Jagielo picks up three hits in Staten Island win

Game 86: Make Some Noise
Redemption: Yankees take series opener from O's on Vernon's walk-off

Some notes:

  • Mark Hale spoke to a bunch of scouts about the Yankees top three outfield prospects, and they crushed OF Slade Heathcott pretty good. OF Tyler Austin received the best reviews while OF Mason Williams was kinda in the middle.
  • 1B Kyle Roller has been placed on the Double-A Trenton DL, reports Josh Norris. He suffered what was described as a “serious” foot/ankle injury while running the bases the other day. No other information besides that though.
  • Remember when the Yankees were talking to 3B Ian Stewart about a minor league deal? Scratch that, he’s signed with the Dodgers according to Jon Heyman.

Triple-A Scranton (3-2 win over Buffalo, walk-off style)

  • RF Fernando Martinez: 0-3, 1 R, 1 K
  • DH Randy Ruiz: 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 BB, 1 K
  • C J.R. Murphy: 1-3, 1 R, 2 RBI, 1 K — walk-off sac fly
  • RHP Jose Ramirez: 5 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 2 HB, 4/2 GB/FB — 53 of 80 pitches were strikes (66%) … one fewer walk than last season in 34.1 fewer innings
  • RHP Chase Whitley: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 3/0 GB/FB — 24 of 38 pitches were strikes (63%) … it’s been a struggle this year, so good to see him have a strong outing

Double-A Trenton (8-0 win over Reading)

  • SS Eduardo Nunez: 3-3, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB — played seven innings in the field
  • DH Ramon Flores: 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K — second straight game with a double
  • CF Slade Heathcott: 1-4, 1 BB, 1 K
  • RF Tyler Austin: 0-5, 1 K
  • RHP Shane Greene: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 6/1 GB/FB — 45 of 73 pitches were strikes (62%) … 88/16 K/BB in 96 innings
  • RHP Tommy Kahnle: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 15 of 23 pitches were strikes (65%)

High-A Tampa was rained out. They had to play the completion of yesterday’s game plus the regularly scheduled game. No idea when or if these games will be made up.

Low-A Charleston (2-0 win over Augusta)

  • CF Jake Cave: 1-4, 1 R
  • SS Cito Culver: 2-3, 2 2B, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 CS, 1 E (fielding)
  • 1B Greg Bird: 0-2, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 HBP
  • 2B Angelo Gumbs: 2-3, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 CS  — left the game for an unknown reason in the seventh
  • 3B Dante Bichette Jr.: 0-4 — hitting .197/.275/.283 despite repeating the level
  • RHP Cesar Vargas: 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 3 K, 5/7 GB/FB

Short Season Staten Island (6-0 win over Hudson Valley)

  • LF Michael O’Neill: 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HBP — seven hits in his last 23 at-bats (.304)
  • 3B Eric Jagielo: 3-5, 3 RBI, 1 K — six hits in his last eleven at-bats (.545)
  • CF Brandon Thomas: 0-4, 1 BB, 3 K
  • RHP Rookie Davis: 5 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 4/5 GB/FB

Rookie GCL Yanks1 (5-4 loss to GCL Tigers, walk-off style)

  • SS Abi Avelino: 1-3, 1 2B, 1 K
  • 1B Chris Breen: 3-5, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 K — nine hits in his last 31 at-bats (.290) with two doubles, a triple, and a homer
  • 2B Gosuke Katoh: 1-3, 1 3B, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 CS
  • 3B Chris Tamarez: 1-4, 1 2B, 1 K
  • RHP Brady Lail: 5 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 5/2 GB/FB — 18/2 K/BB in 15 innings so far

Rookie GCL Yanks1 (5-1 loss to GCL Phillies)

  • C Luis Torrens: 1-4, 1 PB — three passed balls in eight games behind the plate
  • LF Nathan Mikolas: 1-1, 3 BB — 17.8% strikeout rate this year after 33.3% last year
  • DH Thairo Estrada: 0-3
  • RHP Angel Rincon: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 6/4 GB/FB
Game 86: Make Some Noise
Redemption: Yankees take series opener from O's on Vernon's walk-off
  • trr

    He’s no Jag-off!

  • Ron

    Why isn’t clarkin pitching? He is the only player we signer that has not played.

    • Junebug

      He’s in extended spring training while they decide which level he’s going to because his fastball sits around 88-90 mph an won’t much better but he has slightly above average breaking pitches but they need to work on his control and make sure he can repeat his mechanics then he’ll prob start in low a I would think. I wanna know where that guy is that they drafted that’s 6’9 I forgot his name though.

      • Bo Knows

        He’s 18 fresh out of HS, and was just drafted it goes without saying that he’s going to GCL. Also his fb is 90-93 range according to every report I’ve seen on him.

        He’s probably getting back into baseball shape since it had been a few weeks since he last pitched, also we don’t know how many innings he’s thrown this year between his HS season, and all the showcases he’s been to in the past year. So they could just be taking it easy, easing him into pro-ball

  • forensic

    Cue the “Those scouts are just Yankee-haters” comments…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Not quite what I was going to say, but it does look like the Post had their narrative first, THEN picked scouts’ opinions that met their “TEH YANKS DO NOT HAVE TEH PUIG” narrative.

      It’s the Post. That’s how they handle just about everything.

      • OhioYanks

        I didn’t really think the scout’s actual takes were all that bad, and certainly weren’t surprising given how Slade and Mason have hit this season. They are actually way more positive on Austin than I might have expected. I love his swing and approach, but the “flat swing” comments get repeated ad nauseum around here.

        I sort of agree about the narrative, though, or at least the reactions on here. The Post author does say that they may be the Yankees OF of the future, he says they just aren’t doing so well at present (no duh). When you are comparing just about anyone to Puig’s start you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Zoilo’s hit better than Myers in nearly as many PAs, so I found it a bit odd to point to Wil’s fanfare without Zoilo’s. I don’t expect him to be as good long-term necessarily (he certainly could be), but the Yankees have their own hot young OF at the moment.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Yeah, it wasn’t bad at all. They were actually pretty damn high on Austin, too.

          It was actually the same thing that everyone always says: Slade has big time potential but might not even end up as a 4th OF; Mason Williams should be a good player, but we won’t exactly wow you with his speed and there are concerns about his power potential; and Austin is a good, solid prospect who should hit at the major league level.

          They’re just couched in the writing of a troll.

          • Robinson Tilapia


      • TomH

        I agree that it sounds as if the “Post had their narrative first.” I disagree that this is something unique to them. First comes the story-line (Left, Center, Right), then comes the “evidence.” From the NYT to the Small Town Rag.

    • OhioYanks

      Sort of doubt you actually read the comments. They’re not half bad considering the way those guys, especially Mason and Slade, have struggled this season. It’s possible, but you’re not likely to walk away impressed with guys who have struggled the way those guys have over such a prolonged period of the season. As Cashman points out though, they’re still pretty young guys.

      The ones regarding Austin are practically glowing:
      “‘I think he’s gonna be a real good hitter.'”
      “‘I think he can be a solid everyday guy that might become a middle-of-the-order bat,’ another scout said. ‘I like the way at the plate he stays inside the ball. He’s got good balance, the ball jumps off his bat. … I think he just needs to play. I think that as he plays, he’ll make adjustments [and be fine].'”

      Not high on Williams, but also don’t really slam him. About what I would expect given the performance. The speed comment isn’t what I expected, though-
      “I see a guy that has potential. I don’t see a big ceiling to his game. I don’t see the big tools,” the scout said. “He’s good at a lot of things but there’s no big-time tool. There’s not great speed. He’s got good instincts in the outfield, he plays a decent center field, but it’s not over the top [in center].”

      The scout did caution, “I would say most scouts probably leave there a little disappointed, but it’s early. Your good players get better as the season goes on, and he has time to figure it out.”

      Charlotte manager Brady Williams, whose team played Tampa recently, said, “It looks like the bat speed is there. Just looks like to me that he needs to keep playing.”

      Hard to know what to expect on Slade with all the turmoil in his career, and that’s largely what the scout says:
      “At best right now, he looks like an extra outfielder, if he doesn’t hit,” one scout said, cautioning Heathcott has missed substantial time in his career because of injuries, saying he essentially is willing to let this year slide. “His numbers are poor, and I know that. … They concern me, but they don’t, because I know he’s missing time and at-bats and they’re having him [attempt] to catch up,” he said. “I would be more concerned if the numbers stayed the same [in 2014].”

      • forensic

        1. I did read the article, thank you very much.

        2. They were fine on Austin, but hard on Williams and Heathcott and many people here can’t handle it when anyone says anything not glowing about their beloved prospects, which leads to the comments I spoke of.

        • OhioYanks

          I would say they glowing about Austin, fare to Slade, and a bit harsh to Mason (not saying he doesn’t deserve it, just harsh).

          One scout says that *if* Slade doesn’t hit he’s an extra OF. If any position player doesn’t hit, he’s not that likely to do much in MLB. Maybe a C or SS. That Slade can make MLB without hitting might be a complement. It means that if he does hit, he could be better than an extra OF. Being compared to Nieuwenhuis isn’t a real complement, but he held his own as a rookie. A CF who can put up a 95 wRC+ can have value if his D is there. I think Slade’s AzFL helium knocked expectations a little bit out of whack. If he stays healthy enough to make an MLB impact, I’m great with that.
          Scout says he is literally not counting this year because of the time Slade’s missed. If you think that’s being hard on a prospect, I don’t know what’s being easy on one. That’s about as easy as you can go on the guy. Haven’t seen any Thunder games, but I’d probably be a lot harsher myself.

          Mason has never had a stand-out tool besides maybe his speed and maybe D. A bit odd his speed is being knocked, though I do wonder if that’s an effort/conditioning thing or a physical thing given previous reports.
          The scout says he’s good at a lot of things, has a high ceiling, has potential, has instincts and plays a decent CF. For a guy who isn’t hitting much I don’t know if the report can get too much better. Could hear he’s hitting a lot of liners that are getting caught, I suppose, but this is about what you have to expect.

        • RetroRob

          All three have hit speed bumps this year for various reasons. Bernie Williams rocked in A-ball and then on his first tour at AA/AAA triple slashed an uninspiring .239/.362.399. It’s a slow process. There is probably a good MLB OFer among the three. Which one???

  • dkidd

    prove them all wrong, slade

  • Crink

    I’ve learned my lesson on GCL numbers. Its easy to get excited about guys doing well down there, but after Bichette, I don’t trust those numbers at all.

  • Pat D

    Mike, any chance that the Yankees simply cut ties with DBJ or just let him keep failing until he becomes a MiL FA?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Still young. I’d keep him around until there’s no reason to. Didn’t they do the same with Duncan?

      • OhioYanks

        His career is not off to as good of a start as Eric Duncan, but I agree he’s still too young to cut bait. Give him another year at least. I know people love to call him an overdraft, but he was still a 2nd-3rd round talent according to BA who was not expected to struggle this badly this low.

        Duncan didn’t struggle until hitting AA at 20. Then he hit at that level at 21. It wasn’t really until AAA that Duncan hit a wall he was never able to overcome. Yankees left him there for about 3.5 seasons. Improved a little at 22, but then got worse at 23 and 24.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Fair enough.

      • Pat D

        Well, that’s my expectation, but Duncan was at least at AAA. DBJ is beyond pathetic at Low A.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Unless you wind up with an org roster crunch, what’s the point, really? Keep him around and hope a lightbulb goes off at some point.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          Maybe in 4 years he’ll be decent for a couple of months in Tampa and everybody will think he’s a prospect again!

          • OhioYanks

            Maybe if he were a SS who missed a bunch of time with injury they would say he might re-establish himself on the prospect map *if* he carries it over to AA that year and AAA the next.

            Then maybe you would strawman their argument and pretend they said something entirely different.

            I remember the Angelini comment you are referring to, and it was definitely contingent on the guy actually hitting in AA and I think it might have even been contingent on him hitting in AAA next year.

  • shadow

    Yawn. Been down this road before with the scouts that weren’t enamored with Cano.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Remember when Jagielo didn’t have a hit as a pro yet?

    I hope Slade has that Post article framed for when he plays in his first MLB All-Star Game.

    • https://twitter.com/AngeloInNY Angelo

      The pessimists meet the optimist.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I don’t know if I’m truly playing the optimist but, whenever I read something like that, I root for the player to rub it in the scout’s face later.

    • Bob Buttons

      i still remember how that week one of the chat questions was about Jagielo going 0-fer.

  • Robert

    Does Bichette do a 3rd year at Charleston or get to go to Tampa next year?

    With a good year at SI would Jagielo go to Charleston or Tampa next year?

    Hopefully we get a 3rd baseman out of one of them!

    • OhioYanks

      My guesses are:

      Bichette does not get promoted unless he gets hot down the stretch. Starts in Charleston again (ExST might be better for him, honestly), and is vulnerable to getting his spot taken if anyone actually steps up. Don’t know if that actually happens: Tamarez and Martini are probably better bets for SI. Maybe Wade or less likely Torrens moves to 3B.

      Jagielo is in Tampa to start next season. Expected to be one of the fastest movers in this draft class, and good college guys going NYPL to Advanced A is common anyway.

      My money would be on Jagielo or Adams at 3B. I know Adams is struggling and he may never amount to anything, but these kind of struggles don’t doom him long-term. Anecdotally, Gardner was about as bad offensively his first 141 PA MLB cameo at 24.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Agreed that Jagielo is on a faster track. He’s supposed to be a pretty polished product already.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Torrens just turned 17; he’s not moving off of catcher anytime soon.

        • Greg

          yeah, especially considering he only recently moved to catcher from third. I can’t imagine the level of incompetence he’d have to demonstrate in the coming months to be moved off C. Wade moving to 3rd might be even more implausible.

          • OhioYanks

            Reading comprehension failure. I threw those out there as scenarios where a prospect might knock Bichette out of the Charleston line-up next year. Not as likely to happen. Unless you’re actually watching these guys, though, you have no idea where they’ll move when.

            That Torrens just moved to C from 3B is exactly why he might move back if the Yankees don’t like what they’re seeing. It seems likely some teams would have never put him behind the dish in the first place. I am not watching him, but with all the PBs it’s certainly possible the Yankees pull the plug at C and go with what a scout called “a young David Wright” at 3B.

            Until his Sr year Wade was not considered someone who would stick at SS. He’s committed 4 Es in 25 chances as a pro. I don’t expect him to move either, but calling it implausible is a joke.

            • Greg

              You sure write a lot of long, authoritative comments, but that’s little consolation for being quite dense. Reading comprehension fail indeed. What did I say that would make you think I took your scenarios to be predictions in which you were confident? Absolutely nothing, of course. Yet again, you’re making some pretty childlish leaps. My point was that those scenarios are unlikely to the point of being unworthy of even mentioning. Nothing to cry about, but I guess that’s just you.

              Other teams liked Torrens better at 3B and somebody on the planet likened him to David Wright. Okay, that’s fascinating stuff, but the Yankees obviously prefer him at C. Torrens could totally play 3B…eventually, but the plug will not be pulled by next year. As for Wade, given his profile his value comes from his potential to stick at SS – this isn’t Austin Aune. What teams thought of him as a HS Jr is immaterial. The Yankees would not have drafted him in the 4th round if they did not intend for him to play there at least in the short-to-medium term, and there is literally no chance that he will play full time anywhere other than SS in 2014. Don’t let old scouting reports you find on the internet (about teenagers, no less) and rookie ball defensive stats trump rational thought.

              • OhioYanks

                lol “My point was that those scenarios are unlikely to the point of being unworthy of even mentioning.”

                And I think you are wrong. Be a big boy and realize that two people can disagree on something. Your authoritative word doesn’t make something fact, jag off.

                You seem to want to predict what other people you presumably have zero control over will do in the future with players you probably aren’t watching play even occasionally. That’s pretty freaking dense. How much do you watch GCL games, Wade’s HS games, or Torren’s ExST games to know how these guys look at their positions? My point is that I watch none of those and I talk to no decision maker in the FO, so I have no idea where these guys will move when. I didn’t know that Aune would move to RF rather than CF. I didn’t know when Bird was moving to 1B (though it wasn’t a surprise). I didn’t know Montero was staying at C his whole way through the system. I didn’t know Tamarez had moved to 3B (his value, by the way, was also being a SS… some guys just lose their value quickly, you can’t pretend a guy plays a position he isn’t capable of). I didn’t know that DBJ would play a decent 3B, or that Gumbs would stick this long at 2B, or when they’d move Refsnyder to 2B or how long he’ll stay there… see a trend here?
                I am not being authoritative in the least. Quite the opposite. I don’t expect them to move next season, but it is certainly possible. I am not going to pretend, as you seem to be, that I know where players I am not watching should play.

                “but the Yankees obviously prefer him at C.”

                That they prefer him there today says little about where they prefer him tomorrow. It’s possible they love his potential on D at C, it’s possible they hate it. I have no idea. I’m not pretending that I do based on pure conjecture. You are.

                “there is literally no chance that he will play full time anywhere other than SS in 2014.”

                I am the dense, authoritative one. LMFAO. You have got to be kidding me.

                “rational thought.”

                What do you know about that? You’re pretending to know, definitively no less, all sorts of things you don’t. That’s basically the definition of irrationality.

        • OhioYanks

          Torrens just moved to C recently. Some people never thought he’d play at C in the pros, and would have signed him as a 3B. The Yankees may have been the team to sign him in part because they believe he’s a long-term C, and I doubt they move him this season too: that’s why I said “less likely.” Still possible, though. He’s giving up plenty of PBs and I am not there to actually watch and have any opinion on his D.

          • Bo Knows

            Like you said Torrens just switched to Catcher, its a hard position to learn, of course he’s going to have struggles with learning how the ball moves behind the plate. I seriously doubt they are going to move him off literally months after just converting him to the position. Can he go back there, absolutely but it will be years down the road.

            • OhioYanks

              I doubt it too, but I am not willing to say it’s impossible. That’s all this discussion is about. Semantics, really.

              C, especially, is a position someone has to really WANT to play. I have no idea whether Torrens does or doesn’t, but if he isn’t into it there’s probably not much use in forcing it. As an outsider it’s nearly impossible to say whether he’s into getting better, and without watching the games it’s really hard to say how bad or good he is right now / what potential he’s showing. He has a nice build for a C, but that’s literally all I can say about his C ability personally.

              • Bo Knows

                That’s true it is a demanding position so you have to want to play it to be able to do it, but as we keep saying Torrens was a 3rd baseman, a lot of teams liked him at 3rd base and considering he was one of the 5 best IFA, he was going to get paid regardless, so you can infer that he wants to catch. PB, are often a product of getting crossed up, which isn’t unusual for someone both so young and so new to the position. PB’s are going to happen, especially for him; so I wouldn’t sweat his pass balls yet.

                Also the kid seems to have a cannon behind the plate, as of last check from Baseball References he’s caught 57% of the guys who have tried to run on him so far, which is really good.

        • OhioYanks
  • Ed

    What is this Cashman quote supposed to mean?

    “Out of 73 players, [they’re] the 60th, 66th and 70th youngest players in the league,” Cashman said. “They’re not having good seasons, but everything’s age-related.”

    60th, 66th, and 70th youngest out of 73 sounds like the players are old for the level, but he seems to be saying they’re struggling because they’re young. Also, where does the 73 players come from? That’s about 3 teams worth of players. The league should have a lot more than that.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      He misspoke. He’s saying that they’re the 60th, 66th and 70th oldest players in the league.

      • Aims

        and i assume he was talking about outfielders, not all players…30 teams, 3 outfielders for each team plus plenty of call ups and send downs ect might leave us with 73 consistent AA outfielders…just a guess

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          It’s the Eastern League, not all of AA, so outfielders makes sense.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      He’s probably saying whatever he can to salvage lost value. Because if there’s anything they fear, it’s prospects losing value so they can’t trade it ASAP.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Or he’s just politely explaining to the New York Post guy that he’s a dumbass, especially considering how genuinely not bad these scouting reports are.

        • OhioYanks

          I’m not even sure the Post guys were that negative. The editor’s headline is that they are having disappointing seasons. They are. The author says they could be the OF of the future but are struggling today. He says word on them isn’t nearly as good as on Puig and Myers. True. He says they probably aren’t ready for MLB next season. Probably aren’t, not early on anyway.

          I think it might be more Mike’s lead in that they crushed Slade(which I don’t think they did unless you were irrationally high on him to begin with) that led people to believe it was a negative article.

  • YankeePankee

    Hi all.
    Scranton roster is pathetic.
    Except for possibly Murphy and a couple of pitchers (Ramirez…who many scouts think will wind up in the pen…), bunch of rejects, never were’s and never will be’s.
    Cashman still can’t even develop a lefty reliever in what, about 10 years now? Weak.
    Even sad teams like Seattle have multiple choices as a left reliever (Furbish, Perez, etc.) to get a lefty hitter out in a key spot. But we have to burn out Logan as our only lefty option. Bad.

    • so in conclusion

      … Dunn , Coke ?

    • OhioYanks

      You know that the Ms traded Fister for Furbush (and others), right? And that Logan is at least as good as Furbush?

      • YankeePankee

        Thanks for the feedback.
        See the O’s have at least 2 options in Matusz and McFarland.
        Who has a chance to be a Loogy at Sranton?
        Huff? Spence? Zaggy?
        Think I’d rather have a second lefty than Joba. In fact, I’d trade Joba for a good lefty specialist.

  • your mom

    DBJ = doodoo

  • Shittyshittybangbang

    “Remember, scouting is 80% what you can see…, the other 50% is luck !” Oh that yogi !

  • Dexter Morgan

    Anybody know how to pronounce Jagielo’s name?

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      A few weeks ago someone said its pronounced Ya-GEE-Lo in Polish, but who knows what Ellis Island did to the pronunciation.

  • http://bassoprofundo1@blogspot.com ColoYank

    Stupid rookie level teams – coulda had an organization sweep yesterday.