Jul
21

Cashman: “It’s just an offensive offense market”

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Via Chad Jennings: Brian Cashman acknowledged the trade market for bats has yet to come together. “Certainly we’ve been actively busy making phone calls, worked through the break, but we have not completed anything. The phone calls were taking place, but nothing to show for it … It’s an offensive offense market,” said the GM.

The Yankees just lost both Derek Jeter (quad) and Zoilo Almonte (ankle) to the DL, and there’s a chance Alex Rodriguez‘s return will be delayed due to his recent quad injury. The Phillies are surging and remain hesitant to deal guys like Michael Young and Carlos Ruiz, so really the only active seller right now is the Cubs. Nate Schierholtz (117 wRC+) makes a ton of sense for New York, especially now with Almonte hurt, but otherwise it just doesn’t seem like many bats are available. Something is going to have to give a some point; the Yankees are on borrowed time with this lineup.

Categories : Asides, Trade Deadline
  • Pseudoyanks

    Has felt like a whole season on borrowed time.

  • Laz

    Meh. I really advocated for Schierholtz during the winter. Really wanted him over Ichiro, but his value is at an all time high. Did he really change anything or is he having a career first half.

    • RetroRob

      The Yankees liked him, too, but he picked the Cubs for playing time. It’s the same as Drew with the Red Sox. Neither picked their teams because they expected them to win (Drew lucked out on that front). They selected them because they thought they’d get more playing time, which they could then use to cash in for more dollars in following seasons.

  • Bavarian Yankee

    Another left-handed outfielder? I don’t see a need for Schierholtz. I’d rather trade for Soriano or Quentin or somebody like that: a right-handed bat with some power.

    • 28 this year

      Honestly, worrying about handedness is a luxury when you’re deciding between complementary pieces. Right now, if the Yankees could get a bat thats average, it woudl represent a HUGE upgrade. I dont give a shit whether the guy is left handed, right handed, or hits with a rope, if they could hit the ball into the outfield, its an upgrade.

      • Mac

        I tend to agree. RHPs are about 2/3 of Ps. Ichiro has a slight reverse split on his career and a huge reverse split this season. Hafner is struggling against RHP. A LH OF who can really rake wouldn’t be a bad thing at all.

        Generally, though, you probably have to worry about handedness more with complementary players. If the Yankees truly did have a bunch of LHH with strong splits at the OF and DH spots, Schierholtz might not actually upgrade the team at all.

        • Mac

          Granted, not handedness. Splits, though.

        • 28 this year

          No disagreement about complementary players which is exactly what i said. But even though Schierholtz is technically a complementary piece, a slightly regressed version of him is still probably our third best hitter after cano and Gardner. So worrying about handedness is a bit odd when honestly, we have two hitters in the lineup.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Actually, the full quote is actually quite funny, as I believe he followed that up with saying something akin to others thinking the Yanks’ offense is offensive as well.

    Never think that Cashman doesn’t see things from the same set of eyes others watching the games do, despite what the armchair GMs claim, which brings me to my other Cashman quote as to how you wind up sitting with the fans.

    • RetroRob

      He also noted that it’s not as if others are making deals. The market is frozen.

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    Please no Soriano. I can’t watch him swinging at any more breaking balls bouncing in the other batters box. Plus, he is costly for next year. If they are using salary in 2014, it better be productive.

  • trr

    I guess Schierholtz is the best option available; Hafner is useless now, and it may be time to DFA him

    • Mac

      While he’s been terrible for a while, the guy has done nothing but hit every single other season in his career (when he’s been healthy enough to play). I have no idea what’s wrong with him, but might be something that he can turn around down the stretch. Also need a better option going forwards to DFA him.

  • CONservative governMENt

    I’d be in favor of trades that thinned out the herd a bit with an eye to future 40 man roster congestion, but giving up good prospects for short-term fixes would be a mistake.

  • Alkaline

    I was really hoping we got Schierholtz in the offseason, but IIRC, he wanted guaranteed playing time, more than what he would have gotten with us.

    I think a lot of people place unnecessary blame on Cashman forgetting that it takes two to tango in regards to both trades and FA. I think the belief that “everyone wants to play for the NYY” is a bit overstated.

    Cashman deserves blame for some mistakes, but there’s a lot going on we’re not privy to.

  • Electric Nunez ll

    “Something is going to have to give a some point”-

    Nothing has to “give”, other than the continued dropping in the standings. If there are no significant upgrades to be had via trade, then its more of the status quo.

    The above phrase is used to signify some kind of abrupt, usually negative change in fortunes if something-or-other isn’t addressed. That ALREADY happened with this team… in May, with the sharp statistical correction that happened with some of these guys.

    THAT’S when what was gonna give, gave. And here we are.

  • theproblem

    The problem is the Yankees felt that had had to keep bringing back their older players as if it was owed to them. In the rear view mirror age was creeping up and they weren’t looking behind them. Now the Yankees don’t have much to sell even if they wanted to because more of their guys now aka their lineup would be bench players on most teams.
    This season is a wash it’s over and even if they made a run they would get killed in the PS>

    2014
    1b – Tex

    2b – 2014? Who? Don’t you think the Yankees should move Cano for a few mlb ready players he’s the biggest chip.

    3b Who? Arod should be the DH from here on out. With age against him the Yankees do indeed need a 3b.

    C – Yankees have nothing here would will be the C in 2014?

    SS- Do the Yankees think they can keep Jeter healthy this might be a sign of thing that he really could be a DH?

    RF – I can see the Yankees playing either Gardner or Ichrio but playing them both is killing your power trade one.

    CF – Who? Granderson will be a FA

    LF – See RF

    Holes in 2014
    Catcher
    2b
    3b
    CF
    SS ?…

    Pitching with Mo gone Yankees will need a closer and with Andy gone and so could be Kud Yankees are opening more holes then they can afford.

    So ask yourself do the Yankees give up another season in 2014 and blow open 2015? Or should they pick up a few pieces that to me quite frankly isn’t going to help them much this year.

    I say sell as much stuff as you can this year get under 189m for next year and blow it open in 2015 along with bringing up C Gary S and a few others and the Yankees could be looking at another run? Let’s face it the 2014 free agent pool isn’t something to drool over. Let’s just hope the Yankees don’t make foolish mistakes which they did this Year. Yankees gotta get past the patch job and get some youth out there and a set lineup.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yes, what you said in the first paragraph is partly true. We are here because we rode the core into the ground. It’s not just the players who were owed that, though. Do you really think the majority of Yankee fans would have accepted cutting bait with the core 3-4 years ago? Hell, look at how people talk about Posada.

      We’re because we won five championships in the past two decades and made the postseason every season, except one, since 1995. That wasn’t going to last forever.

      • Memes N Themes

        This.

        The “Dynasty” or whatever you want to call the last 20 years had to end badly.

        All the bitching about old Ichiro and Hafner masks the facts of our old heroes are old too. They were going to either retire abruptly when we know they could still dominate (Mariano), or be breaking down and ineffective (Posada, Andy, Jeter possibly).

        The core is not the core of the team anymore, and it’s hard for people to admit it to themselves.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        Winning 5 championships with a great core and continuing do field a championship caliber team aren’t mutually exclusive.

        When Cashman took control 5+ years ago, he preached farm system and player development and he has failed miserably in that regard.

        • RetroRob

          He’s been running the team since 1998, although in the aughts after the 2001 World Series his power decreased. During that time, the farm system pretty much fell apart. It has strengthened again in recent years after he took back greater control, although nowhere near what it needs to be.

        • Mac

          I wouldn’t say that they’ve failed miserably with the farm system. If you look at a few high profile prospect, sure. If you look at the players they have developed and the system that they do have right now, though, calling it a miserable failure is a joke.

  • Dalek Jeter

    “Ways to say there are no moves (big or small) coming within the next 8 days” take one.

  • Mick taylor

    Boy, tiger woods has not one a major since the PGA began testing. For peds in 2008

    • Pat D

      This is probably your best comment ever.

  • Kramerica Industries

    Even the stupid Mariners are on a bit of a good form right now.

    Still, if there’s one player I want, it’s Morales.

  • Pa Poo

    Is there ANY chance that Wells and/or Ichiro would retire after this season purely out of embarrassment/personal pride?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Neither will. I’m not convinced Ichiro has anything to be embarrassed about either. It’s not his fault the team has him playing a position where more production is normally expected.

      • ArchStanton

        Didn’t Wells mention that he had considered retirement this off-season? I think it came out when he was on his hot streak and everyone was feeling good about things.

        That said, I seriously doubt he would.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’d say its more likely he finishes out the contract, then does. It’s one year. Wouldn’t you?

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

        Huh?
        He’s a RF. He’s always been a RF. It’s the team’s fault they are playing him at the position he’s always played and is most comfortable in?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I don’t even remember what my point was there anymore. :)

    • Brian S.

      Ichiro is on pace for >2 fWAR. He’s actually not having a terrible year but I would still like to see him moved if possible. It’s not fair to him or Kuroda to be stuck on a team going nowhere.

      • RetroRob

        Fair?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Asian fetish: My only explanation.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    So suppose this team continues to remain about 3-5 games out of the WC, closes the gap to about a game or two at some point before October, but falls short and misses the postseason. Would making a run, yet falling short, make the folks on the “sell, sell” side feel vindicated?

    This is where being a fan of a perennial frontrunner, when times get tough, is a tough deal.

    • RetroRob

      These aren’t tough times. Weak, but not tough. Your point about being a fan if a perennial frontrunner is spot on. Yankee fans are spoiled, especially one who have come of age during the 90s.

  • CONservative governMENt

    Would love to see Cano to the Dodgers for Seager, Pederson and either Lee or Urias. Throw in Jobs if they want him.

    Trade Hughes to a team looking at Bud Norris. I think Cashman is pushing the QO talk on Hughes to maintain his trade value, but I have a hard time seeing Hughes turning down $14M or a team trading for him at that number.

    • MalaTESTa

      Me too, but keep dreamin’
      Nobody is giving up prospects to rent Cano for 3 months
      I think Cashman would do it if he could though- could see Hal slapping it down though

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You see contenders doing just that every year.

        • Memes N Themes

          Let’s not let recent history (or decades of history) affect our view of things……

        • Brian S.

          Dodgers aren’t giving up three top 100 prospects for three months of Cano. Maybe two. Also we need to keep Cano if we want to be competitive the next few years. There are other pieces we can sell off (CC, Kuroda, Ichiro, Robertson, Logan, maybe Hughes) but not Cano.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Explain to me:

            1. What being competitive without CC looks like.
            2. How Hughes gets a “maybe” and Logan doesn’t.

            • Brian S.

              CC is making 25 million dollars with a >4 ERA. We can find >4 ERA pitchers for way less and then allocate those resources to another part of the team. Boone Logan could get us a legitimate prospect like Matt Thornton did for the White Sox.

              • Mac

                Other teams can find those Ps much cheaper as well.

          • Mac

            Comment RT responded to just flat said that no team will give up prospects for Cano, nothing about that package specifically.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Based on?

      • RetroRob

        Oh, teams would totally give up prospects for someone of Cano’s level, even for a three-month rental. We’re not talking some okay player here. Cano is one of the best in the game and would have an impact on a team in the playoff hunt. For a team right on the cusp, the prospect of making the postseason, or going further into the postseason is worth millions. They’d love to have Cano, although the match has to be right. The Yankees also aren’t moving him because they are also in the playoff hunt and they are the NY Yankees, even if many fans don’t want to see that.

  • Joe

    We could absolutely get top prospects for either Cano or Kurdoa, and it would be incredibly smart for Cashman to trade both if we’re out of contention at the trade deadline. I just don’t think Cashman will pull the trigger…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I actually think its more about how sure the team is he’s coming back versus being three versus five games out of the WC.

  • emac2

    If it’s such a sellers market maybe we should be selling. If everyone else is overvaluing offensive players learn how to take advantage of the market imbalance.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      Is there any indication that buyer’s are actually overvaluing offensive players, or just the few sellers?
      Asking for a lot doesn’t mean somebody is willing to actually pay a lot.

  • Jim James

    Maybe the front office can keep this in mind the next time it’s the offseason & potential everyday & depth bats will only cost them money. It isn’t even about signing the big ticket free agents, they were nickel & diming their way out of guys that wouldn’t have cost a ton to bring in.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Ibanez in, Hafner out.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      OK, but what would you give up for Raul?

      • FIPster Doofus

        A couple of C prospects (the Yankees have plenty) for a 41-year-old rental DH seems fair.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Kendrys.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Good idea.

  • Robert

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    Dear Mr. Cashman,

    We, as New York Yankees fans, expect to be in contention every year. To an extent, we are in contention this year, but there is just simply no way we can even make the second Wild Card with the way this team is performing.

    Yes, this team that you threw together with guys off the scrap heap is simply not getting the job done. Shocker, right?

    I get that you’ve had success in the past with the scrap heap guys – Eric Chavez, Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Raul Ibanez, etc. But at some point, you have to realize that these guys are on the free agent market for a reason. I give you credit for picking up Lyle Overbay, he has been fantastic, but I unfortunately can’t say the same for the rest of the guys.

    Do you honestly think that players like Luis Cruz, Brent Lillibridge, and Travis Hafner can lead this team to the playoffs?

    Do you understand just how insanely good the American League East is?

    Let’s start with the Boston Red Sox, because they did the off-season the right way. Instead of going out and making a splash to get that one big star player, they spent a lot of money on a multitude of gritty players that could get the job done. Players like Shane Victorino, Mike Napoli, Jonny Gomes, and Koji Uehara have been solid additions for their team because they know how to play good baseball and grind out wins along with the rest of the team.

    Then there’s the Tampa Bay Rays who have won 21 of their last 27 games, and find themselves in second place. You know why they’re successful? Because their team has a nice balance of young players and successful veterans. Let’s just imagine for a moment what would happen if Wil Myers were on the Yankees. What would he be doing right now? I bet that he would still be in Triple-A because he “needs more seasoning,” or something. My point is, the Rays aren’t afraid to call up their young guys. Take a chance every now and then, call up a youngster instead of going out and getting an Alberto Gonzalez for your team.

    The same thing can be said about the Baltimore Orioles, who have gotten success out of Manny Machado this season. They’re young too, and they also have Chris Davis, but you obviously can’t control that.

    My point is, Mr. Cashman, that these teams are successful because they’re not made up of guys from the scrap-heap. I don’t care how many injuries the Yankees currently have, they’re obviously going to keep happening with the way this season is going. There’s so much uncertainty regarding the return of your injured players, that you must go out and make a trade. More importantly, you must acquire a bat.

    I don’t care if it’s an, “offensively offensive market,” you need to get somebody if you want to save this season for the team. Trust me, Mr. Cashman, if you don’t, we can all expect the New York Yankees to be contending for fourth place in the AL East instead of first.

    Sincerely,

    • Robinson Tilapia

      That is the most NoMaas thing I’ve ever read.