Monday Night Open Thread

Jeter resumes baseball activities in Tampa
Draft Signing Updates: Wade, Murphy, Coshow

These mid-West Coast trip off-days are always weird. It seems like the off-days should bookend the road trip and not come in the middle, but I guess you can’t please everyone with the schedule. The Athletics, who the Yankees will play these next three days, are traveling home from Chicago after losing two of three from the White Sox. So, instead of playing tonight, the Yankee wait. Such is life.

Here is your open thread for the night. The Red Sox and Rays (Lackey vs. Cobb) are on ESPN, and a win by Tampa would move the Yankees into a tie with Boston atop the AL East in the loss column. There are no NBA or NHL playoff games tonight, so Sox-Rays is your only nationally televised option. Talk about that game or anything else here. Have at it.

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Jeter resumes baseball activities in Tampa
Draft Signing Updates: Wade, Murphy, Coshow
  • Oy

    Anyone else sees Rios as a potential target? He is pretty much paid market value for the next two years with a team option for 2015. Would a package of Nova/Austin get it done?

    • jjyank

      Nova and Austin for Rios? Huge pass.

      • trr

        Yea and no
        Yes, he could be a potential target, but agree with jj that I wouldn’t give up that much for him

        • Charles

          Well to be honest I kind of look at it in a similar fashion to the Granderson deal a few years ago. We gave up Jackson, who at the time was a pretty good prospect, for a guy who was a proven entity in Granderson. You’re trading someone who COULD be for someone that is established and is probably what Austin could grow to be at best. Plus the way Nova has pitched recently has made me way less adverse to keeping him.

      • Roadgeek Adam

        I still prefer Tank myself over Rios.

      • Oy

        Nova is a back end of the rotation arm/ long reliever who only had one year of success. Now, consider the terrible outfielder market. I don’t think 3 and a half years of a 5th starter and a top 75-100 prospect is too much to pay for 2 or 3 years of a solid outfielder.

        • FIPster Doofus

          You’re right.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Is Chicago paying like all of his salary and then giving us some extra money in the deal? Remember this is a guy who hit .227 two years ago and .253/.299/.401 from 2009-2011 before rebounding last year. I’d give Nova and maybe a fringy prospect.

  • forensic

    Geez Cobb, couldn’t you have at least tried to imagine the Red Sox wearing Yankee uniforms and do to them what you always do to the Yankees???

    • Troll

      Sox may very well have the best offense in baseball while the Yankees are certainly towards the bottom of such a list. Carp, Nava, Victorino, Iglesias, etc. Every single player on that team is capable of winning them a ball game. They’re the best team in baseball, Cardinals be damned. I’d take Boston’s offense over any other at the moment and their pitching is actually pretty damn good. I hate how good they are when it their season was practically written off before it ever began. I, for one, never saw this coming. They’re getting production from everyone and everything.

      Oh, also, for all the sabremetric dweebs out there . . . can one of you please explain to me why Pedroia would have a higher WAR than Miggy C.?

      • forensic

        I’m not a sabermetric dweeb, but I assume Pedroia is higher because of position, defense, and baserunning.

        • vicki

          clearly.

          NB: fangraphs disagrees.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Yup…PEDroia (heh, I made a funny) has a higher WAR right now because he plays a tougher defensive position better and is a much better baserunner.

          • WhittakerWalt

            This is a good example for why I can’t use WAR as the be-all end-all assessment of a player.

            • Pseudoyanks

              WAR!
              Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
              What is it good for?
              Absolutely nothing,
              Say it again….

      • Kramerica Industries

        The irritating thing, to me, is that they didn’t exactly make any great off-season moves, aside from Napoli. Victorino’s been hurt and mediocre. Dempster fucking sucks.

        True, they didn’t have David Ortiz the last two months of 2012, which is when their tailspin began, and his return has certainly been a buoy. But what the hell is the rest of this shit? Iglesias and Nava hitting out of their damned minds. Pedroia hitting .330 with a torn finger ligament. There is so much shit going on with that team right now that makes zero sense.

        As much as we all hated those (roughly) 1999-2011 Red Sox teams, we at least generally expected those teams to be very good and difficult to contend with. This 2013 Red Sox team, not so much. And it’s really fucking irritating.

        • Troll

          The last paragraph, exactly. I was so ready to bask in the inevitable implosion that would transpire in Boston this season but I’ve been sorely disappointed. They look like Murderer’s Row, and, the worst part is, none of them have REALLY slowed down all that much. They’re consistently good. That’s what kills me. They’re FU**ING CONSISTENT!

          • vicki

            rays and o’s are top offenses in the league as well. rumors of the al east’s death were greatly exaggerated.

        • MannyGeee

          Yeah, that team is winning with a lot (A LOTTTT) of people hitting over their heads. Iglecias, Nava, Saltalafuckingmaccia, Victorino…. All dudes who should not be hitting the way they are… And don’t get me started on Dempster and Doubront.

          (Pay no attention to the scrap heap 1B and back up catcher behind the pinstriped curtain….)

          • WhittakerWalt

            I’m really hoping for a massive fucking correction to hit them, and soon.

            • MannyGeee

              It will. They are a wild card team at best, and they won’t get better. Can’t say that about the Yankees (or even the Jays/Rays for that matter)…

              • vicki

                yes, but if their scrubs start to wake up to the fact that they’re scrubs cherington will have the resources to go out and get what they need. jays, rays and o’s will not be adding at the deadline.

                • MannyGeee

                  That’s fair.

                  Counterpoint: Would Cherington be gun shy about spending money on big name players after cleaning up the first mess? You could see maybe a Corey Hart trade, or maybe a Willingham… But I have trouble believing that he would abandon the game plan with the early results they’ve gotten from farm hands. No way they trade Bogarts or De La Rosa in an Ethier type deal.

        • AndrewYF

          The solace I get is that literally not one significant thing has gone even remotely wrong for them this year. The Red Sox are a good team when every single possible thing is in place. Give them even a tiny bit of adversity? Boom. The whole thing implodes.

          Meanwhile, the Yankees are dealing with an injury apocalypse that eclipses anything I can think of for any team in recent memory. And they’re a game back of the team that has nearly every single player playing over their heads.

          Just wait it out. Lester and Buchholz will have a bit of a bad stretch, or Ortiz will start to swing through every curveball in the dirt, or that torn labrum in Pedroia’s hand will actually catch up with him. All they need is one domino to fall and they will fold like a cheap house of cards (mixing my metaphors, I know). We’ve seen it year in and year out. When the magic fairy dust runs out, it will be a fun ride.

          • vicki

            i think fans of the 2012 bj’s and even this year’s dodgers may not agree that our woes necessarily eclipse theirs. the difference is our injuries haven’t taken us out of the mix.

            i sure hope y’all are right about the coming sox regression. there are some lofty babip’s, up and down the lineup.

            • AndrewYF

              “the difference is our injuries haven’t taken us out of the mix.”

              Right. It’s pretty impressive.

          • SFF

            Like when Ortiz missed the first 15 games of the season? Or when Victorino and Middlebrooks hit the 15 day DL? Or when Buchholz was accused of throwing spitballs? Or when Ellsbury missed the entire Yankees series with a groin injury? Or when Lester has a 5.68 ERA over his past 4 starts? Or when Bailey and Hanrahan were out and the Sox had to have Tazawa close?

            Nah. It’s all magic fairy dust. Everything has gone perfectly for the Sox.

  • vicki

    omigod. alex cobb, record an out already.

  • Kramerica Industries

    For fucks sake.

    Fuck this Red Sox team.

  • forensic

    Pedro Ciriaco DFA’d?

    It’s going to be annoying seeing him at SS in pinstripes in a couple days…

    • trr

      Think we might? I ‘ve had enough of Brignac

    • MannyGeee

      If he could do a sliver of what he’s done to the Yankees FOR the Yankees, then I would drive him down to the Bronx my self. Seriously I have a full tank of gas, a couple of Red Bulls and need to be in the office by 9am tomorrow. Lets do this shit

      • forensic

        Seriously I have a full tank of gas, a couple of Red Bulls and need to be in the office by 9am tomorrow.

        “It’s dark, and we’re wearing sunglasses.”

        Please tell me someone knows that reference…

        • Wheels

          Jake & Elwood Blues.

          • forensic

            Thank you. I was going to be very disappointed if no one knew that.

            • Pseudoyanks

              One of my all time favorites.

        • Dalek Jeter

          I wanna say ‘Blues Brothers’

        • vicki

          hit it.

        • Defensive Indifference

          You forgot “half a pack of cigarettes…”

          • forensic

            I was letting the Red Bull play the part of the cigarettes.

        • SDB

          It’s a mission from God.

    • thegenius

      Adams isn’t hitting.

  • forensic

    So glad I started Cobb on my team tonight…

    • trr

      So did I, Forensic, you don’t stand alone

      • vicki

        lie down with dogs….

        • trr

          ….you get up with trr

    • Wheels

      Holy crap, Cobb. Has a pitcher ever been pulled from a game before recording an out?

      • trr

        Sure.

  • Troll

    Single, Double, Single, Walk, Double, Single, Double, Single . . . Red Sox are good . . .

  • Dalek Jeter

    I’m totally rooting for the Sox to hang 10 on Cobb, but lose the game 11-10 because he’s on my fantasy opponent’s team.

    • trr

      Have u infiltrated my private league, Dalek?

      My fantasy BB teams always do well, but this year everything I do turns to shit.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Hahaha, nope. My fantasy season has been a whole lot of shit too. To put in perspective what I mean, I drafted Hamilton, Gallardo, Castro, Cueto, Headley, and V-Mart. All of which I expected to be big contributors, and all of which spent the season hurt or terrible.

        • trr

          Man, it happens…

        • MannyGeee

          And all that BEFORE I gave you an Obama sized bailout on Hamilton…

          • Dalek Jeter

            That combined with my Didi Gregorious pick up will get me to .500 by the seasons end (as well as Puig and Corbin)

  • forensic

    “WHIP = INF”

    I’m guessing it’s not good when a pitcher on your fantasy team has this next to his name.

    • trr

      On mine it says ” Fuck you and Forensic!”

    • Dalek Jeter

      Hey man it’s only Monday, a 54.00 ERA and a 8.00 WHIP can’t be that hard to overcome =P

      • forensic

        heh, I just need Gallardo to throw a shutout against the Marlins to help even it out a little.

        • Dalek Jeter

          I have Gallardo as well, next to Hamilton he is by far my biggest disappointment on the season.

      • trr

        (Banging head on table)

  • trr

    I will say this: the Yanks are still undefeated on Yankees Classics!

  • trr

    2001 WS game 5 Mr November

    • vicki

      fucking glorious. but i can’t watch those games without considering context. too many feelings.

      • WhittakerWalt

        I can’t watch those games without being amazed at how bad we hit. David Justice was frightful to behold.

      • trr

        I get that

  • Wheels

    Darn, the Rays had a chance there.

  • forensic

    Who is this in the booth with Orsillo tonight? He makes Flaherty sound entertaining…

    • Dalek Jeter

      Surely you cannot be serious?

      (this joke works much better in person)

      • forensic

        “I am serious.

        And don’t call me Shirley.”

        Geez, I must be on an 80’s movie clip for some reason.

        • King Charles The Great

          *slow clap* Leslie Nielsen!

  • Dalek Jeter

    Miggy already has 17HRs and 67RBIs?! Jeez…it’s Miguel Cabrera’s league and everybody else is just playing in it.

    • WhittakerWalt

      I’ve been feeling really dumb for all the “Mike Trout’s the real MVP” arguments I got in last year.

      • Dalek Jeter

        He was last season, IMO, but this season without question the best hitter in the world is Miguel Cabrera.

        • vicki

          except that he was.

          • vicki

            meant to reply to ww.

        • WhittakerWalt

          I know it’s still a sound argument, but imagine how much my friends who are Tigers fans are gloating now.

    • forensic

      Time to increase those numbers again.

  • forensic

    Bases loaded, no outs, and the Rays only get one run out of it?

    Sounds like they’re trying to take a page out of the Yankees book.

    • Wheels

      Ha, was about to post the exact same thing.

  • sevrox

    Did Gene Monahan slather ‘IcyHot’ all over Roger’s testacles prior to this start?

    • forensic

      I could’ve done without seeing that line ever again in my life.

  • thegenius

    Pedro Ciriaco is available.

    Sign him and demote Adams. Now.

  • Wheels

    And the benches clear at the Trop. Kinda tame though.

    • forensic

      Boston catchers sure are good at getting in peoples faces while keeping on all their gear and masks. They’re real tough guys…

      • Wheels

        I’ve noticed that…

        • Bo Knows

          You know what they say “Bitches don’t get stitches because they’re hidin in ditches”

    • Tom

      In case folks forgot Lackey is an asshole, he fortunately reminds people rather frequently.

      Joyce hit a HR off him in the first, hit another bomb on a 3-0 pitch next time up that was foul and apparently Lackey was upset with the way he dropped the bat after he hit it. He then yells at him after the AB is over and then drills him in the back next time up 2 out, noone on.

      Should be an obvious suspension – there is ZERO question it was intentional, but of course Torre will do nothing (or just issue a small fine)

      • forensic

        And Saltalamacchia made it worse by not just getting between Joyce and Lackey, but basically shoving Joyce too. Wouldn’t have been so bad if he hadn’t done that to push it over the top.

        • Tom

          Yeah – Salty shouldn’t have pushed him, but he has to get in the way because everyone and their brother know it was intentional. Shoving a guy wearing full gear is a bitch move though.

          It is somewhat ironic that a team that has David Ortiz on it, takes umbrage to someone styling after a well hit ball.

          • WhittakerWalt

            After that scumbag display from Ortiz after the homer he hit off Kuroda, you’d think they would just shut the fuck up.
            Maybe someone told Salty that Joyce was part Mexican, and he got all riled.
            Meanwhile Awesome O’Clock is dumping his cancer-ridden wife, so it’s all good.

  • http://e Darren

    Anyone watching Game 5? Could Soriano have let that liner drop in order to turn a double play?

    Also, Jesus it’s nice to see the stands behind the plate filled and eveyrone standing up.

    And finally you guys, bankruptcy’s not the end, it’s a new beginning.

  • Josh

    A Cubs SS prospect has 4 homers so far tonight. Pretty crazy.

  • forensic

    Fog delay between the White Sox and Blue Jays. You could barely see the OF from the camera behind homeplate.

    • Pseudoyanks

      Yeah, FOG is really bad here right now. IT was worse a little earlier. Can’t imagine O’Hare is a fun place to be right now.

  • The Doctor

    Someone please remind James Loney that he’s James Loney… After he’s done beating up on the Red Sox anyway.

    • vicki

      madden’s really limiting his plate appearances against lefties (although his numbers are weirdly good against them this season).

  • The Real Me

    So, does anyone know what the slot value is for draftees taken after the 10th round? A kid from our local HS got drafted by the Yankees in the 35th round. My daughter knows his sister. He probably won’t sign, but I was just wondering. Thanks.

    • forensic

      $100K.

  • The Real Me

    Not bad. Although if you’ve got scholarship to college and think you’ll improve, it’s probably better to wait. If not, then $100k is an awful lot of money for an 18 year old.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Rays tie the game on a wild pitch!

    • Wheels

      This is awesome.

  • forensic

    6 runs before making an out in the game, and now the Red Sox are tied.

    I feel so bad for them…

    • vicki

      you sound sincere.

  • SDB

    So if Rodney is pitching against the Red Sox, who do I root for? Against?

    • vicki

      obviously you root for being tied for first in the loss column. at least in a walk-off situation there are no fool theatrics on the mound.

      • Wheels

        Defintely.

    • Deathstroke Heathcott

      A natural disaster.

  • forensic

    Fernando Rodney sure does suck.

  • Wheels

    Fuck

  • acb

    I think a lot of people exaggerate how much ESPN loves Boston, but honestly they are going a bit overboard with this Dustin Pedroia praise right now.

  • Tom

    RA Dickey with yet another game of 6+ ER – that’s 5 out of 14 starts now.

    Who knows how D’Arnaud and Syndergaard will pan out, but that trade is looking almost as bad as the Reyes/Buehrle/Johnson trade (even though AA is a genius and he “stole” those guys from Miami)

  • SDB

    Is there really hope for a walk off?!

  • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

    This Rays-Sox game is crazy. Bottom 10th 8-7 Sox but bases loaded for the Rays. Wow.

  • Wheels

    It’s all tied up!

  • SDB

    Bases loaded walk!

  • Get Phelps Up

    And again I worship Mo.

  • vicki

    awesome at-bat, kelly johnson.

    • SDB

      not at all awesome at-bat, longo. bah.

      The ONE time I’m cheering for him…

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Seriously Longo?

  • Wheels

    Damn.

  • forensic

    Longoria sure blew that.

    And what a dumb move by Fuld (really, that goes back to Maddon PR’ing for Loney earlier for no good reason).

    • MannyGeee

      How dare you insinuate that Maddon is not a genius. A hex on you.

  • Tom

    Game might be over if Maddon didn’t brain fart in the top of the 10th.

    Why do managers concede a stolen base with first and 3rd and 2 out (and give up a second run on a single)? Never understood that.

    • The Doctor

      Probably worried Pedroia was set to go home and played it safe. After all, if they throw down to 2nd, literally all the guy on 1st has to do is slow down and give the guy time to score.

  • The Real Greg

    You can say that Pedroia gets schmoozed a lot by the media, but that was a fantastic play.

  • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

    Holy shit. Seriously. How does a team. Get out of bases loaded, no outs jam. UNREAL. Of course, it happens for the Sox. Any other team no chance of happening. Of course.

    • The Real Greg

      Didn’t David Robertson get out of that situation against the Twins in ’09 playoffs? Earned him the Houdini name?

      • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

        I’ll be honest, I definitely did not follow the Yanks back then like I did now. I wasn’t aware the name came from a specific moment, thanks.

        But I am seriously irked right now though. Frigin Sox.

        • Kevin

          Longo blew that one as well. You have the advantage and you go up there and hack away like that?

          • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

            Yeah he was swinging at some questionable pitches.

  • Kevin

    That’s one way to ruin a walk off.

  • Kevin

    Maddon blew that one in the top of the 10th. One by conceding a stolen base and two by not getting Rondey the heck out of there.

    • forensic

      He also conceded the first stolen base of 3rd base by Pedroia to set-up the later steal of 2nd base.

  • Bo Knows

    I don’t know how many of you are gamers but Sony has straight given me a gamerection, they announced Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy Versus (now titled FF 15)

    On top of that, they are not doing that “always on” bs that MS is doing.

    • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

      I’ve always been a big MS fan but they really seem like they have no clue this time. The stupid sharing policy, need to be online at least once a day, the price tag, etc.

      I hope PS4 does well to send a message. It sucks because I like a lot of Xbox titles, but I feel forced to buy PS4 right now.

      • Bo Knows

        I had both a PS3 and xbox 360. I’m not going to buy the the Xbox One, everything they’ve announced and talked about haven’t impressed me. So I do feel your troubles to a degree. Kingdom Hearts is one of my favorite games, I have been wanting that game for 7 years

        • I’mVernonI’mVernon4U

          All of my friends are flipping out about Kingdom Hearts. Never actually played but I remember watching and it looked pretty sweet. I’m mainly a Halo player but I’m super psyched for Star Wars Battlefront 3.

  • Nick

    The new stadium sure doesn’t sound like it used to at the old one. Although it was a big night with Clemens 300th and 4K, it was early june, place was filled even in the rain drops, and it was an electric night.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

    Eject the runt.

  • Wheels

    Take a seat, Pedroia.

  • Tom

    Someone call the whambulance… it was a marginal pitch, but that was not an egregiously bad call. He also even seemed a bit upset at the called strike 2 as well (which was a clear strike)

  • Kevin

    Rays deserve to lose this one. I will say it’s nice to see other teams that can blow chances to win games.

  • Kevin

    Rays lose…I hate the Sux and their luck.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Ultimately, we just need to win our games and win some head-to-heads. I like rooting against the Sox from a schadenfreude standpoint, but we just have to start taking it to them. And the Rays can also go fuck themselves.

  • vicki

    brandon league blew another kershaw outing. he should be whipped.

    seriously. praise be to mo.

    • forensic

      After three not quite Kershaw level starts, he finally has a better one and that happens.

      Really, you have to question why Mattingly is PH’ing for him with one out in the 7th when he’s only at 99 pitches and already has a 3-1 lead. The possibility of him finishing that game himself was certainly there.

  • forensic

    I’m not too excited about this years World Series being that there will be two 27-36 teams in it. Plus, we already know who’s going to win…

    • vicki

      be fair to the dodgers. they have $90M on the dl, and hanley and greinkles did some time on it too.

      but tonight’s game was their season in a nutshell. blown save top of the 9th; tying run at third, nobody out, stranded there in the bottom. they are godawful with risp. the worst.

      though they do have the great brown hope in right field now.

      • forensic

        I thought that was some hyperbole about their performance with RISP, but nope, you’re right they are the worst.

        .624 OPS with RISP. Dead last in the Majors. Yikes!