Jul
30

2013 Trade Deadline Eve Open Thread

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The annual non-waiver trade deadline is 4pm ET on Wednesday, so pretty much one day away. The Yankees have already pulled off one pre-deadline deal by acquiring Alfonso Soriano and a bunch of cash from the Cubs for minor league righty Corey Black. They were desperate for a right-handed power bat and the trade has already paid dividends, as Soriano hit a two-run homer and a walk-off single on Sunday.

That move was a good first step, but the Yankees need much more help than that. They need an everyday third baseman — seven different players have combined to hit .217/.276/.288 (55 OPS+) at the hot corner this year — especially since it looks increasingly unlikely Alex Rodriguez will return to the team at some point. A righty platoon bat for Lyle Overbay, a catcher, and maybe even a starting pitcher should be on the trade deadline shopping list as well.

The Yankees haven’t made a notable trade at the deadline since way back in 2006, when they brought in Bobby Abreu. By notable trade, a mean a legitimate above-average player. Someone who didn’t require you to squint your eyes and say “maybe he has something left in the tank.” I don’t know if the team will buck that trend in the next 24 hours or so, but if they were ever going to do it, this would be the perfect time.

We’re going to keep track of the day’s Yankees-related rumors right here in this post, so check back often. All times are ET, obviously. Talk about anything trade deadline related — rumors, crazy hypotheticals, etc. — here as well.

  • 10:33pm: Forget about Callaspo, he has reportedly been traded to the Athletics. [Rosenthal]
  • 7:16pm: Young has ruled out a trade to the Yankees and the team no longer has interest in Rios. [Andrew Marchand & Buster Olney]
  • 6:40pm: The Yankees have interest in Alberto Callaspo and have spoken to the Angels about him. Unclear if talks are serious at all. [Danny Knobler]
  • 5:49pm: Mike Morse is very available, but the Yankees and Mariners have not yet had any serious talks. When the Nationals made Morse available over the winter, they wanted Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez in return. [Sherman & Josh Norris]
  • 4:41pm: The Yankees have renewed their interest in Alex Rios. He recently said he would agree to waive his no-trade clause to come to New York after reports to the contrary. [Scott Merkin]
  • 3:59pm: With 24 hours to go before the deadline, the Yankees are focused on finding a righty platoon partner for Overbay and perhaps a trade to rid themselves of Joba Chamberlain. I suppose they could accomplish both at once. [Sherman]
  • 3:01pm: The Yankees are not completely out on Young at this point, but their chances of landing him are “very limited.” [Heyman]
  • 1:50pm: Young will only waive his no-trade clause to return to the Rangers. So much for that idea. [Ken Rosenthal]
  • 1:05pm: If Young is indeed being traded soon, the Yankees say it won’t be to them. [Joel Sherman]
  • 12:19pm: The Phillies are planning to call up third base prospect Cody Asche, which is a pretty strong indication Young will be traded soon. Not necessarily to the Yankees, mind you. Several other clubs (Red Sox, Rangers, etc.) are said to be interested. [Jeff Passan]
  • 12:00pm: The Yankees are still bugging the Giants about Hunter Pence, but there doesn’t appear to be a match at this point. San Francisco plans to make the outfielder a qualifying offer after the season, so any trade return would have to be greater than the value of a supplemental first round pick. [Jon Heyman]
  • The team continues to monitor Michael Young, which they’ve been doing for quite some time now. The Phillies recently indicated they are willing to move their third baseman as well as some other players. [Andy Martino]
  • Ownership has a “strong desire to reinforce this team and find a way to get in the playoffs,” said Brian Cashman. The Soriano trade is a prime example of that. [Bryan Hoch]

251 Comments»

  1. Nate says:

    Wonder if the Giants would listen on Kung Fu Panda?

  2. JLC 776 says:

    Hunter Pence? Ugh… http://phillysportslive.com/wp.....gazine.jpg

    Young would be a nice move, but Ruben Amaro Jr will ratchet up the asking price immeasurably – especially considering the Red Sox are also interested.

    I honestly wouldn’t be too upset if the Sox get him but end up overpaying.

    • The Bastard says:

      Pence is ugh, but Young would be good? What are you looking at?

      This is where looking at WAR helps. Young is below replacement level. If you want a righty DH-only call up Ruiz.

      • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

        NO, you want a 3B that is better than Nix/Adams/Nunez/a bag of sand. That’s where Young is of value. Also plays 1B, because Loverbay every night is seizure inducing, especially against LHP.

        And Pence would be in an already overcrowded outfield. Again, real nice player, but you may as well be looking for a 2B while you’re at it.

        This is where looking at WAR common sense helps.

        • trr says:

          Young would certainly be the most common sense solution to the team’s biggest whole, if the price is agreeable

        • The Bastard says:

          Young is a terrible 3B, he’ll give back as many runs as he generates. That’s where:

          WAR = common sense

          • tmoney says:

            but the whole point is he would be an upgrade over what we have at third. Pence may not be an upgrade with granderson coming back.

          • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

            You ignore the positional need because Pence is a better hitter, but not at a position of need. Young, while not being the savior at 3B is better than anything they’ve trotted out at 3B this season.

            YES, Pence is a better player than Young. But NO, he is not a fit for the need of this team. WAR would say go get Pence, but he is NOT NEEDED right here right now. Common sense would say get the 3B instead of the outfielder.

            • OldYanksFan says:

              I understand your point, but it’s a matter of degree. Because Young is so bad with the glove, he has had a NEGATIVE WAR in 2012 and 2013. Nix actually has better numbers!

      • JLC 776 says:

        Yes, Pence is a better player than Young. However, we don’t need another outfielder, but we need at least a replacement level 3B – pretty desperately, in fact.

        So unless a trade for Pence involves a third team where we’re making some actual room for him (or shuffling Pence himself to), then ‘ugh’ to Pence.

        • JLC 776 says:

          Wow – big time refresh lag there. Just trying to defend my own comment and there’s already about ten others defending it for me.

          Thanks, all.

  3. Vinnie says:

    Kuroda for Addison Russell.. Make it happen.

    I dont see us competing until 2015 and Kuroda is likely to retire by then.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      1. How is 2 games out of the WC ‘not competing’?
      2. Would YOU trade a player like Russell for Kuroda?

      • Harris says:

        The Blue Jays traded D’Arnaud and Syndergaard for RA Dickey… so yes that would be a fair asking price.

        • Gonzo says:

          Can you think of a deal that happened during the deadline that’s more appropriate?

          • Brian S. says:

            Cliff Lee for Smoak and friends?

          • Vinnie says:

            @ Gonzo — Greinke for Segura is pretty freggin similar.

            @ Former ACE — Selling Kuroda isn’t going to be a popular move from the fans perspective but for the well being of the team moving forward to be able to identify a SS with pop for the next few years would be great.

            • Gonzo says:

              Greinke is similar but Segura was a borderline top 50 prospect at the time and Russell is a consensus top 20 prospect. Keith Law has him as the #6 prospect in the game. Big difference in my opinion.

              • vinnie says:

                Addison Russell – BBA & MLB pre2013 – 48th
                Jean Segura – BBA & MLB pre2012 – 55th

                It’s a very similar deal.

                • Gonzo says:

                  Check the updated mid-season rankings. Those are the ones that were updated right before the Segura trade went down and right before this trade deadline. Very different deals.

        • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

          Yeah, but Dickey was carrying hardware (NL Cy Young) over the border. And the Blue Jays were in ‘drunken sailor spend mode’… AND I don’t think Dickey had a NTC to contend with.

          Slightly different situation, but I can see where you were going on that.

  4. Pseudoyanks says:

    My trade proposals suck but since I’m in Sell Mode, probably not as much as those in Buy Mode.

  5. The Bastard says:

    Ownership has a “strong desire to reinforce this team and find a way to get in the playoffs,” said Brian Cashman.

    Heh. Right. They were saying the same damn thing this winter. How has turned out?

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      It turned out that we’re within 2 1/2 games of the playoffs in late july.

      DISASTER.

      • The Bastard says:

        Yeah, this team has legs for the post-season. What are you smoking to think they could compete in October?

        • Winter says:

          Anyone that makes it to October can win in October. It’s a crapshoot that comes down to being hot at the right time.

          • The Bastard says:

            BS. That’s the BS that MLB wants cities to believe. It’s not true. This Yankees team is no where close to true contention. They showed that last year too. This year is no surprise.

            • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

              You’re right. The Giants were primed to win with ZERO offense in 2012. Had nothing to do with them getting hot in October.

            • JLC 776 says:

              Last year the Yankees won 14 out of 16 games with a rather injury depleted lineup. Against the Tigers, Braves, Nationals, and Mets. While one of those teams were made of pathetic chumps, Detroit, Atlanta, and Washington all made the playoffs. One of those teams made the World Series and another one was within a couple of outs of making the World Series.

              Anyway, my point is, the ‘pathetic Yankees of last year’ sure were hot enough during a long enough stretch to look like the best team in baseball.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          “strong desire to reinforce this team and find a way to get in the playoffs”

          2 1/2 games out of the playoffs: close enough to be “trying to find a way” into the playoffs.

          Regardless of what I believe or am smoking, I don’t believe I said, anywhere, that they could “compete” in October. Read my damn response, ass.

          • The Bastard says:

            So playing a one game playoff is something worth trading talent for, moron? Of course not. But that’s where your idiocy leads you. For one extra game? Yeah, I’d say you’re either smoking something or brain damaged. I’m guessing the latter now.

            • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

              Yes, to me it is. Maybe I am the idiot as well for wanting to see my team trade some non-elite prospects for players that could give them a chance to play in October.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              Bastard: Says something.
              Jim: Refutes statement, adds nothing more to conversation.

              Bastard: Makes up shit Jim said so that Bastard sounds more intelligent.

              Who in God’s name are you talking to? I said none of anything your attributing to me.

            • JLC 776 says:

              Yes.

              Take the bird in hand. If we hold onto our talent and go into full rebuild mode, there is no guarantee we’ll see October baseball in the next twenty years.

      • radnom says:


        It turned out that we’re within 2 1/2 games of the playoffs

        And only 5 games over .500.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          Again, totally and completely irrelevant.

          Office: We will do what we can to try and make the playoffs.
          Yankees: 2 1/2 games out of a playoff spot, well within range of “trying” to get into the playoffs.

          Bastard: “HAHA THEY LIED”
          Me: Points out that we’re close to a playoff spot, never said anything about how good we are, how well constructed we are, how good we’ll be in october, or anything.

          • The Bastard says:

            Yeah, being a below .500 club by Pythag is irrelevant. Get bent and crawl back to Lohud. Problem is, this joint has turned into LoHud.

            Bbut, bbbbut, but, we’re two games from playing a one game elimination!!!

            Idiot.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              Wow. From now on you merit only one response. You figure out what that is.

            • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

              Jim’s been here longer than you, dude. And of the two, you are the one sounding irrational, IMO

              • The Bastard says:

                Says the guy who also wants them competing in a one game elimination game, only to get their asses handed to them, i.e. just like 2012.

                To the point, that moron thinks being a .500 team is irrelevant. Idiocy is the only way to describe that thought.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                  Like a poet’s … mind for … to make the perfect words.

                • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

                  Yeah, I would rather waltz into the playoffs every year. Who wouldn’t?

                  But, if the choice is between fighting for a playoff spot (even if its year over year) or becoming the Royals in hopes that every prospect we trade for during SELL SELL SELL mode becomes Jeter or Pettitte… well, give me the former, thanks.

                  (This is where Bastard calls me a moron)

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Yeah, being a below .500 club by Pythag is irrelevant.

              It actually is because the wins are the in the bank. What happened and what was supposed to happen are two different things.

              Problem is, this joint has turned into LoHud.

              It’s worse because of idiots like you.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                I actually find this guy relatively easy to ignore, but thank you, Mike.

              • OldYanksFan says:

                I consider repeatedly calling someone a moron and idiot to be personal attacks. Please make this site less Lohud-ish by banning The Bastard.

                Nobody will miss him.

  6. I know I am one of the few in BuyBuy Buy mode.

    Mike, thoughts on maybe Michael Morse or Howie Kendrick? I’m not sure either are up for sale but might be an interesting way to look. It gets Kendrick out of our hair. :P

    • mustang says:

      Please dude I’m right there with you 2 games out of a spot with the Yankees pitching. I learn a long time ago if they have a good chance go for it because you never know when they get another chance.

    • Gonzo says:

      I’m a buy guy too.

    • tmoney says:

      morse would be a good fit as a 1b or DH but not in the OF

      • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

        I can sign off on him as an OF/DH… counterpoint, people said the same about Ibanez, and he was a fantastic security blanket.

        Wasn’t the prettiest in the field, but he was a warm body and you didnt have to go out and rush out when Gardner went down and sign an over the hill former superstar to ….. oh

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I think Kendrick would be way beyond what I’m willing to give up but, goddamn, that would look nice for the run.

  7. mustang says:

    “The Phillies plan on calling up third baseman Cody Asche today, tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan. That points to Young being traded today”

    Yankees please.

    • The Bastard says:

      Dear God, no, why? He’s not a 3B any longer.

      Talk about an immobile left side. Neither Jeter nor Young have even two steps any longer. They might as well move Cano to the SS-side of 2B. Play a shift on all righties…

  8. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Gardner, Ichiro, Wells, Soriano, and coming soon Granderson… OK, I got to know, what the hell would Girardi end up doing with a SIXTH outfielder? Plus guys like Zolio, Mesa, Neal. I like Pence and all, but goddam.

  9. fabricio says:

    I hope the yankees get Young I believe if we get him and then the grandyman we’ll have a much bigger shot at the playoffs

  10. LuJArnold says:

    OT; Mike- Have you ever looked into setting comment links to open in a new tab? Makes it easier to pick up where you’ve left off when you return.

    • Ed says:

      Suggestion: try middle-click or ctrl-click on the link.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      You can do that without needing a setting like that. On my Mac, command-click opens in a new tab, and I think it’s ctrl-click on PC but I forget.

  11. Sean says:

    Mike, you don’t count the Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte trade as a notable trade? Nady had a 143 OPS+ at the time of the trade and Marte had a 121 ERA+ with 47 k’s in 46.2 innings. Pretty impactful duo right there.

  12. Dr. TJ Eckleberg says:

    I don’t know what all the Michael Young hate is about. Maybe I’m missing something (I’m not too proud to admit if I am), but I see he has a WRC+ of 106, and a slightly positive WAR. That may mean league average all together when you factor his putrid defense with his passable offense, but you aren’t replacing a league average player. You’re replacing the shitshow that has been Adams/Nix/Lillibridge/Gonzales. I’m pretty sure that’s an upgrade. I wouldn’t mind giving up another Corey Black type of prospect for that.

    Or, if we’re dealing, put something else into the package and get Chooch. That’s two upgrades, with Granderson coming back soon. That lineup looks much more formidable. I really think that a couple 8-15 prospects get that done.

    I’m still marginally in the sell camp, but I don’t mind buying if we can get those kinds of players with players that don’t have a high probability of making it to the majors.

    • The Bastard says:

      Because his defense sucks. He’s not a 3B for this team, and certainly not with Jeter’s statue playing SS.

    • Wolfgang's Fault says:

      You don’t even have the slightest grasp of what a “Corey Black type of prospect” is, so of course, 8-15 more just like him is fine & dandy w/you. Me thins you been blowin’ too much chooch, Lucy!

  13. Eddard says:

    Hunter Pence? How many outfielders are they going to acquire? Their biggest needs are C, 3B, RH 1B. Ownership will need to take charges since Cashman just wants to throw in the towel in Mo’s last year. Hal knows what he’s doing. He already won us one ballgame on Sunday.

  14. improve says:

    Lotta people talking about selling or buying I don’t buy into either. Yankees need to get better / upgrade certain areas of the team. By buying some players and making trades makes them better and less to do in the off season. You have to sell to get something in return, cannot fill all holes in one off season, see what’s out there, stop with the replacement players and dumpster diving and try to get guys that are more or less every day players.

  15. gbyanks says:

    2 trades come to mind hughes to the dbacks for prado and hughes to the braves for chris johnson. the dbacks 2nd best prosect is a third baseman having a great year in aaa while prado is having a down year and signed for 3 more years at 10 mill per. the braves need a starter and johnson is a bench player for them whos career stats are underwhelming for a corner infielder, and its not like hes a young up and comer.( this idea was when hughes era was in the low 4s and was on a roll pitching wise)

  16. Harris says:

    Michael Young and Justin Morneau please. 1 year deals and neither will cost more than a average prospect.

  17. Dale Symons jr says:

    The yanks need to find the prospects to lure Ruiz and Young from the phillies . Pence is nice but not good enough upgrade in an overcrowded outfield. With the yankees depth at catcher and short relief we certainly have what it takes to get it done if we want to . And don’t you think the organization owes it to Mo to pull out all the stops

  18. Gonzo says:

    Did you guys see the rumor that the Red Sox are willing to do almost anything to get Stanton?

    I think it would hurt if the Sox got Stanton.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      They were also willing to do anything to get Felix Hernandez 3 yrs ago. Hard to blame them, but they are the WORST team in the world at playing close to the vest.

  19. Greg says:

    here is a fun one – Yankees send Cano, Nova and Pineda to the Angels for Aybar, Kendrick and Trumbo. Angels send Cano to the Dodgers for M. Ellis, Z. Lee and Pederson. Yankees move Jeter to 3B. Yankees have a whole new infield. Angels get a whole new pitching staff. Dodgers get the best 2b in baseball.

    • john says:

      You sir are an idiot

    • mustang says:

      And Jeter lets me stay at his house with his girlfriend for the weekend.

      :)

    • Bo Knows says:

      And the Yankees get worse in that entire scenario, they lose pitching they’ll need next year, to get an inferior 2nd Baseman and an OF who’s only claim is probably as close to a 2 outcome player as you can possibly be.

    • tmoney says:

      ytps why not just send cano to the dodgers for the trio you mentioned? Then the Yankees keep two of their top three stating pitchers signed next season.

    • A.D. says:

      Yanks need pitching back, and realistically Jeter is at SS, Aybar is at 3B.

      Would give the Yanks a tone of right-handedness all of a sudden

  20. mustang says:

    “If Young is being traded, Yankees people say it’s not to them, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. ”

    FUCK ME and DAMN YOU CASHMAN!!!!!

    It’s probably the Sox

    • The Bastard says:

      Heh. I love how this is the non-move to get people to hate Cashman. The guy has been below replacement level for a decade.

      How is his youth movement looking?

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        “How is his youth movement looking?”

        The same or better than ~50% of the other MLB teams.

        You have a fucked up definition of replacement level.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          I see you meant Young, although you’d probably claim the same for Cashman.

        • The Bastard says:

          I judge by others with similar resources. The Red Sox for instance draft at a comparable place. ANd they have a top talent at SS and at CF ready to go. The Braves and Cardinals consistently kick our asses.

          This GM specifically said the days of high price contracts were over. Then he went out and signed only shit players at high prices.

          Nice job adding something here though. Nice job being wither stupid or ignorant.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

            I hope you keep it up, I look forward to your banhammer.

          • Bo Knows says:

            That top talent SS was an international FA, and can you elaborate on the CF?

            Cardinals always draft in 15-22 range, which has allowed them to get players who had fallen for strange reasons but consensus said they were top ten caliber players (Wacha, and Miller being just two examples) Braves have had top 15 picks twice in a 3 year span the guys they selected: Jason Heyward at 14th in 2007 and mike Minor 7th overall in 2009. That said they do well developing pitching.

            Yankees consistently pick last in the first round or don’t pick until the 2nd round, they have done that for 20 years that is going to eventually hurt a team.

            • Bubba says:

              Please stop making sense. You are adding nothing to the conversation. It is well known that the Yankees are horrible at just about everything except handing out obscene contracts to over the hill players. You know nothing John Bo.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              This just reads as “Cashman failed” on my screen.

              *bangs on monitor*

          • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

            Jackie Bradley is top talent? NO ONE knew about him in February. He had a hot spring, came up to the bigs and got shellacked.

    • mustang says:

      “Young will only approve a trade back to the Rangers, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. ”

      DAMN YOU YOUNG!!!

      Sorry Cash nothing , but love for you man.

      • Pat D says:

        Yea, that says it all about him. And some of you wondered why I didn’t want any part of that fucker.

        • Darren says:

          I’m all for hating any particular payer for any reason or no reason, but I’m not sure how you can fault Michael Young for wanting to go to a team that (a) he used to be on, (b) is doing better than the Yankees, (c) is in contention, (d) doesn’t have the impending Arod circus.

          Ok fine they have a nelson Cruz circus, but football camp just started, nobody cares. /Hamilton’d

  21. Vern Sneaker says:

    Didn’t get a chance to comment on the last thread, but this is exactly a “stuck in the middle” issue. It’s seems to me that I’ve been missing the words “win a championship” in many if not all of the comments lately. The types of trades being discussed above, which will require losing good prospects, will not bring back the kind of players for building a championship roster. Cano would. The way management is heading feels to me like we’ll end up with a somewhat improved but not championship club. For that we need better starting pitching, a catcher,a third baseman, and more power,at minimum, and that assumes Jeter is okay for a year or two. None of that will be available from the farm system for at least two years but we ought to build towards that with a Cano trade and holding on to our top prosepcts, especially Sanchez.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      How would trading Cano ensure a championship roster this season on a team currently 2.5 games out of the WC? The move made should be one that helps the team overcome those 2.5 games, not move them further from it.

      • Wolfgang's Fault says:

        The entire point of dealing Robbie, if that is the direction decided, is to forgo/sacrifice the mostly unrealistic minuscule chance at winning this year in order to retool and rebuild so the club can realistically compete (& win) in the not too distant future & for many years to come. The entire direction they choose to take is predicated on what they decide w/regard to Robbie. Either they get a deal done with him now, wait ’til the off-season where he’ll have the hammer in negotiations & either extorts more from them than he’s worth or walks, or they deal him now & get more than a draft pick for him. He’s the foundation guy the team should be building on imo, but if they can’t come to an agreement on dough & years, deal him now and everyone else who doesn’t fit into their future & rebuild the ball club. They’ve gotta be out of their minds to let Robbie enter the F/A market.

  22. Jim Cavanaugh says:

    Yeah Pence i don’t get, that move makes no sense at all. A Catcher should be 1st on the list and then a corner infielder. Surprisingly, they have stayed w/in shouting distance so if you shore up those two spots and get Granderson back you give yourself a shot & honestly they have to go for it, cause the league is wide open this year.

  23. mitch says:

    While we’re talking about PHI trades, what about John Mayberry jr? He’s played some 1B over the years. Might not be a bad platoon with Overbay

  24. Frank says:

    Cashman will play the “we got Jeter and Granderson back, and that’s better than any trade” card to explain why the Yanks do nothing by tomorrow. And, it’s the right move.

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      I agree with Cashman in this case.

      I’d be very leery about throwing good money after bad. I’d rather hold onto my prospects and miss the playoffs than trade them away compromising the future and eek into the playoffs only to be smoked in the wild card game or 1st round.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        “I’d be very leery about throwing good money after bad.”

        Me too.

        I just think there’s a middle ground where you can still try to win this year without mortgaging the future.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          There is, and there also needs to be a market that is able to meet that. If there are vets that can get the job done between now and Octobe, and are available for less than our top MiLB guys, then the team should jump. Young was one of those guys. There are signs that’s not happening, though, so perhaps there’s someone else who’ll fit that mold and can outproduce Brett Fucking Lillibridge and Jayson Nix.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

            Well even if such a market doesn’t exist, wait and see is still one such strategy. Pray that Granderson comes back on fire, Jeter plays like he did last year, Gardner and Cano keep their acts together, CC pitches at least average moving forward, etc.

            Maybe not the most optimal strategy long term, but it still fits in with trying to win and not quitting on next year.

          • Wolfgang's Fault says:

            Yeah, so who the fuck are “our top MiLB guys?” Despite all the hype and press, no one really knows. You don’t know squat about what most of these guys can be & either do I. I do know you don’t deal 21 year old pitchers who casually throw 95mph+ heat for over the hill outfielders w/their best days behind them. When you don’t really know what you’ve got, you hold onto it ’til you do, & then you only deal them when you know the guy you’re getting is better than the one you’re dealing. The only exception to this rule is when you need that one or two guys that guarantees to put you over to win it all. That’s not even closely the case here. Besides, unless & until they resolve the Robbie issue, there is no “right” thing to do. If you keep Robbie, they still need to find the right players to surround him with. If they can’t or choose not to sign him, they’ve basically got bupkis at the big league level & they have the luxury of rebuilding the entire foundation & club. Either way, what they should or shouldn’t do is inextricably linked to the Cano decision.

  25. fabricio says:

    ken rosenthal is saying that Young will only approve a trade back to the rangers

  26. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Young only willing to approve a trade to the Rangers. Ass.

    Who else is there for third that’s a realistic target?

    • Brian S. says:

      Matt Davidson

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Can’t see how a guy with no MLB experience helps out playing every day in the stretch run. Nice numbers, though.

        • Brian S. says:

          Well he’s blocked by Prado so I figure he’s as realistic a target as any at this point.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Oh, I’d love to find a way to get a guy like that. I’d also like someone who can get the job done for the stretch run, which I can’t see how you can count on a prospect to do.

          • gbyanks says:

            I actually think prado is more likely hes not having a great year and isnt cheap while the guy below him is a top prospect hitting well in aaa and with be cost controlled for 6 years

        • gbyanks says:

          i would love to get Davidson hes would automatically be our best prospect.

    • mustang says:

      “In contrast, Scott Miller of CBS Sports says Red Sox people believe Young would approve a trade there. The Phillies checked in with Young over the weekend about the Rangers and Red Sox.”

      Fuck does anyone else feel like a step child.

    • Kosmo says:

      A few I came up with:
      Placido Polanco
      Arasmis Ramirez
      Neftali Soto 1B/3B
      Chase “Longshot“ Headley

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Looks like a fairly boring deadline if you ask me. If i was teams like the Phillies, Brewers, Marlins, Astros, Padres, and others as well, i’d be loading up on prospects.

  27. Kosmo says:

    I thought I read the other day that Young has a no-trade clause so he can pretty much select the teams he´s willing to be traded to. I´d say the Yanks are still in on Young. Pence would be great. Granderson could share DH and LF with Soriano. Yanks could DFA Hafner and April Wells.
    Giants greatest needs are SP and OF prospects.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Hope so.

      I really only care about 3B and/or C (don’t even need both – just address one and I’ll deal with a suckhole at the other) at this point.

      • nsalem says:

        Chris Nelson

      • Brian S. says:

        If we’re going for it we need a third baseman. We can live with Romine/Stewart while waiting on Cervelli and Murphy.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Yeah, I can live with that and Overbay being the weaker spots in the lineup if we can get better at third. Bat Ichiro 9th and, once Curtis is back, the 1-5, plus Ichiro at 9, will look a hell of a lot better.

      • mitch says:

        I think a guy who can hit lefties and play 1st is pretty important as well and a much easier hole to fill.

  28. mustang says:

    Being on MLB trade rumors right now makes feel like the kid who is watching all the other kids pick out their favorite ice cream while my mom is dragging my ass home.

  29. Kosmo says:

    I guess we can cross out Young from the wishlist.
    Updated 3B who might be available:
    Albert callaspo
    Placido Polanco
    Arasmis Ramirez
    Neftali Soto 3B/1B
    Chase “No Chance“ Headley

  30. Nathan says:

    How about pitching? Rotation right now isn’t very good and is questionable for next year.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      This will be considered blasphemy but it’s the truth. In fact the entire team has a variety of holes next year.

      • Nathan says:

        Yup.

        CC – Under contract, hasn’t been good this year.
        Kuroda – This year’s ace, not under contract.
        Pettitte – I’m guessing he retires
        Hughes – Very likely gone. Not sure I’d even want to make an offer.
        Nova – ???

        So I mean what is that a rotation of next year? CC, Phelps, Nova, and two others?

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Pineda for one. You can live with a scrub as a 5th starter but that’s not a playoff caliber rotation regardless.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          My guess is Kuroda comes back and Pineda round out the five, with Banuelos and Ramirez waiting in the wings. It’s not the dynasty rotation, but that rotation could very well hold its own.

          If Kuroda leaves, then I’d assume someone else would be brought in.

        • JLC 776 says:

          I know everyone is sick of my optimism for him, but I still say you keep Hughes.

          Guy has a near 3.00 ERA outside of YS3. I know it might be a win-win for Hughes and the Yanks to trade him to a better environment, but I really think he’s a good gamble. Yeah, he’s going to look like ass every once in a while, but he keeps you in a lot of games, too.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            The solution is simple, then: Place the pitcher’s mound OUTSIDE the stadium. Should help to build up arm strength as well.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        Not blasphemy at all. There are legit concerns moving forward.

        Even if Nova’s for real, who’s here next year? CC/Nova/Phelps? If God is good Kuroda too? That rotation won’t inspire a lot of confidence.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          And Pineda. Duh.

          Still, if Nova isn’t this new incarnation, if Phelps is a 5 era guy…

  31. Kevin G. says:

    Why do people still holding on to the notion that the Yankees should sell? Any chance of the Yankees selling went out the window when the Yankees acquired Soriano(whether the right strategy or not.)

    • Kevin G. says:

      *are people

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Because regardless of possibility it’s the best move long term for this team. Unless they plan on scrapping 189 million I’d love to see how they can manage winning with the farm as it currently stands now.

  32. It’s pretty funny how Michael Young will only go back to Texas when Texas basically told him to get lost during the off-season.

    Guess he’s content remaining on a sinking ship.

  33. Dro413 says:

    I hope my Yanks acquire Michael Young!!

  34. I have to laugh a ton at the Tigers trading for Jose Veras to be their closer.

    Hey, Veras might’ve finally turned a corner. But when I think of Jose Veras, I think about a former crappy middle reliever for the Yankees. So forgive me while I snicker at him being the Tigers closing saviour.

  35. DR says:

    Just got a twitter last week, and I already see its usefulness when trying to keep track of all these trade rumors. Rather than checking numerous sites several times a minute, I get one nice feed of rumors.

    Hopefully the Yanks make a nice pick-up or two.

    • CTRob says:

      Yeah, I was considering getting into it too, for the exact same reason. I would never tweet a damn thing myself, but it would be a valuable source of news etc.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      I started using Twitter last year at the trade deadline, and it was great for that, but I haven’t used it for anything else since then except commuter train updates.

  36. John says:

    I can’t help but think the Yankees make no significant move and maybe a few small moves. I just don’t see what we have to get any significant move done.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Depends on what kind of player. My assumption is that the team has more than enough to get a Young type even without giving up top pieces. If what you want is an elite-level player than, yeah, you’re probably S.O.L. there.

  37. Dro413 says:

    I had a feeling that Kevin Youkilis was going to be a bust.

  38. Leg-End says:

    Brian Wilson on a minor league deal to the Dodgers. This past year or so, it feels like the Dodgers pretty much signed anything that moved.

  39. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards says:

    So no shot of Musty gettin’ a chance to show what he can do at 3rd?

  40. Al says:

    Try to buy low on Ryan Doumit in Minnesota?-Switch hitter who plays Catcher, 1B & corner OF.

    He’s no 3B, but he still fills holes & can provide rests for guys with his versatility. He’s having a down year but has a decent track record with the bat. Not much of a lefty masher, however. Stronger from the left side of the plate vs RH.

    I wouldn’t mind us carrying a guy like him who can be a 3rd Catcher option while also holding down other positions. It would be nice to have the ability to pinch hit for Stewart or Romine in big, late-inning situations. Whether its him off the bench, or someone else pinch hitting. When he starts, and we move him to C, from another position, for the remainder of the game; while still having a catcher on the bench.

  41. JoJoB says:

    Nunez/Hughes/Prospect for Terdoslovich/Pastornicky?

  42. Captain says:

    Young going back to the Rangers is kinda funny after the issues he’s supposedly had with the FO with position changes.

    also seems like the Phillies not looking to move Papelbon is odd. keeping Lee and keeping the idea of going for it and staying in the hunt (however shortsighted it actually is) can be understood but Papelbon would’ve been a good piece to try and move and get something worthwhile back.

  43. JLC 776 says:

    Wow, I was wrong earlier. THIS thread is much angrier!

  44. Frank says:

    Here’s a crazy idea…how about trading for Howie Kendrick to play second and moving Cano to third? I know it would never happen, but I would only sign cano to a Long term deal if he was moved to third and if he left, kendrick is insurance. You’re either set at 2B & 3B next year or you only need one of them at the worst. Makes sense to me…although wouldn’t ever happen b/c makes too much sense.

    • Oy says:

      Why would Angels trade Kendrick? He makes a shit ton of sense for the Yankees, but there is no reason why Angels would deal him. They are constructed to compete next year, Kendrick is still under control for two years.

      Unless Yankees give them MLB pieces, like Robertson and Phelps/Nova, along with prospect(s). Which defeats the purpose as there will just be ore holes to plug.

      • Angels are listening for now from what I hear on their infielders (Callaspo, Kendrick and Aybar).

        Yankees could eat that contract.

        • Oy says:

          I’ve seen that Dodgers and Angels had talks about Kendrick. If Angels do end up dealing him, there will be many teams ahead of the Yankees with better offers.

          You don’t trade for a top 5 offensive 2B with out necessity of a second baseman. You can’t just to stick him to first. Detroid, LA and Oakland could all use 2B production, they would blow Yankees away with their packages.

    • I would sign Kendrick for 1B not 2B unless Cano gets a day off or DH day.

      Kendrick has played 1B before and it would work.

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        His bat wouldn’t play there long term. It would for this season, obviously, because NYY’s other options are so bad.

  45. JLC 776 says:

    What are the general thoughts on Young now that there seems to be some drama forming around him.

    Specifically, the guy is on a team that has very visibly and publicly thrown in the towel. Guys like Papelbon actively want out. But here’s Young now saying he’ll block any trades unless it’s to Texas.

    I get that the guy has a preference, but if you’re a competitor at heart, don’t you just want to get out of Philly and onto a team with October hopes?

    Maybe I’m reading too much into it and it’s just RAJ posturing to get more out of the Red Sox (which he’s famous for).

  46. Oy says:

    I’d be glad if Cashman is trying to pry Kevin Frandsen away from Amaro. Perfect bench piece who’s under control until 2016. He would be starting at 3B daily for New York, and would be the Cano-signs-elsewhere insurance for next two years.

  47. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Ken Rosenthal(@Ken_Rosenthal)

    Source: Bonifacio #BlueJays player most likely to move, but team mostly quiet. Jays also shopping Melky, per @BNightengale on @MLBNetwork.

    I know inter-division trades are unlikely, but if you squint, can you see a deal for Bonafacio? I know he’s kinda sucked this season, but… AdamsNixNunez

  48. dontshushme says:

    dear trade deadline, I’m bored

  49. i Collect Brett Gardner Cards says:

    via MLBTR:

    3:27pm: The Yankees have renewed interest in Rios, tweets MLB.com’s Scott Merkin, though he’d have to approve a trade. On Friday, Rios bristled at the suggestion he’d rejected potential a deal to the Yanks.

    Why?

    • Oooooo says:

      I’m with you. Why? I mean at this point where the hell would be play? You have Ichiro (who is hitting well and playing his typical outstanding defense) Gardner, Soriano (who could take role of DH more often when Granderson returns in the coming week) and the aforementioned Granderson and then Vernon Wells as your depth. That’s five older(not withstanding Gardner), but good options under the circumstances. I think the Yanks would be better vested in a platoon player for Overbay or once again, I solid someone for 3rd. Plus the Yanks have young guys who could break camp next season. I don’t know, but Rios makes no sense at this point. Last week, sure…

  50. Rick says:

    Apparently the Yanks and White Sox may be talking Rios again
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ios-1.html
    I personally wouldn’t want him. Though with this team currently constructed you can’t be too picky

    • Zanath says:

      I think he’d be a decent addition to the team in a vacuum but my question is, where does he play? The OF is pretty booked so I’m not sure how he helps the team based on the current roster.

  51. Oooooo says:

    I rather just hang onto Wells at this point. He’s a good guy for the clubhouse. He’s been here all year. A solid option off the bench, free (for the most part) next year and still plays a solid defense. Rios would be a marginal upgrade, cost money next year, potentially block one of our young guys and or, block us from making a better OF move in the offseason.

  52. Justin says:

    I would love for them to see if Mark Reynolds is available. I really hate the fact he’s barely batting over the Mendoza line, but he could platoon with Overbay and he is a former third baseman as well. Would add some pop to the lineup.

    • Don’t think the Indians are sellers.

    • RetroRob says:

      The Indians are playing well. They’re buyers, not sellers, although I suppose if we could provide them with something they need more than Reynolds, then a deal could come about.

      Problem is he is a DH. He maybe the worst defensive 3B’man in the game to such a degree that any value he delivers with the bat is countered by this glove. That’s hard to do, but he does it.

  53. Adam says:

    I’m not expecting them to do anything except MAYBE add one bat who’s a marginal major leaguer. They definitely won’t go out and get a catcher, IMO. Then we’ll get the usual BS from Cashman about how there was nobody available and the team will have to tread water the rest of the way until Granderson comes back.

    • BFDeal says:

      Usual BS? Have you been following the trade market at all or do you just pull statements out of your ass?

  54. EndlessJose says:

    How is the Yankees not on Justin Morneau. He fills first and will hit in this ballpark.

  55. trundergoat says:

    maybe they move soriano back to third. he started his career over at third base. Or we can just not get alex rios. with granderson coming back the outfield is already full.

  56. YankeeTX says:

    You know … we hear all this talk about PED’s and we then start talking about the hitters. I am curious if these mysterious drops in several pitcher’s velocity the last few years is linked somehow ?

  57. Ca$hman says:

    The Yankees should trade for Nick Castellanos and go with him at 3rd, sounds crazy but what would it take

  58. D23 says:

    I disagree in getting Young. Rios doesn’t quite fit the need now but does for next year. Best trade is not to make any trade except find takers for Joba. Phil Hughes I hang on and make qualifying offer so hopefully another team takes in via FA and we get supplemental first round pick.

    Callaspo makes more sense. 30 year old switch hitter and provides us insurance for next year over Nix and Nunez. The guy is having a solid season particularly in the last 3 weeks. Plus it may cost us a Joba.

  59. cheddar says:

    Has Soriano ever played 1st? Even if he hasn’t, considering his past infield experience, isn’t he a viable option?

    If he is, I think that gives us a lot more flexibility in looking to acquire an OF/DH bat.

  60. Kibbles 'n Vicks says:

    What would Kendry’s Morales cost in terms of prospects? It sure would be nice to land him and also make a play for Alberto Callaspo. This would fill two needs, and also give us two switch hitters that are both better from the right side.

    CF- Gardner
    SS- Jeter
    2B- Cano
    1B- Morales
    LF- Granderson
    DH- Soriano
    RF- Ichiro/Wells
    3B- Callaspo
    C- Stewart

  61. OldYanksFan says:

    Loverboy has a .544 OPS against LHP.
    The market sucks, but is it that hard to find a platoon RHB 1Bman?
    This seems like the easiest hole to fill.

  62. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Crickets on Callaspo? I’ve said this on about 95% of the more mid-range targets, but I’d certainly be game there.

    Anything that extends this lineup more and doesn’t give us a chasm of suckness from 7-9 is welcome.

  63. Mr. Roth says:

    I still wonder what it would take to get Trumbo from LAA. I think his RH power would play really well at Yankee Stadium and the guy really doesn’t have any real lefty righty split. He definitely has his flaws, but it would certainly be an upgrade over Overbay.

  64. CashmanNinja says:

    I think the Yanks should be heavily in on Michael Morse. He could platoon with Overbay at 1st and shift between OF and DH. He’s always been much better against lefties and would fit this team so well. I wanted him in the off-season, but oh well. If we could get him for a decent deal I would be all for targeting him. He fits this team more than someone like Rios because of his ability to play 1st base and outfield. He’s a great fit, but chances are the price tag will be too high.

    At the very least we should go hard after Callaspo. His contract makes it so it shouldn’t take too much to get him if we absorb it. Something like Joba and then a very low level guy (most likely a player to be named later) could get it done.

  65. Kibbles 'n Vicks says:

    Mike Morse would also be another Solid addition. What kind of package would the mariners demand?

  66. cheddar says:

    Based on the Cards’ reported interest Ramirez, Rollins, and now Aybar, I think we’d be foolish to not at least ask what they’d give us for Cano.

    • Bronx Bombers23 says:

      Agreed. What would it hurt?

      I swear, I can’t believe the players we’re pursuing. We should be moving who we can, not adding more veterans. This team needs an infusion of young, cheap talent in the worst way.

      • cheddar says:

        Yup. I’m 60/40 in favor of selling. The 40 comes from the purely selfish fact that I really don’t want to give up on this season yet.

        But if we traded Cano for a legit haul, then I’d be all for moving Kuroda, DRob, etc., in a serious rebuilding effort.

    • Gonzo says:

      All those guys play SS. That’s the position of need for them not 2b.

  67. Kibbles 'n Vicks says:

    VS LHP

    CF Gardner 104wRC+
    SS Jeter 157wRC+ (2012)
    2B Cano 111wRC+
    1B Morse 160wRC+
    DH Soriano 122wRC+
    LF Grandy 104wRC+ (2012)
    RF Ichiro 126wRC+
    3B Callaspo 108wRC+
    C- YIKES

    Vs RHP

    CF Gardy 116wRC+
    SS Jeter 100wRC+ (2012)
    2B Cano 153wRC+
    LF Grandy 123wRC+ (2012)
    1B Overbay 114wRC+
    DH/RF Soriano 90wRC+
    RF/DH Morse 87wRC+
    3B Callaspo 83wRC+
    C- Meh….

  68. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Just sell guys, there’s nothing available.

  69. Gonzo says:

    There goes Peavy to the Red Sox!

  70. Gonzo says:

    Wow, Iglesias to the Tigers. I guess they know their SS is getting suspended.

    • Gonzo says:

      Actually, Iglesias might be a good fit since they have a fire hydrant at 3B. Although Miggy made a nice play today before hurting himself trying to make another nice play.

  71. JGYank says:

    I think Young and Morales would be great fits for us but it seems like Young isn’t going to waive his no trade clause for us. 3B options very limited.

  72. Mike says:

    I can’t believe teams still get suckered into taking Boston’s garbage prospects.

    Boston better be sending one of their good pitching prospects in this deal.

  73. Dreamsdocometrue says:

    Hughes, Nunez and Angelo Gumbs for Headley

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