)? Santana? All could be included for various reasons.

          • The Real Me

            Derec Derek

          • The Real Greg

            One of my rules is that it can’t be dominated by an individual performer. It can’t just be one star and 3 other guys. All four members have to be on equal footing and/or contribute.

            • Rinse Dream

              That’s be news to Ray Davies, no? Dave Davies was a decent guitarist but there’s a reason there were rumors that Jimmy Page played lead on their iconic early hits.

              • vicki

                myth. he played some rhythm as a session guy.

        • rey sanchez

          Jefferson Airplane. Underrated, but needs to be considered.

          • rey sanchez

            Beatles
            Stones
            Jimi Experience
            Queen
            Led
            Sex Pistols
            Frank Zappa
            Jeff Airplane
            Jane’s Addiction
            Nirvana

            • The Real Greg

              The list right now is in no particular order:

              The Beatles
              The Rolling Stones
              Queen
              Led Zeppelin
              The Who
              Pink Floyd
              The Kinks

              • rey sanchez

                Well, Jimi Hendrix Experience needs to be there and I’d probably include the Doors as well.

                • The Real Greg

                  When your name is in the name of the band, it suggests the “one star, 3 other guys” rule which disqualifies it.

                  The Doors are good, but they didn’t last long enough for real consideration.

                  Have to be together at least 10 years. Nirvana is eliminated also because of that tenet.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    I have opinions. I’ll get to them after I put my son to bed.

                    • vicki

                      subjective is much more fun than objective.

              • Bubba

                Joy Division

                • vicki

                  gag.

          • The Real Greg

            Do we then include Starship with them and songs like “We Built This City”?

            • rey sanchez

              Haha naa just airplane.

          • WhittakerWalt

            The fact that they turned into Starship should invalidate their membership.

            • vicki

              not the quality of their music from jump?

        • OldYanksFan

          Moody Blues
          Jethro Tull
          Bee Gees
          Pink Floyd

          Are Black people allowed?
          Supremes
          Temptations

          • The Real Me

            I like the inclusion of Tull and The Moody’s. I’d have them on my list. Possibly Elton John. Since I don’t have the “10 year” rule, I’d include UK, but only their first album with Bill Bruford and Allan Holdsworth. Then there’s Torque. Again, one album, 103103. Since this is my list, they don’t have to be RnR Hall of Fame inductees, just my favorites. :-)

    • The Real Greg

      Now he is through 6 innings with a no-no. He has thrown just 65 pitches

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      What about Neutral Milk Hotel. I’m not sure if they were together long enough to qualify, but “In the Aeroplane Over the Sea” is a classic.

      • The Doctor

        I adore NMH and freaked out when I heard they were reuniting, but there’s no way they’re in a 10 greatest bands list. Maybe a personal favorites top 10 but not an objective list.

    • Toad

      No love for Motown?

      Too long ago? Doesn’t fit the definition?

      • The Real Me

        Some Motown artists belong on a true Top 10 of all time list. If you’re ever in Detroit, go see the Motown museum. Well worth the time.

        • Toad

          Yes. Of course.

          Too many young whippersnappers around here. Probably never heard of Gil McDougald either.

          • Young Whippersnapper

            Bet you never heard of John Herbert.

  • YankeeFan

    Brooklyn Nets Game 7 tonight.

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Word. It looks like “Good Phil” started early this year.

  • Ivan

    Not that anyone would care but there is NBA action tonight. Nets Vs. Bulls Game 7. Just to correct on that Mike.

  • dkidd

    sweaty freddy, ya’ll

  • jim p

    Can someone explain this to me, please? I must be missing something obvious, or my brain isn’t working right, or…

    I go to the standings at MLB.com http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standin....._standings

    There’s a column “WCGB” Wild Card Games Behind. The teams which would have clinched if today ended the season all have a dash in that column. The other teams have just numbers.

    The Yankees have (at this moment) “+1.0″ in that column. I can’t figure what that “plus” means. They’re the only team with that. Of course I hope it means the Yankees are handicapped to get a WC position or something, but…

    Any clarity would be appreciated.

    • ROBTEN

      It means they’re 1 game up on the second wild-card team.

      • jim p

        Thank you.

  • SDB

    Looking forward to some more baseball tonight while home alone. Hopefully Detroit/Houston will turn into a run-filled slaughter (particularly as I have Jackson, Hunter and Cabrera in both my fantasy leagues, and need some runs and RBI.)

    And it’s always fun to root against Boston.

    Looks like Aybar just killed the no no.

  • The Real Greg

    And Trumbo homers to break the shutout.

    • SDB

      Trumbo’s been scary good so far this year.

      • vicki

        he started strong last year too.

        • Pat D

          Indeed. He’ll crash by mid-June.

  • Guns

    The Blue Jays are HOLY SHIT awful.

    • Bob Buttons

      Feels awesome when people try to buy a championship and blows up and it ain’t us, no?

      • Guns

        Hell yes. Especially when everyone in the media buys into it hook, line and sinker.

        • Bob Buttons

          Funny how our less risky investments get blasted hard and Jays get praised for taking on a SS and SP with injury problems, a knuckleballer who only started throwing it regularly a few years back, and a lefty who got blown up last year playing in the NL East.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Ugh. Vince Young flashbacks.

        • Bob Buttons

          Look on the bright side, at least you didn’t sign “Fat Albert” Haynesworth.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        There’s a difference between other teams and us: When WE buy a championship, we fucking WIN.

        • Bob Buttons

          And they say anybody can do Cashman’s job.

          Of course, since I fucking hate NoMaas, it feels good to say: fuck no, nobody can win every game if they had 200 million to burn.

          • MannyGeee

            THIS +200,000,000!

      • Pat D

        That’s why it’s impossible to “buy” a championship. I mean, shit, the years most indicative of when the Yankees tried to were 2001-2008, when they didn’t.

        Or 1977, when they did…

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          And, you know, honestly 09′ when they did.

          • Pat D

            Yea, true.

  • Mickey Scheister

    I miss Teix and all but Overbay’s doing a great job in key spots. Unless he sucks ass the next couple of weeks, it’ll be sad to see him go!

    • SDB

      Yeah, it’s a shame Overbay can’t play another position and hang around, as I’d rather not see him go anywhere else or down to AAA. Is it too late to teach him how to play 3B once Teix comes back?

      He’s been an absolute pro, fantastic in the field, producing some pretty clutch runs and hits – I’ve been eating all my words about how the Yankees were throwing money away by signing him. And his running a couple of days ago in that DP to allow Nunez to score a go-ahead run was brilliant.

    • vicki

      asymptomatic? nobody?

  • The Real Greg

    And all of Garcia’s work goes for not as O’Day gives up the lead.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Fuck the Red Sox.

    • Bob Buttons

      *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*

    • Guns

      Agreed.

      And the Celtics. And the Patriots. And the Boston-loving media at ESPN who proliferate the myth that the city’s teams are gritty, never-say-die underdogs who’s every victory is a testament to the team’s heart and soul.

      • SDB

        Yes. Fuck em all.

        No lube, either.

  • Vern Sneaker

    The Allman Brothers Band, back in the day. NOBODY played guitar like Duane Allman. RIP, Skydog. .

    • The Real Me

      First concert I ever saw. July of 1974 at the Nassau Coliseum. Probably still have the ticket stub, as I’ve kept nearly all of them, at least for concerts I saw through probably around 1997 or so.

      • The Real Me

        Unfortunately, this was, of course, after Duane and Berry Oakly had passed on.

  • forensic

    That sound you hear…

    is the Angels and Blue Jays hitting rock bottom (and hopefully staying there).

  • howdy boys

    If josh hamilton didn’t give his 20’s away to drugs do you guys think he would have been the most talented player since griffey? I assume the rays would have brought him up at 20, or 21 and traded him at 25 26.

  • jjyank

    Pat D gives the best full body rubs

    • The Real Me

      Not sure I want to hear any more about that ….

      • Pat D

        I’d like to know if it’s true. Since if it is, I might have a skill not previously known to me. Then I could go out and make some money.

        In other news, FUCK YOU TROLL!

    • vicki

      dylan: to live outside the law you must be honest.

      use your own handle, troll.

    • jjyank

      If you’re going to troll my handle like that, you could at least do something creative, smart, funny, intelligent, etc. Instead, you just make yourself out to look like an ass. Congratulations.

      • jjyank

        Stop bitching….Tilapia is my cuckold tonight

        • Nutty the Squirrel

          If you’re gonna use the word “cuckold” at least use it correctly.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            Well, assuming basic intelligence, which, admittedly, may be excessive, he might be casting an aspersion on the honor of our favorite fish’s wife.

            • Nutty the Squirrel

              I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that he lacks the common knowledge of how Robinson is not a female name.

              That or he enjoys sleeping with the fishes.

  • Get Phelps Up

    More fun Blue Jays facts:

    They’ve gotten off to the 2nd worst start of any AL East team since 2004. (2010 O’s were the worst)

    Highest BA among qualified platers: .247 (Colby Rasmus)

    Highest OBP among qualified players: .327 (Joey Bats)

    JA Happ is the only member of their rotation with an ERA+ above 100 and an ERA less than 5.29.

    The Angels are the only AL team that has committed more errors than Toronto.

    Only the Astros have allowed more runs/game.

    Their 82 OPS+ is the third worst in baseball, the same for their .291 team OBP.

    Their .680 OPS is the fourth worst in baseball.

    Their .226 team batting average is the worst in baseball.

    • The Real Me

      Nice! This would be even more fun if it were the Red Sox. Unfortunately, they’ve gotten off to a good start this season.

  • Pat D

    Since I’m way late to this party, I’d like to comment on this best bands thing.

    Trying to gather Greg’s criteria, it seems like we disqualify Nirvana, Guns N Roses, The Jimi Hendrix Experience (who if you’re going to disqualify them for something it should be for short career, not that they were Hendrix and a backing band, because that is wrong), and any band where it was Lead Singer & The Backup Band (Springsteen, Tom Petty, Buddy Holly). Obviously we’re not considering solo acts either so Elvis, David Bowie, a bunch of others are out.

    What is your take on Motown? If you include them, it’s hard to ignore The Temptations or The Four Tops.

    The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd are no-brainers to me.

    For the other five spots, there’s a lot to consider. The Beach Boys, The Kinks, The Animals, The Doors, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Queen, Aerosmith, The Clash, U2, R.E.M. and Radiohead are ones that all pop into my mind for consideration.

    They’d all be a step above groups like AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Allman Brothers Band, The Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Pearl Jam, Coldplay, off the top of my head, to name several.

    The wild card might be The Velvet Underground. I’ve never been able to get into them but they always seem to be that fringe snob group’s choice.

    • The Real Greg

      Didn’t think of Motown. I’ll look into it. I think though they go into the Doo-Wop/R&B category

      I added the Kinks to the list today. Queen was already there, so that’s 7.

      U2 is in consideration. So are The Eagles. The Beach Boys I originally didn’t consider a rock band, but I will look into it.

      • vicki

        motown is definitely r&b/soul. different animal.

      • Pat D

        If you’re going for just purely “rock,” then you probably do have to exclude Motown.

        As for The Beach Boys, as mercurial as I am with a great deal of their music, they had considerable longevity and influence. They’re most definitely a rock band too. Not sure what else you could consider them.

        • Pat D

          In addition, I’d put The Eagles in the AC/DC through Coldplay list I had.

          Fleetwood Mac is one I totally forgot that deserve consideration, though they wouldn’t make my top 10.

        • vicki

          phil spector and chuck berry could tell you what to call the beach boys.

          rip-offs.

          • Pat D

            Of whom?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You think Wilson’s production ripped off Spector? Interesting. Something to think about.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Almost. Peak (post-blues era) was three albums, even though I love “Tango in the Night.” I thought about them.

      • MannyGeee

        Is Aerosmith in play? They meet the criteria and I got to say they are the epitome of rock stardom… Well, that is until Steven Tyler morphed into a middle aged Jewish woman, but I digress. Put Aerosmith in the list.

        • Pat D

          Aerosmith would be knocked out of my Top 10 because they’re essentially a lesser American version of the Stones.

          I still like them a lot, and a lot of their music brings back memories of great vacations as a teenager, but I can’t put them top 10.

          • MannyGeee

            Yikes… OK I can consign on them being the American knockoff Stones.

    • vicki

      ugh. the record with nico is on the jukebox at work. angsty seventeen-year-olds are forgiven, but nobody else should listen to the velvet underground. #whywehaveaskipbutton

      i think greg should reconsider the ramones, on influence and longevity grounds. honorable mention for cheap trick and (guilty pleasure) kiss.

      • Pat D

        Sorry, I can’t strongly consider bands who can’t get into the R&R HOF.

        Before you object to that, the ones I mentioned who aren’t in it aren’t eligible yet.

        • vicki

          rock hall voters are middle-brow schlocksters.

          • Pat D

            Indeed they are.

            But with all the acts that are in the R&R HOF, and the fact that they induct 6 new ones every year, if I’m going to consider you for best of all time, you’d better be in it.

            You don’t see me advocating for The Monkees, do you?

            • vicki

              “mary, mary” is a hot tune.

              anyway, i think you’re better than this rnrhof argument.

              • Pat D

                The Monkees had plenty of great songs. But they only played on about half of them.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              I disagree. as we all know, Hall voters can fuck up. A lot.

              • Pat D

                Give me 5 groups/solo acts that aren’t in that should be.

                • The Real Me

                  Well, we can give you plenty that are in that shouldn’t be in. How about that?

                  • Pat D

                    Oh, I agree.

                    But I’m sure there are more questionable choices that are in rather than obvious choices that are not.

                    It’s better to be more inclusive and let in questionable choices that to miss obvious ones.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      Eh, that’s a big matter of opinion.

                      Oh, HUGE one: Journey. Absolute utter fucking TRAVESTY.

                      Kiss.

                      Cheap Trick, who I don’t really like but who are iconic.

                      The Doobie Brothers.

                      There, we got five.

                    • Pat D

                      Kiss is the only one I think I’d agree with. I like the Doobies, but not sure they measure up. I’m honestly not familiar enough with Hall and Oates and Cheap Trick.

                      But, and sorry to piss you off, I fucking HATE Journey.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      You hate Journey?

                      I hate you, Pat. That’s my favorite band.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  I can give you one off the top of my head. Hall and Oates.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t know if anything passed the Nico album is really trancendent. I like “White Light/White Heat,” but it’s not a classic album.

      • vicki

        it’s all unlistenable.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      I’m amazed the Four Seasons haven’t been mentioned.

      Also, no Journey love? My all-time favorite band.

      • Pat D

        I think that’s because most people consider The Four Seasons a vocal group as opposed to a band, accurate or not.

        Also, they’re not going to appeal to everyone because the high vocals can be grating after a while. See Beach Boys, The.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          The Four Seasons are in a whole other league from the Beach Boys, great as they are. They had a redonkulous number of hits and they’re in the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame. I think they’re a perfect candidate (And definitely a band, by the way. I believe the piano player wrote a metric fuckton of their songs).

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Yes, and that league would be High-A.

            Frankie Valli doesn’t belong in the same building as Brian Wilson unless Frankie’s the doorman.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              You’re batshit, man. Batshit.

  • The Real Greg

    I hope each one of the Nets players goes home and cries to their mommies. What a pathetic display

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They lost?!?!?! YES! I GET MY PARKING BACK!

  • Pseudoyanks

    Just stop the hating already and put the Grateful Dead in!!!

    • Pat D

      Dammit, I knew I forgot someone else.

      Not in my top 10 though.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Absolutely top 10. Early 70’s period is some of the best pure music ever made. The body of available music out there because of the sheer amount of taping that went on is amazing….and 80% of it makes for fabulous listening. Fascinating to see how they changed throughout the years.

      • Pseudoyanks

        +Gazillion

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Not in any order whatsoever.

    The safe picks…

    1. Led Zep
    2. Beatles
    3. Pink Floyd
    4. Rolling Stones

    For the rest, I considered not just longevity, but relevance throughout their longevity. For example, Deep Purple still releases albums. Who gives a shit. I considered impact on those who came after, and awesomeness and length of peak period. Also, yes, talent and versatility.

    5. Grateful Dead
    6. U2
    7. Radiohead
    8. The Who

    Here’s where I get stuck, as I think about several seminal bands in certain areas, bands for which entire genres would not be here if it wasn’t for them. Many don’t have that body of work, though. Do the Stooges belong? Velvet Underground? Blondie? Not really. Some of the most important moments in music, but not great careers. King Crimson was a band I gave a ton of thought to, but there’s not the moment. A lot to respect, but not a lot to truly love unless you’re a proggy.

    So it leaves me with this, and some of you will hate my final pick.

    9. The Jimi Hendrix Experience (They WERE a band, and those three albums were seismic.)

    10. Depeche Mode. It’s been over 30 years. No one legitimized synths more. Amazing peak period.

    None of this reflects my favorite bands or anything although, yeah, I’m a major fan of some of my odder picks. Honestly, though, my favorite all-time band is Queensryche, and I doubt they make the top 50-100 bands of all time.

    • Pat D

      The legitimization of synths was not necessarily a good thing for music.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I will mightily disagree with that to the death.

        • Pat D

          Not all things with synths are bad.

          But the fact that so much of today’s popular “music” comes out of a synth instead of instruments is what makes me regret their invention.

          That said, check out a Monkees song called “Daily Nightly” that has great use of an old Moog synthesizer.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            To each his own. Electronic music is a great joy of mine.

            Still, though, DM was the first synth-driven band to headline stadiums.

      • vicki

        i’m happy we can agree on this, pat.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      My favorite all-time band is Journey.

      I’d totally put Aerosmith and The Four Seasons on the list.

    • vicki

      stooges new record is great. they belong before most of your 5-10.

      don’t get me started on depeche mode. though they, with the smiths and joy division mentions earlier, flesh out the music-to-suck-cock-by triptych. and not in a good way.

    • Insania

      Geoff Tate is one of rock’s biggest douches

      • Robinson Tilapia

        He’s certainly become one, and the new album is terrible.

    • Pseudoyanks

      Fuck yes on Radiohead.

  • Pat D

    I just realized I haven’t given my Top 10.

    Mine would be:
    1. The Beatles
    2. The Rolling Stones
    3. Led Zeppelin
    4. The Who
    5. Pink Floyd
    6. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
    7. The Doors
    8. Radiohead
    9. U2
    10. CCR

  • MannyGeee

    “Talk about whatever you want except politics and Rock Band Rank lists” in 3……2…..

    For real, this Congo has the proteintial to get heated with just the slightest of matches.

    • Bob Buttons

      So… let’s make a list of the top ten bands most likely to vote democrat!!!

      • MannyGeee

        Holy horse shit. What was I typing last night?

        • Bob Buttons

          No idea. Thought you had a personal happy hour or something.

  • Pseudoyanks

    Here goes (in no order):
    Beatles
    The Dead
    U2
    Radiohead
    Red Hot Chili Peppers
    Doors
    Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young (and every possible iteration)
    Pink Floyd
    LZ
    The Who

  • Dalek Jeter

    I just feel like sharing, though I know it’ll never be seen:
    1. Beatles
    2. Pink Floyd
    3. Led Zepplin
    4. Nirvana
    5. The Clash
    6. Queen (not getting nearly enough love)
    7. The Rolling Stones
    8. Radiohead
    9. The Jimmy Hendrix Experience
    10. The Smiths

    This is absolutely a subjective list for me, Nirvana and The Smiths helped me discover what I now consider “Good Music” also, talk to me in a decade or two, and Gaslight Anthem will make its way onto this list.

  • DC

    Might as well throw my list out there:

    Pink Floyd
    Beatles
    Led Zeppelin
    Jimi Hendrix Experience
    Rolling Stones
    Prince and the Revolution
    Queen
    Nirvana
    REM
    Van Halen

    Honorable Mentions:
    U2
    Beastie Boys
    Parliament Funkadelic
    The Police