Feinsand: Phillies interested in Joba, open to moving Young & Ruiz

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Via Mark Feinsand: The Phillies are open to trading infielder Michael Young and have interest in Joba Chamberlain. Feinsand says it would be a salary dump trade that saves Philadelphia roughly $7M, but I think his math is wrong since the Rangers are paying $10M of the $16M owed to Young this year. He says catcher Carlos Ruiz is available as well.

The Yankees are said to have interest in both Young and Ruiz, which makes sense because they’re rental players who represent big upgrades over the team’s current options at third base and catcher. The idea of acquiring one of those guys in a salary dump featuring Chamberlain seems just a little weird to me because the Phillies aren’t exactly poor. They’re talent-starved more than anything. For what it’s worth, Feinsand says Brian Cashman is “lukewarm at best” about a deal with the Phillies, but I suspect that’s just typical GM poker face stuff.

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  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Gimme.

    • Gonzo

      Choooooch!

  • Tim

    Feinsand strikes me as the type that would bite on the Cubs stance of “we are considering extending Matt Garza”.

  • matt s

    Finally a rumor that doesn’t make me cringe. I can’t believe anyone would be interested in Joba at this point though, unless they feel he just needs a change of scenery.

    • Preston

      I don’t think anyone is interested in him as a main peice of any kind of significant trade. It’s just much easier for a beat writer to find out when a team is scouting a big league player vs. minor league players.

  • http:/www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew)

    I bet Papelbon is pulling for this trade so they can have a “who can say more stupid shit to/in front of the press” contest.

    • Gonzo

      Stepbrothers 2 starring Joba and Paps!

      • jsbrendog

        frighteningly, id watch that

  • Andrew

    If the Braves want Joba (as has frequently been reported), maybe he gets spun off there and the Yankees use their return from that deal + non-top-shelf prospects of their own to get what they can from Philly. Might not be enough for both Young & Ruiz but either one of them would be a big upgrade. Then maybe find the 2nd necessary piece, preferably an infielder since catchers are hard to come by, on another selling team.

  • Preston

    I have little to no interest in Young. Even a hobbled A-Rod is probably the better defender/baserunner, and I think he’ll probably every bit as good a hitter as young has been this season, with the added bonus that we don’t have to give up any prospects or take on any more money to get him. Carlos Ruiz on the other hand I definitely want.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      A-Rod isn’t all that close to returning right now, though. They also need a platoon partner for Overbay and someone to fill in at third whenever A-Rod takes a day off, which might be a often at first.

      • jsbrendog

        oh yeah, i’d take him cause he is def an upgrade but man is he doing crappy.

      • Preston

        I get that he’d still be useful, I just would rather spend the money and prospects on something better like Logan Morrison or Kendrys Morales that would give us a legitimate everyday player and not a marginal role player. Plus I’ve just never really liked the guy.

    • jsbrendog

      yikes, young with a negative war…ooof

      • mitch

        That’s mostly because of his poor fielding at 3rd. He’s still an above-average hitter. Even without Arod, they’ll be able to get him plenty of ABs at first and DH and limit the amount of time he spends at 3rd. I think he’d be an asset.

        • jsbrendog

          http://www.baseball-reference......mi02.shtml

          no, he is not. he is league average and barely better than overbay. no power, 6 hr, average ops+ of 105, 108 wrc+

          http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?
          playerid=1286&position=SS#advanced

          • jsbrendog

            and that is after an abomination of a season last yr

            • Mikhel

              Better than Ishikawa?

              • jsbrendog

                i didnt say he wasn’t. i was just refuting the over rating of michael young here based on his previous production and not on his current production. depending on the cost he is a worthwhile upgrade.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Of course. If this were truly as simple as “Joba for Young,” which I honestly don’t imagine it is, even though I just made a joke comment about it below, then I’d argue that even a shit version of Young might have more value to the Yanks than Joba does.

          • mitch

            that’s a pretty big upgrade over what they have right now

            • Preston

              On the hitting side, but when you consider that Adams and Luis Cruz are plus defenders and Young is atrocious their values get surprisingly close. Young would be an upgrade as long as he was used as a platoon partner at 1b/DH and only occasionally at 3b (and pulled for a defensive replacement at some point in the late innings). But he is no longer useful enough in the field or good enough with the bat to be an everyday third baseman.

              • mitch

                Totally agree…i’d only bring him in for the role you outlined.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  +1

              • Mikhel

                And even comparing Adams vs Cruz, David comes as the lesser of the two; I am even thinking that Adams won’t be coming back at least this season seeing how Cruz can field even in the OF.

                I am not sure if he has played in the OF in MLB and minors, but I’ve seen him play there in winter ball and the guy does a good job; as I’ve said it before, it is understandable, his dad (“el cochito” nickname was his dads nickname) was a very good defender and teached Luis a lot (kinda like Karim García, whose dad, Francisco “pancho” García, was the best base stealer in México until a few years ago, and Karim even at his age is still a very fast and smart runner).

          • Kosmo

            Young hit LHP at a .333 clip last year something NY could use. I´d rather have Young who could easily fit in as a 1b/3B/DH and could fake 2B and SS in a pinch.

            • jsbrendog

              didn’t say i wouldn’t either. everyone is putting words in my mouth. the post clearly states facts. michael young is a league average hitter at best currently.

              • Kosmo

                I was not directly responding to you more so to everyone in general.

      • Nat King Kong

        Young is hitting .288 with a .344 obp. I couldn’t care less what his nerdstats are. He would immediately become our best right-handed hitter (before ARod and Jeter come back), and I’d prefer to see him at dh over Travis “.218″ Hafner, and he’s versatile. We have no idea what, if anything, we’re going to get out of ARod. Young knows how to hit, and he’s not washed up (or neverwere), like most of the guys currently holding down spots in our lineup. Even in his bad year last year, it’s not like he hit .105, which is what half the guys we have now have hit for the past month. He hit .277 last year, and clearly he’s bounced back from that this year. He’s a big upgrade over Travis Ishakawa and whoever else Cashman has picked up dumpster diving. Plus he should be cheap, and getting him shouldn’t preclude us from picking up someone like Morales either. We need multiple bats.

        • Preston

          “I couldn’t care less what his nerdstats are” I want you to look at your life and reconsider your stance on “nerds”. You are typing away on an incredibly complex machine that is sending messages through a vast network of information to communicate with the world. I’d be willing to venture that you have no idea how any of those things work or how they are created. “Nerds” invented the technology then made software so that even people like you and I can use them. If “nerds” know that much more than you about really difficult complex things, I promise you they know more about how to analyze stats (which you cited) on a baseball diamond.

          • Nat King Kong

            Lighten up, Preston. Merely pointing out that not everyone is so enamored with the new wave of stat as many on this blog.

            Young is a baseball player, and he’s been a damn good hitter his entire career. He still is a good hitter, who knows how to hit, as evidenced by the fact that he’s hitting .288 with a .344 obp.

            I can guarantee you that, if asked, Derek Jeter and the rest of his prospective teammates on the Yanks, will not be blurting out, “What’s his fWAR???”

            • Preston

              Nobody is denying that he is an upgrade with his bat, his fWAR is low because he’s useless with the glove. Players like Jeter are notoriously bad judges of talent and prone to getting caught up in useless platitudes like he’s a “competitor” or a “professional”. So are a lot of other people, but that doesn’t make them good at baseball. You might not be enamored with new wave stats, that doens’t mean that they aren’t better at judging player value.

        • jsbrendog

          michael young is in fact washed up brodus

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      I wouldn’t give up anything significant for Young, but they can definitely use him.
      Way too soon to count on ARod for anything, especially with a possible suspension looming even if he gets healthy enough to play. Young would be a pretty good insurance policy, as long as the price in players isn’t high.
      Even if ARod gets back, he won’t play 3rd everyday, and Young can still serve as RH 1B/occasional DH.

      • Preston

        There will be no suspension unless A-Rod decides not to appeal. That’s an A-Rod fiasco for next season. Honestly I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather let Nunez try his hand at 3b again rather than have Young. Young has posted a pretty Nunez like UZR/150 over the past two seasons (-35 in 2012 and -17.5 this year), he’s a horrible baserunner and ZIPS has him regressing with the bat the rest of the season. Sure he’s better than what David Adams has been, but for six million dollars and a mid level prospect I’d expect a little bit more.

        • Kosmo

          it would be more like 2 million not 6 million.

          • Preston

            Right, Texas is paying most of his salary, forgot.

        • Mikhel

          Who of the current NYY’s are below/above league average?

          • Preston

            http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;sort=17,d

            Players with a wRC+ of above 100 are better than league average, players below 100 are below league average, at least offensively. So basically Cano is the only person who’s comfortably above league average in a meaningful sample size.

    • trr

      I think we SHOULD be interested in Young, and Ruiz for that matter. Major upgrades, and sensible too…

      Gonna take a lot more than Joba to get it done.

      • OhioYanks

        For Ruiz, sure, probably not taking much more than Joba for Young, though. He was dealt this offseason for Lindblom and Lisalverto Bonilla. He’s played better this season than last, but still not well. And the Yankees are getting 1/2 the time the Phillies were.

        • Kosmo

          Ruiz for Romine and Whitley should do it or a PTBNL like Joseph. Adams, Romine and Whitley.????

          • OhioYanks

            Could be reasonable, but I have no idea.

        • trr

          If we could do Young/Joba straight up, let’s do it! ASAP

          • OhioYanks

            I don’t know that they’d be interested in Joba since he’s expiring (might want to get him in and see if they feel like re-signing him, I guess), but probably wouldn’t take much more. He’s probably improved his stock a tiny bit with an ok half season, but he was dealt for a swingman and BP prospect with big control problems this offseason.

      • Gonzo

        I’m curious as to why Amaro would trade those guys for someone who’s a FA at the end of the year.

        Maybe he wants to see if Joba is worth a contract now or at the end of the year. Maybe it’s just the beginning of the talks and those are the only names that leaked.

        Who knows, maybe that’s why they call him Ruin Tomorrow Jr. in some circles.

        • Kosmo

          is that true “Ruin tmrw Jr.“? first time I´ve heard it and it does fit. Good one.

          • Gonzo

            It was on Wikipedia page before it was fixed. Some people totally call him that.

    • Rizzuto

      Just curious, how many games have you watched Michael Young play this season?

  • YanksFan

    I wouldn’t mind either player since they are both upgrades over what the team is currently putting there. I would not give up much for either one though.

    Question about the money is this: Is the money that Texas paying going directly against Young’s salary or is that money that Philly gets to keep? Meaning that they don’t have to necessarily allocate it to Young & keep it with him upon trading?

  • Evan3457

    At this point, Young seems like a right-handed Ichiro to me, except he’s a terrible defender who’s an outright liability at 3rd, so he’d have to play 1st to have value, and his bat doesn’t merit it.

    Still, Overbay is so bad against lefties it might be worth it.

    • mitch

      A right-handed Ichiro would be like the 4th best hitter in their lineup right now.

      • trr

        mmm-hmmm

      • nycsportzfan

        exactly. How is it even a debate on how bad we need offense over worrying about Defense right now? Its not even a debate. If a players offensively better then defensively, then we need em.

    • Kosmo

      stop nitpicking. Young has played about 80 games at 3b this season. He can still hit. Quite possibly if he´s back in the AL we might see an offensive resurgence.

      • Evan3457

        80 games at 3rd at -12 BIS +/- DRS, and -17.5 UZR runs/150 games.
        That kind of 3rd base play negates a large portion of his value, considering he’s barely above average as a hitter. Now, if you want to platoon him with Overbay at 1st and Hafner at DH, I have no problem with that.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      He’s a right handed Ichiro who hits for a better average, has more power, takes more walks and can fake 3B on occasion.

      Of course being better than Ichiro offensively in every way and being a starting caliber player in the MLB are two very, very different things.

      • Evan3457

        Ichiro: 1.5 bWAR, 0.9 fWAR
        Young: -0.4 bWAR, 0.4 fWAR

        I’m not saying Young has no conceivable value to the Yanks. What I’m saying is that if they make him the regular 3rd baseman, that value is negated.

        Having another decent right-handed hitter in the lineup would certainly help, but mostly as a platoon partner for Overbay and Hafner at this point.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          That’s just cause Ruin Tomorrow and Chawley insist on playing him at 3B. He’d be a huge upgrade on Overbay as a 1B, though.

          • OhioYanks

            His UZR/150 is -6.4 at 1B. He might not be as bad, but I don’t think there’s much argument he’d be good at 1B. He could complement Overbay in a platoon, but he’d be the little spoon and his career splits aren’t huge.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              He’s got less than half a season total at 1B, UZR doesn’t stabilize till the third season.

              He’s probably not good, but he’s also probably not awful, either. Not to mention that he’s playable against both righties and lefties, so he can spell Overbay and DH for good measure.

              I think he’d be a really useful super-sub.

  • Jay

    Apparently, the Yankees have used 43 players already this year after using 45 all of last year. I have 41 so far. I can’t figure out the last two and it’s driving me mad

    Catchers:
    Stewart, Romine, Cervelli

    Infielders:
    Overbay, Ishikawa, Cano, Nunez, Gonzalez, Cruz, Nix, Nelson, Adams, Youkilis, Teixeira, Joseph

    Outfielders:
    Ichiro, Gardner, Almonte, Wells, Francisco, Neal, Boesch

    DH: Hafner

    Pitchers:
    Sabathia, Kuroda,Pettitte,Hughes, Nova, Warren, Chamberlain, Claiborne, Logan, Kelley, Robertson, Rivera, Phelps, Bootcheck, Warren, Eppley, Nuno, Huff

    • Bob Buttons

      Marshall?

      • Jay

        Yes I meant to put him but put Warren twice. Thanks. Long reliever fail.

    • Adam

      Granderson is your 43rd.

      • Jay

        Thanks. Can’t believe forgot him

    • Rick in Philly

      You’re missing Brignac

      • trr

        I’m not missing Brignac

  • Jay

    Brignac. One more

  • Adam

    Ty Wiggington released…I would take him over Ishikawa. At least he’s right-handed and can platoon with Overbay. And if the Yanks actually do go out and make a deal for a real corner infielder, it’s easy to just cut him. There’s no downside to signing him. Either way, you’re replacing shit with shit but at least Wiggington is a righty.

  • Oy

    Yeah well, chances are that the only player who Amaro would give up for Joba would be Young. Delmon Young.

    Sad thing is, the trade would be fair.

    • mitch

      Even more sad is that it might benefit the Yankees. I’d take Young as a temporary right-handed DH until Arod is back.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Weren’t the Yanks interested in trading for Ruiz before the PED thing? Total upgrade offensively.
    Ty Wigginton was just released by the Cards, his hitting is abysmal this year.

  • mustang(The Has Been & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    Cardinals Release Ty Wigginton

    I Like to be the first to welcome Ty to Yankees best of luck.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      He’ll be here before half the fan base figures out how to spell “Ishawaka.”

      • Mikhel

        LOL

    • Kosmo

      the Yanks are becoming more like Joe Pepitone´s fantasy camp. Come give it a shot.

      • ChrisS

        Billy Crystal is a righty, isn’t he?

        • Kosmo

          sign him up !

    • jsbrendog

      if they didn’t sign francouer i doubt they sign wiggy (im actually shocked they didnt sign francouer)

      • Crime Dog

        The thing is, Franceour had a choice in where he went. So, there’s no saying who went after him and stuff. Same with Wiggy. I could really do without him, but if the Yankees and Wiggy both are interested it could happen.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Joba for Young? Where do I sign?

  • UncleArgyle

    It is a disgrace Joba is still a Yankee after basically threatening Mo. Trade home for anything. In a package for Ruiz? Even better.

    • UncleArgyle

      *him

    • Gonzo

      It’s not like he stole Jeter’s glove.

    • BFDeal

      Threatened Mo…lol

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You have no clue how much I’m laughing at my desk right now.

      • Gonzo

        Mo’s fingers were crossed in that post-fight, makeup photo.

        He’s being held hostage!

    • trr

      That’s water under bridge… point is, the team needs immed upgrades if we’re going to contend. If that includes trading Joba, so be it. I have no problem with it.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Wow, someone’s bringing back reaaaaally old storylines.

  • Brian S.

    Phillies suck

  • Jay

    I don’t understand why the Phillies are interested in Chamberlain. They’re two games under .500

    • Gonzo

      Paps needs a drinking buddy.

    • trr

      mebbe we should pull the trigger now

  • Joba’s Trampoline Academy

    I’ll help Joba pack…the Yankees should jump on this in a heartbeat!!!

    • Monterowasdinero

      Love the handle. Joba sure has had his ups and downs…..

      I’m with you…

  • emac2

    I say we go all in and trade Arod, Hughes and Joba for Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Young and 15 million dollars in 2014.

    • trr

      I say we go to the bar

      • Preston

        I say sounds like he’s already been there

  • Brian S.

    Trade CC to the A’s for Addison Russell and Sonny Gray.

    • Gonzo

      I like the audacity but the A’s would never take on that much money. I love me some Addison Russell though.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Oh Brian.

    • Lukaszek

      We better not trade for a dude named Addison.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    From Yanks Fan earlier:

    Question about the money is this: Is the money that Texas paying going directly against Young’s salary or is that money that Philly gets to keep? Meaning that they don’t have to necessarily allocate it to Young & keep it with him upon trading?

    anybody?

    • Gonzo

      I don’t have time to pull up the CBA and comb through it right now, but I am pretty sure it’s Young’s salary. The wording in the CBA makes it seem so because of luxury tax implications.

      • Gonzo

        Just my 2 cents.

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          thanks

  • Jersey Joe

    Michael Young would make a lot of sense. It’s really a No-Brainer if all they give up is Joba + marginal prospect.

  • Crime Dog

    What in the hell would Philly want with Joba if they would be sending back a major leaguer? Unless they wanna give him a three month look, and then first shot at extending him? That’s all I could think of really… Either way, Chooch and Young would look good in this lineup. If they want Joba, I’d be more than willing to part with the guy who’s 5th on the reliever pecking order.

  • qwerty

    Cashman isn’t trading Joba for anyone short of Mike Trout, Bryce Harper or Dominic Brown and that’s that.

  • tommy cassellla

    the sooner the yanks get rid of joba, the better

  • rose heller

    I will even drive hughes to the airport.