2013 Trade Deadline Open Thread

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(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

The non-waiver trade deadline is 4pm ET this afternoon, so between now and then there will be a plethora of rumors, speculation, moves, and more. Some of it might even involve the Yankees. I would hope so at least, given their laundry list of needs and spot on the fringes of contention.

Yesterday we learned … not a whole lot. Depending on who you ask, the Yankees may or may not be in the race for Alex Rios, Michael Young, Hunter Pence, and Mike Morse. We do know they are prioritizing a right-handed first baseman to platoon with Lyle Overbay, but that’s really it. They could really use a third baseman, plus the catching position and starting rotation could stand to be upgraded as well. Those are lower priority needs right now. A righty first base bat and third baseman are the top two items on the shopping list.

We’re going to keep track of all the Yankees-related rumors leading up to the deadline right here in this post, so make sure you check back often between now and 4pm. You should come back after that as well; some deals aren’t announced until later in the afternoon. All of the timestamps below are ET.

  • 3:56pm: The Yankees have “nothing of consequence in works.” [Rosenthal]
  • 3:41pm: The Yankees are “not getting traction” in talks with the Phillies about Young. They also spoke to the Braves about Hughes, but they’re unlikely to make a deal. [Buster Olney & Sherman]
  • 2:59pm: New York is optimistic they will have a deal done before the deadline. Deal for who or what? No idea. [Sherman]
  • 2:49pm: The Yankees have received two offers for Phil Hughes and are considering them. No word on the teams or other players involved. [Bob Nightengale]
  • 2:02pm: The team has indeed been told Young is willing to accept a trade to New York, apparently. Back and forth we go. [Mark Feinsand]
  • 1:57pm: The Yankees aren’t getting very far in their search for a third baseman. They don’t have much interest in Placido Polanco, who is very available. [Ken Rosenthal]
  • 1:49pm: Young has still not changed his mind about waiving his no-trade clause to come to the Yankees, but the team remains hopeful about acquiring him. [Andy McCullough & Jon Heyman]
  • 1:31pm: A team official said everything is “all quiet” as of right now. That’s bad. [Sherman]
  • 9:30am: The expectation is that the Yankees will do something today, even if they only flip Joba Chamberlain for a prospect. The team expects Curtis Granderson and possibly Alex Rodriguez to return soon, and they don’t want overlapping parts. [Joel Sherman]
  • The Yankees had their eyes on Alberto Callaspo before he was traded to the Athletics last night. They liked that the switch-hitting infielder was signed through next year ($4.875M) given the uncertainty surrounding A-Rod and the general need for an improved bench. [Sherman]
  • Once the deadline passes, New York will be in great shape to make waiver trades given their spot in the standings. They’ll have a higher waiver priority than the other serious wildcard contenders, giving them a better opportunity to acquire (or block) pieces in August. Some consolation prize. [Buster Olney]


  1. John C says:

    What are the Angels asking for Kendrick? I’d be bold and try and get him with the anticipation of letting Cano walk after the season

    • Joe R says:

      If you’re planning to let Cano walk, dont you have to trade him at the deadline for a couple of good prospects? Especially with how barren the market is for hitting. The haul youd get would be amazing I would think.

      • Jacob the OG says:

        Not if you plan to make one last run with him. I personally pondered the Kendrick idea and I think it fits even if they want to try and retain him, good back up plan and they could always find a spot for him or move Cano over to third a bit earlier than planned to help combat the age decline.

      • Tisha says:

        Yes, if the Yanks don’t really think or plan to cave to Cano’s crazy demands, he needs to dealth today.
        Cashman could get 4 very players today for him . Then make a trade for Kendrick and let him play second until Angelo Grumbs is really in 2016.

    • Mike HC says:

      I would love Kendrick but the Yanks would have to give up a ton. Probably would have to give up at least one of our top few prospects and a couple of other legitimate prospects. Maybe also one of our seemingly endless supply of long men/back end starters.

      • Word off the wire is Kendrick is available for a Major league starter or a ready starter.

        • Mike HC says:

          I would give up one of our back end starters and a lesser prospect or two for Kendrick.

          • Evan3457 says:

            If nothing else, trading for Kendrick would remove a constant irritant from playing the Angels.

            On the other hand, without the Yankees to crush, his BAVG drops 20 points.

        • Tisha says:

          give them Hughes and 2 lower level prospects. Hughes in a bigger park will give up less homeruns and have a lower era.

      • Tisha says:

        sorry he is not the type of player that demands a huge package. Cano is worth more in a deal.

        • Mike HC says:

          I don’t think my hypothetical is all that big of a package. I guess that was just what I would want back from the Yanks if I were to give up Kendrick. If they want less, then I would make the deal.

  2. Jill says:

    I was hoping they could acquire a Catcher and a RH Platoon 1st baseman and maybe look into trading Hughes and Joba. I would be highly disappointed if all they do is move Joba for a low level prospect.

    • Jacob the OG says:

      I figured they would try to flip one of those two (or both due to low value) for Callaspo.

    • tmoney says:

      I see a Morse deal happening today. Dont know why. Just a gut feeling.

      • D$1184 says:

        I agree entirely. Morse makes a lot of sense. He’s the righty hitting 1B platoon option for Overbay that we’ve been talking about (let me check here) all season long or at least since he stopped hitting around the same time Wells and Hafner did in April or May. He can also be an up-grade over Wells in the outfield corners and Wells can be dropped since he’s essentially free next year. Plus, Hughes and Joba could be very effective in Safeco Field.

    • Tisha says:

      trade Hughes, Chamberlain , Cano and Logan

      • D$1184 says:

        If you’re going to trade Cano (unlikely) than you might as well dump Kuroda as well. Look for a Greinke like return.

  3. Nate says:

    The Peavy trade seemed like highway robbery to me. Iglesias stinks.

    • JLC 776 says:

      Wow, I actually lean the opposite way. But I think it was the right move for all parties; Sox needed a pitcher pretty badly and they were going to have to pay a price considering how public Buchholz has been.

    • CP says:

      I think it’s just him name that makes you think that. He’s been injury prone and league average or worse since coming to the AL. And he’s set to make $14M next year and a possible $15M player option in 2015. I assume the Red Sox got him cheap because they’ll take on all of the money.

      • jake says:

        The 15 million option won’t kick in. He’d have to pitch 400 innings. Not going to happen.

        The Red Sox made out like bandits. Peavy certainly has the ability to still be effective. If not, the Sox gave up a piece they didn’t need and will get compensation if Peavy walks after 2014.

        • D$1184 says:

          I don’t know about “didn’t need”. Now Stephen Drew is the starting shortstop and I’ve never understand teams fascination with Drew. He’s never put up good numbers and/or stayed healthy throughout a season. In other words, he’d fit in great on the 2013 Yankees.

    • Jacob the OG says:

      I laughed when I saw it

    • Mister D says:

      I’m with you, Nate. I went from “wow, JB2 and Iglesias is a big overpay” to “oh, come on, Iglesias is the headline” pretty quick.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      See, I thought the Sox gave up the wrong guy for Peavy. One could argue the Sox gave up one of their top positional prospects for the wrong ChiSox pitcher. IMO I would have tried to trade Middlebrooks for Peavy and if Bradley/Iglesias/Bogearts were moving it would have ONLY been for Chris Sale.

    • Tisha says:

      it was. Why do the Red Sox always get away with murder? If it was the Yanks , they ask for your first born son.

  4. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Surprised Callaspo was traded for as much as he was. I wouldn’t have been willing to meet that price. Green was a solid prospect with good production at AAA. What the Yanks would have to whip up in order to meet that would just have not been worth it. You might as well just plug Nuney there then.

    Let’s see what today brings. I except a move to address either 3B, C, or some right-handed help, but the mid-range guys seem to be going for too much and there seem to be some attempts to overreach on other guys by teams that aren’t going to pan out.

    Peavy’s a nice move in helping mitigate some rotation questions for the Sox. Losing Iglesias, no matter which way he’s currently trending, seems steep to me, although I can imagine their hope is that Boegarts pans out. They should be thanking their lucky starts for the L.A. Dodgers. Maybe we’ll be doing the same for Bud Selig at this point next year.

    • JLC 776 says:

      The ‘sellers market’ theory of the second wildcard seems to be holding true.

      I think the Sox overpaid for Peavy as well and I think the Phillies will commit highway robbery of whomever takes Young or Ruiz.

      • Joe R says:

        Overpaid with Iglesias? He’s an all glove (albeit great glove) SS. No slugging and his BA is already coming way back down to earth. I thought they got a great deal

        • JLC 776 says:

          It seems like a popular debate today – and I’ll admit that I don’t know anything about the next SS prospect in the Sox org that might be even better. Like all of these moves, only the future will tell.

          • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

            Everyone LOOOOOVES Xander Bogarts. EVERYONE.

            In fairness, this time last year everyone in Red Sox Nation had Iglecias as the next Ozzie Smith, so I guess its all up to interpretation.

            And when I say this time last year, I actually mean this time last month.

            • JLC 776 says:

              Yeah, he really has fallen off a cliff as of late. But hell, half the people on this blog are begging for the Yankees to “GET YOUNGER!!! ARGAHASDFASF!!!” Alright, here’s a young guy who has maintained a .280 BA for a full year in the bigs!

              But, yeah, you can go too crazy in the opossite direction, too. One great month does not make Ozzie Smith.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Lucky stars, although I’m sure they’ve had their share of lucky stars.

    • A.D. says:

      Agreed on Callaspo definitely not worse the price, though my understanding of Green (which may be wrong) is that he has a decent bat, but no real position and is a work in progress at 2B (or any position)

    • jake says:

      Has anyone actually followed Iglesias career? He’s a 240 minor league hitter. And the sox have a prospect that Iglesias was blocking.

      Peavy may or may not work out, but they gave up almost nothing for him.

    • Tisha says:

      I don’t expect much from Cashman. He’ll use the excuse that the asking price was” too high”.

  5. A.D. says:

    Morse seems like a no brainer, crushing lefties and can play 1B/OF

    • nycsportzfan says:

      agreed 100pct. Morse would be my number 1 priority if i was the Yanks. Maybe stick ur nose in on Bud Norris, because next yrs pitching could be Pineda(who knows about health?), CC(who knows about performance?), and Ivan Nova. Pettitte and Kuroda could both be gone, as well as Hughes, who sucks. Bud Norris is solid pitcher who deserves to pitch on a decent team.

      CC,Pineda,Norris,Nova, and whoever(maybe garza?, Phelps?)

      • Jacob the OG says:

        I think Norris is worth a check in but I would not give up much for him, Nova has a higher potential and guy looks like a AL East blow up IMO

        • nycsportzfan says:

          I’m thinking about next yr mostly. Norris would make a nice middle rotation piece, and then i’d give Dellin Betances a chance at the open closer positon, while also going after David Murphy in FA’cy. Norris completely dominated TB and pitched extremely well against Baltimore this yr. I think hes just a good pitcher, and Kuroda is prooving that the AL East thing is just fodder. If a guy can pitch, he can pitch. Its not like Tampa and Newyork have the scariest lineups in the world.

          • LarryM Fl says:

            Interesting in that you would give Betances a crack at the closer role. To me he’s a 7th inning guy at best because he has not been there thing. Robertson should get first crack out of respect for this body of work. Also D-Rob has to work on pitches per inning. They are way too high for a closer.

            • Mister D says:

              Isn’t he below league average right now (with relievers usually carrying higher than starters)?

              • nycsportzfan says:

                Dellin has been closing games out more recently. Hes got 4saves on the yr and 3 in his last 10appearences. Oh ya, in his last 10games, hes saved 3games with a 0.00ERA and 26k in 16inn. Hes also pithed to a 4-2rec 1.65ERA 4sv 58k in 43.2inn as a reliever. I think hes got closer stuff all day long.

            • nycsportzfan says:

              To me, you have to have a pressence as a closer, and Betances not only has a pressence, but he has blazing heat and a devestating power curve, and seems meant for the Pen. Robertson had a couple lapses when he’d try and earn saves for us in the past, and he coulden’t beat out Raphy Soriano for the job. I think Betances is ready to be a top prospect he once was, now that we discovered where he belongs which is teh pen. That guy coming in, in the 9th just raring back and leaving it all on the field, is a scary propositon for anyone trying to hit off of him. He dosen’t have to save anything, like he would starting.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                There haven’t been many relievers in history with pressence. I’m pretty sure of that.

                • Mister D says:

                  Don’t be a dick. He meant presents.

                • nycsportzfan says:

                  You know what i mean, toolbag. Go bother Mike.A about his misspellings and writing skills, would ya?

                  Talk about baseball or leave me alone.

                  • jjyank says:

                    Hostile work environment!

                  • Pat D says:

                    It’s more entertaining to get on your case, silly.

                    • nycsportzfan says:

                      I come here to talk about yankees. I don’t care about anything else. I don’t have time to go back and fourth about other stuff. I’d rather you leave me alone if your not talking baseball. Thanks.

                    • Pat D says:

                      You haven’t realized by now that it comes with the territory? I get your point, but this is the internet. People act like this, unfortunately.

                      But sometimes you’ve deserved it. No, I can’t think of a specific example right now, but there have been times where you’ve pissed me off either with something you said or just with you general attitude.

                      But I’m no trying to get on your case right now, so I’ll leave you well enough alone.

                • King George says:

                  Spelling errors, really?

              • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

                Betances also has major control issues. MAJOR control issues. Like one day he can shut you down and then not throw a strike for the following week.

                And before you tell me that ‘That’s when he was a starter and he’s cured now in the bullpen’, I would argue that this seems to be as relevant an argument as ‘D-Rob couldn’t beat Raffie Soriano for the open position when the MO got hurt…’ knowing damn well that Robinson went on the DL after 3 saves.

                • nycsportzfan says:

                  Dellin has been utterly brilliant in the pen. Hes been almost perfect with a very high K rate and hes been saving games now for Trip AAA as well. Isn’t the minors to get better and figure out where you belong? Why even take Robertson outta a role hes so good at, and put em in a role hes struggled alittle in limited tries? And did you ever here you don’t lose your job to injury? Welp, Robertson certainly did, and thats because of his struggles as a closer and how good he is as a 8th inning setup guy. I would not mess with a good thing.

                  Again, Betances is brilliant as a reliever, pitching to a 1.65ERA with 4svs(which will go up by seasons end) and a shitload of strikeouts. He was born to close games in NYC.

                  Claiborne in the 7th, Robertson in the 8th, and Betances as the closer. That is what i’d try first and if it don’t work, try something else.

                  • jjyank says:

                    Eh. If you actually think that the Yankees would leapfrog Betances over Robertson, you’re nuts.

                    • nycsportzfan says:

                      Hes not leap frogging anyone. Robertson has his spot in the pen, and hes made himself a all star in doing so.

                    • jjyank says:

                      No…he’d be leapfrogging Robertson. It’s pretty simple.

                    • Mister D says:

                      Young, established 8th inning guys usually become closers when the closer leaves.

                      See: Rivera, M.

                  • handtius says:

                    In Dellin Betances past 10 games he’s walked 10 batters and in 43 innings as a reliever, he’s walked 20. I think he needs to work on his control before you anoint him the closer of the future. Remember, AAA is not the majors. Just look at Adams. I like his bat, but in the majors he’s hitting around the mendoza line and in AAA he was hitting 330 or so. He needs time to mature, just like Betances.

              • D$1184 says:

                It’s not that Robertson couldn’t beat Soriano out for the closer job when Mo went down. Mo went down, Robertson had 2 or 3 chances with mixed results and then he went down and Soriano went took off with brilliant results. By the time Robby got back, there was no need to change what was already working.

                • nycsportzfan says:

                  It dosen’t matter. Your not supposed to lose your job because of injury, and if he didn’t have Mixed results, he’d probably of gotten his job back We all ready know how he is as a 8th inning man, which is brilliant. Betances was a top prospect for a reason, because he has top notch stuff, and blazing heat. Hes got “closer” written all over him. If the 8th inning guy blows the game, no ones closing the game anyhow. I think Dellin may get a chance if he keeps it up and does good in a september call up. And i think he should.

  6. WFAN Caller says:

    If the Yankees do anything today, I hope it says: “NYY send RHP Phil Hughes to _____ for prospects _____ and _____.”

    • dasani says:

      We should only be that lucky

    • Mister D says:

      Ha, those prospects suck.

      • WFAN Caller says:

        They will most definitely suck. But they will suck less than watching Ol’ Slackjaw Hughes serve up beachballs every five days.

        • JLC 776 says:

          Come on now, the guy has a 3.02 ERA this year outside of YS3. BABIP has destroyed him at home due to his penchant for fly balls.

          Yeah, win-win if you send him to a different organization, but the guy has value.

          • Mister D says:

            He’s going to be good and people are going to pretend he cares more or tries harder or Rothschild sucked or Phil couldn’t take the NY pressure or some other stupid narrative when all its going to be the same dude losing one killer HR every other game.

            • Ghost of Joe Dugan says:


              It’s not Hughes’ fault the geniuses that designed YS3 forgot to put a curve in the wall from the foul pole to right center. Hughes has given up 14 HR’s at home and 6 on the road. Of his YS3 HR’s 5 are “just enoughs” which pretty close to average. Considering, however, the dimensions of YS3 not only would some or most of those not have been out of a normal ballpark but some of the “plentys” wouldn’t have been either.

          • WFAN Caller says:

            I never said he doesn’t have value–but no one is going to kick down the door for Phil Hughes. So you deal him for some scratch-offs. He’s gone anyway in two months…

            • JLC 776 says:

              Sorry – wasn’t accusing you of that.

              My fear is that we will do exactly what you imply – we’ll trade him for a bag of balls and the guy will end up pitching like Sandy Koufax in a bigger park. His splits in ‘pitchers parks’ (or even just average parks) are disgusting.

              Safeco (.95 run factor): ERA-.82 IP-22.0
              Arlington (.993): 1.52 23.2
              US Cell (.978): 1.53 17.2

              etc etc… we will trade this guy for crap and it will haunt us for fucking years.

              • WFAN Caller says:

                My solace in situations like this is–Yankee Stadium isn’t changing, so unless team management decides to only pitch him on road trips or moves him to the pen, I won’t miss him too much. The idea of him? Sure. I will miss that. But the reality? No thanks. I’m good.

    • geeps says:

      If the Yankees do anything today, I hope it says: “NYY send RHP Phil Hughes to _____ for prospects _____ and _____.”

      San Fran that are 35 and 39 bench players.

  7. Leg-End says:

    If we come away with any kind of offensive upgrade then I’ll be happy enough, if want to compete this year they need a bat or two and thats just fact, even putting aside Grandy or A-Rod returning.

    If we flip Joba or Hughes for anything of actual value I’ll also be happy.

  8. trr says:

    Overlapping parts…
    I got their overlapping parts right here!

    • Zanath says:

      I hope that’s just bluffing on their part because I really don’t want to believe they are still just counting on A-Rod returning. That would be insanity.

      • D$1184 says:

        That’s one writer’s perspective. I think the Yankees would sooner welcome Mussolini into Yankee Stadium than A-Rod at this point.

  9. mt says:

    From a selfish Yankee perspective i am hoping Bud Selig does not screw this up and go for a lifetime ban. I hope he dings Arod for a 100-150 game drug suspension under the drug agreement. At that point Arod can apeal this year and the suspension will mostly get served next year.If he goes for the “best interests of game” overreach including lifetime ban I believe union including players that detest Arod will defend him and drag it out a long time.

    • Rubin says:

      Braun screwed over the players in accepting his suspension and coming to a deal with the MLB. Really screwed the players over. The Biogenesis guy had no credibility giving the players a huge advantage. Braun just gave him credibility and screwed the players. No way they win any fight.

      • Mike HC says:

        The Players association had a lot to do with that when they basically said they aren’t necessarily going to bat for these biogenesis players either. ARod is going to be fighting on his own.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        How did Boesch have no credibility? I don’t understand that at all. He WAS the main force at Biogenesis. That’s getting info from the horse’s mouth that can easily be backed up by what they found with their investigation.

        Braun did what was right for Braun. I can’t fault him there.

        • Pat D says:

          How does he have no credibility? Because he tried to extort ARod before capitulating to MLB in exchange for hopefully getting MLB to convince others to drop lawsuits against him.

  10. Rubin says:

    Anyone with half a brain knows that A-Rod is not returning and will likely be banned from baseball. The Yankees know that. Sherman has no clue what he is talking about. They are not counting on his return. There counting on him being banned for life or at least suspended through next year.

  11. Mike HC says:

    Any other catcher but Chris Stewart, please.

  12. nycsportzfan says:

    Not for a trade, but a guy i’d be interested in bringing in as a FA after this yr is David Murphy. I feel he’d be really good in Yankee Stadium.

  13. Mouse says:

    This the worst case scenario (just means it will happen):

    1) ARod fights the lifetime suspension and wins. The Yankees stuck with an often injured declining old player with a huge contract for next 5 years.
    2) Texeira continues his steady performance declines but they have to play him everyday because of his contract.
    3) CC also declines and becomes a mediocre pitcher despite being paid like an ace. Injuries from years of wear and tear beginning to occur with more frequency.
    4) Andy Pettitte retires for real next year.
    5) Kuroda disappointed and fed up with the team decides to move onto Japan and not come back. Yankees lose their best pitcher.
    5) Signs Cano to a huge contract (8 years/ 180) and eventually in a few short years find themselves with another declining player with an albatross contract.
    6) Revolving door at shortstop after Jeter leaves due to having no one in the organization at that position that is any good.
    7) Outfield prospects Heathcott, Austin, Williams disappoints and turn out to be busts. Same as shortstop, the outfield becomes a revolving door aging veterans and failing young players.
    8) Catcher position once a strong suit of the organization, quickly becomes another weak spot as highly touted prospect Sanchez makes little progress and becomes a secondary trade piece to land a desperately needed veteran pitcher. Murphy while a solid hitter, is moved off the position due to his disappointing defense and important game calling, which the Yankees greatly emphasis at this position.

    • Mister D says:

      9. Grandma dies :(

    • LarryM Fl says:

      Hide the knives and the gun. It can’t go all bad even in a nightmare!

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      “5) Kuroda disappointed and fed up with the team decides to move onto Japan and not come back. Yankees lose their best pitcher.”

      Yes, because players think exactly like spoiled blog commenters.

      • WFAN Caller says:

        He is definitely fed up with moving to New York, having his two best professional seasons (in the US), and being lauded by Yankee fans and critics alike, no doubt raising his overall stock should he continue to pitch in the majors. I know I would be SICK OF IT ALL!

    • jjyank says:

      I don’t get this about people. Why even lay this out while assuming that zero good things happen? I can’t imagine living life with that outlook.

  14. nycsportzfan says:

    I think its time to rebuild with smart FA signings and even smarter trades. Look at the rebuilding 90′s teams. They brought in FA Jimmy Key and Wade Boggs, Doc Gooden, and Jim Abbott. None were flat out studs, except boggs who was considered just about done. But all the pitchers were guys who could eat up innings and you hope you one exceeds expectations, all Jimmy Key. Then trades like the one for Tino, Knoblach..etc Also, FA pickup Mike Stanley was huge. Then you give a few guys chances from the minors, which i’d do with Dellin Betances as our next closer, so i could leave homegrown DROB as the 8th inning man. You don’t have to give guys 100million dollar contracts to compete immedietly, and in fact, those are the kinda deals that lead you to needing to rebuild more then any other thing usually, especially with PEDS not being as big a part of the game, so guys who are 35-41 aren’t producing like they were, when they were cheating left and right. I’d take the draft pick for Cano, no doubt. No way i’d give a guy like Cano 180million, as hes gonna be so unmotivated, its not even funny. Its time to get smart and savy. Go get a Bud Norris, and see what Betances and Nova can give ya, as well as maybe bringing in a David Murphy, and seeing if you can get a Pauly O’neill type hitter…etc

    • jjyank says:

      “No way i’d give a guy like Cano 180million, as hes gonna be so unmotivated, its not even funny.”

      No, it is funny, because I don’t see how it makes sense. What evidence do we have that Cano only tries hard to get a new contract? Other that a few people on a blog bitching about him not sprinting to first on a routine ground out, when have we ever heard that Cano is unmotivated, distracted, lazy, or isn’t trying? In fact, most things I read about him give me the opposite impression.

      If you don’t want to sign him long term, that’s fine. There’s a perfectly logical reason to think that, but this isn’t it.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Ok. I disagree completely. I think Cano’s approach at the plate shows his lack of motivation and/or concentration almost on a weekly basis. He can stink and swing at terrible pitches for wks at a time, and then become much more selective at the drop of a dime.

        Also, i’ve seen him in the field make some lazy plays as well, like when he just assumed a player was gonna hold up after a single , but the player didn’t, and Cano was caught sleeping basically. How did you all ready forget that? It was like 2wks ago??lol

        Obviously, you have to think ahead, and no one knows the future, so anything you say is your reasons for not resigning him will be something you think will happen, and not a known fact. To me, giving Cano 180million is a ridiculous mistake that i’d let any other team make. I just don’t see Cano as a player that will hustle any harder with a raise, and in a lifestyle that will have him with 180million to spend, i could never imagine him caring as much daily about baseball.

        Thats just my opinion.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          This is one of the few times I’m glad TSJC isn’t here since he basically used to accuse anybody who said this as being prejudiced against Dominicans, and honestly it was really annoying.

          • Mister D says:

            Bet he had a pretty decent hit percentage too. I miss him.

          • Mister D says:

            (Because seriously, you know that post was preposterous and it doesn’t hurt to invest 30 seconds into thinking where it comes from.)

            • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              I think nycsportzfan’s post is over the top but not preposterous. I don’t think his hitting has anything to do with it, but his propensity not to run out ground balls shows a lack of effort, yes. I learned that shit in little league. When you hit a ball, run through the bag.

              It’s not even close to being worth a contract, honestly it barely matters, but the “Cano is lazy” stuff is more than prejudice against Domicans.

              • Mister D says:

                You understand there are valid reasons for not sprinting through the bag every time, right?

                • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                  Of course. I think, barring injury, they’re bullshit.

                  • Mister D says:

                    Barring existing injury or barring the risk-reward of creating an injury?

                    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                      Barring existing injury. You’re running down the line, for Heaven’s sake. Considering most of the game involves standing in place I think it’s reasonable to expect maximum effort when you actually have to run.

                    • Mister D says:

                      I don’t think either of us disagree that baseball players have proven time and again that sprinting 90 feet and landing on a raised surface causes injuries, right? So assuming that, lets just agree to disagree about the times when that risk, however minor, is worth taking for potential gain, however minor.

                    • Mister D says:

                      I bet Adam Rosales gave 110% and sprinted right onto the waiver wire today. Love that hustle.

        • jjyank says:

          And I think your opinion is wrong. I don’t think Cano is lazy, and I don’t think you can make that judgement through a TV screen.

          What’s funny to me, is that the same people that call Cano lazy are generally the same people that don’t want to sign Cano because his positional history dictates that he’ll fall off a cliff sooner. Does it occur to anyone that Cano just doesn’t push himself too far when it’s largely unnecessary so that he can preserve his body? The guy hasn’t played in fewer than 159 (!) games since 2006. 2006! And you call him lazy. Unreal.

          • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

            I think Cano is going to slow down because so much of his game revolves around durability and bat speed. Those are exactly the two things that tend to lessen with age.

            • Mister D says:

              Right, and this is fair. I don’t like his odds of 8 more great years, especially at 2B, but it has nothing to do with my dummy assessment of effort and care levels.

            • jjyank says:

              And that’s fine. I think calling him lazy is the wrong reason to not sign him though.

            • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

              Bat speed and durability have nothing to due with his ‘lack of motivation’ or all the rest of that crap up there.

              Also, both VERY valid reasons to not pay the man 8/180, but “No way i’d give a guy like Cano 180million, as hes gonna be so unmotivated, its not even funny.” is in NO WAY something that is realistic.

            • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              I agree with all three of you guys.

          • LK says:

            As a first point – I see what the “Cano is lazy” people are saying, but I don’t actually care. Running out grounders looks great on TV but doesn’t win you any baseball games.

            However, laziness and durability aren’t mutually exclusive. I don’t think you can cite Cano’s games played to refute the argument that he’s lazy; however, your other point – that his so-called “laziness” actually might HELP his durability – is a good one that almost never gets acknowledged.

            • Mister D says:

              Yeah, that’s the larger point. Are people really happier if he sprints out all those 4-3s to reach base maybe twice more and pull one more hamstring? Its not like he jogs out DP grounders, its the ones where only the flukiest flukes will make it matter.

            • jjyank says:

              Yeah. Maybe Cano gets 1-2 infield hits a year. Big deal.

              I agree that his past durability doesn’t mean that he’s lazy or not lazy. But it certainly doesn’t hurt his case. And yes, I do think that it would help his future durability. Maybe Cano going all out just to be three steps close to the bag when he gets thrown out means he doesn’t pop a hammy.

            • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              Running out grounders, maybe. Running out an easy infield pop-up actually DID win a baseball game in 2009.

              • jjyank says:

                That was 4 years ago. If you’re trying to convince me that going max effort on every play will win a small handful of games over a several year period, I’m going to remain unimpressed. I really don’t care. I want Cano to stay healthy. And so far, his current style of play has done that. Whether or not it’s a direct cause is up for debate, but I do think it plays some role. I’d rather his body stay fresh than get 2 infield hits per year, or 1 win in several years.

              • Mister D says:

                One time this one time something happened therefore …

                But you’re only right if you stretch what happened and how it applies here. First, running to 1B meant nothing since the batter didn’t score. Second, at a slow jog the winning run is still standing on 3B and the game is tied anyway, so it ended a game that was better than 50/50 to win with no hustle whatsoever. It just looked cooler because it ended on the spot with Teix “flying” around the bases.

                • Mister D says:

                  Addendum 1: If he’d popped a calf rounding 2B as Castillo put away the easy final out, I would have been furious

                  Addendum 2: You could probably make a more logic based argument that that win is “proof” that yelling during popups really does distract MLB players and wins games.

                  • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores says:

                    Maybe you would have been, but there’s no way I could be mad at a player running at full speed like he’s, you know, supposed to.

  15. Murderers' Row Boat says:

    The only way A-Rod is returning to Yankee Stadium is by buying a ticket.

    • Mike HC says:

      I would be pretty surprised if they can ban ARod for life. If that does end up happening, I personally would think that is bullshit.

      So unless the Yanks just pay him to stay away from the team, he probably will play for the Yanks again.

  16. DaveRobK says:

    Hypothetical and completely unrealistic scenario:

    The Cardinals call up Cashman and offer Oscar Taveras for Mariano.

    1. What do you think Cashman would do?

    2. What would you want him to do?

  17. Oy says:

    Something hit me this morning. A Kuroda for McCann swap makes so much sense for both teams.

  18. Frank says:

    This is going to be a very disappointing day for many Yankees fans.

  19. Kosmo says:

    Rios, Pence, Young, Morse. Young OR Morse make sense as we´ve revisited this territory any number of times these last weeks. I´d be happy with any one of those 4. Rios or Pence would become the RF with Ichiro the 4 OF, Wells to the bench or DFA´d. Granderson to LF with Soriano then DHs.
    I know his name is not mentioned at all except a couple of times I´ve brought it up but why not Neftali Soto the Reds RH 1B/3B prospect ? He´s not a very good fielding 3B but he can play 1B, he can hit, he´s 24 yrs old and under team control.

  20. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Sigh. I wish they’d just trade Kuroda, Cano, Hughes and Joba. They’re four games out of the second wildcard behind I don’t even know how many teams. They’re not making a run into the playoffs, but instead of trying to put a good team together again for the future they’re going to fight for a lost cause and ruin their long term prospects because they can’t accept the dynasty years ended. Pisses me off.

    • sjferrari says:

      OK, I understand wanting to get rid of Joba and Hughes, even Kuroda, but why Cano? Why would you want to get rid of the one guy we have that we can build a club around?

      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores says:

        Because we’re not going to be a particularly good club by next year via my plan, he’ll get a boatload of awesome prospects, and we’ll be signing yet another guy into a long term deal before his decline years, because we haven’t learned that lesson yet.

  21. A.D. says:

    Don’t really understand why the Yanks are so keen to flip Joba. I understand that they don’t really need him, but not like they’re going to get any return.

    • trr says:

      It seems to the “something is better than nothing” axiom.
      But I agree, can’t see us getting much for him at thos point

      • Wolfgang's Fault says:

        Unless Girardi has lost all faith in them, I’d resign Joba and Hughes in the winter. He and Hughes would benefit greatly committing to the same program Toronto Blue Jay reliever Steve Delabar used to strengthen his pitching shoulder and resurrect his career. They’re both basically power pitchers & could use the uptick in velocity and increase in arm power the program would give them. As a starter, Hughes would benefit greatly if he could develop a two-seamer & change speeds more effectively as well. I know, easier said then done, but the guys who last in the bigs are the guys who can make adjustments.

        Regardless, I’d try to resign both of them over the winter. If (w/or without the Yankees help) either or both of these guys turns it around, Hughes learns how to pitch successfully at YS3 & Joba matures and settles down as a consistently solid setup or bridge role guy, they’re money in the bank. Should that happen, their valuable commodities should the Yankees end up with a glut of arms & need to make a deal later for some other need. I wouldn’t give either of these two guys away or let Hughes walk without at least getting a draft pick for him. They’re both still too young and still have too much upside to just discard them.

        If I was going to deal a reliever, I’d look to deal Shawn Kelley when his value is high.

  22. WFAN Caller says:

    Maybe I’m confused, but do people really think this team has a shot at winning the World Series? This team is 12th in runs scored in the AL, 14th in HR’s hit (their former bread and butter), and has one starter who has been consistent all season. Sure, I am biased with Nova and believe he will pan out as a starter, and I like to think Pineda will become a decent starter once he’s healthy. But this team is not very good, and they have no premiere offensive prospects locked and loaded. Gary Sanchez is probably two years away, Williams, Heathcott and (shudder) Austin have been mediocre to bad all season. And while I do love the haul in this years draft, those guys are as guaranteed as a used car salesman’s promise (as is the rest of the farm for that matter.

    It’s time to face facts, boys (and girls?).

    • Mike HC says:

      So if none of our prospect are close and/or any good, and we are only 3.5 back for the play in game while getting some injured guys back, why not take one last good shot this year? It’s not like we can sell this year to re stock for next couple of years, because like you said, there isn’t any help coming all that soon.

      • WFAN Caller says:

        Maybe I should clarify, because you raise a good point…If the Yankees go after anyone today, it will probably be for prospects who have value – ie: RDP. I don’t want them to trade RDP just to acquire someone like Hunter Pence (who is a FA anyway), and then either miss the playoffs or get knocked out in the WC game. The Yankees have too many holes and too many question marks, meaning, it will take a dozen prospects to acquire enough talent to push this team into the playoffs. Is it worth it? I personally don’t think so. But then again, I am of the more patient variety and can happy sit tight while players develop.

        • Mike HC says:

          Agreed that I wouldn’t trade our very top prospects for someone like Pence or really any half year upgrade at this point. I’m talking either standing still or smaller trades like the Soriano one.

          I thought you were advocating selling off our best ML assets, but I see you are just saying don’t sell off the future for this mediocre team, which I definitely agree with.

          • Wolfgang's Fault says:

            The problem is they really don’t know what’s down in their farm system yet. Guys that look like they’ll pan out at the big league level can & frequently do flame out, & guys that look like suspects can suddenly blossom into full fledged prospects, big leaguers, & yes, even stars. There are a whole host of in-betweener’s in there as well that can help ball clubs win games. Dealing a kid like Corey Black, as an example, is seemingly justified by the reasoning that they’re loaded w/similar type pitchers, the fans/ownership are panicking, better do something quick.

            The reality is that few of our prospect throw as hard as Black did, & no one knows who or what Corey Black will become once he has the time & opportunity to put it together. Odds are he doesn’t even make the show or not for very long. IMO though, w/an arm like that, you don’t deal him unless you get more upside than an over-the-hill Soriano unless that deal is the one piece that could make a difference between winning it all or not. Obviously not the case here as, clearly, too many holes to fill.

            I would have called up the Cuban F/A signee & veteran Adonis Garcia to play left-field and held on to Black. Too talented w/far too much upside to just discard for a need we could have filled in house. Besides, if we’re not going to find out about our AAA guys this year, then when? Yankee fans & ownership need to exercise a little restraint and patience damn it. Once again, imo, our farm system is deeper and more talented than most realize. They have to do a better job of developing what they’ve got, & ownership & fans have to be willing to accept some growing pains.

      • Bubba says:

        Because it won’t be a good shot. It will be half measures and band-aid fixes. If you want to get to 189 because MLB has finally found the carrot to get you to rein spending then send Cano and Kuroda out for a decent prospect haul. It doesn’t make sense to sign Cano to a long term contract when there is a good chance his elite production will come on bad teams. If not, don’t punt the last two off seasons. Either commit to being excellent or rebuild. Mediocrity sucks worse than being dreadful.

        • Mike HC says:

          I disagree. I would rather be mediocre than dreadful. Just because we trade our best ML players to become dreadful is no guarantee we will all of sudden leap back to being great all that soon. We may end up becoming dreadful just so we can get back to mediocre at some point.

          • jjyank says:


          • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

            This. All it takes is a little bit of luck to break for a mediocre team to make a run. If a dreadful team gets a little bit of luck, they MIGHT get to mediocrity.

          • Bubba says:

            The current system does not compensate mediocrity and has taken a lot of the bite out of the Yankees main advantage (high revenues). If you are mediocre you have no margin for error to see if the (insert name of AAA player) of the world can be a useful piece. You are right that being dreadful does not guarantee a return to greatness anytime soon but mediocrity far more often than not breeds more mediocrity. It’s the status quo trap. It’s the rationalization that “Granderson coming back is better than any trade we could make.”

            • WFAN Caller says:

              If you’re not first, you’re last!

              I’d rather be free of mediocre players like Ichiro and Soriano and completely worthless players like Wells, Hafner and Overbay than watch them go out there and suck every day. At least being dreadful gets you a Top 10 pick in the draft.

  23. Nate says:

    Hughes + Joba for Kennedy! How funny would that be?

  24. Kibbles 'n Vicks says:

    I really hope we land Morse. Dude absolutely mashes lefties, and despite his poor numbers vs RHP this season, His career numbers are solid vs them. You can play him at First vs LHP, and DH him or throw him in RF vs RHP. He literally is a perfect fit for this lineup. He makes perfect sense, so there is no way Cashman will go after him.

  25. Dreamsdocometrue says:

    Gary Sanchez and Mason Williams for Cliff Lee. Hughes, Nunez and Angelo Gumbs for Chase Headley

  26. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    Wow, thoroughly uninspired or excited about any “pieces” The Yankees could pick-up to help this team. Why ? It’s as you guys already know; sellers market, finite supply of impact to good players (maybe 5 or 6), cost in players going back in trade, and the obvious – The Yankees aren’t 1/2 players away (imo). Combine that with what seems to be a lack of cohesion between the front office and ownership. Half-in, half-out, might be a direct result of the seemingly disconnect between front office and management. There seems a pessimistic undertone for the team, that is permeating the comments section. This is usually met with a barrage of sarcasm and abuse towards the poster. Some of it might be deserved, but other portions …, maybe not.

  27. ClayDavis says:

    Cano for a Hershel Walkeresque package. Get it done Cash.

  28. WJ says:

    I completley agree with NYC FAn in that Cano can be very lazy. He is the most talently gifter player in baseball. He will take 3 weeks off, he goes to the plate with no approch, just swings at whatever is close. Then his average will dip to 290 and he will get locked in for 2 weeks and take pitches, wait for his pitch and the guy hits everything hard. He takes 3 weeks off and then locks in for 2 weeks and he is never locked in during the playoffs which shows me that he is a stat guy. I would not give him more than a 7 year 150. If he had the ability to not take at bats off like some of the greats do, he would be a 350 hitter instead of 300.

    On your other point, it is a joke that you think Betances should be our closer over Robertson next year. They guy has a had a couple of good weeks in AAA so lets forget about the past 6 years and anoint him our closer? Wow, that is honestly crazy. I agree, he should get a shot soon in the bullpen given his stuff and his revelation as a bullpen arm but the guy should start in middle relief and work is way up.

    • jjyank says:

      So when a player slumps, he’s “taking the at bats off”? Learn something new every day.

      No, but seriously. This is how you get ants.

    • Shittyshittybangbang says:

      I wouldn’t say “laziness”, but focus is something that might be the case (imo). Supremely talented, but does seem to wander-off mentally. Interestingly, not the case on defense, though a bit non- chalant. There are days like yesterday’s game against The Dodgers, where he could’ve produced, and helped his team pull-out the win. That’s what “top”players do. And from what I’ve seen this year, he doesn’t seem to be as clutch as a top player should be. More so than ever, The Yankees needed Cano to be a monster this year. But, I might be wrong, and I’m sure the sarcastic, numbers geeks will correct me accordingly.

  29. A-Rod's Quad says:

    Guys, I know it sounds like a cliche, but you’re about to “trade” for a pretty good third baseman, when I come off the DL at the end of the week. I’m running great, I feel good, and I can’t wait to get back on the field. I think I can realistically hit .275 with a 10 HRs and some walks. Come on, let bygones be bygones and let’s win it all. I have a lot of room on my fingers and need to catch up to Jeter!

    • D$1184 says:

      You’re a quad. Why are you talking?

      • Hassey says:

        I’d much rather hear from your girlfriend’s quad, or better yet her inner thigh

      • trr says:

        He did say his quad was barking last week

      • A-Rod's Quad says:

        I appreciate the question. I just want to open the lines of communication to make sure we’re all on the same page.

        Looking forward to breaking some bigtime HR records over the next few years!! Can’t wait to see how the Yanks are gonna celebrate me.

        My girlfriend’s inner thigh is quite muscular, you can break a bat over it! If you do, hopefully no superballs come bouncing it. Ha! I;m not syaing I cheated, but if I did it, I’m just trying to uphold the Nettles tradition. Velarde too! Stay clean, Jagielo, stay clean.

    • Bud Selig says:

      Not so fast.

  30. Jason says:

    Someone please lock Hal and randy away in a closet somewhere (or two separate closets) until the trade deadline hits. Much appreciated.

  31. thundergoat says:

    Bold prediction, yankees do nothing today and joba gets released.

  32. Eddard says:

    Ownership needs to take over today and get some deals done. Hal got us Soriano when we needed it. I don’t think Cashman is willing to part with any prospects. Trade Joba and Hughes for anything, even if it means the Yankees have to pay other teams to take them. At least then they’ll be gone.

    • Revan says:

      Cashman is ALWAYS willing to deal prospects. Even if the team is old and full of holes the prospects are the first things to go. Granted he doesn’t always want to but the organization as a whole is so deathly scared about prospects that we won’t use them.

      • Revan says:

        Actually correction: they are deathly scared about using the good prospects. For the ones without value there’s nothing to lose by playing them.

  33. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Off Topic, but does it seem odd that every swingin dick that has hit waivers as an infielder has passed through the Bronx this season, but not ONE catcher has been claimed?

  34. Robert says:

    Huroda will not be pitching in the next Yankee World Series.Please tell me why we are not shopping him and wouldnt a contender give us a top ten blue chip prospect in return?

    • Brooklyn Ed says:

      We have a pitcher name Huroda? How could the Yanks trade a player if they don’t have a player by that name?

    • Brian S. says:

      I have no idea. The organization is really dumb.

    • Rick in Philly says:

      Kuroda apparently has a no trade clause in his contract, and he has refused to waive it in the past. For all we know, the Yankees approached Kuroda, asked him to waive his NTC, and he said “No”.

  35. Mandy Stankiewicz says:

    Kelly Shoppach just opted out of his contract FYI

  36. aluis says:

    Why no Kendry Morales love?

    • Kosmo says:

      It looks as though Seattle wants to hold onto Morales. I for one wanted NY to trade for Morales this past offseason.

    • D$1184 says:

      Seattle’s probably looking to make him a QO after the season and collect the draft pick compensation.

  37. Three hours later, and still no updates in this post.

    That’s somewhat depressing.

  38. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Cashman should definitely look into trading for either Javier Lopez or Joe Thatcher. A left that would actually get lefties out, and help out Logan with the load.

  39. t2ny says:

    I always let myself get really excited for the trade deadline, when more often than not the payoff is Casey McGehee.

  40. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    At this point it’s obvious NYY aren’t sellers, so, I’d advocate not doing anything. Avoid the over-pay, desperation move, and just take your lumps. Too many injuries, too many holes …., just say fuck-it, and try to formulate a plan, a front office consensus in the off-season.

    • Mister D says:

      I imagine I agree, but for bad reasons. I don’t see us contending if we buy, so that’s my worst case. I’d rather we sell, but that’s not happening. Doing nothing wastes tradeable assets, but atleast we aren’t moving kids, so I guess that’s defacto best. Gross. Go hockey season.

  41. Nathan says:

    I wouldn’t mind having Cliff Lee. I don’t think I’d trade 3 prospects for him though.

    • Mister D says:

      If Cliff Lee were declared a free agent right now, guaranteeing him $75MM* for the next 2.5 seasons would be pretty questionable economics. Adding any super propsects, let alone three, is insane.

      * Remaining 2013 salary, 2014 and 2015 at $25MM each and the buyout. I think that’s right, or close enough.

      • Oy says:

        One of the best pitchers in the last 7 years, who has a 3.17 FIP/ 3.06 xFIP, 8.15 K/9 while walking nobody, would not get $75 mill for the next 2.5? Dude would get 100 mill for 3.5 years.

        • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

          you know who else has been incredibly good over the past 7 years? Some guy names CC Sabathia. Would you pay HIM 75 over 3 right now? History is exactly that. Someone cue up the ‘Victory Lap’ thread for me here, because its blatantly fitting here.

          Cashman dodged a bullet the size of a Ford Truck when Cliff Lee signed that deal with Philly. Let sleeping dogs lie.

          • JLC 776 says:

            We’d have Cliff Lee and likely not have Kuroda right now. That’s how I see it!

          • Revan says:

            CC is a terrible comparison here. CC gets his value from eating innings but we’ve ridden that horse too many times and now it’s costing us.

            CLiff Lee since 2009 has been the second best pitcher according to WAR and has a much superior FIP and XFIP than Sabathia.

            If you’re going to risk a big contract you do it for Cliff Lee. I find it hilarious that people aren’t willing to pay for elite production yet think Hughes gets 15 million dollars easy.

            • Mister D says:

              Did you really say that CC’s value was from eating innings versus elite production over elite innings?

              • Revan says:

                Since 2009 CC’s ahd the 19th best FIP. Yes it’s good but this site acts like he’s always top 3. The again when you ignore all the metrics that make the Yankees look “bad” then anyone could be a top 3 candidate.

                • D$1184 says:

                  To be fair, Cliff Lee doesn’t seem to have the same issue with body fat that CC does. I wonder how much that’s coming into play, affecting his horrible performance as of late.

        • matt B says:

          just a new world with the uncertainty surrounding austerity (that is, if it were a value dump proposition). Cause Cliff Lee is every bit an ace, and showing no signs of a sudden decline, nor would he be the kind of guy who;d you peg as particularly susceptible to said sudden decline (granted, I wouldn’t have pegged CC either) – Phil’s interesting though, in that it’s not just Michael Young, Frandsen could awfully helpful at 3B this year. Don’t think this team is anywhere near title caliber or that it can get there today, but it’s conceivable that of anyone, Cliff Lee brings them closer to that goal that anyone else even potentially available.

          If you really are trying to win, I’d eat the money in a heartbeat and make sure I got Frandsen back too. But agreed, it can’t be money and three top flight prospects. One top prospect, one middling, and Phelps if Philly wants “MLB Ready” talent – ain’t never gonna happen, because Philly’s showing no desire to salary dump, and obviously the player package just mentioned gets you laughed to mars on the personnel merits.

  42. andy e says:

    how is a 1st base platoon partner more important than the addressing the catching situation or 3rd base? overbay is atleast a league average hitter.

    • Winter says:

      Overbay has a 44 wRC+ against lefties. That’s so far below league average it’s laughable.

    • matt B says:

      I’m with you, in part because Overbay’s got the long part of the platoon, I can live with Nix playing first here and there, and if Granderson seems solid upon his return, I’m open to seeing in Sori is capable of standing at 1B for a ballgame here or there.

      They’re not gonna be able to upgrade both C and 3B – but awfully hard to stand pat on both, for me it’s really 3B I can live with no offense from my catching spot – not like there’s a hell of a 3B market, but there’s not much of one in FA either, so if it’s gonna be life without Alex, I hope (and assume) that Cash is having a nice long look at both short term additions (which I believe are out there, at least guys who are significant improvements at the margins).

      That said, despite my mention of Nix above, without any further moves and a CC Sabathia who might not get me out right now, I’d open to the Yanks just letting Adams know that’s his job rest of the year and find out over more of a sample size if there’s any chance he’ll hit at the MLB level. If you gave me his minor league triple slash, but doubled the PA (those lost to injury), I’d be shouting to the heavens to give him a lot of rope, that he’s probably a league average bat But even that MiLB sample is so damn small cause of all the time missed.

  43. Kosmo says:

    Hughes and Joba to Arizona, IPK to the Angels, Kendrick to NY, Yanks send mid-level prospect to the Angels.

    • D$1184 says:

      Not sure the D’Backs do that deal. Then again, I thought they were crazy for doing the Yanks-Tiger-D’Backs deal that “only” landed them Edwin Jackson and Max Scherzer a couple of years ago and that worked out well for them a little while.

  44. AMANDA says:


  45. matt B says:

    I’m with the consensus, chance of losing Phil and Joba, minimal chance of trading for Morse. It seems incomprehensible for me – given that they’re not going to sell – to leave both C and 3B completely unaddressed – but when I see the asks for guys like Callapso (a player I would have been more than fine with acquiring at a reasonable rate), you start to see it.

    That said, in respect to 3B, neither are obvious, be shocked to see either but consider:

    1. Scutaro – unquestioned upgrade, it hasn’t been his primary position, but he’s played it plenty, having a career year offensively, otherwise league averagish bat, but certainly improves you on the margins, and adds some versatility (and of course, age). And can’t imagine the ask would be crazy. The problem: owed 6 mil a piece next year and ’15. If austerity’s happening, can’t do it period. If austerity’s happening and I know Arod’s gone, still not sure you can do it.

    2. A. Cabrera – Cleveland really ought to be consider moving him today. Nice player, though never spectacular, down year, but on the right side of 30, switch hitter – pretty bad defensively as SS, but was always thought he’d move to 3B eventually. And if you get enough pitching in return, Cleveland’s probably net better letting Avila and Chisenhall play the position as they make a run this year, and Lindor’s getting close. Here’s where I wonder how Hughes is valued around the league, i.e. would Cleveland do a half year of Hughes and another piece (top 10 prospect in the Yank system? top 15?) – I’m not in love with all things Cabrera, but he actually makes some sense for this club moving forward. That said, much more likely to happen during the offseason. Which begs the question, how desperate do you consider the 3B position to be – would you trade for Avila or Chisenhall? Jerry Hairston Jr. redux?

    I’m genuinely intrigued in that I believe San Fran would listen on Sandoval, but I honestly just don’t know enough about their system to know if there’s any sort of match, and whether Pablo’s a guy the Yanks would want around for awhile anyway.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      If the Yankees went out and traded for Scutaro, I would be THRILLED to have him as a starting 3B next season for only $6M. Cabrera is a nice player, but it sounds like the Tribe are actually buying right now (reports have them looking for a pitcher…)

      Sandoval both intrigues and scares the shit out of me.

      • Winter says:

        I’m not interested in Sandoval unless he can lose some weight. If you look at his career, his stats tend to go up whenever his weight goes down. After spending some time on the DL this year, his weight is closer to bad 2010 Sandoval than good 2011 Sandoval.

      • matt B says:

        For sure, I think Cleveland does want to buy – one might argue that insofar as Cabrera goes, they’re dealing from relative strength and that if they used him to substantially upgrade their pitching, they’re better for it, Which is where the Yanks become a tough match – I assume Cleveland would try to hold out for a starter under team control, or else an A caliber rental (a Kuroda type). Hughes just doesn’t make the cut on either count. Would be highly interested to be a fly on the wall and know where Nova’s valued these days – it’s a SSS, but there’s also real evidence, coming from a variety of places, of fundamental improvement, for me, he’s a much more interesting pitcher than Phil is. Astrubral is a guy I could see the Yanks trying to acquire over the winter, probably a bridge too far today.

    • t2ny says:

      Count me as another fan of Scutaro. Don’t know if it’s even a remote possibility he gets moved though.

  46. matt B says:

    Not sure why I keep forgetting to mention Frandsen, Michael Young’s not the only Philly who bats righty and can stand at 3B. Nothing pecial, short track record, but enough that I believe he can hit for the final third of the season – no idea if his bat’ solid enough to survive being exposed day-to-day over a whole season, probably not, but call him a utility IF guy, it’s a nice bat for a utility IF player.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      One could make the argument that Nunez has a nice bat for a utility player. and he costs you nothing but batting helmet cleaner and a net behind 1st base so no fans get hurt. IMO if you are gonna get a 3b, don’t get another Macgehee level replacement. Get someone who is a CLEAR upgrade.

      • matt B says:

        I basically agree with this, which is why I’m not screaming to fire Cashman for not having had Frandsen here yesterday. I’m not sure I think the McGahee comp works, cause he was always being brought in as a platoon player (who hadn’t necessarily been raking on his alleged strong side, though he did have a tracked record of it) – and while yeah I embrace platoon splits over a large sample, simply too much volatility over a third of a season.

        Frandsen’s an odd case, below average hitter, didn’t play in the majors at all in 2011, but then 2012 and 2013, he puts up WoBAs of .362 and .344 and wRC+ of 127 and 119, respectively – but that only covers 350 PAs, about a third of his career PAs.

        FTR, I believe that Nunez has a “live bat,” in the sense that he’s capable of making contact, occasionally showing gap power, etc., but also believe people love the speed, and that every seeing eye single up the middle is seen as a whole lot more “live” than it is. And I also believe that he may have a couple of particular hitting skills while still, sadly, being an substantially below average bat. Only relying on OPS since I don’t have the MilB advanced state in front of me, but Nuney .OPSed .676 across nearly 700 Triple A plate appearances, .680 over approx 2500 MiLB PA, and at the major league level managed one season of a WRC+ of 94 (over 100 PA) – which, by the way, you told me he’d stay at the level forever, I’d sign gladly), Frandsen, by contrast, raked and showed plus power at every stop he’s made in the minors.

        I’m mostly long winded, I’m not disagreeing with the principle, no more McGahee types, and yeah, you want a real legit upgrade. I believe Frandsen certainly represents that to this team – going forward as a regular, probably not, but I can’t see a comparison in saying Nuney has a nice bat for a utility player vis-a-vis Frandsen.

        • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

          The Macgehee reference was anecdotal, not a comp. Sorry for the confusion. But FWIW I think the Nunie comp does work.

    • D$1184 says:

      Because we haven’t seen a million of those already? Let me count the ways:

      Jayson Nix. Chris Nelson. Alberto Gonzalez. Reid Brignac. Brent Lillibridge.

  47. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores says:

    Yeah, the more I think about it, the less I’m in favor of re-signing Robbie even if we don’t trade him. We really, really should have learned our lesson by now about signing aging superstars to long contracts, especially since, IMO, Cano’s talents aren’t the ones that will last in the twilight of his career.

  48. Winter says:

    Michael Young looking more likely… I guess I’m happy? I still prefer Morse.

  49. yooboo says:

    I prefer Morse too because of power but we really need a 3B.

    Young at 3b so Nix can platoon with Overbay at 1B.

  50. Eddard says:

    Scutaro is a winning ballplayer. He could propel us to the World Series by himself as he did with the Giants last season. Anybody is better than Nix. Go get some deals done, Hal. Cashman won’t lift a finger.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      Dude, you’re the best. The shit you come up with, you’re like the Yogi Berra of guys who comment on baseball blogs.

    • D$1184 says:

      The deals for both Soriano’s (Rafael and Alfonso), the making of a two year deal for Ichiro…I have a feeling no one listens much to Cashman as is. Beginning to wonder why he’s still there at all…

  51. JLC 776 says:

    Young won’t approve a trade to NY. But now he will. But then he said he wouldn’t again. But now the Sox don’t want him, so he will…


    The latest on Phillies third baseman Michael Young…

    Young would approve a trade to the Yankees, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter).
    Earlier Updates

    Two executives believe the Phillies and Red Sox are discussing Young, and the Yankees would have interest if that falls through and Young would waive his no-trade for them, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

    Young is unlikely to waive his no-trade clause for anywhere but Texas, hears Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald, while WEEI’s Rob Bradford has a source who’s not confident Young will accept a trade to any team.

    It is doubtful the Red Sox will make a move for Young, tweets Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.

    As of a few minutes ago the Phillies hadn’t called the Red Sox about Young’s willingness to go there, and Boston’s interest is not certain, tweets Peter Gammons of Gammons Daily.

    Young is unlikely to get through waivers in August, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

    Young has changed his mind and is now willing to waive his no-trade clause to go to the Red Sox, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
    Previously, he was only willing to go back to the Rangers.

  52. gargoyle says:

    What is the purpose of acquiring Michael Young?

  53. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Holy shit. Gasoline, meet fire:

    Bob Nightengale @BNightengale

    The #Yankees getting offers now for Phil Hughes.

    • Eddard says:

      Teams are getting desperate! All it takes is one. Make the deal, Hal. And throw in Joba, too.

      • D$1184 says:

        Put Kuroda on the open market and GM’s will jump on him like a bunch of starving piranha on a cow that’s just been dropped in their tank. A pitcher of near Lee effectiveness but without $70 million attached? He might fetch 2 top 100 prospects right now.

        • Matt says:

          I agree. I bet the Dodgers wld give up 2 of their top 3 prospects. Kuroda does have a no-trade, that he has to waive.

    • Dr. TJ Eckelberg says:

      This just in, it has been discovered that there are at least 2 teams without major league scouting departments.

    • SDB says:

      Just take the first offer. Please. I’ll drive Hughes down myself. Who’s up for a road trip?

      • D$1184 says:

        I think, even with the cost cutting ways, the Yankees can afford to give him a plane ticket. Now if they were the Marlins, I’d suggest you gas up your truck.

  54. Eddard says:

    If Hal needs a sweetener to get rid of Hughes he can just throw in Joba. Maybe we can get an A ball reliever in return to make Cashman happy.

    • Winter says:

      Throwing Joba in as sweetener is like having a “Buy 2, get a spoiled fish free!” deal at the supermarket.

  55. Matt says:

    I am curious what Pitt was willing to give up, to get Mark Trumbo?

  56. FachoinaNYY says:

    You know what sucks? I am willing to bet that Hughes leaves either via trade or FA and goes to a more fly ball friendly home park and does really well. I can just see it now.

    • D$1184 says:

      If teams are interested now, I’m betting they’ll offer at least a 2 year deal in the off-season when he’s a free agent. Meaning it’s likely he’d turn down a qualifying offer from the Yankees.

  57. D$1184 says:

    Royals get former Yankee Justin Maxwell (.253/.370/.455, 2 homers, 4 SBs in 151 plate appearances) from the Astros. Stop the presses. We have our blockbuster of the day.

    • D$1184 says:

      That being said, Vernon Wells–.236/.282/.360. I would have welcomed Maxwell back with open arms. I’m almost sure he’d be better than Wells in the field, too.

  58. D$1184 says:

    Padres get Ian Kennedy for lefty Joe Thatcher, Double A reliever Matt Stites and a compensation round B draft pick. Wow. Even in a sellers’ market, the D’Backs are bad at this trading thing.

  59. D$1184 says:

    Marlins think the Yankees will up-grade their offer for Placido Polanco as the deadline nears. Let’s see, 37 year old, no power, (.259/.315/.301). Yeah, I’m pretty sure we’ve found the only player on the open market who would represent a DOWNGRADE over what the Yankees have been throwing out there at third base this year.

  60. The Real Greg says:

    Orioles are going to pick up Bud Norris from the Astros.

  61. ClayDavis says:

    Maybe the Hughes conversations will lead to bigger things; Cano and Kuroda.

    • D$1184 says:

      I don’t think you put a deal together for Cano in 22 minutes.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:



  62. The Real Greg says:

    2:41pm: The Braves talked to the Yankees about Hughes but it won’t happen, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

  63. D$1184 says:

    Braves asked about Hughes but apparently, it’s not happening.

  64. To Baltimore: Bud Norris

    To Houston: L.J. Hoes, Josh Hader and Competitive Balance draft pick.

  65. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    And we are officially 12 minutes away from Cashman failing by either buying, selling or standing pat at the deadline. Very exciting stuff.

  66. The Cash Man says:

    “Getting Curtis back is a better acquisition than any that could have been made today. We also anticipate being very active on the waiver market.”


  67. Wheels says:

    2 minutes left.

  68. Eddard says:

    Nothing of consequence in the works? Os got better, Sox got better, Rays got better. Everyone got better except NY. Cashman should be fired.

  69. Charles says:

    I’m just flabbergasted that Cashman hasn’t done anything, this team even with Granderson+ARod just isn’t good enough to compete, especially with a much better Baltimore, Boston, hell even Tampa made a move. Yes Soriano is a good start but they still are short 1/2 of a 1B, 3B, and Catcher. Good luck getting anything through waivers that would be an upgrade in August also…

  70. Adam says:

    Stellar work as usual by our asshole GM. Can’t wait for the press conference when he says nobody wanted to do any deals and that things will pop up in August during the trade waivers deadline.

    • Stanislaw says:

      You do realize that, to make a trade, there has to be another team willing to do so, right?

      I mean, you can’t be that fucking stupid. Or maybe I’m underestimating you?

  71. The Real Greg says:

    Surprised Texas hasn’t been heard from

  72. D$1184 says:

    I wonder why Cashman wasn’t talking to Cubs (or at least if he was, why we weren’t hearing anything about it) about Dioneer Navarro. Up-grade over what we have at catcher.

  73. The Real Greg says:

    I also am not surprised. This is Cashman’s way of selling without announcing that you are selling.

  74. Former ACE MannyGeee says:


  75. vicki says:

    not even so much as a mcgehee.

  76. D$1184 says:

    Well, I’m supporting the Pirates, now that the Yankees have effectively announced they’re folding. Who do the rest of you have?

  77. Wj says:

    Wow tampa gets crain to solidify there pen, baltimore gets feldman, norris and k rod to solidify pitching and sox get peavy and thorton and we get soriano ? Tough day to be a yank fan , i understand we have a terrible farm but it couldnt have been that pricy to get young or morse

  78. The Real Greg says:

    In other words, I think Cashman has officialy waved the white flag on the season. He’s not going to give up valuable prospects to get players when this team is not close to a title.

    Now, I’ll still think they will resign Cano but they have waved on this season.

    • Adam says:

      This team has valuable prospects?

      • BFDeal says:

        If you don’t think they do, you’re a bigger idiot than your usual comments suggest.

        • Wj says:

          Who are there valuable prospects? Sanchez batting 250 in A ball? 25 year old betances? The three out fielders who are all overmatched in AA? Who is our cant miss prospect?

    • Bryan says:

      He’s not going to give up good prospects for less than a half season of someone. That is smart. It would have been great to get Young or some other hitter. But it is not worth it to land someone at the twilight of their career when the other team is demanding a good prospect(s) in return.

  79. AMANDA says:

    what a bunch of suckers waiting for cashman bs , well hope we can maybe score 3 runs tonight , and boooo booooo boooo

  80. Eddard says:

    In Mariano Rivera’s final season Brian Cashman has chosen to wave the white flag. If it were up to him we would have gotten no help at all. Thanks for everything, Mo. You deserved better than this.

    • Bryan says:

      Who available would you have gone in on? It was a sellers market through and through. There was nothing out there we would not get shafted on. It sucks, but the fact is that this was not a trade market the Yankees could do much in honestly.

      • D$1184 says:

        I find it hard to believe the asking price for Michael Young was THAT prohibitive. The Phillies aren’t going to resign him and they’re sure as hell not going to make him a QO because at his age, he’s not getting anywhere near that money on the open market. So the only option left was for the Phillies to take a middle grade prospect for him. For them, it would have been better than nothing.

  81. Matt says:

    How disappointing. I haven’t been this sad, as a Yankees fan, in a long time.

  82. Adam says:

    I guess the plan to fill seats in the stadium in September is for Mo’s farewell tour, because nobody in their right mind is going to pay to see this shitty team once they’re 10 games out of a playoff spot in another week or two.

  83. Chris says:

    well I’m happy that we didn’t give up anything for crap like Michael young. I know none of you really think this team is doing anything this year, so why give up anything. like was said, hopefully this is the only version of selling he could do with dumb ass meddling owners.

  84. The Real Greg says:

    In essence, Cashman agreed with what all of you were thinking. That this team (this year) is not going anywhere, so why get rid of good prospects.

  85. Bronx Bombers23 says:

    If Cashman did indeed have 2 offers for Hughes as MLB Network reported, then he should have picked one of them and shipped Hughes out. He should have shipped Joba off for a bucket of BP balls.

    To not move some of these players that clearly don’t have a future with the team was the worse case scenario.

    • Bryan says:

      Unless what they were going to get for Hughes was better than the compensation pick we will be getting at seasons end no.

  86. Stanislaw says:

    Hilarious. We hear this now from some people: “Cashman sux! He didn’t trade for anyone!”

    When those same people would be saying this had he given up prospects: “Cashman sux! He gave up too much!”

    Make up your goddamn minds. You can’t have it both ways.

  87. Bronx Bombers23 says:

    That’s if Hughes doesn’t take the QO. Paying Hughes around 14 million next year would make me want to vomit.

    • Bryan says:

      Because we can find someone via FA comparable for less?

      • Bronx Bombers23 says:

        Hell yeah we can find someone comparable for less than 14 million. I would rather give his spot in the rotation to Warren than to pay Hughes that amount of money to serve up 35 more gopher balls.

        Hughes needs to play in San Diego, San Francisco, or another pitcher’s park that will help him and his extreme fly ball tendencies.

        • D$1184 says:

          I think you’re underestimating how bad the market is for pitching. Someone out there is going to give Hughes Edwin Jackson money (4 years, $52 million). And even if the Yankees get stuck with him for one more season….oh well. 2014 isn’t looking that hot at the moment, either.

      • bonestock94 says:

        Who the hell is paying $14M for a 1-1.5 win player!?

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