Murphy homers again in Triple-A win

Game 71: Back For More
Offense a no-show as Dodgers shut out Yankees

According to Josh Norris, C Gary Sanchez will likely have to wait a few more weeks before being promoted to Double-A Trenton. The Yankees want him to catch all the hard-throwers on the High-A Tampa pitching staff so he can work on his ability to receive big velocity.

Triple-A Scranton (10-7 win over Rochester)

  • 2B Walt Ibarra: 2-5, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 K
  • C J.R. Murphy: 3-5, 2 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI — second straight game with a homer gives him eight on the year, one set of his career-high set last season
  • RF Fernando Martinez: 0-3, 1 RBI, 1 HBP — organizational debut
  • CF Cody Grice: 2-4, 2 R, 2 HR, 6 RBI — career game for the guy who was called up from High-A Tampa as an emergency fill-in due to the injuries
  • RHP Jose Ramirez: 2.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K, 1 HB, 4/1 GB/FB — 44 of 74 pitches were strikes (59%) … it’s almost like he isn’t ready for this leave after only 42.1 innings at Double-A
  • RHP Dellin Betances: 3 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 1/5 GB/FB — 24 of 43 pitches were strikes (56%) … another positive sign

Double-A Trenton (5-3 win over Akron)

  • LF Ramon Flores: 1-5, 1 K — threw a runner out at the plate
  • CF Slade Heathcott: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 BB — 19 hits in his last 62 at-bats (.306)
  • RF Tyler Austin: 0-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HBP
  • 2B Jose Pirela: 2-3, 2 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 1 BB, 1 SB
  • RHP Shane Greene: 5 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 7/2 GB/FB — 57 of 83 pitches were strikes (69%) … his Double-A debut (finally)
  • LHP Cesar Cabral: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0/1 GB/FB — 24 of 38 pitches were strikes (63%) … first scoreless outing in more than three weeks
  • LHP Jeremy Bleich: 2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1/2 GB/FB — 21 of 33 pitches were strikes (64%) … three runs allowed in his last 18.1 innings (1.47 ERA)

High-A Tampa (8-4 loss to Dunedin) still no CF Mason Williams, but he has not been placed on the DL as of yet

  • CF Ben Gamel: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 2 K — 15 hits in his last 36 at-bats (.417) with two doubles, two triples, and two homers
  • DH Rob Refsnyder & 2B Angelo Gumbs: both 0-4 — Refsnyder struck out
  • RF Yeral Sanchez: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B
  • 1B Saxon Butler: 2-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 K
  • RHP Corey Black: 3 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 2 WP, 1 HB, 4/1 GB/FB — second start off the DL, second time he struggles with his control
  • RHP Taylor Garrison: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 2/2 GB/FB

Low-A Charleston is off until tomorrow for the All-Star break.

Short Season Staten Island (5-2 win over Brooklyn)

  • 2B Derek Toadvine: 2-3, 1 R, 1 BB
  • LF Michael O’Neill: 1-4, 1 K
  • CF Brandon Thomas: 0-4, 1 R, 2 K, 1 SB
  • DH Kale Sumner: 2-3, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 K — this is 32nd rounder Chaunsey Sumner, though apparently he prefers Kale
  • RHP Jairo Heredia: 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 4/3 GB/FB — completely forgot he existed
  • RHP Stefan Lopez: 2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 2/0 GB/FB
Game 71: Back For More
Offense a no-show as Dodgers shut out Yankees
  • Robinson Tilapia

    I prefer kale too. My favorite green.

    Murphy trying to send Austin Romine a message?

    Is Gricemania about to run wild?

    Is something really happening with Dellin Betances?

    So many subplots.

    • trr

      all infinitley more interesting than watching Vernon Wells pop ouy

    • Brian in MA


  • trr

    nah not yet

  • Jordan

    Is Heredia still a guy to keep an eye on?

    • Bo Knows

      He’s 24 in Tampa that’s really old for that level

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        He’s got big stuff, though. He’s just always injured.

        • Bo Knows

          Maybe but at 24 and only at High A, he’s not going to be a big league starter, bullpen will be his destination.

          • http://deleted Richard Leo

            a solid reliever would be great

      • nycsportzfan

        Try Staten Island. I just asked about this guy a couple wks ago. Hes 2 injury prone and is probably on his last hoorah to try and make a run toward the bigs.

  • Jessica

    Given how Austin Romine is playing, how long do you wait before you bring up Murphy? Could he be any much worse?
    Although maybe being completely overwhelmed would be bad for his long-term development.

    • pat

      You don’t bring up Murphy at all. In an ideal world Murphy and Romine are at AAA splitting time between catching one day and DHing the next. Very few guys can come off the bench and produce when they’re playing once a week and it’s not all that surprising that someone who still has a lot of development to do cannot do it.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault


      • OhioYanks

        Are there any studies out there on this? The data would have to be cleaned extensively since moving between roles is probably often linked to a change in ability (developing or declining), but a large enough sample of part-time players pressed into full-time duty through injury, trade, etc. probably exists.

        Could explain Chris Stewart’s production in a full-time role if there’s any truth to it. I’m not so sure that there is, though. Guys who stink are going to tend to play infrequently. Small samples are also prone to variability in both directions. So the below expectations production might be commonly explained as due to this once a week phenomenon while the above average guys (not sure how frequently they played but maybe guys like Shane Spencer, Shelley Duncan, Ciriaco) might e explained as a fluke and mentally classified differently. In reality, they’re probably two sides of the same coin.

      • sparty bill

        I agree Pat. The Grice kid that had a good night last night, instead of giving him his props for a good night the writers want to slam him for his batting average, at the lower level.
        Well when you have prospects playing in front of you and you get to see a pitch every fourth or fifth day it is pretty tough in this league to fix anything or even get comfortable.
        It would do some of these guys good to stand in a batters box once every four days and see how well your timing works.

    • http://deleted Richard Leo

      Let Murphy get enough AB first

  • Bo Knows

    A little presumptuous about Ramirez, guys are going to have to adjust and walking 8 men in 6 total innings is not a matter of the level being too hard, that’s a matter of the pitcher getting out of wack mechanically.

    • Greg

      I agree. That’s a reallllly questionable conclusion he’s hinting at and the reasoning is almost shockingly bad.

    • Wolfgang’s Fault

      Actually, sometimes you get in over your head & you try to do things you’re not ready or capable of doing yet. A sure fire prescription for injury. Not saying that’s the cause; just saying it’s one possible explanation.

      • OhioYanks

        What is it that he’s not capable of doing? If he was throwing strikes at AA, he just has to do the same thing at AAA. Whether it gets hit or not is a different story. It’s a tiny sample, which also applies to your Grice comment below.

    • OhioYanks

      In following this blog, what I have learned about the author is:
      -He is great at presenting information
      -But he only sees the negative in everything
      -And he likes to use small samples to confirm his preconceived notions

      • Jim Is Bored

        The second point is pretty unique to this season. None of us know why he’s been that way.

        • JD

          One should be biased negatively on prospects given the likelihood that few succeed. The authors real issue is that he isn’t a good evaluator of talent. He is just a guy that published tweets, box scores and metrics. He does a good job at writing it up. Don’t ask for more.

          • OhioYanks

            Negativity comment was based on the site in general rather than just the prospect stuff. Even with prospects, though, the negativity is not only about their chances of making it. It’s just pervasive in his analysis. He is equally negative about Shane Greene not being promoted above as about Ramirez being promoted.

            You are undoubtedly right, though, and I think he forgets it. The Greene/Ramirez things above seems like a good example. Besides wanting it both ways to some extent (i.e. don’t promote a guy after 40 IP, but if you give a guy 75 IP at a level after he had a 5+ ERA there the year before in 100 IP I will bitch incessantly about it), promotions are not all about box score performance. They are about building and mastering skills that you have to be watching games to see (Cashman has said that stats aren’t used until AA to determine promotions, but rather scouting). And even watching the games you might not know the reasons for a promotion or leaving someone behind, such as wanting Sanchez to catch hard throwers. He oversteps his bounds as a fan in second guessing everything the org does with players that he is not even watching play.

        • Coolerking101

          Have to defend Mike on this one. He’s negative for the same reason any rational,reasonable Yankee fan is negative…b/c the team screwed over its fans in the name of saving a buck. When you have the highest everything prices and make more money than every team, you have an obligation to your fans to go the extra mile. Nevertheless, the team cheaped out this off season and the product on the field is the worst its been in 20 years. Mike warned of this throughout the off season and now that we’re stuck watching a minor league offense day in and out, the frustration is coming to a boil.

          • OhioYanks

            Would disagree about the rational part, and generally with most of your comment. Rationality would not have led one to conclude this off-season that Teixiera and Granderson would both go down before the season started, Jeter would be out for half the season, his back-up would first hit well below his career norms and then get hurt himself, that several AAA guys would all get hurt when they might have been used, that Adams and Romine would struggle as badly as they have (which is probably partially adjustment and small sample size anyway, but at some point the farm is for filling holes as well as just trade pieces), even though they can’t hit that Wells or Francisco or Brignac is really this awful, or that Martin is Johnny Bench while Stewart and Cervelli are the worst Cs in the world. It probably would have led to a conclusion of Youkilis and/or Hafner getting hurt at some point. It is also not rational to decide before hand that they will adhere to the $189 plan when they have said that it is a goal that will be applied circumstantially.

            What we have here is more a case of confirmation bias than rational analysis. You get upset and decide that the team didn’t make the right moves in the off-season, then when things you never expected to go wrong do you blame the lack of moves. (Or things you never expected to go right like Martin and Chavez and Shierholtz all crushing the ball out of line with expectations. In which case you use hindsight to pick only the players that have worked out as guys that they missed out on and selectively forget all the guys you advocated signing who have flopped.)

            I would also point out that this team is 3.5 games out of the best record in the AL. One can argue that it is unsustainable due to run differential, but one can also argue that their combination of bad injury luck and underperformance is unsustainable.

            Not to mention that the Yankees do still have the highest payroll in baseball by $13 million. Their “cheaping out” included lucrative deals for Kuroda, Mo, Pettitte, Youkilis, Ichiro, and bringing in Wells. The offensive moves have not worked out, but that doesn’t mean they were cheap.

            None of this is to say that the Yankees are perfect. It is to say that overwhelming negativity is not the rational way to look at this situation.

            • TomH

              This response is unintentionally hilarious, a compendium of damned near every cliche current on this board. The low point–or high point (depending on your angle of perception–is: “None of this is to say that the Yankees are perfect.” I’ll say.

              In fact, the rational thing to say is this: when you fail to strengthen an aging team during the off-season (especially a team that, in its post-season showed serious weakness, while also losing its shortstop for months) you leave yourself open to catastrophes of the kind that occurred beginning with Granderson’s forearm cracking.

              Of course, you can’t predict that this or that injury would have occurred. What you can predict, though, is that injuries occur and that when they hit a team weakened by the owner (supported by his GM underling) you are playing with fire.

              Moreover, it’s not as if there hadn’t been reminders of such dangers. Both Boston a couple or so years ago and, last season, a wipe-out of Toronto’s pitching staff (compounded by the loss of Bautista) are like the Death’s Head sitting on the desk of St. Jerome (the hermit), reminders of doom.

              What is NOT “rational” is using “rational” as a question-begging term–and it’s certainly not rational to echo Hal’s cynical comments on the signings of Rivera, Pettitte, et al.

              Fines should be levied for every time someone notes how close the Yankees are to Boston. Now that’s truly irrational.

              • OhioYanks

                You, my friend, as hilarious. I have seen your comments before. A psuedo-intellectual who needs to use big words to make other people feel like he is smarter than them because there is no actual substance to his point.

                Irrational is deciding that a team who losses two middle of the order bats just before the season starts (plus their C and two SSs for most of the season to date) and is still 3.5 games out of the best record in the league is at fault for not doing enough to gather depth.

                Yes, 2 standard deviation types of injury luck does happen from time to time. That does not mean that a team can have a bunch of $20 million per season All-Stars waiting in AAA just in case.

              • OhioYanks

                Basically, you have determined that only the left side of a probability distribution exists. That is not at all rational. You have acknowledged that things can go more wrong that expected, but failed to acknowledge that things can go more right than expected. Over a large enough sample and a large enough period of time, those deviations will even out.

                What has gone better than expected for the Yankees? Early a bunch did, but on the season to date not a whole lot has. Stewart has hit better than expected. Kuroda’s ERA is under expectations. Some fringe BP arms have stepped up. I can list far more things that have gone worse than any reasonable person would have expected, though. I’m not sure if any other player than those I mentioned would be more than one standard deviation above what was expected. Probably a dozen players have been more than one below.

            • Coolerking101

              As Tom notes, Mike, myself and countless others pointed out that this team was old and greatly in need of help. Jeter/ARod/Youk/Hafner were all known as significant injury risks. The catching position was (and remains) a joke. Tex has been on a steady decline for years. Most rational fans saw this coming. There’s no information bias here.

              You say the Yanks have the highest payroll and point ot Ichiro, Wells and Youk? to show the team is willing to spend money. Sorry, but that’s an epic fail. The team refused to sign anyone that would put a dent in the 189 plan, thus eliminating most options from the get-go. Ichiro was a signing demanded by management to sell merchandise. Wells will cost the team nothing next year. Youk was a last resort, caused by Management’s refusal to open op their wallets and make an offer to Chavez till they knew how much Kuroda and Petite were going to cost. By the time Cash had authority to make offers, Chavez was already signed.

              Mike, was calling for the Yanks to sign Martin, Chavez and Shierholtz this off-season. It’s not information bias if you were calling for the signing during the winter and it turns out you were dead right.

              Also – so what that the yanks have the highest payroll??? They ALWAYS have the highest payroll. The difference is, they used to outspend everyone by a huge amount. Now, they barely outspend the competition, despite apparently being worth far more than all other franchises. In fact, the Yanks have increased their payroll by less than almost every other team in teh game over the last 4 years. The only teams that have gone up less are teams that are not competitive. In other words, management is keeping more money for themselves at the expense of the product on the field.

              Mike and many posters who saw the writing on the wall certainly have a right to say I told you so.

              • OhioYanks

                Told me what? That the Yankees were not a contender? They are a contender so far this season.

                That is really besides the point, though. Read what I wrote to Tom, especially the second comment.

                • OhioYanks

                  The point is exactly that people who felt the Yankees would struggle are incorrect for taking this time to rub it in people’s faces. They are having a cold stretch, but that does not mean it is all downhill from here. There is a lot of season left and they are firmly in contention at this point. They may make the playoffs or they may not. This is a clear case of confirmation bias. You thought they would struggle this season, so as soon as they hit a cold streak you start telling people “I told you so.” You have been proven neither right nor wrong at this point. It’s a long season and we’re less than half way through.

                  • Coolerking101

                    Look, the negativity stems from a perception that the Yankees troubles are self-made and could have been avoided to a large extent. I think that negativity is completely valid for the reasons cited earlier. Moreover, I believe that the Yanks have played well above their talent to date and that what we’ve seen during the last two weeks is a glimpse of what this team really is. Your point that the team is in contention and that it’s a long season have some validity, but only if you believe this team is playing at or below their talent level and that the current pace can at least be sustained. However, I think most statistical measures will suggest that the Yanks have overachieved thus far. AS a result, more games in the season merely promises us a team likely to regress further.

                    Remember, it’s not confirmation bias if the data actually backs me up.

                    If Martin, Chavez and even Swisher had been signed this off season, as fans wanted, the outlook would be different. Instead, Hal wanted to save money…and the result is, quite possibly, the worst hitting Yankee time in two or three decades.

                    • OhioYanks

                      Who has played above their talent level to date? What statistical measures? Just about the entire team is under-performing expectations on the season. Their record may be better than their play would indicate it should be, but that doesn’t mean that their play is as good as their talent indicates it should be. Scoring differential is also a moving target. Sweep the Rays by an average of 5 runs per game and the Yankees might be right by Baltimore while the Rays are negative.

                      I don’t know that you understand what confirmation bias is. Fans wanted a lot of guys to be signed this off-season. Taking three guys who have performed well as examples is, in fact, confirmation bias. The article on here yesterday showed a number of guys people wanted the Yankees to sign who have not done well to date.

                      Even if the Yankees sign the specific guys you picked out in hindsight, it could just as easily be Chavez’s back that gets tweaked (I think everyone considered his back worse than Youk’s entering the season) and Martin whose hand is broken on a foul tip (or any other of the numerous injuries that can befall a C).

  • dkidd

    when is nuno due back?

  • Wolfgang’s Fault

    For Grice sakes, you stick Cody in a MLB outfield, at this rate, they’ll never get him out. I like this kid, & just wish they’d have played him more down in low & high A ball. After this little sojourn in AAA, they need to give him a chance to develop as he can be a nice little piece somewhere down the road.

  • Gerald

    how the hell does a 23 yr. old who was at A ball hitting .196 and slugging .268 jump up to AAA and start raking?

    • kenthadley

      maybe he was bored.

    • sparty bill

      Because he is playing everyday as opposed to every fourth day.

      • OhioYanks

        That’s one of several explanations. More likely than Grice actually being a true .900 OPS hitter in AAA, though, is variability in small samples.

  • nycsportzfan

    Ben Gamels my boy! That kid can freaking rake!

  • Bill

    How do you guys think Bichette and Culver did in the Low-A All-star game?

    • CS Yankee

      Likely went 0-4 on the beer runs and dropped a couple of hot dogs.

  • Brian in MA

    new best name…


  • Mike C

    Interesting that Murphy has hit better average every level, that’s similar to many great hitters. . . . #Exciting