Jul
02

King: Giants and Braves interested in Joba Chamberlain

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Via George King: The Braves and Giants have interest in Joba Chamberlain as the trade deadline approaches. Both clubs are looking for bullpen help and both had scouts on hand to watch his recent outings — the Braves over the weekend in Baltimore, the Giants last night against the Twins. Both appearances were scoreless.

Chamberlain, 27, has a 5.75 ERA and 5.07 FIP in 20.1 innings this year. He missed about a month with an oblique strain and has been just dreadful since returning, pitching to a 7.36 ERA and 6.14 FIP in 11 innings. Joba’s only redeeming qualities at this point are that he still throws hard (94.8 mph, hardest since 2008) and can miss bats (9.74 K/9, 22.9 K%, and 9.9% swing-and-misses). If the Yankees are lucky, his “name value” with fetch some kind of return. Otherwise half-a-season of an inconsistent, injury prone middle reliever usually nets you close to nothing.

Categories : Asides, Trade Deadline
  • trr

    His time with the team is over. I have no problem trading him, now, tomorrow, next week…

  • MannyGeee

    This has “troll bait” written all over it

  • Caballo Sin Nombre

    How about Joba for $900K in International Free Agent cap space?

    • emac2

      ohhhh

      Interesting

    • Argenys

      I don’t know if it matters much now, the Red Sux stole Rafael Devers from us this morning. For those that don’t know he was one of 2 players the Yankees had most interest in.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        How did the Red Sox steal him when they were expected to sign him the whole time?

        • pat

          Shhhhhhh, narrative. Cashmen was busy looking for another old, expensive, platoon OF.

          • jsbrendog

            i chuckled

          • MannyGeee

            “Mr Cashman, we have Rafael Devers’ people on the line…”

            “He’s gonna have to wait, if I beat Theo at Modern Warfare right here he’s gonna sell me Alfonso Soriano for $25 and my Sopranos Season 3 DVDs…”

            • jsbrendog

              BUDDDDD, THEO IS HIDING IN THE BUILDINGS WITH THE SNIPER RIFLE AGAIN!! IT ISNT FAIR!!!

              • John Mozeliak

                You idiots, that’s why I play Battlefield. I’d just demolish the whole fucking building Theo is hiding in.

            • jjyank

              Heh, nice.

            • pat

              MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM MEATLOAF

        • Dan

          Because the Yankees get first dibs on everyone. That is the way it is supposed to work.

    • jsbrendog

      this is a pretty great idea.

    • NwkLaw

      Honestly wonder what the expected value of $900k is to the MLB team

  • http:/www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew)

    ADIOS FATSO!

  • the Other Steve S.

    Buster Posey or the Justin in a straight-up, make it happen.

  • Kosmo

    Pasternicky and Laird.

    • Preston

      What’s this and stuff, I’d do Pasternicky or Laird.

      • Kosmo

        Yanks are not the only team saddled with bad longterm contracts. The Braves owe Uggla 26 million over the next 2 years. Uggla has struck out over 100 times in about 250 ABS. My point being Pasternicky really hasn´t a position and Laird is expendable. Yanks could add another player.
        Braves are also looking at Crain and Gregg so Joba is one of a few being scouted.

      • NwkLaw

        Not sure that Laird or Pastornicky is an actual improvement over Stewart or Nix. Laird has been hitting in small samples two years in a row now, so maybe he’s turned a corner of some sort. Pastornicky is at least under team control for a while.

        Not sure that either is an appreciable upgrade over Joba. Could be persuaded they are, I just don’t think it’s a slam dunk. Joba could earn back a 7th inning role down the stretch and provide some value.

        • Preston

          He could and I think if we traded him (especially to the NL where hitters hadn’t seen a lot of him) he’d have a great stretch run. But the bullpen isn’t a current area of need and any position player who can hit a little bit is. I might not do it for Laird. But I’d do it for Pastornicky in a second.

          • NwkLaw

            He has youth on his side but Pastornicky has been very Nix-like with the bat to date in both MLB (small sample) and AAA. I might do it to have him around for the next few years. Wouldn’t expect a starter but another warm body at SS doesn’t hurt. For 2013 I’m not sure you’re getting an improvement on Nix.

            I would be interested to at least scout Laird to see if he’s changed his approach and mechanics recently, or has just gotten a little hot the last two seasons.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Joba and Phil for Heyward or else.

    • Dalek Jeter

      AND they throw in McCann!!

      • Evan3457

        …and Kimbrel, so we have an in-house replacement ready to go for life after Mo.

    • The Doctor

      Joba and Hughes are far too valuable to this team. With a 1.77 and 1.5 HR/9 respectively, they are among the best Major League souvenir givers. Sure, we like to see the Yankees win, but really we all go to the game to catch a home run, so they oblige.

      Melky and IPK or nothing.

  • Jake

    It’s also possible a team looks at Joba and thinks they could get more out of him than the Yankees have.

    • mitch

      That wouldn’t be hard because the Yankees haven’t gotten anything out of him since 2010.

    • NwkLaw

      Think it’s safe to assume that any team who does trade for him believes it will get more. Not many teams want a RP with an ERA close to 6 on their roster.

      And there’s plenty of reason to think they might get more out of him going forward (or that the Yankees will if they keep him). I would not expect a shutdown reliever. Just better than he has been so far.

      For some reason this site seems obsessed with taking a player’s production on the season to date as a projection for how he will play for the rest of the season. Of course, this is not how statistics works.

      • Jim Is Bored

        “For some reason this site seems obsessed with taking a player’s production on the season to date as a projection for how he will play for the rest of the season. Of course, this is not how statistics works.”

        This is now one of my favorite comments on RAB. I wish I could frame this comment and adore it every time I’m in a bad mood and need to laugh at someone else.

        • trr

          Joba’s usefulness to this team ended quite some time ago. While it’s quite true that a team acquiring him may see some immediate improvement (usually herein called a “dead cat bounce”) it’s doubtful he will ever fulfill his former promise.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I’m more laughing at the idea that NwkLaw thinks that Mike or Matt have only looked at Joba’s stats from this season to make any sorts of predictions or projections on how he’ll pitch moving forwards.

            And not his pretty substantial injury history.

            • trr

              which is often overlooked…I’m not a Joba hater, but let’s face it, he’s likely to be gone after the season anyway. I can’t imagine getting anything of value for him straight up, but if we do, I’d certainly be OK with it

              • Jim Is Bored

                Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

            • NwkLaw

              Injury history is the way to predict future performance? That’s pretty much another example of what I am laughing at myself.

              What the author did was to say the Yankees will be lucky to get some kind of return. A bit subjective but that means, basically, any return is better than Joba. The Yankees will be lucky to move him and get something. There are a lot of ways to look at future performance that would not lead one to conclude that. Looking only at the recent past is about the only thing that would lead you to conclude that he has virtually no value to the Yankees and they’d be lucky to move him for “something.”

              • Jim Is Bored

                Way to predict future performance:

                Weighted analysis of past 3 years, more if you so choose, balanced with an injury risk.

                No author on this site is using only first half Joba stats to predict his future.

                • NwkLaw

                  Thanks for reading their minds for me. Appreciate it. You are also the guy who decided that using the word blogger is an insult, so I’m going to go ahead and ignore your psychic powers for now.

                  A lot of pitchers miss time for TJS. Your arbitrary three year time frame is largely time missed due to TJS. Good luck with your psychic 3 year predictions. I’d guess any actual prediction of Joba’s second half would show a lot of volatility. Too much to say what they’d be lucky to trade him for with much certainty.

          • NwkLaw

            His “former promise” was to be a top of the rotation starter. He doesn’t have to be 1/10th of that to have some value to the team going forward as a solid middle reliever.

        • TomH

          “Of course, this is not how statistics works.”

          Of course, it’s often how people works.

  • Yankee Space Parader in SWPL hell

    Let’s assume this report is accurate. So while 2 well-run franchises appear to be interested in Joba, Mike thinks its “lucky” if anyone will give anything of value in return.

    Don’t see why anyone would even think of giving more weight to the judgement of guys who are quite successful in doing this for a living as opposed to a blogger…

    • Nick

      Just because they’re interested doesn’t mean they don’t think they can acquire him cheaply.

      • NwkLaw

        The questionable part of the article isn’t really the trade value, but that the blogger wants any return over simply keeping Joba. The point is that his season stats to date do not predict his stats for the rest of the season (hence the rumored interest amongst well run orgs), a point that this blogger doesn’t seem to understand.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I love that you’re using “blogger” as an insult.

          Wake up, it’s not 2005 anymore.

          • NwkLaw

            In no way did I use it as an insult. That’s the way you read it.

            • NwkLaw

              I used it purely descriptively. Try not making a caricature of every comment you disagree with. I’ve made only a few comments and you’re misconstrued two of them.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Sure you did.

                • NwkLaw

                  You have some serious issue, Miss Cleo.

            • Jim Is Bored

              Lol.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Where did the blogger say the blogger wanted Joba traded?

          • Preston

            Are you technically still a blogger? You work for CBS Sports now, I think that kind of makes you a journalist, no?

          • NwkLaw

            “If the Yankees are lucky, his “name value” with fetch some kind of return.”

            If they are actually lucky he will have a great second half, not be traded for “some kind of return.” What this commenter said was that I don’t disagree with his lack of trade value. I disagree that it’s lucky to trade him for an undefined “some kind of value.”

            • Jim Is Bored

              “If the Yankees are lucky, his “name value” with fetch some kind of return.”

              Nowhere in that sentence does “the blogger” say he wanted Joba traded.

              • NwkLaw

                Why are you the defender of the blog? Give it a rest Miss Cleo.

                What do you think “lucky” means in that context? What do your psychic powers tell you about that? I think any reasonable, objective reading of that sentence would lead one to conclude they would be better off (“lucky”) to have anything of “some kind of” value than Joba. If they are better off with anything than Joba… does that read as advocating trading him for just about anything or not trading him?

    • Short Porch

      By that measure, guy with the sig line Yankee Space Parader in SWPL hell who misspells ‘judgment’ and uses the tired ‘just a blogger’ put down, I should say ‘why listen to a troll?’

      • billyballs15

        Short Porch?

        How do you spell Judgement?

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          There’s only one “e”

          • Jim Is Bored

            I think some people are, amazingly, still unaware that google is a thing.

            • Preston
            • Robinson Tilapia

              TEH HOIGLE

            • Pat D

              Google is a large building that walks around and does bad things to everyday people.

        • MannyGeee

          like this:

          judgment

          How do YOU spell it?

          • Jim Is Bored

            O-S-C-A-R M-A-Y-E-R

            • John Mozeliak

              F-L-A-P-J-A-C-K

              • jjyank

                …damn it

    • A.D.

      I mean Yankees traded for Kerry Wood in a similar situation and Cleveland didn’t exactly get a haul

      • Travis L.

        Who DID we send over in that trade anyway?

        • Preston

          Andrew Chive, Matt Cusick, and cash according to Wood’s Wikipedia page.

          • jjyank

            It was cash and a PTBNL at the time, so that’s probably our baseline for a Joba trade. Though Wood was older and was making more money than Joba at the time.

            • Travis L.

              I’m guessing Cusick and Chive weren’t worth a damn?

              • jjyank

                After a quick search, it appears both of them are out of baseball already. So yeah.

  • Kosmo

    it would be great if NY could work out something with the Giants for Joe Panik a native born New Yorker attended St.Johns etc. plays SS-2B but I don´t see it happening.

    • first name only male – Retire 21

      That would be a true Panik move.

  • A.D.

    Really only makes sense if you can expand the deal to get something useful back from another party

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Sell, sell, sell.

    • Travis L.

      Would you change your name if he were traded?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Doesn’t matter. He’d just continue bitching.

  • Jobu

    Two teams interested in Joba . . . wait, what?

    • Preston

      Relievers are volatile, he’s still got the stuff, a change of scenary would probably get his head back on right and he’d be a quality 7th or 8th inning guy down the stretch.

  • CT Yankee

    Tim Lincecum on a rental and maybe keep him around next season on a new deal?

    • The Doctor

      They know Tim can pith in relief very well. They’re not giving him up for Joba. I’m certain he can be had at a very reasonable pride considering his struggles, but while Lincecum is a failing starter, Joba has been a failing reliever for much of the season. The former is much more valuable.

  • Vern Sneaker

    Might as well trade him if we can swing a deal that helps us. Still, his leaving will be kind of a sad thing, even after these last few years of frustration. Such a case of what might have been.

  • emac2

    I think the value of a test drive and maybe first signing option for a solid arm that just might not be well suited to NY is higher than recognized here.

    I like the idea of extra international money mentioned earlier.

    If we really have extra cash to spend and can easily part with the free agents we aren’t going to tender I have to think we could get a real major league quality SS or 3B.

    Hughes, JOba, Cano and Arod for H Ramirez?

    • pat

      Why are they taking Arod’s contract when they have Hanley for 2 years and he’s hitting .387/.427/.707?

      • emac2

        I didn’t realize he was hitting that well but if Cano agreed to resign as part of the deal and they felt Arod was an acceptable health risk and if the Yankees paid some cash and of course Hughes and Joba…:)

        • Jim Is Bored

          And if and if and if and if and if…

    • jsbrendog
  • jsbrendog

    the problem is will they get anything back? probably not.

    second problem, offering a reliever a QO is prob dumb since it is the average salary overall right? so, there goes that.

    is his value to the team higher than the dreck they’re most likely toget back? is this addition by subtraction?

    obviously, listen. If they think joba will pitch high leverage innings then his value is higher than the return. if they don’t then sel that fat turd to the highest bidder for the highest C level prospect!

    too bad LA isnt interested. i mean they did trade carlos santana for mark derosa…

    • Slu

      Exactly. Joba nets you nothing of present or future value in a trade. The only way it helps the Yankees is by saving them money. Since I don’t care about saving Hal money, I say keep him and let him walk at the end of the year.

  • jsbrendog

    why is my comment awaitng moderation? what is this?

    • Jim Is Bored

      Soviet Russia.

      • jsbrendog

        goddamn commies. and arod. arommies.

      • jjyank

        In Soviet Russia, comments moderate YOU!

        • Pat D

          I thought it was in RAB, Robinson Tilapia moderates you.

          • Preston

            Careful what you type, Big Fish is wathcing you…

            • Pat D

              He is? Oh, shit. The last time I was wathced by him the results weren’t pretty.

              • Jim Is Bored

                Does anyone read Terry Pratchett’s discworld series?

                I read “wathced” as though it was said by Igor…

        • Travis L.

          Only Chuck Norris has the power to moderate anyone!

          • Pat D

            Fuck Chuck Norris.

            The real Chuck Norris, not the Chuck Norris Facts Chuck Norris.

            • Preston

              Yeah, he’s an A-hole.

        • Yakov MannyGeee Smirnoff

          In Soviet Russia, your comment await moderation… In America, comment moderation await YOU!

  • http://muveclothing.com handtius

    I just refreshed the page and saw less comments…that’s a first.

  • Bill

    Trade him for international bonus money

  • Roadgeek Adam

    Yay, no more Pedro Strop in the Orioles. Cubs gave Feldman and Clevenger for Arietta, Strop and int’l pool money.

    Interesting.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Should read: “Crap, no more pedro strop on the orioles.”

      We beat the crap out of him last season.

      • Roadgeek Adam

        Not always. But its not like the bullpen for them is 100% behind Johnson either.

        • Jim Is Bored

          2012 Yankees against Strop:

          7/23, 1hr, 2 2B, 9 BB, 3K.

          1.022 OPS.

          I’d say that’s basically “always”.

    • Pat D

      Definitely an interesting trade, particularly with the pool money changing hands.

      Will be interesting to see if Arrieta has any chance of turning it around.

  • Bo Knows

    They can have him, after the incident with Mo I was done with Joba.

    • jjyank

      Even the word “incident” is too strong to describe that complete non-story.

      • Pat D

        There was an “incident” in central PA this date 150 years ago.

        • jsbrendog

          aaron hernandez knows all about “incidents”

  • http://riveravenueblues mississippi Doc

    Before we all start fighting with each other, does anybody (this is for you, Mike) know what the Braves or Giants might offer? And anybody that reasonably meets the Yankees needs. Joba is not a bum. Maybe a head case, but a very talented, young head case.

    • Pat D

      I suppose we could get Kontos back from the Giants.

      • Travis L.

        Wasn’t he doing well? Why would they get rid of a BP arm, when they need BP arms?

        • Pat D

          Joke.

    • jsbrendog

      they updated the mlbtraderumors article saying the giants scout was there only to scout the twins bullpen and not fat jobber.

      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....rlain.html

      “11:33am: Elder, a Giants scout, was in Minnesota last night to see the Twins’ bullpen rather than Chamberlain, tweets Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. Casey Fien, Jared Burton, Brian Duensing, and Josh Roenicke appeared for the Twins, with Burton and Duensing struggling.”

    • Slugger27

      you classify joba as “young” …?

  • Emil
    • Preston

      Oh to be young and in love (with prospects).

    • The Doctor

      “WANG will take the ball quietly every 5th day and win 18-20 games a year during the prime of his career and be the forgotten ACE”

      That was the saddest part.

    • TCMiller30

      “Hughes has a chance to have one of those 15+ wins a year for 15 straight years” kind of runs. That said, Joba’s got a chance to do some serious damage, like 250+ K in a year.”

      Well that’s sad to read.. Haha

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Why does work have to get in the way on a thread this epic?

  • Aluis

    Good riddance!!! Not a fan anymore. I can’t stand to seem him come into games anymore because more often that not he’s going to give up some runs. And usually it’s because he just not that smart when it comes to pitching and like the announcers said yesterday he tries to get to cute in certain counts when he should be attacking hitters.

  • Mikhel

    This sounds like Bruney part deux…

  • Gonzo

    Can we place a disclaimer that we are hitting the part of the year where a ton of players get scouted because it’s after the draft (and the draft deadline is closing in too) and before the trade deadline. Teams with scouts (read every team here) have to get those guys working and scouting everyone.

    It could mean so many different things. It doesn’t have to mean they want him. Hell, it could mean that they were scouting another player but were told to watch Joba with an eye on the offseason.

    Otherwise, I have a Jump to Conclusions Mat you can purchase.

  • LarryM Fl

    “Taxi, Taxi over here” ” Please take Mr. Joba to LaGuardia” Adios big boy.