Game 103: The Return of Soriano


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Nine years and five months ago, the Yankees traded Alfonso Soriano (and Joaquin Arias) to the Rangers for Alex Rodriguez. Today, Soriano makes his return to New York after being acquired from the Cubs for a minor league right-hander Corey Black.

The Yankees were — and still are, really — desperate for power, particularly from the right side, which is why Soriano made sense. He’s a flawed player, no doubt about it, but the Bombers needed another guy who can put runs on the board with one swing of the bat. Having only one player who can do that is no way to go through life in a small ballpark in the AL East. Here’s the lineup that will face right-hander Jeremy Hellickson:

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. LF Alfonso Soriano
  5. 1B Lyle Overbay
  6. SS Eduardo Nunez
  7. DH Travis Hafner
  8. 3B Brent Lillibridge
  9. C Austin Romine

Soriano’s return is the big story, but the Yankees really need a strong outing from tonight’s starter, left-hander CC Sabathia. The team’s nominal ace has a 5.19 ERA and 4.37 FIP in his last eleven starts, which includes 14 (!) homers allowed in 76.1 innings. He needs to be better and he knows it. Tonight would be a good night to start being better.

It’s a little cloudy outside but the weather is fine in New York. High-70s/low-80s with some humidity and no threat of rain. Pretty good baseball weather. First pitch is scheduled for 7:05pm ET and can be seen on My9. Enjoy.

Roster Updates: Obviously, the Soriano trade is official. He will wear #12 with Vernon Wells switching to #22 … Thomas Neal was sent back to Triple-A Scranton to clear a 25-man roster spot for Soriano. The team already had an open 40-man roster spot.

Injury Updates: Alex Rodriguez (quad) did non-baseball activity today and will progress to fielding drills and soft-toss hitting tomorrow … Derek Jeter (quad) continued to hit and run the bases today. He’s scheduled for a check-up and another workout tomorrow. If all goes well, he could come off the DL on Saturday, the first day he’s eligible … Frankie Cervelli (hand) has some soreness and will be re-evaluated.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. forensic says:

    Another day, another pitiful utility IFer heading to Scranton, only to be one weird step away from joining the Yankees.

    They’re going to be broke after paying for all the WS rings after this year.

  2. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    It’s interesting that the money in the Soriano deal wasn’t structured to minimize luxury tax impact next year.

    Does this mean the Yankees have given up on $189M in 2014?

    Or are the Yankees nearing the limits of what they’re willing to spend this season, and giving themselves less flexibility in the $189M plan next year to save some money this year?

    • trr says:

      I’m taking a wait and see attitude on that whole 189m thing. If we finish poorly this year ( hope not) cutting payroll might be a tough sell.

    • forensic says:

      Or are the Yankees nearing the limits of what they’re willing to spend this season, and giving themselves less flexibility in the $189M plan next year to save some money this year?

      Unfortunately, I have no reason to believe it’s not this, which is certainly a bad sign already.

      But hey, they have their OF and (possibly) DH already set for next year’s team, that’s exciting…

  3. Jay says:

    Anyone know the last time the Yankees had a home run?

  4. nsalem says:

    Tough match-up. CC better come up big. Longoria and Rodriguez have been killing Sabathia.

  5. The Real Greg says:

    So the Yankees have actually outscored the Rays this year in head to head matchups. You know Suzyn,….

  6. forensic says:

    I sat Zobrist on my fantasy team for this game, so feel free to go out and throw a no-hitter CC!

  7. Karl Krawfid says:

    CC got away with a hanger.

  8. Darren says:

    It would be pretty swell to get a great start from CC and a couple of dingers. We’re certainly due for a tide little 5-0 win, on the way to a sweep.

    For you youngsters, we were 14.5 games back on August 1st in ’78 and we won the World Series. No reason we can’t claw back from 6 back.

    • RetroRob says:

      That ’78 team was not fielding the lineups we’ve been seeing from the ’13 Yankees! Hopefully the return of Jeter, Granderson and the trade for Soriano will put the offense in the right direction.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      Everyone is also hell bent that the Red Sox are for real. There is as good a chance that they fall to earth (with very little pitching and riding career years from a couple of highly unlikely guys…) as them finishing with 100 wins.

  9. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    CC has a string and QUICK 1-2-3 inning. Here’s to 8 more

  10. Eddard says:

    This is a must win series. They’ve got some pop now in the cleanup spot. CC needs to step up.

  11. vicki says:

    pretty sure you meant ‘eagerly’, michael.

  12. Eddard says:

    Jesus Christ. That almost took his head off.

  13. Pat D says:

    Wow. I’m really glad he caught that.

  14. Wheels says:

    What number did Soriano choose?

  15. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Wow, lucky play from Hellickson

  16. EndlessJose says:



  17. ExitCashman says:

    Does Soriano run to first base on a dropped third strike at his advanced age?

  18. nsalem says:

    Rodriguez open base

  19. The Real Greg says:

    Location failure once again

  20. The Real Greg says:

    That’s another hanger. That’s 3 he’s thrown, 2 for outs.

  21. Eddard says:

    CC hasn’t done a damn thing to improve. He’s lucky it’s not 2-0 now.

  22. forensic says:

    If his location is as bad a John and Suzyn are making it out to be, then that 5.19ERA for CC is only going to go up quite a bit.

  23. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    How did Sorianos throw look? I don’t remember if he’s got an arm or not.

  24. RetroRob says:

    If CC’s command is off because of something mechanical in his delivery, then that could also impact velocity.

    Whatever, but hopefully he eventually figures it out.

  25. Karl Krawfid says:

    Hanging everything.

    CC is cooked.

  26. Cy Pettitte says:

    CC is throwing BP

  27. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores says:

    CC, as per recent tradition, look pretty bad. And the Yanks, as per recent edition, gave up a run within the first three innings.

    Ho hum.

  28. The Real Greg says:

    He is in Mike Mussina land right now. Needs to learn how to pitch with less velocity

  29. BigBlueAL says:

    Jesus Christ, every pitch CC leaves up is getting absolutely crushed.

  30. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    CC is serving up some fatness…

  31. Leg-End says:

    One in three is hanging right now, come on CC sort it.

  32. RetroRob says:

    CC needs to eat more Captain Crunch.

  33. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    awful CC is awful

  34. Karl Krawfid says:


  35. The Real Greg says:

    Now that one was not CCs fault. That was a blooper

  36. forensic says:

    Geez CC…

  37. The Real Greg says:

    And he is cooked. And the worst part is that you can’t blame the Yankees for resigning him at the time.

    • forensic says:

      Sure you can. There were reasons to sign him, but there were also plenty of reasons to be concerned and not re-commit big money to him at that point.

  38. Eddard says:

    So bad. Just take him out and put in Warren. CC is the biggest bust of the season.

  39. Leg-End says:

    The wheels are coming off early again.

  40. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    fucking ridiculous

  41. Karl Krawfid says:

    Turning this shit off.

    Have a nice day folks.

  42. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Son of a…

    I wonder if the big man is hurt. Because this shit is getting a little out of hand

  43. Cy Pettitte says:

    well this game is over. CC is such trash.

  44. RetroRob says:

    Depressing start here.

  45. The Real Greg says:

    Shall I call the game?

  46. stuart a says:

    1 and 2/3 innings how many mistakes so far for CC? 3 or 4.. single to FUld is a killer.

    no idea what is going on with this guy.. he threw at least 3 pitches 94 mph..

    train wreck. CC cannot field so that hurts also…

  47. ExitCashman says:

    CC won’t come out until he’s thrown 100.

  48. forensic says:

    Well, this is terrific.

  49. Eddard says:

    If Phelps or Pineda was inserted into the rotation for CC the staff ERA would instantly get better. Those first two guys cost a couple pennies, CC costs $20 million and is a big fat bust.

  50. Cy Pettitte says:

    god dammit I fucking hate this fat peace of shit.

  51. Leg-End says:

    5 runs…..oh boy.

  52. forensic says:

    Are you serious right now CC???

  53. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores says:

    If the Yankees are buying, they damn well better buy more than Soriano. Otherwise, why buy? Just sell, it’ll help you way more in the long run. Sori is a nice pick-up but very, very far from a difference maker in all likelihood.

  54. stuart a says:

    why would the yanks be caught off guard? cc and pettitte cannot field..

    5 runs for fatty… train wreck…AGAIN

  55. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Warren please

  56. Revan says:

    I feel bad for the fans. Might as well leave now.

  57. forensic says:

    Was that booing for CC I heard in the background on the radio?

  58. BigBlueAL says:

    Tampa is just so much better than the Yankees its not even funny.

  59. Eddard says:


  60. Dave M says:

    CC really should just retire

  61. Cy Pettitte says:

    fucking boo. this is ridiculous.

  62. Leg-End says:

    Well thats the batting practice out of the way, whens the game start?

  63. forensic says:

    Thank you for that gift Myers.

  64. Revan says:

    Phantom DL Sabathia or something. But knowing Girardi he’ll ride him to 120 pitches again.

    • rich says:

      He should ride him, maybe he can get injured or something and he’ll be done for the season. His ERA is nearing 5.

  65. RetroRob says:

    Six runs in two innings. That is, ummm, not good.

    Yet I feel a win. Perhaps it’s the wine.

  66. forensic says:

    Hope Warren ate his Wheaties this morning.

  67. OldYanksFan says:

    So….. anything good on TV tonight?

  68. stuart a says:

    Game is over BTW…

    they cannot score so this game is OVER….

  69. Eddard says:

    Soriano ain’t gonna score 5 runs. CC needs to go. He’s not helping the club. Pineda or Phelps could do better for a fraction of the cost.

  70. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    Wow, that fucking sucked

  71. The Real Greg says:

    Well that was quick.

    Again, I will ask, should the Yankees have resigned him at the time?

    • forensic says:

      I was actually slightly on the side of being against re-signing him.

      • The Real Greg says:

        So you didn’t want him back? It’s interesting because at the time it seemed like a necessity.

        Of course if the Yankees had the pitching development like Tampa Bay, it wouldn’t be.

        • forensic says:

          Just slightly. I totally understand why they did re-sign him, and can’t question it a ton, but the concerns I (and some others) had have shown up the last 2 seasons or so.

  72. ExitCashman says:

    Wow, game over before Alfonso hits

  73. stuart a says:

    you cannot throw the ball down the middle of the plate period.

    how many did CC throw right down the middle of the playe that inning?

    5 or 6 pitches…

  74. RetroRob says:

    Six-run HR, please, Sori.

  75. ClayDavis says:

    CC completely ruining Soriano’s return

  76. Realist says:

    Game over and lets face it the chances of the playoffs are slim to none with this team.


  77. blech says:

    Another big steaming pile of poo left on the mound by Sabathia.

  78. Frank says:

    CC is fading real fast- like falling off a cliff fast. And Yanks have him for 4 more years? Yikes.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Again, the Mike Mussina problem.
      Took Mussina a long time to pitch with a lower velocity.

      • LK says:

        Mike Mussina FBv and FIP, 2002 – 2008:
        89.2, 3.64
        89.6, 3.09
        88.7, 3.95
        88.3, 4.01
        88.6, 3.46
        87.1, 4.01
        86.4, 3.32

        The Mussina narrative is overblown in my opinion. He didn’t so much “learn how to pitch with lower velocity” so much as he “had a .340 BABIP in 2007 and then was awesome his last year.”

        There’s also the fact that CC’s velocity has gotten better as the season has progressed, and his results have gotten worse at the same time.

  79. Gonzo says:

    Well that was quick.

  80. RetroRob says:

    CC getting spanked.

    Unnecessary imaging, Michael.

  81. Kramerica Industries says:

    I never really thought I’d see the day where Sabathia was this fucking awful.

    I mean, even the most optimistic people can’t defend this shit right now. Sabathia is legitimately pitching like a minor leaguer right now. Doesn’t even give the Yankees a chance to win the games he starts.

  82. forensic says:

    John and Suzyn are about one step short of comparing Soriano to a Pujols in his prime. At least they’re not going overboard on his impact.

  83. Eddard says:

    CC’s problem isn’t the lower velocity, it’s the location. He’s leaving every ball up. Andy’s pitching better than him and he doesn’t throw 90. If we do make the playoffs here’s our rotation-


    Cut Boone Logan and make CC a $20 million LOOGY.

  84. stuart a says:

    his velocity is still very good. the gun said 94 a few times last inning…

    it is location…and his change is 86, it would be better at 84

  85. The Real Greg says:

    It’s like watching a gigantic train wreck. Seeing the Rays and their EXCELLENT FARM SYSTEM thriving while the Yankees and their CRAPPY FARM SYSTEM struggles.

    • rich says:

      The Rays are this decades Oakland. All that slurping and no rings. And this year the same thing will happen.

    • stuart a says:

      be horrible for 5 years get david price with the first pick longoria with the 3rd pick, etc..

      • The Real Greg says:

        That’s gone by the wayside though. We are past that era.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          All/most of the homegrown guys they have now are a direct result of that era.

          • The Real Greg says:

            Not for the last 6 years.

            And even if they have had high picks in the first round, but they have had success late too. Matt Moore was an 8th round pick in the Price draft.

            Desmond Jennings 10th round etc.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

              Not for the last 6 years.

              What’s not from the last 6 years. Look at when their good players were drafted.

              • The Real Greg says:

                I know that. But then I said that even in the drafts where they had high picks, a lot of their players have not come from the first round.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        I don’t know if you learned to count or anything but those are only two players. Most of their high round selections actually busted.

        The rest of their team are late first rounders to double digit rounders.

        I blame Cano though.

    • Brian S. says:

      The Yankees have a decent farm system. Fantastic depth but lack of top 100 prospects to hang with the top 10 farms in the game.

  86. Tom says:

    The really frustrating thing?

    It was 1-0 with 2 out and Jose Lobaton and Sam Fuld coming up. And once again CC struggles with the bottom of the order.

    CC is 30% worse than league average against the 7-9 hitters this year.

    • rich says:

      I swear I think he is tipping pitches. As well as location. These hitters, especially the lefties are just way too comfortable out there

  87. Pasta says:

    Seriously we can not let CC go out there every fivevdays and throw batting practice.
    Quick hook burnett rules need apply.

  88. JLC 776 says:

    Complete garbage. I think CC can learn to be an effective pitcher again, but nothing worries me more than the fact that he is goin through this transition right before we lose half of the rotation in 2014. We need to hold onto Hughes.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      They need upper rotation starters. They have enough back end guys.

  89. Curtis Hennig says:

    Well, that was a depressing inning.

    At least when the team was horribly underperforming last year, there was something to get angry about – that stupid streaky Swisher! goddamn that Granderson, and his batting average! Tex, maybe just maybe you could try not pulling the ball sometime, considering how teams leave the other side of the field completely open against you; etc.

    This team is just sad. I can’t hate the pitchers, even when they fuck up, because they’ve been really good generally. I can’t hate the players, either…they’re pitiful, but utility players, old DHs, and AAA players are supposed to be pitiful when they have to play every day. It’s not Jayson Nix’s fault that he’s starting. Lyle Overbay is bad, but he’s not as bad as somebody saying ‘Teixeira is injured again? Oh, no big deal, I am sure he will be fine and back by May. But just in case we’ll get a dependable backup…Kevin Youkilis, maybe? Okay, I think my work is done, we’re set for the year.’

  90. stuart a says:

    does michael kay even look a the radar gun?

    is he thick?

    he is not only at 91 mph

  91. WhittakerWalt says:

    Is this shit really happening?

    • The Real Greg says:

      Its been happening for awhile.

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        I know. I’ve been arguing for two months that people have been giving CC a pass. Every time he gives up 6 runs we hear an excuse parade for how half those runs weren’t “real” runs. Will that happen today? Only time will tell.

  92. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    He’s got nothing.
    Let Warren pitch.

    • The Real Greg says:

      He’ll get to pitch, don’t worry.

      The game is already over so there’s no need to worry about that

  93. Pasta says:

    Sabathia needs a dl stint call it a
    Get ready for it
    QUAD. lol

  94. Kramerica Industries says:

    Holy shit are the people at SUN Sports pretentious morons.

    This network NEVER does game breaks (you know; showing highlights from another live game), but they whip it out tonight when the Rays have a chance to move into 1st place.

    You know, for fucks sake, the Rays have won two division titles since 2008. Act like you’ve been there before.

  95. Leg-End says:

    Can’t buy an out.

  96. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Wow. 6 runs and its only the 3rd. CC really getting hammered by the Rays this year. And yet hasn’t his velocity picked up lately? What is going on…

  97. Cy Pettitte says:

    maybe his foot is hurt, he should skip 4 or 5 starts

  98. vicki says:

    not hurt? bad beat.

  99. ExitCashman says:

    10-0 before CC goes…

  100. number 21 says:

    Not another big inning please.

  101. stuart a says:

    sabathia does not field his postion that was ok when you have a under 1 WHIP, that is no longer the case.

    he does not hold runners, and he cannot field..Hiroki and Mussina were the exact opposite…

    wow this is getting incredibly ugly, the bile on this site tonight may be epic…

  102. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Romine isn’t doing well to earn more pt.

  103. Wheels says:

    I would be pissed if I paid a lot for tickets to this game.

  104. John says:

    there has to be something wrong with CC .. i just cant seem to understand how he has gotten so bad so fast

  105. Kramerica Industries says:

    Honestly, the sadist in me is hoping for C.C.’s ERA to reach 5 at this point.

    Just for the sheer hilarity of it all.

    • forensic says:

      I was actually looking to see what it would take to get there. 5 ER this inning without getting an out. Unlikely, but if they just keep him out there, who knows.

      Either way, he’ll certainly have a chance to get there next time out.

  106. Cy Pettitte says:

    why is he still in this game? this is just stupid.

  107. forensic says:

    Yeah, just leave him in there. Clearly he’s figuring it out…

    • The Real Greg says:

      You can when your offense gives you no hope to score 6 runs period and therefore end the game in the second inning.

  108. Tom says:

    3-1 changeup to Yunel Escobar?

    Hard to pitch effectively when you have zero confidence in your fastball. All 3 walks are on chageups.

  109. The Real Greg says:

    I actually have thought about that theory. If him losing his weight threw his mechanics out of whack. because he was so used to pitching with a lot of girth

  110. JonS says:

    So what to do about CC? Clearly the #NotAnAce things is solidified now, but even worse, he’s not even a 2. He’s been pitching like a low 3-4.

  111. RetroRob says:

    …perfect setup for the grand slam HR from the Legend of Sam Fuld.

  112. RetroRob says:

    CC will not give up a run for the rest of the year.

    This wine is good.

  113. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    It’s called a “change-up” ! You see, what you do is grip the ball all the way in the palm of your hand, wrap your fingers loosely around baseball …., and then release it like a fastball. Desired effect is to keep hitters off balance. Example ? See The Rays rotation. They’re taught this pitch from day one.

  114. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Its a minor miracle they got out of that without giving up any more runs.

  115. Mike Stanley says:


  116. stuart a says:

    he is in a pitching slump. all the hits were bad pitches over the plate the guy is not throwing 88.. he has thrown how many pitches at 93 or more? 10 or 12??

    you cannot throw the ball down the middle of the plate.

  117. The Real Greg says:

    E. Get injured again

  118. Kramerica Industries says:

    Yay for no perfect game/no hitter.

  119. Crime Dog says:

    I think they’re just doing Soriano a favor. Showing him what being with the team’s like now. Tomorrow they’ll win 2-1 with all singles. He’s gotta see the ups and downs obviously.

  120. Mike Stanley says:

    Soriano having his first AB with his team down 6-0 is something he’s used to after the last 10 years.

  121. Kramerica Industries says:

    Yay for no shutout.

  122. RetroRob says:

    DFA Stewart.

  123. forensic says:

    Start the comeback!!!

    • forensic says:

      And nice to see Girardi actually play Romine again instead of just instinctively putting Stewart back in.

  124. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Not a shutout!!!!

  125. number 21 says:

    Romine hitting the ball well at least.

  126. Wheels says:

    Well, good to see Romine continue with his good hitting.

  127. Mike Stanley says:

    Hey, play a rookie through struggles and they may come out of it, WHAT A CONCEPT

    //Unlike every other org

  128. Elton Cod says:

    There was so much scrappiness to that run. Brent Lillibridge is an American hero. He may not be very good, but he knows how to poke one into the gap and then hustle to second on a ball in the dirt. He manufactures runs, like Americans manufacture cars.

    • Lukaszek says:

      But then Detroit happens to America, and now you can’t manufacture runs no more. The Yankees have essentially become Detroit.

  129. forensic says:

    Romine’s off the interstate too.

  130. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    Cashman Failed

    $100 million and 4 miserable years left on cc’s contract

    • stuart a says:

      i am sure you were against resigning CC…

      I will fetch your blog comment to that affect right now!!!


      • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

        Yeah, CC wasn’t worth the money… Said nobody ever. And when he opted out and re-signed he was far and away the best pitcher we’d seen in pinstripes since Clemens. Yeah, he was.

  131. Elton Cod says:

    This is the beginning of the comeback. We are going to get 8 more consecutive singles and tie the game up.

  132. Crime Dog says:

    Josh Pettitte (Andy’s son) tweeted that David Cone needs to “stop commenting on Yankee games”. Does anyone actually feel that way? I think Cone is one of the better announcers on YES, maybe even the best color guy.

    • Wheels says:

      Josh Pettite needs to stop tweeting.

    • rich says:

      Cone makes the broadcast a respectable one. He and Singleton should do the broadcast for every game IMO

    • forensic says:

      I think he’s pretty overrated, personally. Not a big fan of him calling games. I know that’s the minority opinion here though.

    • Eddard says:

      Josh Pettitte is a clown who obviously didn’t learn about class from his father. Cone is well respected and knows what he’s talking about. He doesn’t need some 20 year old telling him that he can’t talk.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Already zapped the tweet too, it appears.

      Stupid kids and their social media tendencies. I’ll never get it. I’m not exactly an older person myself, but I at least know that hell to not say.

  133. Dan says:

    Crasnick is reporting that the Phills will listen to offers on Lee. Do you guys think the Yanks should go after him? There’s a good chance that Hughes, Pettitte and Kuroda will all be gone next year. There aren’t any other frontline SPs available. If there’s a $189 cap, they could still be under due to those 3 SPs being off the books. If there’s no cap, then it’s really no issue, and anyway he’s only signed for 2 more years and a vesting option.

    If I’m the Yankees, I’d be willing to give up DePaula, Austin and a mid level prospect and take on a bulk of his salary. Would that be enough?

    • Crime Dog says:

      I’m ok with not taking on another massive contract, especially for an older pitcher. Even though Lee is a boss.

      • Dan says:

        One thing to remember with Lee, is that he hasn’t logged that many innings for his age. He’s pitched over 700 less innings than CC, despite being a year older.

        Plus, there could be some money as part of the trade. Say $5 million per year. That would put him at $20 million for each of the next two years he’s under contract (which I think is pretty reasonable for him, even with his age). They could probably put all of the salary relief to next year and get him for $15 million, which would be great value, especially with the goal of $189m.

    • stuart a says:

      pass. another over 33 year old pitcher..

      you insane…NO

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      I think I’d roll the dice on Pineda and a bunch of kids along with CC over that kind of contract. I always thought we dodged a bullet with Cliff Lee’s contract. He’s been decidedly not worth that kind of money.

  134. forensic says:

    Suzyn: “He’s still got that big, heavy bat.”

    Apparently she didn’t bother to follow anything that happened last year.

  135. RetroRob says:

    No one is wondering why the Yankees need a RH’d power hitter, Michael.

  136. The Real Greg says:

    Failure Cashman


  137. Kramerica Industries says:

    And thus ends the tease.

  138. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:


  139. WhittakerWalt says:

    At this point the best thing we can hope for from CC is to get his bat into the lineup more often. At least there’s the chance he’ll run into one every now and then, which is more than can be said for the rest of this godforsaken team.

  140. forensic says:

    What an awesome trade!


  141. The Real Greg says:

    Although he looked pretty good in that at bat. He didn’t chase pitched like he used to.

  142. Wheels says:

    Shucks Alfonso.

  143. your mom says:

    Hellickson with the gutsy 3-2 change-up. Props to him, it worked out.

    • The Real Greg says:

      It’s his best pitch, that’s why he threw it. That’s why that out was more about Hellickson than Soriano.

      • WhittakerWalt says:

        Yeah. If a guy has the nerve to throw a 3-2 changeup and gets you, that’s just nails. Not much you can do about that.

  144. stuart a says:

    swisher with his 11th tonight 33 rbi’s. hitting 245, he is a nice complimentary player.

    you think cleveland will regret that $50 mill deal? Nah, he is good in the clubhouse!!!!

  145. stuart a says:

    btw no 1 discussing hellickson at 92 on his fastball, how can he win at that speed???

    oh, shit…i forgot location matters in pitching and real estate.

  146. Kramerica Industries says:

    That SI cover just reminds me of the irritation that was the end of Soriano’s, and the Yankees, 2002 season.

    Sori was sitting at 39 HR with 11 games to go, and started swinging away trying to get to 40/40. Instead, in addition to not hitting #40, the guy became an out machine down the stretch, and in the playoff series against the Angels. Really, it still remains a sore spot that a 103 win team crapped out in four games in the ALDS. At least it was against another legitimately good team, I guess. Those 2002 AL playoff teams were all 95+ win teams.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      Soriano was not the Yankees biggest problem in that series. The Angels setting a postseason record for hitting was the problem. Our pitching stunk.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        He wasn’t the biggest problem at all. Didn’t really try to say that. He just didn’t help.

        But, yeah, holy shit. The 8th inning meltdown in Game 2, blowing a 6-1 lead in Game 3, and then the 9-run inning in Game 4? That series was a fucking nightmare. Fucking Rally Monkey.

        • WhittakerWalt says:

          Soriano really shit the bed the next year in the WS against Florida. He was a fucking automatic out, and was swinging at literally anything.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Soriano hit a HR in Game 2 vs K-Rod that woouldve won the game if it wasnt for El Duque blowing it in the 8th inning.

  147. The Real Greg says:

    That seems to be another issue with CC. One very shitty inning and then he’s fine.

  148. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    And then, to boot…., H.P. ump is calling strikes on balls a foot outside to Yankee lefty’s. great receiving by Lobaton, but as a consequence, Ichiro had to swing at a “ball” a foot outside. Smart pitcher.

  149. Kramerica Industries says:

    More baserunners. Hellickson’s doing all he can to rescue the Yankees in this game.

    Hey, you know. Take advantage of it.

  150. nsalem says:

    I think Hafner is due

  151. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    not a strike

  152. The Real Greg says:

    That was not a strike

  153. The Real Greg says:

    Such a piece of garbage.

  154. The Real Greg says:

    That Ibanez Hafner switch, in hindsight of course, was probably the worst move of the offseason.

    • stuart a says:

      true and historic. i would bet Ibanez finishes bad but we will see.

      24 homners, the yanks could not use those…

      i would have signed hafner and let Ibanez walk also..baseball hard to predict..

      • Brian S. says:

        I’m glad we don’t have those 24 home runs. Because you can’t hit those in the playoffs.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          lol at you, directly or indirectly, being pro-Ibanez here.

          You trashed the shit out of him all season last year, even after he hit the 8th inning grand slam against the Blue Jays.

    • Tom says:

      Russell Martin?

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      In hindsight, sure… On paper I loved the move, but the regression to the mean has been a real bitch.

  155. stuart a says:

    the ball 3 to hafner called a strike 2, killed..

    hafner is looking to get DFA’d in about a week..

    any complaints about hellickson under 92 velocity? nope…

  156. Nathan says:

    I hope CC works on his stuff this off-season and gets his s### straight. I don’t think he can pull up mid-season so I think this CC is what we’re going to have all year.

  157. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Maybe CC is on the biogenesis list and the Yankees could void his contract too.

    • stuart a says:

      yep that is why he is so muscular…

      also that is not part of the agreement so no chance.

      the loney hit was right over the plate and a changeup…

      michael kay is a moron… again more pitches this inning 93…

  158. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Danny Knobler
    Updating that note: Only pitcher in majors to allow 7-plus runs in 3 consecutive starts this year: CC Sabathia.

  159. Former ACE MannyGeee says:

    So, looked like I didn’t miss much while I went to drown my sorrows next door, huh…

    • Shittyshittybangbang says:

      Yeah, I did the same. Tuned into “Ted” for 20 minutes, fucking hilarious ! That is, of course, as New Englanders go. I needed that !

  160. yeayo says:

    Why is CC still pitching? Does he need to reach a 100 pitches before being pulled? The second he started shitting the bed, CC should have been taken out. Now we are in 6 run hole which is practically game over with this team.

  161. Kramerica Industries says:

    At least the Red Sox are losing?

    I mean, is this the better scenario this weekend?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      I’d think a wildcard spot would be much more realistic.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        It seems like the Orioles are trending up and the Sox are trending down, at the moment. Wouldn’t be shocked if Boston fell into the 2nd wild card spot soon. They’ll fall into the 1st wild card spot after tonight.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      The unequivocally good outcome is seeing Lackey pitch like shit.

  162. stuart a says:

    still 1 run.. had chnces a bunch of times but nope..

    the usual…

  163. SDB says:

    Meanwhile, for those of us who have CC on their fantasy teams… what the hell can be done now?

  164. Crime Dog says:

    This game is so frustrating to watch. The Yankees have had plenty of chances it seems like, and Hellickson takes a minute between each pitch. Brutal.

  165. Jacob the OG says:

    Thought I would drop by and see the comments, read 3 and said fuck it.

    Who’s ready for CC to figure this shit out next season?

  166. Shittyshittybangbang says:

    The Rays t.v.team polling viewers as to whether A-rod will play with Yankees this year. Really ?! Wow, fuck-off Stats. Disgruntled, ex-employee !

    • stuart a says:

      who cares. they get 20,000 fans to a game…

      no 1 cares why waste your time.

      for the thousandth time the Yanks are the big boys, the little boys always are jealous.
      they do not boo nobody…

  167. stuart a says:

    i may be as fast as overbay who went to the cano school of running hard out of the box.

    lucky ichiro swung at the first pitch last time up, you know home run hitters see there pitch you go for it..

    as mike said today or yesterday league avg or better at 2 postions offensively now with soriano they are league avg or better at 3 spots.

    thats all folks….

  168. stuart a says:

    adam warren has done a good job in games that do not matter. he is not that good. he is a mopup guy…that’s it…

  169. Tom says:

    Cliff Lee scratched from his start tomorrow for a “stiff neck”

    Not convinced the Phils will trade him, but I wonder if they are just checking to see if some team will overpay/blow them away with an offer.

    • stuart a says:

      no thank you.

      that would be a george steinbrenner insane tartabull move.

      pass….baltimore should get him or atlanta…

  170. WhittakerWalt says:

    Third time this year CC’s given up 7 runs. Second start in a row with 7, in fact. And the start before he gave up 8, though only 3 earned.
    So that’s awesome.

  171. Lukaszek says:

    Amazing. 10-1. Just freaking brilliant

  172. Kramerica Industries says:

    Still waiting for James Loney to regress back to being James Loney. Something that still hasn’t happened, for g-d knows whatever reason.

    • stuart a says:

      this is the highlight of his career.. he is a better overbay….

      rays got lucky with him…he is better then overbay…overbay is a 300 obp best case scenario…

      there is so much dreck in the yankee lineup it is incredible…hafner, wells, lillibridge, the catchers, overbay, and ichiro. ichiro is a singles hitter with a low 300 obp….he should be a defensive replacement and pinch runner…

  173. Manny's BanWagon says:

    What an embarrassment.

  174. stuart a says:

    as i stated before warren stinks gives up a ton of homers.

    his ball is straight…

    he is a mop up guy that’s it…

    yanks will not score 10 runs total for the weekend…let alone tonight…

    hellickson gave up 1 run over 6 innings and threw a ton of pitches and had many baserunners. difference is yankee hitters SUCK.

  175. Kramerica Industries says:

    Yankees have a very nasty habit of dropping these home series openers to the Rays.

    Since 2008:

    2008 – dropped two of the three series openers 2009 – ditto 2011 – ditto

    2010 – won two of three 2012 – ditto

    And now they have dropped the first two of this season, too.

    That’s ten out of 17, for those keeping track. Pretty awful.

  176. Oy says:

    Maybe Colletti will take CC’s contract…bah who am I kidding, Yankees won’t sell. They are 3 games out!111!

  177. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Just when you thought the game couldn’t get any worse, Kate Smith’s screetching rendition of God Bless Amerca

  178. SDB says:

    I’m just going to watch the White Sox game and hear Hawk Harrelson. Just because I think it’ll be less painful than still following this shit.

  179. stuart a says:

    harrelson worse announcer in baseball..


  180. WhittakerWalt says:

    CC in 2013:

    7 ER three times
    6 ER once
    5 ER twice

    That’s six starts of at least 5 runs. WOW.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      That makes 43 runs in 6 starts for CC.
      Just for some perspective, in 1995 Greg Maddux gave up 39 runs all season. Granted, that was one of the greatest pitching years of all time (especially considering all the steroids guys were doing), but damn.

    • stuart a says:

      maybe that is why his era is 4.50 +

      he has been bad and therfore it effects your era..

      thanks for the tremendous insight…

  181. Kramerica Industries says:

    These Rays guys are so excited about being in first place after July 26.

    Again, get a fucking grip. Act like you’ve been there before, because you HAVE been.

  182. dkidd says:

    hope the red sox enjoyed their time in first place

  183. stuart a says:

    if adam warren is in the rotation next year you are a 70 win team or worse.

    kay and cone should stop drinking…

  184. Kramerica Industries says:

    I won’t argue statistics, but since 2008, it seems like the Rays record at Yankee Stadium is significantly better than it is in reality. Wouldn’t be shocked if the run differential is much closer. It’s pretty jarring that the Rays record at Yankee Stadium in that time is only 19-31 (tonight accounted for).

  185. Cuso says:

    Figured i’d check in to leave a scent.

    K. later.

  186. forensic says:

    Apparently Gameday has given up on the Yankees (understandably so). During that Stewart AB, they were already showing it as the end of the 8th and running an ad.

  187. stuart a says:

    someone should tell Kay he can look it up it is allowed. stewart is hitting 238 not 250 and his slugging % is barely 300..

    just say he is good defensively but offensively he stinks that would be true but to say that Michael Kay would have to look at stats on occassion..

  188. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Eduardo Scissorhands doing his thing

  189. forensic says:

    Guess it’s not an embarassing enough game without Nunez doing something like that.

  190. stuart a says:

    nunez makes a lot of errors taking the ball out of his glove… i do not understand why but he does.

    kay with some more drivel…

  191. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    They need to play matchups for Lillibridge with a 7-run lead?

  192. forensic says:

    And after Maddon’s tinkering, they’ve now made it into a save situation.

  193. Lukaszek says:

    The kids are alright today

  194. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    An inauspicious return for Soriano.

  195. 28 this year says:

    O’Neil Effect in for tomorrow perhaps? Like a 3 run outburst tomorrow?

  196. THe Real Greg says:

    Rays should be embarrassed. They had to bring in their closer in a game when your up 6-0

  197. stuart a says:

    rays still won that is all that matters.

    moral victories mean jack…

    yanks scored 6 runs, have a parade. miracles do happen…

    at least the young guys got some AB’s…

  198. JohnnyC says:

    I still think Phil Hughes is the obvious problem that Cashman hasn’t confronted.

  199. Crime Dog says:

    I understand he was important in April, but it’s time to cut ties with Hafner. Good guy, good teammate (apparently), but he really can’t be taking any ABs. Just let Adams get those ABs or even Mesa. That is, unless Jeter is coming back tomorrow. Then he’s gotta take Hafners spot.

  200. Dontshushme says:

    What happened to cano

    • Crime Dog says:

      Nothing, just took him out when they were down 10-1 (and Ichiro and Overbay). Just a little rest in a blowout.

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