Jun
12

Yanks no match for A’s; drop series opener 6-4

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Source: FanGraphs

The final score is very misleading. The Athletics completely outplayed the Yankees both in the field and at the plate on Tuesday night, though some late garbage time runs make it seem like it was a fair fight. Maybe the O’Neill Theory will be in affect tomorrow, though I wouldn’t hold my breath with this offense. Let’s recap the 6-4 loss:

  • No Ace: For the fourth time in his last five starts, CC Sabathia allowed at least four runs. He’s up to a very average 4.07 ERA (3.87 FIP) on the season, which is the best way to describe his year: average. Sabathia gave up a leadoff homer to Coco Crisp and a three run homer to Derek Norris, raising his season total to 14 dingers allowed, the fourth most in baseball. He struck out three and walked one in six innings of six-run ball, and it’s becoming more and more clear with each passing start that he’s no longer the pitcher he was even two years ago. That’s a scary proposition for a team for a team unable to win with anything less than a very good pitching performance.
  • Blown Chance: Bartolo Colon came into this game with six walks allowed on the entire season, but he walked two of the first four men he faced to setup a bases loaded, one-out situation for New York. Rather than capitalize, the corpse of Kevin Youkilis popped up into foul territory and Lyle Overbay flew out to end the inning. Needless to say, that inning hurt. Scoring a run or two there changes everything and forces the A’s to play from behind before they even bat.
  • Late Runs: For the first seven innings, the Yankees did nothing. They put three men on first from the second through seventh innings before singles from Mark Teixeira and Vernon Wells plated a pair of runs in the eighth. Teixeira singled in two more with two outs in the ninth, and Travis Hafner kinda sorta almost came close to tying the game when he hit a ball to the warning track with a man on base for the final out. It was good to see some signs of life late, but unfortunately they were too little, far too late.
  • Left0vers: Preston Claiborne and Joba Chamberlain each threw scoreless innings in relief in Sabathia … the wrap-around 9-1-2-3 portion of the lineup went a combined 8-for-17 while the other four spots went 2-for-20 … Brett Gardner extended his hitting streak to eight games with a first inning single … Robinson Cano went 2-for-3 with two walks, which is hopefully a sign that he’s coming out of his slump and ready to go on a tear. They need him … the A’s had to use their top three relievers in what appeared to be a blowout early on, so I guess that’s a consolation prize.

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. The Orioles won while the Rays beat the Red Sox, so the Yankees remain one back of Boston, one up on Baltimore, and two up on Tampa Bay in the loss column. Phil Hughes and Dan Straily is your pitching matchup for game two of this three-game series on Wednesday night.

Categories : Game Stories
  • forensic

    Robinson Cano went 2-for-3 with two walks, which is hopefully a sign that he’s coming out of his slump and ready to go on a tear. They need him

    Yup, and ditto for Tex who also had 2 hits. Hopefully they both get going.

    • trr

      AMEN!

  • Kevin

    The first inning was the difference. If we could have put a couple of runs up there,it would have made a big difference.
    But then again,CC still gave up four runs.

    • forensic

      CC allowed 6 runs, not 4.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Well we’ve still won 7/11 since that Mets series. Hopefully we can take the series withe Hughes in a big ballpark and Kuroda and then beat up on the two crap LA teams. It was nice to show some life at the end and make the A’s use their closer and setup guy too. Also nice to see Tex and Cano have good games.

    On another note, can we never speak of that game thread again? That’s among the worst I can remember since I started frequenting them in 2011. Seriously trolls, you can do better than jacking other people’s handles.

    Finally, I think CC’s line would look different if Overbay wasn’t in RF and Stewart could actually block a ball in the dirt. He wasn’t great tonight no doubt, but that certainly didn’t help him.

    And, Dodgers/Diamondbacks.

    • Pat D

      Yea, you know it was a bad brawl when some of the most significant activity involved the coaches. And those two teams have some big names on their coaching staffs.

      • forensic

        Yeah, usually the benches clearing means the teams are just gathering out on the field for a big group hug, but this one had some serious punches being thrown.

        Grienke and the Dodgers seem to be magnets for this kind of stuff.

    • forensic

      Yup, that game thread was basically unbearable for the second half of the night.

    • forensic

      I’ll give you Overbay, because that was pitiful.

      But, as for Stewart, yes he needs to block that but it’s not quite that clear cut. First, CC was once again way late covering a base/plate. Second, it was still only one out so if we assume Reddick would’ve hit the same flyball to CF (what’s that you say Greg?), then the run scores anyway.

  • forensic

    The A’s announcers briefly mentioned it, but it’s kind of ironic that Norris’ homerun was gone in spacious Oakland Coliseum but would’ve been a flyout in homer friendly Yankee Stadium. That’s at the 399 sign in death valley in NY, but it’s only in the 360’s in Oakland.

    • Terry Sheldon

      Doesn’t mean a thing. The size of the ballpark is what it is…

  • nycsportzfan

    Its the HR to another lousy guy that scored multi runs with 2out that is the diffrence in this one. Its yet another crap hitter who takes CC deep and it really effects the final score. It seems every couple starts hes giving up game changing HR’s to guys who just don’t hit or hit for power(one or the other or both).

    We scored 4runs and had 10hits, and it dosent matter when we scored as games are 9inn long for a reason, and any time your team scores 4runs with a 20plus mill a yr so called ACE pitching for ya, you should win.

    Its not like the yanks scored off some bums, the A’s had there good pitchers in there, including Blevins. This ones directly on CC.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Ryan Roberts, anyone?

      • forensic

        Why stop there?

        Ryan Roberts, Sean Rodriguez, Yunel Escobar, Adam Rosales, Coco Crisp, Derek Norris, Yan Gomes…

        You could even throw James Loney and Raul Ibanez in there too based on them being lefties.

        And that’s just this season.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          All major league players capable of hitting he right pitch out.

          This is so silly. Every pitcher has a list like that.

          • forensic

            You’re a little feisty this morning, huh?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Maybe. You’re a big guy. You can take it.

          • LK

            I mean, CC’s allowed the 4th most homers in baseball. Granted, he throws a lot of innings, but I don’t think the “every pitcher has a list like that” excuse works.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Slightly different, though. I understand being concerned about him giving up more homers. I just don’t personally believe dividing thsoe homers into lists of worthy versus unworthy players means much. Anyone in baseball should be able to turn on a meatball and hit it into the stands. The issue is the meatballs, not the names of the players.

              Now I’m hungry. Meatballs, anyone?

  • Kevin

    Let’s be blunt,Overbay in RF or not,the score still would have been tied. And as someone mentioned,this loss is on CC. The offense could have done more but got 4 runs.
    The CC of old could have protected that,not anymore.

  • Nathan

    Just got home from the game. Wow, what a difference a year or two makes: 50/50 Yankees/A’s crowd would have been mostly pro-Yankees but now the A’s atmosphere was LOUD. It’s almost as if all the Yankees fans were reserved knowing the game wouldn’t be a good one. That first inning wasted opportunity just set the tone. And I don’t know if it’s just the games that I’ve been to in Oakland, but CC seems to give up a lot of HRs there.

    On a sidenote, I was walking behind CC’s mother and she’s a tall woman. I recognized her from the a local documentary about his youth and community involvement.

    • forensic

      It’s not just the games you’ve been to. He has terrible career numbers in Oakland. ERA well over 5 now.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m actually a bigger fan of fans in a home team stadium rooting for the home team.

      Is there anyone else on here whose reaction is to be embarrassed when Yankee fans outnumber the home team fans somewhere? I know I am. Have pride in your team. Don’t root for mine.

      • Nathan

        In previous years in Oakland, it wasn’t uncommon for Yankee fans to outnumber A’s fans. The later in the season and lower in the standings the A’s were, the less fans there were and less vocal.

        I was actually surprised that last night’s game wasn’t as full considering the A’s are doing quite well. I think it’s more embarrassing when the visiting Bay Area rival Giants visit Oakland and A’s fans are vastly outnumbered. I went to a few games with my cousin (an A’s fan) when the Giants visit and it’s about 70% Giants fans.

      • Get Phelps Up

        For me it depends on who the other team is. I absolutely love it when Camden Yards or the Trop is full on cheering for the Yankees.

  • Wheels

    It’s almost forgotten in the shuffle how bad Ichiro is at this point. I cringe when he comes up to bat.

    • WhittakerWalt

      I never forget.

  • your mom

    CC fucking sucks.

  • forensic

    Sean Doolittle’s previous five games: 3.2 IP, 13 H, 2 BB, 10 R (24.55 ERA)

    Tonight: 3 up, 3 down, no ball out of the infield

    That’s annoying.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Why? He’s a major league reliever. Do you just expect him to fall straight off a cliff?

      • forensic

        No, but when someone is pitching that terribly, and against such noted offense powerhouses as the White Sox, Giants, and Brewers, it’d be nice to see the Yankees at least put up a fight against him.

        • LK

          I know the “powerhouse” thing was a joke, but the Giants and Brewers have been significantly better than the Yanks offensively. We say, “this guy’s been struggling, we should pound him.” A’s fans say, “he’s been struggling lately, he’ll get himself right against one of the worst offenses in baseball.”

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Maybe they will next time. Maybe, if he had to face those same teams again tomorrow, he’d take out the side on three pitches. He’s a reliever.

          Maybe it was WWWSDW.

  • TomH

    Tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock….

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Blame this guy, blame that guy. Whatever. They lost. Blame all 25 of them for that. No one in that locker room is pointing at CC or Overbay or whatnot and saying, “we woulda won if it wasn’t for you, ya lousy bum.”

    It’s so embarrassing to read fans over and over wanting to establish goats every time a team loses.

    I wish we would have hit the 40 year-old who’s ingested everything under the sun these past few years. I’m sorry we were responsible for unleashing him back onto the MLB. That’s about it. CC gives up four runs, or whatnot? Then score five and come through for him.

    To digress a bit, though, I’d rather play major leaguers who are slumping at their actual positions than try to squeeze every bit of juice out of Lyle Overbay in RF. That just needs to end already. Get your fringe prospect from another team and either let Ichiro and Vernon play out their offensive issues out there or bring up a Neal or Musty.

    • forensic

      Nice to see you survived the Spurs game. ;-)

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I won’t lie. I experienced a rather Greg-ish “bad vibe” at the end of the first half and switched to the Yankees. I went to bed right after Lyle Overbay’s little adventure led to the second run, mostly because I’d been up since 5:00 AM and flown back home yesterday morning. I’m glad I missed the second half.

        The flipside is that I got to enjoy games 1 and 2 in Miami, which was damn nice.

    • forensic

      Except that we are fans, we aren’t players who have to say their canned responses to every question because they spend everyday with these guys. What’s the point of blogs or message boards or anything if you’re not going to voice your opinions or analyze each game?

      What’s the big problem with saying that CC allowed six runs (not four) in six innings and that’s the biggest reason they lost?

      I do agree with your comments about Overbay and the OF. I, and many others, said it would cost them and tonight it certainly cost them a run.

    • LK

      Given that CC allowed 6 runs, and that the Yankees have what is clearly a below average offense, and were playing in a pitcher’s park, saying “well score 7 runs and come through for him” is a little ridiculous.

      Overbay is going to be terrible in the OF defensively. Even acknowledging that, I think there’s a legitimate chance he’s the 2nd best OF in the organization (not counting Granderson since he’s hurt, of course).

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all. Your teammmate has a bad game? Then pick him up.

        To answer forensic as well, I don’t think players give canned responses but really assign goats in their heads. I’d like to believe a player like that would quickly become not popular in any locker room in baseball.

        Actually, not true…..I know someone who knew someone who played WR in the NFL on a team with a notoriously shitty QB. I remember her telling me about a conversation with him in which she asked him why he was playing so badly, and he totally threw the QB under the bus. Who knows. ;)

        • LK

          “I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all. Your teammmate has a bad game? Then pick him up.”

          Generally speaking I agree, but if your starting pitcher shits the bed and you have a well-below average offense, you have to accept that the majority of the time you’re not going to be able to “pick him up,” you’re going to lose the game. For this Yankee team to win with any sort of consistency, they need better starting pitching performances than 6 R in Oakland’s ballpark.

          It seems like the logical conclusion of your statement is that you can NEVER blame a player for a loss. It’s true that a loss is never 100% on any one player, but it’s also true that they don’t share the blame equally. CC had -.264 WPA last night. He was the main reason they lost. I don’t see what the harm is in acknowledging that.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I understand how down some folks here are on Vernon and Ichiro, and they are certainly justified, but I’d still rather have either of them out there every night than Overbay. What exactly does Overbay bring to the table other than a few sprinkled moments throughout the season? The others are deeply slumping (or worse), but they still can play their damn position.

        If you really want an alternative to them out there, and Boesch is still injured, then DFA Mesa and add either Neal or Musty to the 40-man and bring them up. I actually agree with emac2 that I’d rather see what I get out of them than couple Overbay’s mediocre-to-average bat with piss-poor defense.

        • LK

          I don’t think what you’re saying is wrong, but I don’t think it’s necessarily right either.

          Neal/Musty have never seen the bigs, so we honestly have absolutely no idea how they’d do. The Yanks might think that they’re not MLB-caliber players and would be completely exposed by major league pitching. As completely awful as Ichiro and Wells have been, it’s entirely possible that Neal/Musty would be worse, perhaps significantly so.

          It’s clear that Wells and Ichiro are better defensively than Overbay. It’s also clear that Overbay is a better hitter than Ichiro, and is a better hitter than Wells at least against RHP. Is the defensive gap larger than the offensive gap? I don’t think there’s any way to know definitively, but the Yankees seem to feel they’re of comparable size.

          The reality is that all 3 of them suck and there aren’t any replacements in the organization. This team would need an OF even if Grandy were healthy right now.

      • wsa

        It’s a little ridiculous not to recognize that the Yankees below average offense on the season has been without Tex (11 Gs) and also without Youk (26 Gs) for a long period. Those two rounding back into form alone will not make this an offensive juggernaut but the offense you see right now is not necessarily the season-to-date offense. It’s added two potential middle of the order bats. Overbay has been somewhat respectable but still below league average at 1B. Nix and Adams just haven’t been respectable. Tex and Youk aren’t in their primes anymore but should still be upgrades.

  • OldYanksFan

    So, we have what? $75m/year into CC, ARod and Teix?
    Pretty sad.
    Considering Hafner does nothing but hit, he hasn’t been great either, but better then most of the other dead wood.

  • Eddard

    People expect the club to win every game for some reason. Even the very best teams lose 1/3 of the games. Look at the big picture. They’re just 1 game in the loss column out of first and they’re 3-2 on the West Coast trip. You just want to go .500 on these long trips and they’re on their way to achieving that.

  • http://www.thewebsitemarketingagency.com Geno

    I’m not counting CC out just yet. I suspect something else is going on that’s related to his shit year – toughing out an injury being most likely, in my opine. It’s wild how quick some here are to dismiss him as done.

    He’s a 32-year-old lefty with a huge history of success. He’s got a few more solid seasons in him, this just isn’t his year. My money’s still on CC!

    • TomH

      CC is beginning to remind me of another great pitcher’s slide: Robin Roberts. Six straight 20-game-win seasons and missed a 7th by 1 game. Terrific fast ball, curve, and, as I recall, change-up. Tremendous innings-eater. Big with K’s, really low BB’s, etc. And he did all that with mostly lousy teams.

      But he allowed a lot of HRs. One reason was simply the # of innings he pitched. But at the time, and in addition to that, was the slowing down of the FB. Once he began losing an inch (then 2) on the FB, the HR rate began to be noticeable, and you found yourself waiting for the HRs you knew would come.

      And I think his decline began sort of early too. He never performed the Mussina metamorphosis.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Do you feel like there were pitchers who were able to make Mussina-like changes in that era, though? Before my time, so I have no idea.

        I DID know, however, that Roberts gave up a shit ton of HRs.

        • TomH

          That’s a good question: who,of Robin Roberts’ stature might have made the Mussina Metamorphosis?

          Early Wynn might be someone who did, but the most obvious candidate would surely be Warren Spahn. From ages 37 to 42–when could not have had much left on the FB–he won 20 or more games FIVE (!) times.

          Spahn has always been a target of opportunity for people who think that “games won” is an overrated statistic. I don’t share this view and remember him as a very effective Old Timer pitcher. I was glad he was in the National League.

      • Kosmo

        Rapid Robert did undergo a metamorphosis 1962-1965. His years with Baltimore. I recall NY had him in ST 1962 but released him.

        • Kosmo

          “rapid Robin“

        • WhittakerWalt

          “Rapid Robert” was Bob Feller.

          • Kosmo

            yes thanks for the correction !

        • TomH

          Yeah, he did OK for the O’s. HR’s were reduced. But he had no year like that last Mussina season.

  • shittyshittybangbang

    No “trolling” on this specific thread, so censoring – i.m.o., is un-called for. We’ve all been frustrated at some point while watching “our” team, and voiced our displeasure. WE’VE ALL DONE IT ! And this game …, it was fucking frustrating. First inning fail sucked ass…., and then being dominated by a yoko zuna in a uniform, sucked ass. But hey, we’ll get’m next time.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I now picture Bartolo delivering a Bonzai drop onto some poor shmuck from the pitcher’s mound.

      • Pat D

        All the while Mr. Fuji waves the Japanese flag and Jim Cornette laughs and swings the tennis racket.

  • emac2

    I can’t believe we are in a position to even discuss Overbay as a defensive issue. How does a team struggling to score runs play his replacement level bat in the outfield? It doesn’t matter if the kids are proven when you have an old guy who can’t hit or field. At least the kids MIGHT work out and give us a cheap answer for next year. Neal is hitting close to .330 in AAA and Ronnier can do anything Overbay can do.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t normally agree with you, but I agree here. There’s just not that much pixie dust there, and I always thought his truest value was as a fill-in for Tex at first. He’s just a really bad outfielder now.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Because he’s had a couple of game-winning hits, and that kind of thing earns you a LOT of rope with Girardi. It doesn’t make sense to me, especially with Joe’s “binder” reputation, but he seems to make a lot of decisions that are based on emotion more than anything else.

  • wsa

    Pretty predictable that when the Yankees score late runs Mike will come out with the “score was misleading” stuff. The score can’t be misleading. All the runs count. You just have to interpret it correctly.

    • WhittakerWalt

      What a weird thing to be offended by.