Jun
25

Williams & Sanchez homer in Tampa win

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LHP Francisco Rondon has been sent back down to Double-A Trenton, according to Josh Norris. The Thunder have six southpaws in their bullpen now.

Triple-A Scranton (5-0 win over Syracuse)

  • CF Corey Patterson: 1-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K — threw a runner out at third
  • C J.R. Murphy: 1-4, 1 2B, 1 BB, 1 K — 13-for-33 (.394) with three doubles, two homers, four walks, and four strikeouts in his last nine games
  • RF Fernando Martinez: 3-5, 1 2B, 2 RBI
  • LF Thomas Neal: 1-4, 1 K
  • RHP Jose Ramirez: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 6/3 GB/FB — 37 of 63 pitches were strikes (59%) … easily his best outing at this level
  • RHP Yoshinori Tateyama: 2 IP, zeroes, 3 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 18 of 23 pitches were strikes (78%)

Double-A Trenton (4-0 win over Erie)

  • CF Slade Heathcott: 1-4, 1 R
  • RF Tyler Austin: 1-3, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K
  • DH Andrew Clark: 3-4, 2 R, 2 HR, 2 RBI – he’s done nothing but mash since signing last week
  • RHP Michael Pineda: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 9/3 GB/FB — 53 of 78 pitches were strikes (68%) … had more on him earlier
  • LHP Francisco Rondon: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 WP, 2/2 GB/FB — 26 of 41 pitches were strikes (63%) … 12 strikeouts in his last 6.1 innings at this level

High-A Tampa (10-3 win over Clearwater) game was completed a few outs early due to rain

  • CF Mason Williams: 3-5, 3 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 SB — 14 hits in his last 36 at-bats (.389), so hopefully he’s turning it around
  • 2B Rob Refsnyder: 2-4, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 1 K
  • LF Ben Gamel: 2-5, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 2 K
  • C Gary Sanchez: 3-6, 2 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 1 E (catcher interference) — second homer in as many days
  • DH Peter O’Brien: 1-4, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 BB, 2 K
  • RHP Charley Short: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K, 1/3 GB/FB — 52/7 K/BB in 33.1 innings

Low-A Charleston (9-1 loss to Greenville)

  • CF Jake Cave: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 K, 1 SB
  • SS Cito Culver: 1-4, 1 K, 1 SB
  • DH Greg Bird: 1-2, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 1 K — 51 walks in 68 games (16.8 BB%)
  • 3B Dante Bichette Jr.: 0-4, 2 K, 1 E (throwing) — hitting .204/.285/.289 this year after hitting .248/.322/.331 last year, at the same level
  • 2B Angelo Gumbs: 1-4, 1 2B, 1 CS
  • LHP Evan Rutckyj: 3.1 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 5 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 6/0 GB/FB — 49 of 89 pitches were strikes (55%) … worst outing in a while, he’s been very good of late
  • RHP Adam Smith: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 1/0 GB/FB — 18 of 32 pitches were strikes (56%) … 25th rounder in 2011 started pitching full time last year and has a nice little 21/5 K/BB in 21 innings this season

Short Season Staten Island‘s game was suspended not because of rain, but because the power went out in the stadium. They played four and and half innings before the lights went out. Not sure when they will complete the game, but there will be plenty of chances. Here’s the box score.

Rookie GCL Yanks1 (9-5 win over GCL Phillies)

  • SS Tyler Wade: 2-3, 3 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K, 1 HBP, 1 SB — left the game after being hit by a pitch in the sixth, though he did stay in to run the bases
  • 2B Gosuke Katoh: 3-5, 1 R, 1 2B — first multi-hit game, also his first non-homer base hits
  • DH Chris Breen: 2-5, 2 R, 2 2B, 3 RBI
  • RF Austin Aune: 2-5, 1 R, 2 K — 4-for-16 (.250) with eight strikeouts so far
  • 3B Chris Tamarez: 2-5, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 E (fielding)
  • RHP Hayden Sharp: 5 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 1 WP, 4/1 GB/FB — third year at the level, so maybe he is on the LHP Nik Turley path as another tall and raw high school arm
  • RHP Taylor Morton: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2/1 GB/FB

Rookie GCL Yanks2 (7-1 win over GCL Braves)

  • CF Adonis Garcia: 2-4 — played seven innings as he works his way back from the broken wrist
  • LF Nathan Mikolas: 2-4, 2 R, 1 SB
  • RHP David Herndon: 1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0/1 GB/FB — second appearance for the Tommy John surgery rehabber
  • LHP Rony Bautista: 5 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 8 K, 1 WP, 1 HB, 5/2 GB/FB — dominant outing for the 6-foot-7, 200-pound 21-year-old
Categories : Down on the Farm
  • Robinson Tilapia

    Nice night in the minors too.

    • Paco Dooley

      All except DBJ, who looks like toast. Not sure how you can redo the same level at his age and look so much worse – not like the pitchers are really learning your approach given the number of players moving through the level and the fact that the best ones are likely to move up quickly.

      • OhioYanks

        I have no idea why he’s doing worse in 2013 than 2012, but it would be the coaches rather than the Ps who would likely identify the holes in his swing and weaknesses in his approach at that level. And the coaches who usually call the pitches at that level. Doubt that the turnover rate for coaches is very high, so that is one possibility.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Paco,

        Please don’t attach your nightly DBJ complaint to my comments. Thank you.

        See how easy that is, folks? That’s practially a binding contract.

  • HTD

    Any recent scouting reports on Jose Ramirez? Last I read scouts pegged him more as a RP long-term. Love seeing him be successful in AAA (albeit what, 3 starts?), I’ve had a prospect crush on him since he was at Charleston.

    • phil

      pencil Ramirez in the 2014 rotation? cervilli/murphy catching combo in 2014?

    • phil

      pencil Ramirez in the 2014 rotation? Cervilli/ murphy 2014 catching combo?

      • pat

        I’d be hesitant to even pencil him into the 2015 rotation. His current season high for innings is 115 and he seems unlikely to surpass that by much if any this year which would put him in line for 140 or 150 next. They’re not gonna fuck up again and put a young prospect in the MLB rotation who is on an innings limit.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          ….or they’d try a different system, or the Joba Rules had nothing to do with why Joba hasn’t lived up to potential.

          I’d say he gets a long look in 2014 ST but, yeah, 2015 would be his year.

        • OhioYanks

          Not penciling him into any rotation spots, but the guy is going to be 24 next season. Innings limits are in part about tendons still maturing. Not going to be a huge issue with a 24 year old. He may start out in the pen (and may end up there long-term), but I think that Ramirez will get a chance in the rotation at some point fairly soon if he handles AAA.

          I’m also not sure why people are still mystified about Joba. Guy is not even a decent RP. We can’t say for sure how he would have turned out in a different situation, but guy has done nothing at all for years to make the Yankees look bad for putting him in the pen. Doubt the Yankees view that as the mistake that many fans do.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            Yeah, if anything the issue has been that he ruined his shoulder that night in Texas.

        • Bo Knows

          Ramirez is going to get at least 130 innings this year, he threw 103 last year, if the yankees only increase workloads by 15 or so innings they’ll never get a starter out.

          Also, can we please drop this mess with Joba? Yes the Yankees made mistakes but its a two way street. Joba has done jack shit in the past 3 years to show he deserved a shot at going back in the rotation.

        • Greg

          Kill this Joba thing with fire.

          His “failures” have absolutely nothing to do with anything the Yankees did. He got hurt, and he lost it. Bad luck and bad arm, it happens, and it sure as shit wasn’t because the Yankees pulled him early in a few starts. The idea that putting a ML pitcher on an innings limit will destroy his career is so stupid I can’t even believe I’m still reading it.

          If he pitches well, he’ll be up in mid-2014

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            Regarding Joba, & w/all due respect, I think you’re all full of sh*t!!! The Yankees are indeed responsible for screwing up his development which basically robbed him of his chance to have a long and productive career as a starter in MLB and contributed greatly to his hurting his arm in 2008. After drafting and signing him in 2006 and then only pitching in winter ball, come 2007 Chamberlain was rushed through the entire system and brought to NY as an overhyped superman/savior/phenom in August, just in time for the Joba rules and the mosquitos of Cleveland. In 2008, he starts the year as a reliever, then is starting by June, & of course, hurts his shoulder & is done for the year in August of ’08 — one year after they initially brought him up.

            Chamberlain never had the time to really learn his craft or get his pitching “legs” under him. This was a kid w/a an explosive arm and power, but he needed to learn a third pitch, & he needed to pitch in a regular rotation for a season or more & let his body adapt to becoming a professional starting pitcher. The Yankees saw his big arm & exploited it early, & then never made it up to him by giving him the chance to mature in a controlled environment as a starting pitcher in the minor leagues. Rather, they continued to throw him into the meat grinder of a major league season where he was expected to begin as a relief pitcher and then become a starting pitcher on the fly, in a pennant race, & right before our very eyes. The rest, as they say, is history — & you can look it up.

            At this point, Joba really needs to start over somewhere & get the chance to either relieve on a regular basis away from the expectations and bad karma he’s had here in NY, or maybe even be given the chance to go somewhere where he could try and develop an extra pitch and maybe try starting again, even if it would mean returning to the minor leagues once again to accomplish that. The Yankees had a lot to do w/Joba hurting his arm back in ’08, and they basically stunted his pitching growth and ruined the possibility that he could become a special pitcher. The Yankees can and will turn the page. Unfortunately for Joba, he’s gotta live w/it as best he can. I hope he stays healthy, gets a good deal from some team in the off-season — regardless of whether he’s dealt in the meantime, & salvages what could still be, in the end, a very solid big-league career.

            • Greg

              That’s all narrative and no facts. Chamberlain was a ML quality pitcher from the word go in the minors. He was a great starter in 2008 and then he hurt his shoulder and never threw anything near the same stuff after that, and he was never anything other than a starter until they broke him in as a reliever in 2007. People didn’t start whining about Rules til after he was already donezo. Teams do just what the Yankees did all the time, and the notion that but for that he’d still be the guy he was is pure post hoc ergo propter hoc nonsense.

              • Wolfgang’s Fault

                Actually, it’s all facts, & yours is the opinion. He was never stretched out over a long enough period of time to expect that he’d be injury free once they moved him from the bullpen to the starting rotation during the 2008 season. The dude was barely a year out of college in ’07 & he’s in the major leagues — w/the Yankees — in a pennant race — and he’s the savior too? Please.

                This club was committed to Hughes being a starter and they made up their minds early that Chamberlain’s electric arm could be exploited right away — full speed ahead — damn the torpedos. Based on his ability alone, Chamberlain should have been afforded the time and opportunity to learn his craft, command a third pitch, & start regularly in the minor leagues for a year or more before seriously entertaining the idea he was ready for the show, & only then w/a defined consensus of how he would be utilized.

                It was the Yankees job to develop him and exercise some care & caution w/regard to his chance at a bright future. A future I might add that would not only have benefited Joba but the NY Yankees as well. Instead, they were seriously negligent w/him, and the results of that & their hastiness speaks for itself. You can spout your drivel to anyone willing to read or listen to it, but in the end, its just what it sounds like, meaningless drivel.

                • Greg

                  Basically all of that was narrative and platitude. I don’t have my chart handy, what’s the effect of hype, saviordom, pennant races, promotion frequency, and not having a good changeup on the likelihood of shoulder injuries? How about having been in college recently? Pure, pure, nonsense, and obviously built entirely on hindsight. This is sports talk radio shit you’re talking about here, not anything serious or reasoned.

                  And again…he was ready for the show basically immediately, no MiLB hitters were going to offer the slightest challenge to him as he was in 2007 and 2008. You’re advocating (in hindsight, of course) leaving an obviously ML caliber pitcher – to say the least – to rot on the vine in the minors…why, again? Oh that’s right, because they didn’t actually do it, and then he got hurt, therefore he got hurt because they didn’t do it. On top of being misinformed about this topic, baseball generally, and even just basic logic, you seem genuinely stupid, that or 12 or something. Your efforts to insult me would be funny, but I’m too easily embarrassed for others.

                • edb

                  Joba did nothing after 2007 but get fatter. Should we blame the development of his waistline on the Joba rules too? Overrated bullpen prospect that had a Kerry wood debut (yanks version). Makeup matters too people.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  NO! NO! DONKEY!

            • OhioYanks

              This has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever read on this site. You don’t even seem to know what happened (see last paragraph).

              You are arguing that in 7 years he hasn’t had the time to learn how to pitch. I know you’re saying that he didn’t have time at first, but the issue is that it’s been 7 years now and he still hasn’t made any progress. At some point a player has to want to get better. Your point that he didn’t learn up front says nothing about why he hasn’t been the first one at the stadium every day since bothering all of the coaches until they taught him everything they know about pitching. If you want to be one of the best in the world at something valuable that is the kind of dedication you need.

              You are arguing that a P cannot go from college to MLB in a short period because he’s not stretched out. Yet it happens with some regularity and the results are usually fine. Guys like Tim Lincecum and Trevor Bauer have done it without having to move to the pen. Some for a few years, others for a few games.

              You are arguing that coming out of the pen is bad for a SP, and there is just no evidence of that. Tons of SPs started their careers coming out of the pen.

              To top it off you are arguing that hurting his shoulder diving out of the way of a throw-down is the Yankees fault. You know that’s how he hurt his arm, right? My guess is that you are too young to actually remember that if you are blaming the arm injury on his development path. It was a freak thing, or at worst it was Pudge Rodriguez’s ego not caring about who was in the way of his throw (this was a guy known for calling FBs to pad his CS #s).

            • jsbrendog

              joba only fell to the yankees due to …..injury concerns!!! so yeah, he wasn’t exactly a durable bastion of health. so you can’t say the yankees had anything to do with him getting hurt since he already was in possession of an injury history that scared other teams off.

              “Performance: Chamberlain does not have an Ian Kennedy resume. He played for one year for a Division II college, weighing close to 290 pounds. He had a strong fastball but not much else, posting an ERA ove 5.00. He transfered to Nebraska, and set about improving his weight. The results were excellent, and he pitched 118.2 innings of of 2.81 ERA ball. He struck out 130 while walking just 33 and allowing just 7 home runs. He entered 2006 as a top-5 pitching prospect in the draft, but a triceps injury scared a lot of people away. His performance suffered early on, although he would eventually recovery and end the season well. He pitched 89.1 innings of 3.93 ERA ball, striking out 102 and walking 34. He allowed 8 home runs. The injury scared scared off a lot of people, causing Chamberlain to sink to the Yankees at the 41st pick. He signed late, preventing him from pitching in Staten Island. Instead, the Yankees sent him to Hawaii, where he blossomed. He pitched 37.2 innings of 2.63 ERA ball, posting that mind blowing strikeout to walk ratio of 46:3. The hitting competition wasn’t great in Hawaii, but those numbers are beyond insane. Chamberlain was clearly the best pitcher in the state.”

              Health: Chamberlain has two primary health concerns. First, he has weight problems. He used to be downright fat. He weighted over 280 pounds, with some claiming he was closer to 300. He had all sorts of knee and muscle problems throughout his early college career. However, someone must have lit a fire under his fat ass because he lost over 50 pounds and began pitching like an ace. The knee problems have gone away, but his triceps started to act up at the begining of this year. The injury hurt his velocity and his control, and as a result all of his numbers dipped. It was enough to make teams shy away from his top-level stuff and let him fall to the Yankees at 41.

              there you go.

              http://allyankeeinfo.blogspot......e-ace.html

              • Wolfgang’s Fault

                Actually, the scouting report conclusively proves the Yankees were negligent w/him. They had a pitcher w/huge upside w/the potential to command four pitches and become the ace of the staff. Instead, they allowed their need for a bridge to Mo to dictate moving him through the system too quickly so that they could exploit that big fastball & slider he used to put away hitters. He was a huge success in that role, but he had the potential for much more than that.

                Once the ’07 season came to an end, they needed to say no to themselves and allow him to develop as a starting pitcher. As a reliever, all they wanted him to throw was the heater & slider. As a starter, he’d have to develop his full arsenal of pitches and learn how to get through a lineup three times in a game. Big-time baseball “men” such as yourselves know It takes different tools to be successful in these two different roles. You just don’t do it over night. Since he already had a history of health issues, they needed to protect him for his own good. They chose to get the short term benefits & worry about the long-term results if and when they confronted them.

                As a reliever, Joba only needed the two power pitches and they certainly wouldn’t want him getting beat w/his third or fourth best pitch, so he didn’t throw them & wouldn’t need to work and develop them in the role he was being used in. He wouldn’t have to work on the finesse side of pitching, just throw as hard as he could for as long as he could as he already commanded those two pitches. They screwed him over, & being a kid in over his head, he and his dad willingly went along w/the program, ’cause after-all, the Yankees knew what was best for him.

                Had they used him as a starter beginning in ’08 and if he struggled, as he did & should have, they could have sent him down & away from all the pressure, and patiently permitted him the time & instruction to allow him to work on growing into his potential. It was on the Yankee “brain trust” that they didn’t have anyone else they could slot into the bullpen to serve as that “bridge” to Mo, and as a result, it was Joba who was elected to step up. For the time being, at least, his career is basically in the crapper. If he’s only half as successful at resurrecting his career as you guys are at talking bs, he could still have a pretty good career.

            • Jim Is Bored

              “With all due respect” followed by an insult is probably the dumbest english convention that exists right now.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                On the other hand, it is one of the funniest parts of Talladega Nights.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  Also true.

        • pat

          I honestly don’t give a shit about Joba Chamberlain. The point is they’re not going to pencil
          him into the rotation out of ST having only hit a career high in innings the year before at about 120 130 innings. Mid season call up/ spot starter/ long man/Scranton shuttle, sure, absolutely. Penciled into the rotation out of ST? No chance. Not these Yankees.

          • Greg

            These Yankees? Which Yankees would? Which MLB team would?

            The top 4 (maybe 5) will presumably be CC, at least two of Hughes/Kuroda/Pineda/FA, and Phelps, and then there’s Nova and Warren in the mix too. What are the odds that Ramirez is obviously one of the 5 best starters in the organization by opening day?

          • OhioYanks

            How about we wait to see how he actually does at AAA over a reasonable sample and how the rest of the 2014 rotation takes shape before deciding who is and isn’t penciled in?

            What’s the rush and what does the “these Yankees” comment even mean?

  • trr

    Nice line for Jose Ramirez

  • Different Josh

    Slade was robbed of a homer. Good night for the prospects. Any idea why Clark was released? I looked at his stats, and he’s pretty much mashed at every level.

    • D23

      Not saying Clark is like Chris Davis but could be a late bloomer like him. I think the Yanks made a very wised pick up on him and is my sleeper for this year. Why he was released is interesting because he wasn’t all that bad except the year he was released. Look for him in SWB in the next month.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        I’m pretty sure i read that Clark retired last year. Obviously he retired on his retirement.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Slade was robbed of a homer, but he came back and robbed one of his own on defense.

  • Robert

    I see Michael O’Neill left the SI Yank game early was he injured ?

    • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

      Water cooler hit back.

      • Pat D

        You win.

  • Mickey Scheister

    Murphy just keeps hitting, if he hits .350 with some pop in AAA for a while longer he’ll force himself on the big league roster. I know developmentally he needs more time but dude has been raking!

    • pat

      Please no.

      • emac2

        What has you so convinced that it takes a full year for a player to master a level and move on? You have to realize that people are all different if nothing else.

        I think you’ve been traumatized by a bunch of non prospects that never developed as you hoped and decided that it’s somehow the teachers fault for treating them like professionals instead of developmentally impaired children.

        • pat

          Sample size and literally generations of data to compare it against. Kid’s about 60 games removed from hitting .248/.316/.386 for a year between A and AA. .268/.352/.421 is definitely nice for a young C, but hardly masterful and unless some sort of unprecedented miracle occurred in the past week or so I doubt he’s going to maintain his 996 OPS going forward, and if he does what does it mean? Is he in the .001% of ball players who seemingly flipped a switch one day and figured it all out and are able to walk into MLB with little experience in the high minors? Or is it more likely he has definitely improved as a player since his 702 OPS last year but is on a bit of a prolonged hot streak (and BABIP spike) that has corresponded with his move to Scranton?

          • OhioYanks

            He can be an upgrade for the Yankees C situation without being a true talent 1.000 OPS hitter in AAA. I am not as low on their Cs as others, but a solid hitter would still be an offensive and possibly overall upgrade. Obviously defensive factors come into play in a big way, but Stewart is a career .596 OPS guy and Romine was a low-.700s OPS guy in AA not that long ago himself.

            “Mastering a level,” or at least being capable of being called up for a spell, isn’t just about performance.

            • I’m not the droids you’re looking for…

              Interesting that you cite Romine’s line in AA of not that long ago. It’s the same-ish as Murphy’s of not that long ago. I get your point, but obviously Murphy can go in either direction, including becoming another Romine in MLB.

              • OhioYanks

                Yeah, I was never saying that Murphy is the solution, is ready, should be called up… I agreed with a point that if he continues to impress maybe he’s an option.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          It’s more the fact that his 45 PA in AAA is evidence of exactly nothing more than the fact that he’s been hot for those 45 PA.

          • OhioYanks

            The only point being made is that it works both ways. His hot AAA start isn’t evidence that he is ready, but only being in AAA a short time also isn’t evidence that he’s not ready. I may be wrong, but I don’t think a single person here has unconditionally advocated calling Murphy up. The only comments that I’ve seen are conditioned upon him continuing to hit for an undefined period going forward or being deemed ready by the organization.

            You, pat, Bo, etc. seem to be largely tilting at windmills.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              It’s more that any suggestion to call him up is an overreaction to a small sample size. His OPSing 1.000 through 45 PA doesn’t mean anything more than if he was OPSing .400 through 45 PA, but people react to it by saying “Hey, we should call him up if he keeps this up.”

              • OhioYanks

                No. Saying that they might call him up at some point in the future if he continues to impress is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. He was impressing in AA as well, so this is not as small a sample as you are making it out to be.

                • Cool Lester Smooth

                  A kid with a 115 wRC+ at AA is not ready for the majors, especially when he’s not done developing defensively.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      2014, dude. 2014.

      Would love to see him win a 40-man slot and some ABs in September, though.

    • OhioYanks

      Agree with you. If he’s a better option than the guys they have on the MLB roster, bring him up.

      I don’t know that guys need AAA developmentally. Plenty of top prospects skip AAA and other levels. I don’t know if Murphy is MLB ready, but I don’t think getting an MLB taste now is going to kill his development if the Yankees feel he’s at least an upgrade.

      • Bo Knows

        No just no, first off he wouldn’t get much play time because Girardi always leans towards those with more experience as the starter. It’s not in Murphy’s best interest to be in the big league’s he needs to be getting regular at bats in AAA. Also he is a young catcher, he has a ton of other duties than just hitting and is something he needs to refine. Leave him alone this year, it’s only been 12 games. He keeps hitting at this clip, let him fight for the starting job next year.

        • OhioYanks

          Stop, just stop. I said that if he’s a better option than what they have they should bring him up. Do you read the English? That implies both that he will play and that he is good enough at those other things to play. No one said bring him up tomorrow whether he’s ready or not. Not all prospects develop in some magical straight-line fashion. Different guys are ready for different challenges at different times.

          None of what you said seems to be substantiated in any way besides the old “because I say so” logic. Either substantiate it with some evidence or we have nothing to talk about. I can list plenty of players, including Cs, who skipped levels, including AAA, and did fine. I can list guys who came up for brief cameos and did fine. If getting called up totally ruins a prospect’s mental development it’s probably hard to argue that he had the mental fortitude to make it anyway.

          • Bo Knows

            When pray tell did I say “because I said so?” PLEASE point that out to me?

            I am fully aware that not all prospects develop the same but their is a reason only a handful of catchers in the entire history of the fucking MLB has been given the starting job at 22 or younger. Catching is hard, asking Murphy to make that jump in competition while also trying to learn a completely new staff is asking too much for on the fly training. Also we know Girardi’s habits, he puts a ton of emphasis on the catcher familiarity, and veteran status, that’s not opinion that is fact. Let Murphy hone his craft, there is no rush.

            • OhioYanks

              Again, no one asked him to do anything. For the third time now, if he’s better than what they have. What do I have to do to make you understand what I am saying?

              “Also we know Girardi’s habits, he puts a ton of emphasis on the catcher familiarity, and veteran status, that’s not opinion that is fact.”

              No, that’s an opinion. This whole familiarity thing just became a meme in the last few weeks because of Romine. Like with Joba, maybe there is a reason that the Yankees didn’t give Romine more rope. He certainly hasn’t done anything in MLB to earn it. As much as fans hate Stewart, he appears to be better right now than Romine and has been passable overall.

              “Let Murphy hone his craft, there is no rush.”

              Again, no one is rushing him. There’s also no reason to sit on a prospect if he’s better than what you have in MLB. Newman has made it very clear over and over again that guys make it to AAA only if they are ready to step in to MLB in some role. This is something he has actually been quoted saying over and over.

              • Bo Knows

                Your exact words:

                “If he’s a better option than the guys they have on the MLB roster, bring him up.”

                Everything I’ve typed is a response to why he shouldn’t be brought up, that is what I’m saying. He very well might be better than Romine (honestly, I’m certain of it because I was never that high on Romine) my point is that Murphy has far more important things that he should be focusing on. Murphy made it to AAA because he is close to being ready, emphasis on “close.” I will say this for the 3rd time, as a catcher he still has some refining to do, AAA will give him exposure to many things that he will experience in the MLB. Its been twelve games, he has hit well so far at the level but it needs to be seen if this is sustainable ability or just a hot streak.

                • OhioYanks

                  Again, I didn’t say to bring him up after 12 games. I said that at such time as the Yankees feel that he is better than Stewart and Romine, at which time they presumably feel that he is MLB ready since they feel that both of those two are, then bring him up.

                  Hope that clarifies things for you so that you can stop making ridiculous comments that don’t actually address my comments.

                  And how many times have you at least watched him play this season if not talked to his coaches to be talking about what he is working on? Care to share what he is working on specifically? Or is that just a guess you pulled out of your ass? Because that’s what is sounds like.

                  • Cool Lester Smooth

                    Maybe he was referring to the fact that when JD Sussman from Fangraphs and Bullpen Banter talked to a bunch of scouts at a Thunder game, they weren’t sure he could stick at catcher:

                    https://twitter.com/JDSussman/status/335562349601759232

                    • OhioYanks

                      If I find a scout who says that he is ready enough to be better than Stewart/Romine, do you then change your opinion 180 degrees?

                    • Cool Lester Smooth

                      No, because I care more about Murphy’s long-term development than I do getting a quick fix at catcher. No one thinks he’s ready for the majors, and it would be stupid to rush him for some marginal improvement.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              Yeah, it’s not a pleasant sensation when someone just shoves words into your mouth without asking.

              I expect dinner and a movie first, myself.

              • OhioYanks

                In no way was I shoving words into his mouth. You might want to look into what that expression means. I was describing his logic.

          • emac2

            Thank you for having a clue!

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          Ditto and the guy below you can blow chunks out his asschute. No way Murphy comes to NY, learns the pitchers he’ll have to catch and the hitters he’ll have to know how to have his pitchers get out and do it during a pennant race in in the Bronx & not have it screw him over. Let Murphy have the development time Romine hasn’t gotten due to his back injury & poor planning in the Yankee front office. I realize Romine hasn’t hit a lick, but so far, he looks like a pretty damn good catcher to me. I wouldn’t be so quick to write Romine off as a quality backstop, & I would be extremely reticent to let Murphy advance more than the one level he already has this year. Let him focus on and absorb what he’s doing w/Scranton and we’ll get out chance to see Murphy at the best possible time: when he’s ready, and please, not before!!!

          • OhioYanks

            Seriously dude? First Joba diving out of the way of a throw down is the Yankees fault, now I can “blow chunks out my asschute” because he shouldn’t be called up until he’s ready when my whole fucking comment was that if he’s ready they should call him up?

            Words cannot even describe the comments you have made on this thread…

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Was the asschute installed surgically? Did it hurt?

              • Wolfgang’s Fault

                It seems to become active whenever he feels the need to express himself.

            • Wolfgang’s Fault

              No, your good w/words. It’s your temperament that pretty much sucks!

  • Different Josh

    Also good to see Mason finally homer, and Sanchez keep up the power. Already 12 homers.

    • nycsportzfan

      These are the nights that make it all worth while. 4 homers and a walk off win for the big boys and a ton of juicy nuggets to check out down on the farm. Austin, Gamel,Refsnyder, Pineda,Gatoh, Sanchez, Williams, Adam Smith, Rony Bautista, Bird, O’Brien, Andrew Clark, Katoh, Adonis Garcia.etc all doing big things tonight!

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      LOL at “already 12 homers”

  • Danny

    Rumbelow signed for 100K according to Levine-Flandrup

  • pat

    Bautista is too good for GCL. He’s gonna light it up. Would have liked to see him start in SI, unless the plan is a couple starts against live hitters at the Tampa complex then a bump to Charleston for the rest of the year. Very high ceiling.

    • http://deleted Richard Leo

      any details about his stuff?

      • pat

        Not from this particular game, but in general he is a monstrous LHP (6’7″ 200lbs) who could crank it up to 97 when he first signed. If you look at his DSL #’s from his first season you’ll see hit had almost no idea where the ball was going most of the time. Yanks had him reign it in last year and focus on bis mechanics more and now he sits in the 89-92 range but with much better control. He can spin a curve well and has the feel for a good change but both obviously need a lot of work. Should be a fun kid to follow for the rest of the summer, especially when we start hearing reports from scouts down in the area.

        • http://deleted Richard Leo

          if he can regain the velocity along with the improved control,that will be great.

          • pat

            For sure, but we at least know the ability is there. The hard part is turning it in actual baseball skill.

  • nycsportzfan

    Adam Smith doing his thing. Also Ty Austin has been raking lately. Obviously the best part of the minors tonight is Ramirez and Pinedas starts, but overall alot of goodies to digest tonight.

  • http://deleted Richard Leo

    Rob Refsnyder is hitting very well at High-A,hope his denfense is improving

  • nycsportzfan

    Refsnyder fucking raking!!!!!

  • gageagainstthemachine

    When the heck do we get to start saying, “Here come the Judge…here come the Judge!!” ?!?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Really looking forward to that. There’s money over slot to sign him. Have to think it’s only a matter of time.

      • OhioYanks

        I hope that they don’t have to go over-slot and save the money to go after late signability guys.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          I actually agree w/this.

          • OhioYanks

            I am surprised that you both know what slot value is and can comprehend my comment. Both knowing anything about baseball and how to read English have seemed to be a huge issue for you on this thread.

            • jsbrendog

              dude, you’re a douchebag

              • OhioYanks

                Pot calling the kettle black… You went through an entire thread telling everyone that disagreed with you on Phil Hughes about how your opinion was fact. You don’t seem to be able to differentiate between opinions and facts, or to be able to tolerate that other people might have opinions that differ from your own.

                Read through the thread and you might understand my comment to Wolfgang better. Guy went on for thousands of words about how Joba’s throw-down dive shoulder injury was the Yankees’ fault and then told me to “blow chunks out my asschute” because he didn’t understand my point. He literally ended up making the same point I had originally made there.

                Why don’t you mind your own fucking business instead of being the blog police?

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  This is like the point in pro wrestling where your tag team partner’s gone so berzerk he hits everyone in sight with a steel chair.

                  “BY GAWD, OHIOYANKS JUST STRUCK HOWARD FINKEL!”

  • Coolerking101

    Remember when it was a terrible idea to bump Ramirez to AAA? Maybe not so much anymore. ;)

    Slade, Williams and to a lesser extent Austin have been disappointing thus far, but Murphy, Refsnyder, Bird, and O’Brien have been nice surprises. Don’t really understand the benefit of keeping Sanchez in A ball. Can he not continue to work on his defense at AA where he might actually get challenged at the plate?

    • OhioYanks

      Haha, was thinking the same thing! One start doesn’t prove he’s ready, but a couple of bad ones doesn’t prove he wasn’t either. People need to actually watch these guys to intelligently discuss who is and isn’t ready.

      Williams is white hot lately, at least. Seems to be especially hot since he missed a few games. No idea if that’s coincidence or not.

      Sanchez is not really destroying High A even though he’s had a second year at the level. Just in the last two days has he actually improved on his output from last season at High A. Getting promoted is about skill development, though, rather than just performance. Yankees have said that they aren’t even looking at stats until AA or something.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      From what Mike posted a week or two ago, want him to get experience catching guys like De Paula, Black, Mitchell, Heredia and Enns before bumping him up to AA, because Trenton has a bit of a paucity of power pitchers right now. I’m pretty sure Greene and Tracy are their only starters sitting in the 90s.

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Slade was hitting with good authority tonight, he was robbed of a dinger by a sparkling jump in the outfield tonight. Seems to me he’s gotten some bad luck.

  • I’m One

    People need to actually watch these guys to intelligently discuss who is and isn’t ready.

    By “People” I assume you mean someone that actually has an understanding of talent and can evaluate it properly. I know I’m not one of those people and I have no idea what your credentials are, but since you’re posting here, I also assume you’re not getting paid to evaluate professional baseball talent at this time.

    While it’s nice to see good numbers and hear about strong performances in the minors, I’ll leave it to the pros to decide how is and isn’t ready for a promotion. I may comment that someone seems to be beyond the level he’s playing at, but I have no idea what they are supposed to be working on at a particular level (based on what the team wants of them) nor do I think anyone else on this site does. Sure the team may make a mistake from time to time, but I’d guess they do far better than any of us can (otherwise they’;d be paying us to make these decisions. I know that’s not happening with me and I doubt it is with others here.).

    • I’m One

      Reply fail (2nd today). This was meant for Ohio Yankee above.

      • emac2

        Failed replies, failed assumptions and a big post talking about how everyone is probably as clueless as you are?

        Maybe you should be studying something right now?

    • OhioYanks

      “I have no idea what they are supposed to be working on at a particular level (based on what the team wants of them) nor do I think anyone else on this site does.”

      ?????????

      Yes, that’s exactly my point… I am really confused here. The site’s author said repeatedly that Jose Ramirez was not ready for AAA because he only had 42 IP in AA. Other people make similar types of statements about who is and isn’t ready for what all the time. Above people literally make those kind of comments about Sanchez, Murphy, and Bautista.

    • New Guy

      You’re right man. Let’s blindly trust the genius and omnipotent scouts and execs in the Yankee organization and keep our damn mouths shut! Why do people have opinions anyway?

      • OhioYanks

        That’s not the point. The point is that if your opinion is based on nothing but wild speculation on a subject in which you lack expertise, it’s not worth much of anything.

        It’s not to say that the organization is necessarily right. It is to say that wildly speculating on who is ready for what level without actually watching the games is generally wrong. Your doctor might not be right in his diagnosis, but that doesn’t mean you should go see a blind 12 year old to diagnose your rash.

        • jsbrendog

          this is the internet. we come here to discuss the yankees. if you don’t like that then sell your computer. or go somewhere else.

          • OhioYanks

            Ironic that you would tell me I can’t criticize others while criticizing me. If you don’t like my comments, go sell your fucking computer. Your whole my opinion is fact but no one else is allowed their opinion act is a pain in the ass.

            I was commenting on the accuracy of New Guy’s comment, by the way. He was misrepresenting the point.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              DOWN GOES HORNSWOGGLE!

  • http://Thepowerplaynetwork.com Smallz

    Have they given up on Aune being a shortstop already?

    • Danny

      Yup, they did. Surprised they didn’t even give him a shot in CF, seems silly they gave him all this money and seemingly have given up on him defensively already considering how far RF is down the defensive spectrum.

      • OhioYanks

        The money is a sunk cost once the ink dries. It shouldn’t impact their decisions from that point on.

        Sure he would be more valuable if he could stick at SS or CF, but if they already know he’s not sticking there then put him at the position he’s actually going to play.

        I worry more about the offensive spectrum with these guys. I am more worried about his K rate than his defensive position at this point. Heck, I’m more worried that he’s repeating the GCL. I’d obviously be less worried about his offense were he likely to stick at a premium position, but I’d still be worried that he’s back in GCL and early indications are he hasn’t necessarily closed the holes in his swing yet.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Yeah. If he can’t hit, it doesn’t matter where he lands on the defensive spectrum.

  • Dan
    • Chuck Yankeeblock 30

      Thanks for posting Pineda clip. Looked like a giant on the mound. Hitters looked completely intimidated even leftys. I didn’t see 1 good swing. On Murphy bring him up now.

  • Brian in MA

    Minor league guys slowly starting to come around. Austin has rather quietly been getting back to deserving the Prospect Watch status (though I’d like to see more homers). Sanchez continues to mash taters. Murphy is apparently handling the bump to AAA quite well (far as we know). gives us hope for the future.

  • Wayne

    Ramirez was ready for aaa before I thought he would be. Wooow! Man I hope we give this guy a chance man cause he is going to be special. The biggest misconception the Yankees could have on him is if he throws a couple of stinkers while on the major league team that they should automatically give up on him cause they think he is another Hughes. He is going to be way better than Hughes. Ramirez and depaula are the cornerstones of this team not Pineda. I bet you they did not change his delivery.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Well THANK GOD.

      PARTY TIME! EXCELLENT!

  • Wayne

    I stand corrected they did change his delivery. Hopefully he is comfortable with it and can progress. Wow no one said any thing about him changing his delivery. I did not know!

  • Shittyshittybangbang

    Andrew Clark, can someone give background on this guy ? Where he came from ? Was he a highly touted prospect ? Etc, etc.,

  • Wayne

    I am surprised how quickly Pineda came back from shoulder surgery though but who knows oh well. Good luck Pineda! Did not realize how much the Yankees put into changing your delivery.

  • Caballo Sin Nombre

    “Slade Heathcott” is too long to say. My pet name for him is Sladecott™”. Hope he makes it. :)

  • Mike

    A whole lot of debate over box scores. The box scores are meant to be a point of reference, not a primary mean of evaluation. Imagine if you followed the Yankees via box scores: Zolio Almonte would be argued as a rookie of the year candidate and Shawn Kelly would be viewed as the heir to Mo. Ease up on the wfan commentary, Dotf comments have become a train wreck you cannot look away from.

    • Jim Is Bored

      …Anyone who reads box scores also likely knows how to read the “PA” stat, which would mean no one would think Zoilo is a rookie of the year candidate. And I’m not sure if you realize this, but box scores are a record of what happens on the field!!!

      And Mike has prospect writeups on basically anyone of any note. They’re some of the best work on this site. No regular on RAB is ever guilty of “just looking at boxscores”.

      You’re like everyone else who thinks “HAHA statheads” don’t pay attention to anything else.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I actually half-agree with him, even though I think he sells a lot of the readerbase short. I do think many of us balance what we see here with what we’ve read overall. For example, I’m not clamoring for Cody Grice to be called up anytime soon.

        I’ll say, though, that DOTF comment sections are a very odd place at times. There is a set of commenters who don’t really stray from this section, who seems to follow, or at least think they follow, the minor league system closely, which leads to inflated views of some guys and a lot of out-of-place nitpickiness. This is where you’ll read the “Luke Murton for MLB DH!” and “THEY HAVE RUINED TEH RAMIREZ” stuff, which both leave me shaking my head.

        • Jim Is Bored

          My main quibble was acting as though following the Yankees via boxscore (which i had to do when i lived overseas as a child, pre-mlb.tv or satellite) would argue that Zoilo should be rookie of the year.

          People who hate on statheads are never using stats correctly, and assume the statheads are doing things the same way.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            This. Even if David Adams has been pretty dedicated in making me look like a dumbass over the past month.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I have (maybe irrational) hopes that he’ll get it together at least to an ~85-90 wrc+ with regular playing time this year.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                Yeah, me too. Hopefully he gets it so that I can take an arbitrary cutoff before the end of the season and say “See! He had a .340 wOBA once he adjusted!”

  • Bryan

    A few things.
    1) I would not be surprised in the least to see Joba starting somewhere next year on a cheap, incentive and play laden contract. You heard it here folks.

    2) Saying Ramirez will not get a chance to start for the yanks beginning next year is nuts. He got a good look out of st. He is 23. He has 3 pitches. And most importantly we have between 1-3 spots open. Given how terrible the fa market is now. The Yanks would be crazy to not entertain the prospect of allowing one of the younger guys a chance. Also given how solid Phelps has been, and how our younger pitchers do tend to pitch well, it would ve safe to assume Ramirez deserved it.

    3) This is not the yankees of 07. We have legit prospects. Given how many holes we have and the state of fa,the yankees should be wwilling to let guys like austin and slade get first dibs. If they fail ok. But they both have ceilings above where any of the vets we could get have. We aren’t going anywhere without taking some risks.