Game 104: A Zone of Danger


The Yankees’ mission this afternoon, which they really have no choice but to accept, is to beat the hottest team in baseball and start a second half push to sneak into the postseason. It’s a daunting task considering the Rays have won 20 of their last 23 games, the same number of wins New York has in their last 44 games. At some point the Bombers have to start stringing some wins together. Today is as good a day as any. Here’s the lineup that will face Mr. (Chris) Archer:

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. DH Alfonso Soriano
  5. 1B Lyle Overbay
  6. LF Vernon Wells
  7. SS Eduardo Nunez
  8. 3B Brent Lillibridge
  9. C Chris Stewart

And on the mound is right-hander Ivan Nova, who declined to sign with the Red Sox as a teenager in the Dominican Republic because he grew up a Yankees fan. He turned down bigger offers from other clubs to take $80k from New York.

First pitch is scheduled for a little after 1:05pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Injury Updates: Derek Jeter (quad) is scheduled to play in simulated game at some point today. Depending on how that goes, he could be activated off the DL tomorrow … Travis Hafner (shoulder) is dealing with some soreness and will have an MRI. Apparently it happened in his last at-bat last night.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Winter says:

    Mike’s an Archer fan! My life is complete, I’m off to spend the rest of my days on Whore Island.

  2. Brian S. says:

    Am I a dick for hoping Hafner hits the DL?

    • Carlos Danger says:

      They could then bring Jeter or A-Rod back ASAP to fill the vacant DH spot.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      I do have one question to ask:

      What did DRB do to OTM in 2011? I don’t seem to remember any serious cross-blog trolling, but I may be sorely mistaken.

      • Brian S. says:

        OTM basically had to shut down for a day because DRB broke it. This was during that last weekend of the collapse and members of DRB would post porn .gifs in the OTM threads which would illicit crazy reactions/responses by dozens upon dozens of members. DRB members would then take ridiculous comments said by OTM members and post them in their signatures. Some involving suicidal remarks, hopelessly optimistic remarks, or Boston-is-racist jokes.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          Holy shit. That’s a pretty amazing job of group trolling, although lets just say that it’s a good thing that kind of stuff will never happen to RAB.

          Seriously though. Red Sox fans in general needed that collapse to knock them off their 2004 perch. The shoe can always easily be on the other foot.

          • Brian S. says:

            It was brilliant. I stopped caring about 2004 after 2009. Boston fans that cling to 2004 are just like Yankee fans that bring up the dynasty over and over again.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              The 2010 Bruins-Flyers series was also pretty glorious, although some of the shine came off after the Bruins won the Cup in 2011.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Uh, no, on both of those. Both are great things for a fanbase to be proud of.

              2004 changed how the Red Sox were viewed. It brought faith to a fan base who just assumed they were going to lose every year. 86 years. Half the fuckers here can’t handle not winning one since 2009.

              Why wouldn’t a Yankee fan cling on to the dynasty? That’s one of the happiest moments in time a fan of any sports franchise could imagine.

              If anything, Yankee fans need to forget about 2004.

              • RetroRob says:


                Bring on #28!

              • Brian S. says:

                I meant people that go around obnoxiously bragging about the dynasty as a way to prove the superiority of the organization. If a Boston fan came up to me and was like ‘yeah! 2004! lol!’ it would be like the same thing. Do you get what I’m saying?

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  You can retort quicker with “yeah, took you long enough” than anyone could ever retort the dynasty with. :)

              • Kramerica Industries says:

                If anything, Yankee fans need to forget about 2004.

                Yeah, but the sheer agony of that series, magnified by it being the Red Sox on the other side, makes doing that just about impossible.

                It’s not quite so easy to equate 2003 to 2004 like Red Sox fans can. The whole “Aaron Bleeping Boone” thing just isn’t as much of a source of frustration for Red Sox fans as we wish it was.

    • Brian S. says:

      Wells too.

  3. Carlos Danger says:

    To watch the Yankees game or catch up on Falling Skies…hmm?

  4. pat says:


  5. trr says:

    + 1 for the Archer reference, but given our recent struggles against young pitchers we’ve not seen before, there is no reason to feel confident about today’s game.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Didn’t we face (and hit) Archer when he first came up?

    • Winter says:

      Meh, with this offense I see no reason to feel differently about facing a new pitcher. It’s a struggle against everyone, either they manage to score some or they don’t.

  6. Dalek Jeter says:

    Mike. This is your masterpiece.

  7. Eddard says:

    With our #2 starter going today this is a must win. Nova shut down this Rays club last time he faced them, which led to a W. They really have to win these non-CC starts since you can pencil in an L every 5th day.

  8. Jason says:

    +1 for the title and video *applause*

  9. How much would it take to bribe Eddard, stuart a and the clan to post elsewhere?

  10. The Real Greg says:

    Once again, it is so much a joke about how crappy this organization has become. When the owner can go above the head of the GM and make moves and, at least recently, have more success than the GM in those moves, it is not a good thing.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Yeah, really. That Ichiro move looks like such a winner right now.

      • The Real Greg says:

        It does to me. He’s hitting .276 which is about what you expected. Nick Swisher has been a total dud in Cleveland. The one argument you can make is Schierholtz, which is a fair argument.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          .274/.310/.373/.683, OPS+ 87

          Might I point out that there’s another year on that contract, too.

          • The Real Greg says:

            I think most people will look at the second year as the determiner. But for now, it has gone okay.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              I will say that I wouldn’t have wanted Swisher back on the contract he got. The $$$ are reasonable, but I can easily see him declining heavily over those four years.

              But Ichiro was not the best solution, either, especially once the second year got tacked on to it. Classic Name Value signing.

    • Brian S. says:

      None of their moves have been successful. Literally all of them have been awful.

      • pat says:

        The Soriano move was “vindicated” by Mariano getting hurt.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        Nah, as shitty as the Soriano contract was, it really saved our ass last season and allowed us to get a good draft pick this year.

      • The Real Greg says:


        The Rafael Soriano move was a big success. He was okay here and we got a draft pick.

        Ichiro, I just mentioned.

        Jeter’s contract has worked out so far.

        The ARod contract is the one big messup.

        • The Real Greg says:

          But even with the ARod contract, you get rid of that, you probably take away the ’09 World Series.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          Took me a minute to realize all three of you meant Rafael, not Alfonso.

        • Bubba says:

          If only success requires the greatest reliever of all time to get injured for the season along with the eighth inning man who surpassed you to get injured as well, then I guess it was a success. Add in the fact that we are stuck with you if you suck but get to pay you to leave if you succeed, definitely a success. Oh, and the pick we got replaces the pick we lost in signing him in the first place. And we paid north of 20mill for less than 2 war.

          • mac1 says:

            Rafael Soriano was great in the second year. He got hurt the first year, shit happens. Judging a reliever by WAR is flawed. Complaining about the FO when they make moves and spend money to try and improve the team is stupid.

            When they intentionally downgrade positions in the offseason and have to half ass it by signing retreads when they get caught for doing so, complain away.

            I’m pretty pro Cashman, but he handled the Jeter resign poorly, and Levine stepped in to avoid bad PR. It was a generous contract but not one without value for the Yanks.

            • Bubba says:

              Soriano was pitching the 7th inning before Mo got hurt. Signing a guy for north of 10MM/yr to pitch in the 7th inning is moronic. Signing a guy for north of 10MM/yr to pitch in the 8th inning is only slightly less so. There appears to be a budget over the past few years so spending money to improve a team in a moronic manner is stupid. Even the biggest Cashman hater would have to admit one of the FOs strengths has been putting together quality BPs on the cheap (it helps having the GOAT anchoring it). Why would you ever sign an expensive middle reliever?

              I agree with you about Cashman and Jeter, but he was in a bit of a no win situation there.

  11. Pat D says:

    Well what an awesome, unexpected surprise for me.

    Apparently the FOX blackout is back in effect.

  12. The Real Greg says:

    And again, people are going there wasting their money. I feel so sad for those people.

  13. Dan says:

    The defendant owes the duty of reasonable care to plaintiffs in the zone of danger! Fuck the bar.

  14. James Loney is not this good. This is only because he is playing with the Rays.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Casey Kotchman or Jeff Keppinger Syndrome.

      Take your pick.

      • Got another option, I don’t particularly like either option.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          I would say Carlos Pena, but his power was always legit, and really only the 2007 season was outrageously fluky.

          There are also a bevy of relievers that could fit the “magically better as Rays” notion.

          • Clearly Kyle Farnsworth has not caught on because he has been as lackluster as he was with everyone else.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              The first five months of 2011 suggest otherwise. I would’ve expected him to get cut at some point in 2011, not be their closer and a lock-down one at that for the first five months of the season.

              • First five months, since then he’s been blowing leads.

                A couple of these guys I’d like to see in other uniforms and see if they play the same as they do here.

                Of course, right now the Marlins have the same, wait I’m good problem?

                • Kramerica Industries says:

                  Yeah, but the point was is that getting those 5.5 months of excellence, saving 25 games, was far more than anyone ever expected Farnsworth to do with the Rays. There was never the thought he’d still be in the organization by 2013. Anything good they get now is gravy.

                  Joel Peralta and Fernando Rodney obviously fit the mold in the past two-three years. And it’s very irritating.

  15. Kramerica Industries says:

    Please no first inning deficits.

    That’s the last thing we need to be dealing with, given the moribund offense on this side.

  16. The Real Greg says:

    Chris Archer- 5th round pick by Cleveland in 2006.

    Once again the Rays work their magic.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Hmm, drafted by Cleveland, but he was acquired from the Cubs in the Garza deal.

      Without research, it would seem to be Archer was in the Mark DeRosa deal back in the 2008-2009 offseason.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Hellickson- 4th round pick 2005.

      So don’t tell me that the Rays success is mostly because they sucked for so may years.

  17. The Real Greg says:

    Michael has clearly not been watching the offense this year if he calls that impressive.

  18. I would also add, noticeably of the 8 HR Derby participants, they have produced a grand total of 6 HRs since the derby,

  19. Kramerica Industries says:



    Fucking hell. Sori would’ve been a Yankee hero forever if that had stood up. The one time Mo wasn’t able to slam the door.

    • Brian S. says:

      Mo also couldn’t slam the door in 1997 or 2004 but it’s chill cuz he’s still far away the best ever in all other instances.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Soriano just makes me feel nostalgic as hell.

        I really can’t help it. There’s no doubt that 2001 would’ve been the most memorable World Series in Yankees history, because they frankly had no business winning it, but there they were on the precipice of it thanks to some of the most dramatic hits in baseball history.

  20. The Real Greg says:

    Archer should just keep throwing his fastball. Most of the lineup can’t center it.

  21. GT Yankee says:

    New appreciation for Nova rebuffing the Sox and taking less money to sign with the Yankees

  22. The Real Greg says:

    Oh they will.

  23. FIPster Doofus says:

    I can’t believe the asshole Royals traded Myers for two years of a 31-year-old pitcher who wasn’t going to put them anywhere near the top. Thanks a lot.

    • Brian S. says:

      Seriously fuck those guys. And Texas for Chris Davis. And Los Angeles for Beckett.

      • Anderson Silva says:

        So you’re saying Cashman is the only one who isn’t fleecing anyone? I kinda agree

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Texas with Chris Davis might still be the best team in the AL, so that one doesn’t irk me as much. This Davis stuff really only took off this year (last year was pretty good, but not knock-your-socks-off good like 2013 has been).

        LA is the one that still gets me. Flat out gave the Red Sox a get out of jail free card for some seriously bad contracts in recent years. That’s never going to not be irritating.

      • RetroRob says:

        A lot of people had given up on Chris Davis. Not so with Myers.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      ***Dayton Moore***

      Same reason why the Royals won’t trade Ervin Santana at the deadline despite not being in the playoff race, either.

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        Anyone who can stay a Royals fan with that idiot running things is a stronger person than I am. Then again, I’m a die-hard Bills fan.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          Actually got into a mini-Twitter war during the HR Derby with a Royals fan, but then we quickly leveled with each other because we could both trash the living hell out of Dayton Moore.

          I’ve dealt with my fair share of shitty ownership before, but at least it was short-lived. Oren Koules & Len Barrie owning the Lightning between 2008-2010. Holy shit. Fucking clown show. Nearly cost the Tampa Bay area the franchise.

          • FIPster Doofus says:

            I remember those two with the Lightning; they really did do an incredibly bad job. The franchise seems to be on solid footing now, though, between new ownership and Yzerman running the hockey dept.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              I’m still very skeptical about Yzerman running the hockey operations, personally. But the ownership group has done a marvelous job revitalizing interest and privately financing the renovations of the arena.

  24. Now that is performance.

  25. Cy Pettitte says:

    wow, so filthy.

  26. Eddard says:

    #2 starter pitching like it today! If they could just get him a couple runs that would be enough. Supernova is back! Send CC to wherever Nova went.

  27. Anderson Silva says:

    straight fastballs and hanging breaking balls, how the hell are they not hitting this guy?

  28. Kramerica Industries says:

    Yay for no perfect game.

  29. Anderson Silva says:

    there’s our superstar.. that pitch was exactly in the middle of the strikezone, so obviously he grounds into a DP

  30. Well, we need Yankeeography: Moments of Glory: Armando Benitez taking out Tino Martinez’s back.

    There were so many people in that brawl, you could go on for an hour describing 7 minutes of batshit.

  31. RetroRob says:

    Did David Cone just admit that in his 40s he’s sneaking into college dorms at night?

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Making me wish I was watching the YES feed here.

      David Cone is full of those inane stories that could so easily be twisted many different ways. I LOVED his garnished wages story last year.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      We need his name entered into the Carlos Danger name generator.

  32. nycsportzfan says:

    I had a quick thought earlier today that the Yanks would win on a walkoff in the bottom of the 9th in scoreless game with a HR by Ichiro. Very random , i know..

  33. Anderson Silva says:

    Nova looks mighty good. Is it possible they have really fixed him?

  34. JB says:

    anyone watching on directv mlb extra innings? if so, what channel is the game on?

  35. Eddard says:

    If they can even push one run across they can go Nova for 6, Kelley, Drob and Mo 7-8-9. They have to get a hit first.

  36. Kramerica Industries says:

    Yay for no no-hitter

  37. RetroRob says:

    Yeah. A hit.

  38. Kramerica Industries says:

    How did Vernon Wells hit 10 home runs before May 15, anyway? His power stick has gone completely limp since then.

  39. Anderson Silva says:

    47 pitches through 5 innings. That is amazing.

  40. We have a slugest in Toronto right now, Astros have 3 home runs and the Blue Jays have 2, and I sense we haven’t seen the last Jays one either.

  41. nycsportzfan says:

    God Damn, the Rays are loaded with talented young players. They sure did go through quite alot of losing to get it right though.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Yeah, really. 2007 was a very recent season.

      Many of the young guys they have now arrived to their organization well after their losing years had evaporated.

  42. RetroRob says:

    Acura solved the issue with putting Mariano in commercials. Just don’t have him speak.

  43. Kramerica Industries says:

    11 straight shutout innings for Archer against this offense, all at Yankee Stadium.


  44. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Biggest diaper disaster ever. Holy shit. Literally.

  45. nycsportzfan says:

    Jeez, i’d love to get in on Jeff Smardzija. I’m a ND football fan as well, and loved him when he was a wideout there! Hes pretty awesome as well!

  46. Kramerica Industries says:


  47. Anderson Silva says:

    why is the OF so deep against shitty hitters? I don’t get it

  48. Wheels says:

    Son of a gun.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I thought there was a chance he’d get to it. Better to play it safe, I guess, and not risk being down 2-0.

  49. Eddard says:

    And that’s probably it. Two bloopers just killed Nova.

  50. Anderson Silva says:

    Nova does not deserve to lose this game.

  51. Kramerica Industries says:

    Really, Nova has thrown another pretty solid game, but there’s a better than 50% chance he’ll now get the L for it.

    This fucking 0ffense. Holy shit. There should not be such a feeling of doom when the starting pitcher gives up one solitary fucking run in a game.

  52. stuart a says:

    in calif so cannot see the game. sounds like our offense is doing it’s thing.

    when you think it cannot get any worse it does.

    worst offense in baseball, think about that for a while…

  53. trr says:

    1 run, eh? a scoreless tie was our best hope, too…

  54. SDB says:

    What’s the over/under on how many games this team goes before finally hitting a HR? 14?

  55. Bo Knows says:

    I did not know Archer is from Raleigh, that’s my hometown……damn now I have to feel bad whenever I want him to get crushed by NY; whcih they aren’t doing btw

  56. 28 this year says:

    Over under on 85 pitches for a complete game by archer.

  57. Wheels says:

    Ground rule doubles blow.

  58. Anderson Silva says:

    gave away a strike trying to bunt

  59. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    great AB

  60. Cy Pettitte says:

    what a shitty AB by Ichiro

  61. Yeah he swung.

    Nasty swing too.

  62. stuart a says:

    Suzuki stinks. the guy is a pinch runner defensive replacement. almost no power, low OBP..

    he sucks. this whole lineup sucks including our superstar….who is not a superstar. mike trout is a superstar…Cabrera is a superstar, cano has great talent but is a hacker…rest of the team sucks….

    owners force ichiro on cashman if you read Sherman today he wanted martin and shir=erholtz, who was right on that 1? think you can make money on ichiro and 3000, randy Levine knows nothing about baseball at all…

  63. Kosmo says:

    did anyone really expect Ichiro to drive the ball for a hit ? Adams should be in the 2 hole with Lillibridge sitting.

  64. Anderson Silva says:

    Comon Nova, one more.

  65. Kenny Albert doing the Mets game. He sounds 40 years old than he looks.

  66. Anderson Silva says:

    Myers has to be Nova’s last batter.

  67. Kramerica Industries says:

    So, yet another stellar game for Nova. Outside of the Royals game, I can’t recall him getting really ANY run support in any of the games he’s pitched since his recall.

  68. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Well done, Ivan.
    How about some runs now.
    Even just 1 to make it interesting.

    I guess the O’Neill effect doesn’t work with horrible offenses.

  69. SDB says:

    Archer’s finally averaging more than 10 pitches an inning! PROGRESS!

  70. Wheels says:

    Worst Yankee offense since the Johnson Administration?

  71. Eddard says:

    I suspect Cashman knew in his heart that this team was outclassed by both the Rays and Os and wanted to sell at the deadline, not buy. The Rays and Os are doing it with a fraction of the budget the Yanks have. Ownership put the club in this situation when they signed 30+ year olds to 7-8 year deals and now they won’t be able to buy their way out.

  72. Kramerica Industries says:

    Fucking Nova deserves better than this.

    Last two starts: 14 IP, 4 ER

    ZERO runs of support.

  73. John says:

    i know its only 1-0 .. but it def feels more like 10-0 with this offense

  74. trr says:

    This offense is beyond pathetic. I’m searching for a word, just can’t find it…..atrocious, abominable, painful, terrible, unspeakable
    Maybe that’s it. Unspeakable. ’cause I can’t describe it

  75. stuart a says:

    statistically worst offense in baseball not just the AL… Baseball.

  76. stuart a says:

    mets offense with quantanilla at SS, buck at catcher, ike davis at first, etc is better then this offense..

    think about that depressing information…

  77. stuart a says:

    don’t worry wells, lillibridge, and nunez up next inning.

    btw on the zobrist steal did nunez screw up on the tag????

  78. Eddard says:

    I think if they get swept in this series they should start selling at the deadline. Sell Kuroda and Robbie Cano to a contender and start building for the future. See if anyone will take CC if they pay half the remaining salary. They need to blow this thing up and start over. What a shame that Mo’s last season will end in mediocrity.

    • stuart a says:

      you say some of the most ridiculous things.. who is trading for CC right now> btw he has a no trade…


    • Can we sell Eddard for a goose?


      • stuart a says:

        true and they may win. but it is also true there offense is horrendous.. this is not a epiphany from todays performance.

        look at the stats…HORRIFIC.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        With this offense, a 1-0 lead can truly feel insurmountable. That’s the sickening part to all of this. NOTHING about this team inspires confidence that they are going to score runs at any given moment.

  79. The Real Greg says:

    So offense scores runs = pithing sucks
    Pitching excels = offense sucks.

  80. stuart a says:

    THE 5 RUNS LAST NIGHT WERE a mirage. in garbage time…

    this is the worst offense in baseball not disputable worst then the mariners, the Astros, the mets…giants may be close to as pathetic as the yanks but I think the yanks offense is worse

    • Kosmo says:

      disagree I´d take Posey,Pence,Belt,Crawford, Scutaro and even Panda over this mess .

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        Yankees team OPS+ = 86
        Giants non-pitcher OPS+ = 108
        The Giants hitters are much, much better.

  81. Kramerica Industries says:

    Rescue yourselves, dickheads.

  82. The Real Greg says:

    If Cashman drafted better, the team wouldn’t have to rely on ownership going out there and signing over the hill players.

    • stuart a says:

      I guess Robertson was an ok draft pick huh?

      if ownership stayed out of talent decisions they would be in much better shape, plain and simple…

      • The Real Greg says:


        • stuart a says:

          they draft low, they draft pitchers, and ownership gets involved for high profile over the hill crap.

          ichiro for $13 mill. cashman did not want him!!duh..

          • The Real Greg says:


            I’m sick of people making that excuse. Look at the fucking Cardinals and tell me how they do it year after year.

        • stuart a says:

          yanks have a lot of homegrown players on there team and on other teams… the problem is patience and overpaying older guys who’s production will go down and they are stuck with them.

          ichiro gone martin and shierholz, what they equal what 3 additional wins this year? ownership decision.. I can go on and on…

  83. Eddard says:

    I hope Rodney comes in and shoots his arrow straight into CC’s heart and that somehow it goes through Wells and Hafner, too. Kill 3 birds with one stone, club is instantly better.

  84. Wheels says:


  85. Kevin Ocala, Fl says:

    Funny how “Mr Peabody” Keith Law, has (sorry), “belittled” Brett Gardner since day one, never admitting his error. Now, Gardner is a “cornerstone”, albeit of a shaky building. To be fair, all these “pundit” play both sides of building and tearing down players, either by themselves, or with an ESPN partner…….

  86. Kramerica Industries says:


  87. Eddard says:

    The Yankees have not drafted and developed one single everyday quality position player since Robinson Cano a decade ago. When their old and overpriced starts got hurt they had nothing to fill in. Who’s Cashman’s crowning achievement everyday player that he has drafted and developed, Brett Gardner?

    • The Real Greg says:

      CORRECT. That’s they all should be gone. The Steinbrenners and Cashman. Both should be gone.

      • Bo Knows says:

        This isn’t the the actual “The Real Greg” whoever you are quite stealing other people’s handles

        • The Real Greg says:

          It actually is. I have just had enough and now I have a ton of free time.

          • Bo Knows says:

            Then I’m really disappointed your rarely this off the handle dude. It’s not a big deal, every team has to have these kind of seasons some times, and even with this bad lineup and injuries, this team is over .500

            • The Real Greg says:

              The problem is that this season more than any other has exposed the real weaknesses of this organization.

              It might just be this year, but it has the potential to be more.

              • Bo Knows says:

                They’ve had to use 48 will be 49 different players once Arod comes back. No team has the kind of depth to cover every non 2nd position two times over with a major league ready alternative.

                It also hurts that NY have had guys drafted who have gotten hurt which has delayed development significantly from top prospects that could help. Slade if his shoulder wasn’t held together with duct tape had been healthy he might have been already in the Bronx to provide help. If Mason didn’t rec his shoulder and missed the last third of the season last year he might be further than he is now….there are so many ifs and bad luck accidents that have befallen this team over the years, it absolutely can be worse. I am half sure it probably will be, but its ok it was going to happen at some point. At the same time, this team knows how to reload on the fly, and any down side they may suffer I am confident won’t last long but it’s something that has to be endured regardless.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      Gardner is a single quality postition player drafted since Cano (not that Cano was drafted).
      Austin Jackson is another.

      That’s about it.

      • The Real Greg says:

        Two outfielders. No All-Stars. That’s it. That deserves a firing, especially with the resources this team has.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

          Resources aren’t going to make much of a difference in drafting, especially under the new rules.
          That alone doesn’t deserve a firing anyways. Drafting hitters is only one component of a front office’s job.
          That said, it is time for a change at the top.

          • The Real Greg says:

            Scouting is very important and you can hire the best scouts.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

              That’s true. But is there any indication the Yankees aren’t using their resources there? Using resources and deploying those resources wisely are 2 different things.

    • stuart a says:

      cano, gardner, ajax, etc.

      they traded ajax. he is a legit starting CF the yanks would love to have.. again they have more homegrown players on there team then most teams…

      nova, Robertson, hughes, joba, etc etc…

      yankee fans have no patience none. how is melancon doing????

      • The Real Greg says:


        Besides Cano.

        And guess who made that AJax trade. Brian Cashman did. That was not above his head.

        Cashman is an idiot who has no clue how to properly develop a farm system and use it to his advantage.

      • Eddard says:

        You just named 4 pitches and 2 of those are colossal failures. Remember when Hughes and Joba were supposed to lead the Yankee rotation for a decade? Yeah, that never happened. Obviously Nova and Drob are bright spots. And what does it say when Austin Jackson was their best prospect and they traded him away?

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Please don’t try to actually get into baseball arguments, lest you bust out with dumbassery like this. You’re a great troll. If this is the best you’ve got as trying to build a serious argument, then your ability to troll must be some weird savant thing.

          There is no definition by which Phil Hughes is a colossal disappointment. Watch him get paid this offseason and then look at whatever you make a week. He’s a mid-to-back end guy with flashes of being even better than that. That may not be what you hoped for, but that’s MLB success.

          Jobs was ALWAYS a high-risk guy. I’m sorry you bought the t-shirt. I never did.

          Stuart’s right again. Spoiled as flying fuck.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I’ll admit to having no patience with Melancon myself, but you’re exactly right. They’d slit their fucking wrists if the team went through the stretch the early Rays did.

        With Melancon again, though, I don’t lose sleep over relievers as much. Ever.

  88. Kramerica Industries says:

    I fucking hate this Yankees 0ffense with the burning heat of a thousand Nova’s.

  89. dkidd says:

    zen baseball failing me today

    so frustrated with this team

  90. Anderson Silva says:

    9th inning at home, why not use Mo? Girardi is a joke

  91. stuart a says:

    who did the rays draft offensively? longoria and Jennings. that is it.

    longoria was a top 5 pick… they draft pitchers..

    • The Real Greg says:

      And they use those pitchers to get young offensive talent. Because they develop their pitchers so well. WOW. What a concept, Brian.

      • stuart a says:

        again they were really bad for really long makes a big difference….

        • The Real Greg says:



          • stuart a says:

            cards have drafted better then the yanks and 29 other teams…

            and cano is not as good as Miguel Cabrera does that mean cano stinks??

            cards have a patient fan base not filled with spoiled fans. they will allow there players to develop… melancon is just the latest case of wanting a guy out of town after what 7 bad outings…

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            You are such a pathetic excuse for a baseball fan.

            It’s happening.


          • Bo Knows says:

            Look at where St. Louis were drafting

            Wacha was a 19th overall
            Miller was a 19th overall
            Wong was 22nd overall

            The list goes on and on they’ve been a good team but they’ve also been in a fortunate position to be good enough to compete for postseason slots (though they don’t make the post nearly as much as Yankees have) but just bad enough to be able to get those guys that inexplicably fall despite having immense top round talent, such as Wacha or Miller.

            This year and last year the Yankees did a good job with their first round picks. Hensley was rumored to go as high as 11, Clarkin was consistently rated one of the 17 best prospects and was viewed as the 2nd best Prep Lefty after Ball.

            Next year, the Yankees will be in position to get a great talent, next year is a deep class of both college players and high school school pitchers

            • The Real Greg says:

              That’s true. The Yankees last two drafts have been pretty good.

              And as for St. Louis, the Cardinals have had 2 losing seasons since 1999. You don’t get lucky that many times in a draft.

              • Bo Knows says:

                And the Cardinals have drafted in the 15-20 range for a long time. The Yankees have drafted in the top 25 once in the past 15+ years, and that was thanks to Andy Pettite leaving for Houston; that is on top of the fact that the Yankees haven’t had a losing season in 21 years and that is including this year that is considered so bad by so many.

        • Jack P says:


          • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

            Virtually all of their homegrown players were drafted before they got good. That long bad period is still having big effects on their current team.

            • The Real Greg says:

              But most of them were not drafted in the top of the first round. So that point becomes completely worthless.

              Because any team could have had the others.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

                Completely missing the point.
                The point is the years of being bad paid a big role in what they are today. That’s absolutely still true.
                Take off Price and Longoria and how good is the team?
                Selling pieces when they were bad got them Zobrist, etc.

                • The Real Greg says:

                  Two players do not make a team and you know that.

                  Archer was a 5th round pick in Cleveland, Hellickson was a 4th round pick in 2005,
                  Wade Davis= 3rd round pick
                  Alex Cobb= 4th round pick
                  Matt Moore= 8th round pick

                  The only real offensive player they have drafted successfully is Longoria.

                  They draft pitchers, not just in the first round, develop them and trade them for offensive talent.

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

                    Of course 2 players don’t make a team. But those are 2 huge contributors. They have done well drafting. Especially in lower rounds. But they are still also reaping large benefits from being bad for a long time.
                    Even Archer fits. They got him in the Garza trade. They got Garza originally in part by trading one of their former high draft picks – Delmon Young. Archer is indirectly another payoff of the years of losing.

                    • The Real Greg says:

                      I do get that. But still they took a 5th round pick from Cleveland and turned him into gold. That is not an effect of being bad for so long.

                • Jack P says:

                  You’re points have no merit and are absolutely terrible.

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

                    Please explain.
                    You won’t because you can’t. The Rays wouldn’t be nearly as good as they are now without that long period of losing. That is a demonstrable fact.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Yup. They plug in offensive players and make enough runs happen. It’s always felt like a never-ending assault of pitching that makes guys like Wade Davis, probably a back-end/swingman, feel like a colossal miss.

  92. stuart a says:

    how was the cashman move for Kelly? should have kept aardsma instead?

    ownership should stay out of it. think Sternberg the rays owner is telling them who to sign or trade? no friggin way…

    yanks have had an inordinate amount of injuries this year and grandy, cervelli, and tex are not old… arod and jeter another story on the age front…

    • The Real Greg says:

      If Cashman had a better draft record and FA record, the ownership might trust him more. You have to earn trust.

      Gene Michael earned trust by building up the organization in the early 90s.

    • Eddard says:

      They did nothing to compensate for those old and often injured players. They replaced one with old and often injured Kevin Youkilis. Signed Overbay right before the season and traded for Wells at the last minute. I can’t even blame those guys, they did what they were supposed to do and kept the club in the race for 1-2 months. It’s Ownership and Cashman that need to go.

  93. Wheels says:

    Last Licks, here it is. Stewart, Gardner, Ichiro…

  94. SDB says:

    Damn. I was praying/hoping that Maddon would send out Rodney for the save.

  95. Big "Nostradanus" Member says:

    Kuroda was just featured in united airlines commercial on yes….flights to la and sf…this is a sign

  96. BigBlueAL says:

    WHY THE FUCK is Stewart swinging away on 2-0!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Anderson Silva says:

    Stewart allowed to hit? what a joke

  98. Eddard says:

    Just give Robbie Cano a chance to hit here….and he’ll roll over on a ball to 2nd base.

  99. Jack P says:

    BOOOOOO throw em to the fkin fishes

    • Jack P says:

      Michael Kay keeps talking about how Archer has been *so impressive* instead of how shitty the Yanks offense is… what a joke.

  100. The Real Greg says:

    But wait! You can’t win 1-0 games in the AL? That’s against the rules!

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      Nobody ever said that, Mr. Strawman.

      And the Yankees don’t have an AL offense anyways.

  101. Anderson Silva says:

    fuck this team.. fire cashman right now

    • The Real Greg says:

      Get rid of everybody. And again, it’s not because of this season. It’s the direction. We can see this is leading to a couple years of futility.

      Its the crappy farm system and the lack good organizational structure and decision making.

  102. Leg-End says:

    Yeesh, timid offense games suck when your pitching comes through.

  103. number 21 says:

    An embarrassing 2 hit 1-0 loss. Unbelievable.

  104. Eddard says:

    When the Yankees lose tomorrow, and they will lose tomorrow, they need to start selling and building a system for the future. Kuroda and Cano are nice 1 year deals that any contender will take, including small market clubs. Hell, sell Soriano. Yanks won’t need him.

    Anything they can do to dump salary and build for the future they should do because this season is lost.

    • Mikhel says:

      Cano and Kuroda are free agents not one year deals. At the end of the season Kuroda will go to Japan, he already has said it, and Canó is convinced he can get a $30 MM per year salary in a 8-10 year deal.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        Kuroda said he’s going to go to Japan next year?
        Any source for that?

  105. trr says:

    and Matt Moore tomorrow.
    We have zero chance of winning that game.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      They’ll win tomorrow. I’m putting one shiny Internet dollar down in that now.

      • Carlos Danger says:

        Reverse lock.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I have no clue whether they’re going to win. I’ll just take the other side whenever someone tells me they have no chance.

          • Carlos Danger says:

            I go into every game thinking they’ll win, clearly it doesn’t always happen. I practice the technique of something i refer to as positive visualization.

            At least the Yankees got an extra base hit today.

  106. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Under 100 pitches for Archer to throw a CGSO. Embarrassing and pathetic.

    I really hope the acquisition of Soriano didn’t lock this team into a buyer mindset, because selling needs to be strongly considered.

  107. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Look at the bright side. Tomorrow afternoon calls for t-storms in the tri-state area. You get to at least get some extra time in the sun today.

  108. Wheels says:

    Not fun seeing the Rays partying on the mound like that.

  109. trr says:

    anyone who still thinks this team can pull off a trade or 2 and contend, we need you to convince us.

  110. Carlos Danger says:

    What a terrible excuse for a baseball game CGSHO on 100 pitches, PUKE! The outside pitch being called got hard to watch.

  111. Kevin G. says:

    Well, at least we can listen to everybody slurp over another young Rays player.

  112. stuart a says:

    newsflash einsteins cashman was against signing the biggest boat anchor contract in the history of baseball until pujols contract is further along. some guy named aroid who cashman rightfully said pas on.. you remember that 1 einsteins???that also is not revisionist history or baloney everyone knows that was the steinny braintrust on that 1.

    nah, $125 mill. not in contracts right now would not allow them to make some moves, nah….

  113. nycsportzfan says:

    If we could of gotten Grandy and Jeter back the 1st time, and had em no get hurt again, and still got Soriano, we’d be right in this thing. Unfortunetly, i think Jeter and Grandy Man are gonna be to late.

  114. The Real Greg says:

    The bottom line is this. The Red Sox won only 60 some odd games last year in total. Now they already have 60+ wins.

    I don’t see that happening with the Yankees.

    Now granted the Sox got some help, but they also had the farm system to trade for people to help.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      They didn’t trade for anybody significant.

      • The Real Greg says:

        You’re right, although Mike Carp has been great for them. What I meant to say was that they had the farm system to recover quickly.

        Middlebrooks sucks, hey bring up Iglesias.

        Nunez sucks, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  115. Frank says:

    There have been 4 CG shutouts pitched this season where the pitcher threw 97 or fewer pitches. Three of those were vs. Yanks.

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