Update: Yankees talking to Cubs about Alfonso Soriano


8:30pm: There’s a “large gap” between how the Yankees and Cubs value Soriano, reports Buster Olney. The two sides are also haggling over who plays how much of his remaining salary. Paul Sullivan says Soriano confirmed the Yankees have spoken to his agent, but he has not yet been asked to waive his no-trade clause.

1:04am: Via George King: The Yankees are close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano from the Cubs. Chicago will pay the bulk of the $25M or so left on his contract through next season, and the money will be structured in such a way that Soriano has no impact on the 2014 luxury tax calculation, similar to Vernon Wells. King says the Yankees will send a mid-level prospect to the Cubbies.

Soriano, 37, has ten-and-five no-trade protection, but he has indicated he will not veto a deal to return to New York in the past. He came into Monday’s action hitting .259/.289/.476 (103 wRC+) with 17 homers this season, including a 123 wRC+ against lefties. Following what has become an annual slow start, he’s put up a .300/.326/.744 (186 wRC+) line with ten homers over the last 30 days. The Yankees are desperate for power, particularly from the right side, so Soriano definitely fills a need.

Categories : Asides, Trade Deadline


  1. Cy Pettitte says:

    this fixes everything

    • OldYanksFan says:

      Just what would you like Cashman to do?

      My guess is Cashman has called every GM and inquired about any player who may be available.
      It is a sellers market. My guess is close to half the teams in MLB feel they have a shot at a WC spot. Considering the Yanks are already spending TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT million this year (so far) and next years budget, Cashman is severely handcuffed.

      All is all, Sori is a pretty good get.

    • Tisha says:

      another aging player, good going Cash.

      • eeiah says:

        This is a no brainer…not paying anything for him and he can hit. He is instantly the 2nd best hitter on the Yankees AND what’s better a RH Power Bat. Maybe better yet they giving up a mid level prospect? Absolute no brainer.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          He’s probably the 3rd best after Gardner and Cano.

          • Deathstroke Heathcott says:

            Although Gardner is definitely the beteer overall player due to his defense and baserunning, I still think soriano is the better hitter.

          • Tom says:

            If hitting isn’t a criteria then Gardner is an easy number 2, but alas, nobody knows how fantastic a baserunner you are unless you, I dunno, get on base?

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              Boy you chose the wrong stat.

              Soriano OBP: .286
              Gardner OBP: .348

              Thank you, come again.

              • randy says:

                They are looking for power, not someone to get on base. The Yankees are having trouble driving in runs. Power from the right side.

      • Robbbbb says:

        I have a good memory for stuff like this and I predict Alphanso to thrive here and even retire as a Yankee. He has HUGE unfinished business in the Bronx.
        I think he’s finally come home. Better get a good number.

    • William Kaufman says:

      It’s 1990 or 1965 deja vu all over again–the Yankees heading for the cellar because (a) they have held onto aging stars too long (1965) and (b) instead of developing young talent have become the garbage collectors of MLB (1990)..

      Soriano falls under (b). Soriano, age 37 (Cashman realizes that this is a sport, right?) has a WAR of .7–less than a full game. This might help the Yankees escape the AL East cellar by a hair, but it’s not going to thrust them into contention for a playoff spot. Cashman is simply doubling down on his fatal addiction to over-the-hill, over-thirty glamour names who have almost nothing left. If this were 2006, the Yankee roster would be a juggernaut. But with those same names in 2013, the Yankees are a disaster–and Cashman is only making it worse with moves like this. The reality is that the Yankees are doomed for this year and the next several years until they stop collecting aging duds and start rebuilding with young talent. That means SELLING now, and cashing in their best chips: Kuroda, Cano, etc., while they can. If Cashman doesn’t do this, the Yankees will be looking up at the rest of the division for years to come. That’s how bad they are.

      • Christopher Martinez says:

        You are completely correct, but what more can you expect? The yankees need a right handed bat, and yea they are most likely doomed for this season, butits still not over and its too late for young talent because the yankees are all ready half way in the season. For young talent to be made again it would have to happen in spring training. The Yankees are just trying to win some games to try and get to the post season. But overall, you are completely correct.

    • ron lanyi says:

      Will help sell tickets for a month or two, but otherwise, why bother.

    • GR says:

      The reason the Yanks let Soriano go was because of his refusal to go to the outfield from second base. He said he didn’t feel comfortable in the outfield and then when he went to Washington he led the league with 20 assists and clobbered 46 homers. If Soriano comes back to the Yankees he will join Cano as 2 of the most talented laziest players on the field. Neither one runs hard out of the box and stands there watching the balls they hit thinking they are homers. Especially watch Cano jog down to first when a misplayed ball could have made a difference in him being safe at first. 2 weeks ago Cano lost a triple as he was thrown out at 3rd because of him being lazy and not running hard. You can tell that Michael Kay and the rest of the guys in the booth are biting their tongues in regards to Cano’s lackluster performance at times. Their work ethic sucks and I blame Joe Giradi for letting his star players get complacent, he’s weak and won’t reprimand them. Billy Martin would have kicked their butts all over the field and benched them. Soriano has never lived up to his 136 million contact and should give it back. Can you imagine how great these players would be if they really tried and just weren’t going through the motions. Give the players 1 million base and the rest they have to earn on incentives, kind of like the Walter Alston 1 year contacts with the Dodgers. The Yanks should never have let Ibanez go, that’s a person who tries and always plays hard, class all the way! A model ballplayer even at age 41. Lets get Giambi back at least he tries and plays hard and he’s fun!

  2. The Doctor says:

    Hey, it’s an improvement. An improvement that makes me seriously question the team’s direction as a whole, but an improvement nonetheless. It’ll be exciting to see him back if nothing else.

    • mac1 says:

      I agree with every word.

    • dalelama says:

      When you have little major league talent, no minor league talent, and free agency isn’t an option this is what you get.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        Look who’s back!

      • trr says:

        You said a mouthful, Dale!

      • jameshendrickson says:

        where is this talent cashmen was going to bring along when he got full control of the team .now we have no young talent and no place to go but backwoods and stop playing hafner now it is so depressing put anyone at dh used those kids on the bench they cannot be worst it is to a appoint that when he comes to the plate it is time to changed the tv

      • Tisha says:

        no minor league talent is not true. The talent in the farm is not major league ready, yet.
        2015-2016 is the year that you’ll see some youth coming up to the team

  3. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Can he play 3rd?

    • forensic says:

      Or 1B? Or C?

      OF would’ve seemed to be down low on the list of needs, especially since they’re already locked into other contracts and players. It may help DH a bit, but otherwise seems a little like an odd place to try to upgrade.

      • LK says:

        Eh, they could use an upgrade anywhere other than 2B. The problem is it’s yet another player on the team for 2014 who might suck at that point. But it’ll be cool to have Soriano back – he was almost a legend for that homer in ’01.

        • ChrisS says:


          He’s barely average already and not much more than K-machine with the occasional HR.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

            No room for a 100 wrc+ bat with above average fielding on this team? Did I miss something?

        • OldYanksFan says:

          This. At this point, forget position. We simply need the best bats we can find. I mean, we have ZERO DH contribution. Any above average bat is an improvement.

          • Poconos Adam says:

            What’s the point? This team is going nowhere and Sori, despite his nice bat, isn’t going to change that.

            Plus, now we have Sori and Wells sitting around in 2014 taking ABs/40 man spots from someone who might have something to do with the next good Yankee team (2015 or 2016).

            What a mess…..I just don’t see what Sori does except make the current batting order slightly less embarrassing….but Cruz, Stewart, Nunez are still hitting 7-8-9. All you’re doing is sitting Hafner against LHP and Wells against RHP I guess (in exchange for Sori).

            Just no point in it all.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              ” All you’re doing is sitting Hafner against LHP and Wells against RHP I guess (in exchange for Sori). ”

              If you don’t think there’s a point in doing that…

            • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

              If the Angels and Cubs are paying nearly all of Wells’ and Soriano’s contracts for 2014, if they stink in 2014, they can cut and fast. They don’t even have to break with spring training with the team.

              There is a lot of bad things to say about the Wells acquisition, but one of them isn’t 2014. He’ll cost the Yanks $1 million next year.

    • Gonzo says:

      He’s no Thames.

    • Wolfgang's Fault says:

      No specific comment ’til I hear who we’re dealing. If the Cubs are going to pay for virtually all of Soriano’s salary, you’ve gotta figure they’re getting a very good prospect (or two) back in return. Not happy about this.

      • Rick says:

        It’s already reported to be a “B” prospect. So….. false.

        • ChrisS says:

          Zack Wheeler was a B prospect.

          Yankee B-type prospects:
          1) Gary Sanchez, C, Grade B+
          2) Tyler Austin, OF, Grade B+
          3) Mason Williams, OF, Grade B
          4) Slade Heathcott, OF, Grade B
          5) Brett Marshall, RHP, Grade B-
          6) Jose Campos, RHP, Grade B-
          7) Angelo Gumbs, 2B, Grade B-
          8) Mark Montgomery, RHP, Grade B-
          9) Ty Hensley, RHP, Grade B-
          10) Manny Banuelos, LHP, Grade B-
          11) Nik Turley, LHP, Grade B-
          12) Corey Black, RHP, Grade B-

          • Pat D says:

            Those grades are from…where?

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              His butt.

            • ChrisS says:


              But, he’s not a Yankee apologist, so just cover your eyes and imagine Cashman whispering sweetly into your ear, “oooh yeah, baby, I’ma make it alright. just sit back and relax. Sori is still talented, here buy these tickets … all our prospects are awesome except the crap I trade to other people … that’s right, just enjoy the ride …”

              • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                Man, you really have us pegged.

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                There’s about four to five guys on that list is be perfectly fine with trading.

                Also, you “heard” B-prospect and countered with one prospect list which fits your narrative.

                But don’t worry, baby, if they rebuild and trade everyone, all those prospects they get back will all succeed and be ready to contend by 2015. It wont be like all those other teams because, Chris, baby, your a winner. If not, we’re the Yankees. We won’t mind if you change your mind and chant for them to start spending on FA’s again.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                  Eh, Turley, Black and Marshall i’d be ok with. Not sure about the rest. Maybe Gumbs.

                  • Poconos Adam says:

                    Joel Sherman (for what it’s worth) says the Cubs were scouting Chase Whitley.

                    Lesser prospect would likely mean Yanks take on more $$$ — I think I’d rather deal a better prospect and make Sori a $5 mill player — then he fits 2014 better.

                    I still say “why bother” — but I’m not the GM.

                • JobaWockeeZ says:

                  You do the same thing for your narratives…

                • wolfgang's Fault says:

                  Ok, Tilapia, which “four to five guys on that list,” are you “perfectly fine with trading?”

              • Cool Lester Smooth says:

                You do understand that what is considered a “B-prospect” in a trade is different from a prospect that Sickels gives a B, right?

                Ha, what am I saying? Of course you don’t.

            • Tisha says:

              Pat D-

              those rankings come from Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus and Keith Law

            • Preston says:

              Those are John Sickel’s grades, but his definition of a B prospect is much different than what people mean generally when they say B prospect. B prospect in trade rumors means fringe guy. Sickel’s is using it more like literal grades, A is elite, B+ means all-star potential, B solid regular etc. C+ prospects in his scale would still probably not be B prospects as people mean when they are talking about throw ins in trades.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      If we’d gotten a 3B or a 1B or a catcher, we’d complain about the other 2 positions and our OF.

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      No, but he’ll push one of our other replacement-level players to the bench.

  4. Mattchu12 says:

    Hafner isn’t exactly lighting it up at DH these days. As long as we didn’t give up much, I’m in.

    • jameshendrickson says:

      hey seen enough of hafner might just as well played each of the two young players you just brought sit hafner down don’t care if both young kids are righty they canot be any worst then hafner this guy is done

  5. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    The Junk-Yard Yankees

  6. Revan says:

    Lol we have no plans fr the next year much less the future. Not surprising.

  7. Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain) says:

    He isn’t Bryce Harper but he’s better than anyone else out there besides Gardner. Sounds good to me. He adds some right handed power too.

    • If anyone thought that there was a Bryce Harper type to be had then they are nuts. These are the kind of moves that most teams make at the trading deadline. Hope that there are a few more of these in the works. I Love this move. Soriano instantly becomes the 2nd best hitter on this team. The Yankees need a bat anyway they can get it. Going into next year you have a OF/DH and right handed power. Yeah he is old, but he is still producing at an above average rate.

  8. El Johnny D says:

    Jesus christ, Yankees. Do you not realize that you are sellers and not buyers? Why do you keep taking flyers on absolute crap that wont help this team contend?

    • Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

      The Yankees are no longer a baseball team but rather a Broadway show. Tickets are no longer sold to fans but rather to firms who use them to entertain out of town clients. And just like Broadway, the roles aren’t based on talent but on has-been name appeal.

      • Yeayo says:


      • Angelo says:

        You just reminded me why I stopped reading the comments for anything other than DotF.

        Can we go back to 2008-2010…you know, when bexy, Matt, TSJC, JMK, etc still commented here? Lame…

        • Jack P says:

          So instead of making a legitimate reply you just complain? You’re no better than the people you are complaining about.

          • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

            Yeah, because the rest of these shit comments on here have been super insightful.

            • ChrisS says:

              I’m glad you’re running things.

              The Yankee ship sinking and their only response is to throw more dead weight on it.

              • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                That’s exactly what’s going on. Yup.

                No upside at all, this is doomed from the start.

          • Cool Lester Smooth says:

            What is a “legitimate reply” to that? It’s either obvious trolling or deep stupidity, neither of which merits a “legitimate reply.”

          • Angelo says:

            Well, that’s one opinion. I didn’t realize the initial comment warranted a serious response. I’m not even sure what a legitimate response would have been.

            When people are that far gone, there’s no point in taking them seriously.

        • Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

          Ugh, I miss TSJC so much.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            They’d point out the silliness of the team, sure, but you never doubted they were fans. They were super fans, and that’s what made me proud of even just lurking. I felt like a more knowledgable fan just reading the comment section.

            Do you honestly feel that way now reading stuff here outside of a few people?

          • Slu says:

            Yeah, it has been tough without all the YouTube links and Simpsons quotes. And don’t worry, several people have taken up the mantel of talking down to “non-regulars”. Just look below this comment.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          What, you don’t like the assortment of radio callers on the last few threads? Jeez, dude.

          They’d have cowered in fear of the old guard.

        • Pat D says:

          Uhh…Matt still comments here. But true to form, only when the Yankees lose so he can reel off his paragraph long posts about how bad the team is and he knew it all along.

          You honestly want to see that?

          • Matt B says:

            there’s a couple longwinded Matts, I think, I only mention it because I am without a doubt longwinded to the extreme – but otherwise a rational and devoted fan, striving for optimism rooted in realism. I’d like to know the piece going over, and I’d like to know that Vernon will be thanked and set off his merry way next season. Alfonso isn’t going to save this season – that’s fantasy on par with the notion that he’s a lousy player. He is not. Yes, right this second, his is an exact league average hitter – but he’s hit lefties throughout his career, his power is still plus, and he can actually bring a little versatility (do’t get me wrong, not suggesthe go anywhere near 2B, SS, or 3B) – but I’d have no issue seeing if he could he occassionaly spell Overbay against a lefty, and he can take some DH bats from a seemingly cooked Hafner- but otherwise, certainly till Grandy’s back, he’s an everyday outfielder. He’s managed to become a plus defender and, importantly, he brings no significant platoon split to bear (he has a split this year, 116 v. LHP, 92 v. RHB), I can live with the 92, but historically – as recently as last season – he had no split whatsoever.

            So yeah, to the extent there’s still a race, why not add pop to a lineup that has none, righty power to a lineup that has none, and a little bit of versatility to a lineup that has none.

            All that said, let’s see who’s going over – and while I expect that Wells is safe for now, Fons and Vernon are absolutely redundant next year, and if this deal entails them having to carry both next season, that changes it for me.

            • Pat D says:

              You’re not that Matt to which I refer unless you recently changed your handle from just “Matt.”

              • Angelo says:

                I was referring to the writer from another blog site. Matt Imbrogno. Sorry for not being clear. You’ve also been around for a long time…

                • Pat D says:

                  OK, gotcha.

                  Yea, I’ve been around since 2010 or so. Probably overstayed my welcome. I seem to have a lot of enemies.

        • trr says:

          Sorry Angelo, but Ghost’s comments are right on the money, no pun intended. See you on DOTF

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Thank you, non-fan. I guess every actual fan attending the game is a mirage.

      • Scout says:

        I can’t imagine anyone thinking Soriano brings name appeal and sells tickets.

    • OldYanksFan says:

      Just what is this costing us? As long as we don’t lose any prime farm talent, what’s the downside here?

      Are you really worried about 2014?
      Do you think next year, that this team on a $189m budget will be more competitive than our current team?

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        There is no downside. That’s why everyone in this thread is so pissy.

        • Angelo says:

          Well, there are some concerns, but overall it would be a welcome addition. The outfield situation for next season will be complicated and filled with question marks unless they release or trade someone.

          Then there’s the question of which prospect would be going to the Cubs, which will impact my view on this trade.

          Not much downside to the trade from the looks of it though.

    • Dick M says:

      Johnny D’s got it right. We should be sellin. The fans need to do their part and stay away from the stadium and the TV which shouldn’t be that hard to do. How many has-been OF’s do we need on 2 yr contracts?

  9. forensic says:

    As long as it’s a no big deal prospect, I guess it’s ok. I still kind of question the real point of it though. Yeah, he’s a righty and has some power, but it’s also adding another sub-.300 OBP to the lineup and it’s putting another OFer under contract for next year.

    • Angelo says:

      I agree for the most part. I guess if Soriano continues to hit well he could have an OBP around .310 for the rest of the year.

      Hopefully the prospect isn’t too important.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      The problem is it’s not like we already had a ton of guys capable of driving in someone with a high OBP.

  10. Tom says:

    Oh good grief, no. I’m afraid to think of who they might have to give up as well. If it’s a non prospect or fringe guy sure… but I think it’s going to make folks (or at least me) cringe.

    I guess any thought of upgrading the OF in the offseason is done with the 2014 OF of Wells, Soriano and Ichiro; to go with Gardner.

    This also would seem to suggest plan 189mil is alive and kicking (not 100% confirmation but if not, why frontload the luxury tax this year?)

    • Cy Pettitte says:

      article says “In return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.”

      which slightly concerns me

      • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain) says:

        It will probably be a nobody. Brett Marshall or Jose Pirela or something like that.

      • Tom says:

        I’m thinking (and scared) it might be somoene in the 10-20 (or maybe 15-20) range.

        If it is someone like Nuke suggested below (Marhsall) than no biggie, but that really seems like best case

        (based on my vast inside sources with both the Yankees and Cubs front offices of course!)

      • Mark says:

        I think I read the Cubs scouts were following Trenton for a few days, maybe someone like Tommy Kahnle?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

      This also would seem to suggest plan 189mil is alive and kicking

      This is the part that concerns me most.
      Making a win now kind of move while sticking to a plan that is very anti-win now (or win next year anyways).

      • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

        meh, I think the fact that he would be owed nothing next season would be more of a win later move. Less money spent on Sorianos and Vernons = more money spent on Cano

  11. Isaac says:

    I mean, its not completely bad, but I dont know if I like the way Cashman is holding onto every single top prospect, they better not bust or the GM job is up for grabs.

    Still doesn’t solve third though, any chance we can promote Jagielo to the majors tomorrow?

    • Dan says:

      I’m sure that Cashman would be willing to move top 10 guys for the right offensive piece if he’s available. That would be someone who’s under team control at least for next year and could be an all star (Chase Headly comes to mind)

    • Angelo says:

      I don’t think it has to do with holding onto every single top prospect. It just doesn’t look like their are any big names on the trade block. Most teams are locking up their young stars to big deals nowadays. But I’m guessing you already knew that.

  12. Mark says:

    Kind of amazing George King can still break a trade in a newspaper article in the instant twitter world we live in.

  13. Gonzo says:

    I know everyone wants to crap on Alfonso, but he’ll be the best bat traded this hot stove season, right?

    • Alex says:

      Absolutely, this team has the pitching to win.

    • forensic says:

      Guess we’ll see, but that’d be pretty sad if it was true. About league average overall and a sub-.300 OBP. Doesn’t seem like that should be the best one traded by the deadline.

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        Yeah, Morales and Morse are both a lot better than Sori. He’ll still be near the top, though. 30 HR power doesn’t exactly grow on trees.

    • Gonzo says:

      Meant up to this point. Bah, going to bed.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      Unless someone kidnaps Jeff Loria’s daughter and ties her in a basement, you might be right.

      Black horse candidates in Ibanez and Morales, but Soriano has a legit chance to be the guy.

  14. Manny says:

    we’re not making the playoffs this year.

  15. Yeayo says:

    Fuck this.

  16. Kevin G. says:

    Can we trade him for a 28 year old A-Rod again?

  17. stuart a says:

    not a bad move….

    wells or hafner can go bye bye.

    soriano can play right and dh….

    oakland was interested in garza how about hughes t ooakland? huge pitcher friendly ballpark. they have some prospects that could work long term…

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      Wells isn’t going anywhere. They’re not releasing a guy who they invested $13 million 3 months ago. If he’s sucking a year from now maybe but certainly not now.

      • Matt B says:

        I agree, Vernon’s sticking this year, but this is also the year where all his cost is absorbed. He’s free next year. And I don’t know how to feel about that. Of course, particularly with Sori in the fold, but even without, I want Vernon gone. You’d think that owing him nothing next year, the Yanks would find a way to cut ties. Which leaves Gardner, Sori, Ichiro, with alot TBD – (a) is austerity happening or no?; (b) chance Grandy takes a QO? (3) Dependent on 1, while it’s not a fantastic OF market, it’s not barron, I’ve longed to trade for a 25 year old cost controlled stud outfielder for years, still not sure the Yanks have the pieces. and at the risk of just continuing old and oldest, I’d gladly sign up Beltran for two years and (D) I think there’s going to be debate over the future of Garnder – I’d be shcoked if they extend him, I think they’ll take him to arb and let it play out, but one could argue that he could be a nice piece in a good deal in the offseason – where the Yanks, as with every other club, will be dealing from a stronger position.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee says:

      Especially if there’s a chance Bartolo Colon goes all Biogenesis on us…

  18. bkight13 says:

    2014 Lineup

    2B CANO??
    SS JETER???
    3B AROD???

    SP ??????

    I just wanted to write it down to try and figure it out. That’s about 130m in salary. I guess 189m is do-able, but that lineup sure leaves a lot to be desired.

    • Kevin G. says:

      If A-Rod gets suspended next season you can take off like $20-$30 million from the payroll

      • OldYanksFan says:

        If it’s a 150 game suspension, that’s about $22m and change in salary… and we don’t have to worry about the $30m HR bonus.
        We should be able to get a workable 3Bman and a decent bat at another position for that money.

        ARod’s looming suspension for 2014 greatly helps the team.

    • stuart a says:

      wells will not be on the team his cost to the yansk next year is $1 mill. he is friggin gone…

      i think granderson comes back on a 1 year deal also, so ichiro may sit also.

      arod is not playing for them, at a minimum he is gone for 100 games…so 3B will have a new employee also.

      • Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

        it’s still shocking that the Yanks are paying Wells $14 million for 2 years of nothing.

      • Angelo says:

        Seriously doubt Granderson returns on a one year deal. He had some freak injuries and he can still hit for power. I’m guessing he’ll get a 3 year deal from someone.

        • Manny's BanWagon says:

          Absolutely. It’s a ridiculous idea to think Grandy is gonna turn down multi year guaranteed money to,sign for 1 year with the Yankees.

          • Matt B says:

            I don’t think you’re wrong, but I think we don’t know enough to call it ridiculous. The fact of their being freak injuries to him is helpful in that they’re not likely to continually re-occur. But it’s two hand injuries. He’ll get multi-year deals either way. but I’m not convinced he’ll get such at the AAV of the 13.8 mill QO.

            As Bill Parcells would say “I need to say the player on the field.” Cause bear in mind, barring his cameo this year. the last sustained images of Grandy on the field are an awfully ugly second half of 2012.

            The on field results may just make it moot. If he’s bak in August and rakes the rest of the year, then yeah, some club will offer him at least 3/39, and he’ll take it. If he either doesn’t get back, or the results or mixed, I think it becomes a closer question (on both sides, btw). But if Grandy and the team believe he’s healthy, but he’s not able to sufficiently demonstrate it on the field this year, I can easily sse him taking the higher number for ’14 and hitting the market again in ’15.

            E.g., are you sure Grandy takes 3/21 over 1/14 with a chance for a better three year deal one year hence? I’m not.

            • Angelo says:

              Grandy would make a lot more than $7M per year if he was on the market at the end of this season.

              Ichiro road a hot streak at the end of last season to a two year deal worth $6.5M per year (2 year deal, so slightly different) and their were rumored to have been better offers on the table. A declining Grandy is still a much better hitter than Ichiro.

              I don’t completely disagree with most of everything else you said, but Grandy would still make at least $10M per year right now.

              • Matt B says:

                Yeah, I don’t think we disagree strongly (if we do, hell, you seem like a good dude) i just think it’s very dependent on when he gets on the field this year and what he looks like.

                I basically believe that he’s going to fine power wise long term, but I wonder the degree to which clubs are going to want to see evidence of that Also I think the valuation is highly dependent on whether clubs still view him as a CF.

                I think the Ichiro comp is inapplicable for a couple of reasons. First, if nothing else Ichiro was clearly healthy and durable. Second, I think any club offering Ichiro a second year wasn’t dealing entirely from an objecive baseball ops POV – that said, numbers can tell us stories, and Fangraphs will tell you that Ichiro was more valuable than Grandy last year. I don’t buy it for a second – not because I disregard defensive metrics, but because I think there’s too much standard error to allow them to erase such a giant offensive gap.

                In saying all this, I basically do agree with you – the FA market for outfielders is thin, and there’s not a true stud among them (I’d sign up Beltran for 2/30 in a heartbeat in either a world of no austerity or a world where ARod’s suspension clears money – I’ve been longing for the day to see them trade for a cost-controlled stud position player, but just so hard to do, and I love the idea of a Beltran for a year or two to let the club find out what they really have in Williams, Slade, Austin – rambling now, it’d make me more nervous, both cause of the length of the deal, and because I think there’s legit help coming in the system, again in a non-austerity or non-Arod world, I’d sign McCann too even at significant dollars and even under the assumption he wouldn’t catch for the duration of the deal).

                If I were a GM while all avaiable info and what I saw of Grandy this year is he makes it back for six weeks, Ks a ton, and doesn’t slug, I don’t know what call to make. And obviously the notion of him being a five year, 100 mill guy is gone for good. Maybe it’s 2/25 – and yeah it could get to 3/30, I’d just be on pins and needles giving three if I don’t have real assurance that if nothing else, Grandy’s gonna mash – and in that area, no doubt YSIII has helped him. Plus I think he’d like to stay, though he’ll get nothing more than a QO. Will be interesting.

                Off topic – and I have never been an Arod hater, still not – but the blessing it would to this team to have him serve a suspension next year, save that money, and click a year off the contract – I struggle with rooting for that, I really do. I wanted Arod back yesterday in the lineup (which leades to me another rant yeah David Adams looked pretty, lost, but he’s gone back down and hit just as always, why is he not playing third every day? At least find out what you have over a larger sample). If Mustelier is healthy and is remotaly capable of standing at third base, I’d feel the same.

                Anyway – sorry, ha, i’m forced into such concision at work, you let me loose on a forum, it all comes out.

                • Angelo says:

                  Haha, well if it helps, I agree with pretty much all of this.

                  Hopefully Grandy comes back strong. And I have no clue what the resolution at 3B will be. I’d imagine their best option is A-Rod, but I’d prefer the Yankees to have the money they’d save over a suspension. So we’ll probably end up seeing some combination of AAAA guys try to prove they are capable of being the starting 3B for the rest of the year, which is probably not a good thing…

        • jameshendrickson says:

          we need to sign granderson good player this a no brainer

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        You seem to think he’d get more than Braun? Not so sure.

    • Mattchu12 says:

      CF – Gardner
      SS – Jeter
      1B – Teixeira
      2B – Cano
      3B – A-Rod/Adams
      DH – Soriano
      C – Murphy
      LF – Almonte
      RF – Ichiro

      That’s far from a bad lineup.

    • Mike says:

      I think they resign Kuroda, and if Sabathia keeps pitching as abysmally as he has so far this season, slot Kuroda in 1st, Sabathia could be a 3rd by next season if this keeps up.

    • phil says:

      need a free agent starting pitcher and outfielder still keep you under $189.

  19. Alex says:

    This team has so many holes I don’t give a shit at what position they improve.

  20. stuart a says:

    btw Chicago got a ton for Garza a rental. Kuroda is a rental also and his #’s are as good or better then Garza…

    sounds like the Yanks are not sellers but they should still trade joba and hughes…

    • Wolfgang's Fault says:

      Wrong, they should resign both of them!

    • trr says:

      Rest assured, Stuart, their days are numbered, one way or the other.

    • Cuso says:

      If you buy into Olt, Grimm, et all being a “ton.”

      Olt’s prospect’itude’ went in the tank.

      • JohnnyC says:

        Correct. A lot of people don’t realize how badly Olt’s prospect status has faded since 2012. They were starting to think he had vision issues.

    • Matt B says:

      Re: Hiroki – leaving aside issues with his no trade clause, for me, it’s all a question of whether they believe they can bring him back again at the same salary, cause in my view they need to.

      I’m allowing myself to live in a happy fantasy realm right in which either (a) austerity leaves the building or (b) and stuart, I know you hate him, I don’t share the animosity, and would have liked him back this year, but vis-a-vis austerity next year, a one year Arod suspension is manna from heaven – that’s money that potentially could allow the club to sign both McCann and Beltran (the merits of which can most certainly be debated, believe me, I wish more studs pre-30 were hitting the market – I think McCann will rake and rake, and won’t have to necessarily catch for the duration of his deal, and I’d gladly overpay Beltran if he’ll come on a two year deal buys some time for them to see what they have in slade, tyler, and mason. Or they go in a different direction that allows them to sign a starter (I have no choice but to believe that Nova and Pineda pitch out of the rotation next year).

      Of course, that’s just probably my happy fantasy, in which case it’s very cold blooed with HIro, who I love. He’s clearly the staff ace – yeah at this age, it could go quickly, but nothing points to that; and so if they think they can get him back, I think they’ve got to keep him. But if they have reason to think otherwise, I wouldn’t hesitate to test the market – if he can fetch just a single above average w/ upside cost controlled MLB ready position player, it’s a no brainer.

  21. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Definitely an upgrade, but he’ll be injured by tomorrow.

    In all seriousness, not that hopeful its going to make a big difference.

  22. Crush says:

    Why not trade for another guy over the age of 35?

    This trade isn’t the worst move they could have made, but they definitely need more, preferably younger players at the deadline.

    Otherwise that’s all she wrote for the season.

  23. Dalek Jeter says:

    Not a bad trade. It’s not going to fix everything, but it at least gives us a major league caliber top half of the line up. Depending on what “mid level prospect” means in this case, I’m down. The only real downside in this is that he is a less shitty version of the Wells scenario. I guess the bright side is it gives the team a replacement for Wells if/when he gets cut at some point this year or next.

  24. Nathan says:

    Not bad for nostalgia and not bad considering they’re desperate for ANY kind of power.

  25. Nathan says:

    And for a second, I scared myself and thought it read “Rafael Soriano” and thought “WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYyyy”.

  26. stuart a says:

    soriano strikes out a ton but he still has some power… wells is a better fielder but he cannot hit at all.

    the payroll effect soriano or wells will have on the team next year is almost nada.

    why not especially if the prospect is non of the big 3 outfielders, etc…not only do the yanks have injuries to the stars they have injuries to the backups and backups of backups ie; cervelli, youkilis, nix, and almonte…

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I know you hate advanced statistics and sabermetrics, stuart, but Soriano has a higher UZR rating according to fangraphs, and actually isn’t a bad defensive outfielder

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      And I certainly think the prospect won’t be anything higher than a B- kind of guy, the type you’ve got many of at the MiLB level.

  27. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    I know objectively he’s hitting quite well, but…

    37 years old?

    I give him a week until he hits the DL.

    • trr says:

      well, that would certainly be in line with everything else that’s happened this year. But sooner or later that injury wheel’s gotta stop spinning….right?

  28. dkidd says:

    i’ll take it

    now go get carlos quentin

    • forensic says:

      He’d fit right in with his injury history.

      But, he’s too young and gets on base too much to be a really good fit, I think.

      As a fantasy owner of his, though, I would love to get him out of Petco.

  29. Dalek Jeter says:

    And hey, Kudos to Mike for breaking this before mlbtraderumors!

  30. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    I sure as hell hope this doesn’t mean the opening day OF next year is going to be Ichiro/Gardner/Soriano with Wells as the 4th OF.

    • forensic says:

      It doesn’t.

      Wells will be the DH.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

        heh. I was assuming Jeter would be spending most of his time at DH so they could keep Nunez’ “bat” in the lineup.

        • forensic says:

          You said ‘opening day’ though. I would hope Jeter doesn’t still need to DH on opening day next year. ;-)

          Seriously though, I have no doubt whatsoever that those guys will be the 4 OFers next year now.

      • Future ACE MannyGeee says:

        There is no way Wells DH’s. His value at this point is actually in the field as he is not a horrible defender for a COF. Soriano is lesser defender of the two.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      That’s not a terrible starting outfield…as long as the 4th OF is anybody but Wells and Wells gets cut because he’s basically the poorest man’s Soriano at this point

      CF Gardner
      SS/DH Jeter
      2B Cano
      1B Teixeira
      LF/DH Soriano
      3B/DH A-Rod (or 3B unknown because A-Rod suspended)
      LF/DH Granderson(he has to take the QO after missing most of the season)
      RF Ichiro
      C Who the fuck ever

      isn’t a completely terrible lineup IF Tex, Jeter, and Granderson bounce back from their respective injuries.

      • forensic says:

        I would be absolutely shocked if Granderson was in pinstripes next year and Wells wasn’t.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          I cannot see anybody giving Granderson a long term deal for any kind of money coming off of essentially breaking his wrist twice…especially because he’s a one trick pony, and wrist injuries are known to kill that exact pony.

          • forensic says:

            That’s certainly possible, and I agree that the injuries are a huge problem for him as such a one-dimensional player. So much for him is going to depend on what he looks like for the last 2 or so months of the season.

            Of course, that kind of begs the question. If he shows he’s diminished after the injuries, why is he even worth the Yankees paying him about $14 million next year? I know it’s only one year, but still…

            • OldYanksFan says:

              He needs a 3-ish WAR to be worth that. He might not make that, but he is probably better than we might be able to otherwise get. As far as Grandy goes, if he feels that he will have a good (2014 contract) year, playing for one year at $14m might get him a better contract in 2015 than he will get as a 2014 FA.

              He won’t be the first player to take that tact.

          • forensic says:

            I also had the little qualifier in there of being shocked if both things happened. Cutting Wells doesn’t seem to be the kind of thing that the Yankees would do before sometime around the middle of next season.

  31. stuart a says:

    still not a good lineup for next year dalek..

    i want ichiro to be gone also…

    3b will not be aroid either..he is going down hard especially after the braun thing today…nelson cruz will be sitting also.. texas gave up a ton for a 2 month rental..

    profar better learn to play the OF fast…

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Yeah, I’d like Ichiro gone too, but if I had a choice between him and Wells being gone? Wells every day.

      • stuart a says:

        no disagreement there. ichiro can steal a base and still is an excellent defender and hits 280.. welss is just awful.

        hope the soriano deal happens tommorrow, this lineup is horrible.

        hafner has regressed beyond belief…

        he has been awful for 2 months..

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          It amazes me that the Yankees can’t find a better lefty DH than Hafner. MLB seems to be rife with capable LH bats that are weak in the field. You’d think, therefore, that New York could upgrade over Hafner rather easily. Alas…

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Seems like they’re giving him much more the benefit of the doubt than any of us would.

            Ichiro over Wells for me as well. Refresh my memory, though, is Anaheim picking up all but 1 mil next year, or is the celery cap impact only 1 mil for other reasons? I’m confused.

        • OldYanksFan says:

          Actually, THREE months of a .170 BA and sub .600 OPS

      • ExitCashman says:

        There is no reason for this Ichiro hate. He’s done well this season, and would be an excellent contributor on a quality team. But he can’t help a crap team, as he showed with the Mariners.

        • jsbrendog says:

          an 87 wrc+ and 91 ops+ are kind of shitty. so you’re wrong.

          his defense has made him somewhat useful with 1.9 bwar and 1.3 fwar but offensively overall he has been bad.

          • OldYanksFan says:

            If he finishes with a 3 bWAR, that ain’t horrible. Believe it or not, Defense and Running ARE part of the game.

            • trr says:

              It’s just his advancing age (He’s a future HOF-er)and the advancing age of everyobody on this roster. This team is old, man, older than dirt

              • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                I prefer good talent over young players.

                Old doesn’t equal bad. It certainly increases injury risk, but having older players is not necessarily a path to a bad team.

  32. EndlessJose says:

    I like the move. It gives them a guy who might not be a great hitter but a guy who can hit homers in this ball park.I really hope maybe we can add another prospect or two for Baez or Soler.They have a few infielders withy major talent.

  33. Dan says:

    So long as it’s really just a mid-level prospect I really like this move. The yanks biggest problem has been hitting lefties, Soriano has an 840 OPS against them. Once Granderson and Jeter come back they’ll have close to a league average lineup and should be able to compete for a wild card spot for the rest of the season.

    I don’t mind that its not really a position of need. Hafner and Wells have been garbage. And Sori makes it so they’re expendable.

    This also signals that they’re buyers. If they can get a RH corner infielder they could actually be set on offense. Hopefully they can get Chase Headly who’s a switch hitter.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      The Padres seem to want a franchise player-type return for Headley, even though his OPS is in the .600s, so acquiring him seems really unlikely.

      • forensic says:

        Personally, I don’t understand the obsession that so many people have with him. He’s a fine player, but people act like he’s a franchise player almost on the level of a Miguel Cabrera.

        He was awesome last year, and the year before he was really good (though it was injury shortened). Other than that though, he’s been barely above average.

        Again, he’s a fine player, and getting him out of Petco would help a bit, but I just think the obsession with him is out of hand.

  34. wilcymoore27 says:

    Why would they be buyers? This is not a post-season team.

    Having said that, I have no problem picking up Soriano depending on who that mid-level prospect is.
    Even in a lost season, it would be nice to have a little offense. Sori is definitely an upgrade over every other RH hitter they have.

    • Poconos Adam says:

      “Not a post-season team” — Could not agree more….and what, if they sneak in….they get embarrassed by someone and all we hear about is how this team with a $228 million payroll sux.

      I guess it is really about what you value: if you value saying “hey, we made the playoffs 18 out of the last 19 years” then root for them to get Sori and buy more.

      If you value the emergence of a team that can really compete and be enjoyable to watch and root for….IMHO, then sell (if anyone wants our rusted parts) and build for the future.

      It has really been the perfect storm this year: injuries, $189 plan, ARod saga, empty seats, bad TV ratings……farm talent not ready to help……I know the future is better, but man, what a year.

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        The 2013 Yankees are not a worse team than the 2006 Cardinals.

        Getting into the postseason as a the second WC is not much worse than having home field advantage through the playoffs. It’s just a matter of getting hot at the right time.

        • Poconos Adam says:

          I’ll go 50-50 on that with you. The 2006 Cardinals pitching staff REALLY struggled. However, their offense was WAY better than the Yanks….sure, these are extrapolations for the last 3rd of the year….

          Scored 781 runs, Allowed 762 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 82-79

          Scored 387 runs, Allowed 392 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 49-50
          On pace for: 633 scored, 641 allowed. So pyth is probably a push.

          • Cool Lester Smooth says:

            And the Yankees offense from the first half isn’t going to be the same as that of the second half. They’re apparently adding Sori, and at least one person has to come back healthy, right?

  35. FIPster Doofus says:

    I’m all for this. The Cubs are eating most of the money, the Yankees are giving up a middling prospect for an OF with some life in his bat. What’s not to like?

  36. John says:

    I’d welcome this if for no other reason than I really never got to say goodbye to Alfonso, who also should have been 2001 WS MVP…

  37. jtiddah says:

    Who do we consider mid-level prospects?

  38. mike_lf says:

    Yankee Stadium – Where Everyday is Old Timer’s Day!

    • Manny's BanWagon says:


      Opening day next year could have 4 guys over 38 in the starting lineup in Arod, Jeter, Soriano and Ichiro plus 34 year old Teix and 35 year old Vermin Wells let alone whatever geriatric player catches Cashman”s eye in free agency.

      • OldYanksFan says:

        What makes you think AROD won’t serve AT LEAST a 100 game suspension…. also freeing up at least $16m for his replacement?

        • LK says:

          Well, Braun just got 65 games, so I don’t think “at least” 100 is guaranteed.

          Also, who are you spending that $16M on for 3B? Remember what $13M got as an A-Rod replacement last offseason?

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

            It’s not necessarily $16M to replace him directly. An upgrade somewhere else can compensate for a downgrade at 3B.

    • dc1874 says:

      BEST LINE OF THE DAY!!!!!!

    • LarryM Fl says:

      Yes I agree. We are paying for the 18 years of some gloriously great baseball. I would be happy if the Arod era was passed us.

  39. The Real Greg says:

    As has been said, it really depends on who the Yankees gave up in return.

    And with the Phillies surging, the Cubs are the only real trading partner out there.

  40. LarryM Fl says:

    With this season just about a wash out. The Yankees have decided to make an attempt at respectability. With them acquiring Wells and Soriano their contracts are structured for the Yanks to pay a small amount of their total contracts. This should not hurt against the 189 budget. Soriano and Wells can than be DFA in 2014. The mid level prospect is of no consequence because the Yankees have few guys ready to step up to the Bronx.

    My real concern is Cano. Will he want to come back to the Yankees. This 2014 team is not setting up well in the competitive department. How much will the Yankees overpay for his services in years and dollars. It could be time to sell Robbie Cano with no real chance of achieving a winning roster with all the holes. Arod’s pending suspension gives the Yankees some breathing room with salaries but I do not see the talent growing on trees and the farm system is mediocre at best.

    If Cashman is good at his job. We will see real soon in the next few months.

  41. Chris Z says:

    I wonder if Cashman did this knowing A-Rod will be suspended and tried to prempt any market inflation they would see in trying to get a right handed bat.

  42. Jake says:

    Get your sliders to the outside corner ready AL pitchers! He’s back!!!

  43. Pseudoyanks says:

    I should have stayed in bed.

  44. your mom says:

    He’s got a paltry .286 OBP. But hey, at least he may run into one every so often. This move definitely makes us a contender.

    Can’t wait to see everyone’s reaction when they find out we’re giving up someone like Ramon Flores, Angelo Gumbs or Bryan Mitchell.

  45. your mom says:

    And who thought we’d be sellers??????

  46. your mom says:

    We should go after Kendrys Morales to take Hafner’s spot.

  47. JerryJRC says:

    Axisa is right, Soriano fills a needs.

    An older, declining skills OFer.

    Wells, Ichiro, Soriano…oh my!

    So much for the farm system.

    • John C says:

      A RH bat that wee desperately need!. Or would you rather see Hafner up there against lefties and either strikeout or hit into a DP like l;ast night. Some of you people are unbeleivable with your whining!

  48. ExitCashman says:

    Hebrew Home for the Aged at Riverdale just re-upped for another year as a top radio sponsor! Keep those trades coming!

  49. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Meh. Certainly fills a need, and it is Alfonso F’ing Soriano back in pinstripes, but its not a move that, in isolation, makes me jump up and down. It’s another vet to add to the mix who seems to have a bit more in the tank than the last batch.

    Curious to see where they go next.

    • ExitCashman says:

      Try reading the Soriano trade story with a cattle prod positioned in your rectum. I bet you’ll jump up and down, and can tell the board about it, since that’s what you do with every waking action or thought anyway. Got to be creative, fish f’er.

    • Pseudoyanks says:

      I’m meh on this deal too as long as the prospect is nothing to cry over. I actually wanted Sori in February prior to Wells acquisition if the Cubs would pay the bulk of the dollars and the Yanks could get him for a mid-level prospect (but since I was willing to give JR Murphy at the time, I’m glad all of my wishes weren’t granted.)

      Where I am pissed is what this signals and now I don’t see the Yanks using available chips to effectively build for the future, unless they lose their next 10 games or so.

  50. Bob Buttons says:

    Newest market inefficiency: guys who end their name in vowels.


  51. JLC 776 says:

    Well… I teared up a little when Soriano left the team – I mean, I really, really loved that guy. He almost hit the World Series clinching run in 2001 before – well, you know. Sure, he stunk in 2003, but so did the whole team.

    Anyway, nostalgia move is fine with me and he does address an immediate need of the team.

    This move makes me far more curious about the direction the FO will go over the next couple of weeks.

  52. Grover says:

    Where is it written in stone that a team can’t be buyers and sellers at the trade deadline? I think Soriano has the potential to be a excellent low cost power bat addition with the bonus of a likely small salary against the payroll in 2014.

    • Pseudoyanks says:

      Yeah, you make a good point. Maybe the “signal” isn’t that at all, just will have to wait and see how it plays out, I guess.

  53. Bob Buttons says:

    (Barely) Bold prediction: If Yanks lose tonight RAB will turn into a battleground with people ripping into each other like gladiators.

  54. greg says:

    Sori doesn’t fit. Too young. Only 37.

  55. The Real Greg says:

    In the words of Peter Sellars…

    Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here…This is the War Room!

  56. Oy says:

    I’d wait until the prospect is announced. Soriano is pretty much poor man’s Rios, which is fine. Plus, nostalgia factor is strong. I’d love to see him hit number 400 at the stadium this year.

  57. Scully says:

    They’ll build some sort of fan package around Soriano chasing his 100th home run as a Yankee (he needs two) and his 400th overall home run (he needs 11).

    I’m not totally against this move depending on what we give back, but this team does appear to be directionless at the moment. I don’t think the 189 million dollar payroll plan will survive though.

  58. Frank says:

    Won’t matter. Yanks just trying to save face with fans. Too many holes to fill. A 37 year old, below average defensive player who, despite having a good offensive year, won’t help much. Perhaps he can replace Hafner at DH. The Yanks should be looking to sell, not add. Starting with Cano.

    • handtius says:

      if you check the defensive stats, he’s actually a positive on defense and a good offensive year is exactly what this team needs, a place holder. Nothing locked up long term. There will be almost no salary on him next year, so if he bombs, they can cut him.

  59. Darren says:

    I don’t understand how y’all can not like this trade.

    It improves our chances of actually grabbing a wild card spot this year. I would argue it’s a pretty big improvement over Wells/Hafner/Zoilo, considering we will now have someone other than Cano who can hit a homerun.

    Are you really that concerned about losing a mid-level prospect? C’mon.

    The money is not an issue and doesn’t affect us for next year. We don’t have any prospects that Soriano will be blocking, so that’s not an issue. If Cashman sees the ability to get a big outfield bat next year, it will be relatively easy to get rid of Wells or Ichiro, so that’s not an issue..

    Plus Soriano is exciting and it will be nice to have him back.

    There’s no downside.

    Yes, we have a lot of holes but did you really expect a massive Gonzalez/Crawford type of trade to fill all of them?

    Don’t lump this in with the Chris Nelson/Luis Cruz pick-ups. This is totally different.

    One move at a time. Let’s hope we get Jeter, Alex and Grandy back within a month and we can start clawing. Maybe Pineda soon too.

    Let’s hope CC can pick it up a little bit.

    Andy’s last start was almost encouraging.

    This year is not over yet.

    • ChrisS says:

      This is delusional.

      Granderson may not be back.

      Jeter may not be back and if he does come back, he looked so peglegged running that I can’t imagine them putting him at SS for more then a handful of token appearances.

      ARod is done. Through 2014 minimum. He’s Bud’s #1 prime scalp and Braun just rolled over for a 65 game suspension after impugning anyone and their uncle. Selig is going to boil his ass in molasses.

      Hope and almost don’t make a playoff contender.

      Frankly, I don’t trust the Yankees to develop their prospects, but the more they have, the better chance they have at running into a good one (which is all Soriano is good for at this point).

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        Yup. The year’s over. Might as well turn off the ol’ tv for good. And you should probably stop coming to RAB, seeing as the team sucks and there’s no hope.

      • Pat D says:

        Are you Brian S’ brother? Your opinions are remarkably similar.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:


    • handtius says:

      I’m in on the positiveness of this comment. reminds me of the good old positive posse from 09 on here. And to clarify, I agree with you completely. I’ll be happy to see Sori back in pinstripes. Don’t worry, you’re not delusional. (that dude is rude)

  60. Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

    Honestly, and I don’t know why, I expected more people to share your opinion. Instead of to jump off of the nearest bridge.

    Completely agree with you. I mean there is a downside, he could get hurt, the prospect could have brought back someone else, etc. But it’s not something anyone should be bitching and moaning this badly over.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      Reply to darren^

      • Darren says:

        All I know is that giving up on this year is a dangerous path. I don’t think it’s so easy so just sell some spare parts, gather prospects and reload for next year. And if it’s a close call, all things being pretty much equal, I would like to at least TRY not to go into rebuilding mode while Mariano, Jeter and Pettitte are still in uniform.

  61. CashmanNinja says:

    I’m waiting to see which prospect is going to be shipped away. If it’s someone who can be considered a throw in (aka – wouldn’t have a future here anyway) then it’s a steal. Soriano does strike out a lot, but he’s also got some pop left, plus he can actually play alright defense (good, but not great). Oh, and he can still run a little. Compare that to someone like Hafner. Yeah…I’ll take Soriano over him as a DH *ANY DAY*.

  62. Favrest says:

    While this might not be a slam dunk, I would certainly put it right there with the Abreu acquisition.
    You’re getting a very good player having a good season.

    If he costs a B level prospect, and a we aren’t picking up his contract, then I’m okay with the move on every level. Guy had 51 RBIs with some really awful hitters in front of him, and no one behind him. I expect, he’ll perform here as well. Being that it’s kinda the same the story with our line up.

  63. your mom says:

    Mason Williams.

  64. jsbrendog says:

    i heard it was slade heathcott for soriano


  65. The Tenth Inning Stretch says:

    Sherman tweeted that the Cubs scouted Chase Whitley over the weekend.

  66. kenthadley says:

    Sherman says it could be Chase Whitley.

  67. Vern Sneaker says:

    Have to wait to learn who the “prospect” is. Ridiculous to trade anybody with good potential for Soriano, IMO. We’re going NOWHERE this year — when is the wild card dreaming going to end? — and should be sellers. I don’t care if we finish 4th or last in the division.

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      The Wild Card dreaming is going to end when they’re 8 games out of the race and haven’t added any bats, not when they’re 4 games out and finally added a thumper.

  68. Duh Injuries says:

    The Yanks could have an all-homegrown 2014 starting nine and bench like this:

    C – Cervelli (Stewart let go)
    1B – Adams (Teixiera traded)
    2B – Cano
    3B – Eric Jagielo (Youkilis let go, Rodriguez gone somehow some way)
    SS – Nunez (Jeter on the bench)
    LF – Almonte (Wells traded)
    CF – Gardner (Granderson let go)
    RF – Melky Cabrera (reacquired from Toronto, Suzuki traded)
    DH – Soriano (Hafner let go)


    J.R. Murphy (backup C, Romine is the everyday AAA catcher)
    Mustelier (backup 1B/3B, Overbay let go)
    Jeter (backup 2B/SS, Nix, Lillibridge, and Cruz let go)
    Mesa (backup outfielder)

    • Vern Sneaker says:

      A home-grown last place team, nice!

    • CashmanNinja says:

      Can’t tell if serious or sarcasm (which isn’t unusual on this site, sadly).

    • Oy says:

      Don’t forget about Nix for Austin Jackson! He’ll be an excellent bench piece. I also created the home grown rotation for 2014:

      1: Jose Contreras- signed as free agent
      2: Joba- extended for 5 years, 80 mill.
      3: Zach McAllister- CC and Teix were traded for him
      4: Ian Kennedy- Hafner was traded for him
      5: Venditte/Culver

      • JLC 776 says:

        I don’t care how badly he would get shelled, I need to see Venditte make the roster just to do his switch-pitching thing.

  69. Carl says:

    If we can get Alfonso Soriano for cheap then what are you complaining about. Think about it this way if you bat Soriano fourth let’s say think about how much better Cano would be with protection in the lineup. Maybe other players play better. I still have my Soriano jersey welcome back Sori!

    • JLC 776 says:

      People are just angry because they want to see the team completely dissolve and fall into last place for 3+ years – and then they can say they were right and Cashman was wrong.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        Sad but unfortunately true.

        Although I guarantee you not everyone posting in this thread is a Yankee fan.

      • Future ACE MannyGeee says:

        Its basically they want to say Cashman failed for buying the wrong lottery tickets when Cashman didn’t want to play the lottery in the first place.

    • Mister D says:

      My concern is this indicates the team is buying, not selling, but it is buying poorly. This sort of deal is what has made this team, and it won’t be what fixes it. I really just don’t see them making the moves to win this year, and I don’t know how they put themselves in a position to win the next 2-3 years down the road (unless they give up on Plan 189). Selling now would likely cost them little this year, and put them in a better position to win in the near future.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        This isn’t a move to put them in position to win 2-3 years down the road. If we’re giving up a B- prospect, it’s unlikely that prospect was going to help us win 2-3 years down the road either.

        It’s a win now move that costs us little in the long term, because there aren’t a lot of other options out there right now.

        There’s little doubt Soriano is an upgrade over what the Yankees have been running out there all year. It’s a step in the right direction if you’re talking about winning this year. It’s obviously not enough on its own, but I doubt there was a move to be made that was.

        • Mister D says:

          I know this isn’t helping them to win in the future – that was my point. This pretends to be a win-now move but it doesn’t move the needle near enough to actually be one. We’re still looking at a team that is poised to miss the playoffs and get even worse in upcoming seasons. This fixes none of that. I’d rather take the hit this year and set ourselves up to be better down the road.

  70. mike says:

    who cares about a “mid level prospect” – the Yanks have an inability to develop even high-end prospects, so trading one just saves us from the inevitable injury or falling performance we have all come to expect from this fabulous system since Cashman has been in total charge.

  71. Winter says:

    Literally every day I read RAB commenters saying how much te team needs righty hitters and power. This move provides both of those. I think it’s an excellent trade. You’re not gonna get all-stars at the deadline, your gonna get players like Soriano. Recall that this team has gone 22 innings without an XBH; any power is a much needed improvement. And the fact that it comes from a righty is a big plus. I wouldn’t be surprised if Soriano slots into the cleanup spot right away, especially against lefties.

    • A lot of RAB commenters won’t accept anything but “SELL”, which is the mantra from the Cubs, not the Yankees. I expect we still have more coming.

      Brian Cashman’s trying as hard as he can in a market that

  72. Rick says:

    Soriano for Chase Whitley? Yes, please.

  73. tonymo says:

    Why wouldn’t they. He is a perfect fit fot the Cashman profile:
    “The 37-year-old Soriano’s best years — some of which were spent with the Yankees from 1999 to 2003 — are behind him”

    He’s over 35 with his “future” behind him! Cashman does it again. Meanwhile the $57 million Tampa Rays, again, as always, playing without A-Rod, Jeter, Teixeira, & Granderson, won for the 18th time in 20 games to pull within 1/2 game of the division lead.

    And Michael Kay thinks Girardi is a shoe in for manager of the year. Perhaps he meant in New York!

  74. Govin says:

    I didn’t read all of the comments, so I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but the Cubs scouted Chase Whitley.

  75. Roberta DC Yankee says:

    At this point, anyone, including A-Rod.

    At least Soriano is not in the Clemens/Mussina/Giambi/ARod/Randy Johnson/Texeira/Granderson/Sabbathia mold of You Beat Us Before So We Want You Now.

    Now get Swisher back and a catcher (assuming Cervelli is done for the season), get Jeter and Granderson healthy and bring up Pineda and maybe we have hope.

    Just maybe.

  76. Crime Dog says:

    I’m a fan of this move. Soriano becomes easily the teams best right handed hitter. No more 1-4 all lefties.

  77. Also, if we get A-Sor, either Vernon Wells needs to change from 12 or Soriano gets a new number, because 12 was Soriano’s original number with the Yankees.

  78. Cuso says:

    Hey! Did you know an anagram for Alfonso Soriano is:

    Safari Loon Soon?


    Aloof Rains Soon?

  79. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    After quickly reading some of these comments I don’t know why I’m going to try but here I go:

    1- The Farm system: The Yankees do have some young talent unfortunately it’s in the lower part of the minor league system and needs time to develop. This site use to preach patience I’m glad we all listened.

    2- The old guys: While waiting for the young talent, the right deal for young talent or for the key free agent to hit the market they are trying to stay completive with cost effective vets. Its work in the past, but obviously this year it hasn’t worked too well.

    After so many years of success people should of know that there was going to come a time when this organization would struggle until they could forge a younger bridge to the future.
    I’m glad to see how well Yankees fans are adjusting to this period especially since the Yankees are a last place team and are no where near a playoff spot.

    For those of you who lived through those wonderful times in the 80′s know why I LMAO at the people who have no idea how bad things could really be.

  80. Mandy Stankiewicz says:

    Man, we have a log jam of guys just like this for this/next year.

  81. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Its kind of ironic fellowing the events of the last 24 hours that they are trading for the player that they use to get A-Rod.

  82. Joe says:

    Of course no one better than Soriano is available. That’s going to be the case for the majority of years to come because the Yanks can’t develop position players. And then when guys do become available most of them are Reuben Sierra type hitters so it’s just addition of the same type of hitters the Yanks have already. Just because something is difficult to achieve doesn’t mean it should be dismissed. If everything was easy it would be defeat the purpose of ever trying to think to improve the team and just anyone would be able to make the same signings because it doesn’t require one to think and rather hope out of players as oppose to expect out of players. Cashman hopes out of players, rather than thinks and expects. Like he hoped out of Hafner and Wells, rather than expecting a sure thing. And if he did expect something out of Hafner and Wells then his head must have been in the clouds. If I was the gm I would make sure I would bring in the best scouts who look more deeply for the guys who are willing to accept something other than the homerun hitting the ball, but are GOOD hitters like Jean Segura. Cashman doesn’t look for those hitters ENOUGH and since he has a bad drafting history for the most part, I doubt they will become anything.

    Soriano is just a desperation move that Cashman is hoping out on. Forget Soriano bite the bullet and take the higher draft pick by risking out on missing the playoffs. Soriano is a has been. At this rate might as well bring back Rondell White, Jon Vander Wall, and Scott Brosius while you’re at it.

    • Chip says:

      Yes, because obviously this team needs more singles hitters. How long has it been since we hit a homer again?

      • BFDeal says:

        He just wants a reason to whine.

      • Joe says:

        Not singles hitter, but not power hitters either. Middle of the row power hitters that are CAPABLE often of something other than a homer. Jean Segura isn’t an example of just a singles hitter, he is on pace for around 20 homers. Yanks want guys who hit 30 – 40 homers all the time.

  83. Rob says:

    Why get older? They already have enough dinosaurs playing for the Yankees – why unload a prospect for a hack? Sure Soriano can hit, and I agree they need a good bat; but I certainly would not trade away any respectable prospect to land him – because it is clearly a cost saving move for the Cubs – who BTW are the worst organization in baseball – they have no talent, and keep no talent.

  84. Tim B says:

    Soriano used to play 2nd base before the yanks traded him. Theoretically they can move him to third an wpuld be an upgrade over Cruz & Nix. But is an upgrade in the outfield a well. Nix hasnt played that bad. He strikes out alot but he is getting two hits when majority of the team is getting one. Nix is a better option than Cruz to me. Soriano brings power that the yanks need. Wont need to rely on Cano as much. Wells’s has thrown how many people out at hone thi year? He is good defensively but is slow and isnt a very good hitter anymore. He won a gold glove. Ichiro has amd good plays as well. He’s fast etc. He can get more games off if they want to go that way. Gardner can also get a few games off for rest. But one of them should move to DH. Hafner cant hit and the very few hits he gets are homers or singles.

    • Poconos Adam says:

      Sori @ 3b? Yee-gods man….

      That isn’t happening.

      Anyone is better than Cruz offensively, but you can’t play a guy out of position — and Sori has never played 3b. I’m not sure he could handle 2b anymore…..and he was never a stud there.

      Word from Joel Sherman is that the Cubs are looking at Chase Whitley. That works…..I just don’t like the logjam of old OF/DH types that are piling up.

  85. johnz says:

    The Yanks get another player who had a great 2006 season…

    • Cool Lester Smooth says:

      And a great 2012 season.

      Of course, we wouldn’t want to let facts get in the way of your narrative, now would we?

  86. rose heller says:

    watching a Yankees game will be just like see an old timer’s day game. I just wish I knew what goes through the mind of the ass man. Soriano already has had his shot. I will never forget all the times he struck out in the playoffs. it was like he had two strikes on him before he even got into the batter’s box. thank you again assman,you keep making the yanks get older.

  87. Tyrone Sharpton says:

    If the mid-level prospect isn’t a guy like Bird or O’Brien,then hooray! This kinda reminds me of the Pudge trade in ’08 though

  88. Cool Lester Smooth says:

    Wow, there’s a lot of belly-aching here about getting a guy who was better than Jay Bruce last season for a pittance.

    • gargoyle says:

      It won’t be a pittance by the time Hoyer and Epstein are thru with Cashman.

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        Well, it’s a good thing you have so much information about the pieces in the trade.

        If you don’t mind me asking, will you check your crystal ball to see who Harper ends up signing with in 4 years?

      • Cool Lester Smooth says:

        Also, could you look into the past to find the last good trade Hoyer or Theo made?

  89. FLYER7 says:

    If Sori comes does Pronk get DFA’d finally?

  90. Ray Fuego says:

    I can bring out my old Soriano jersey! What more did people expect? He’s a bat, he’s much better than the crap on this team. It’s a good move especially if the cubbies pay most of his salary.

  91. Aims says:

    Fun fact: if this happens, the yankees will have all three notable vote getters for the 2001 rookie of the year award (soriano, ichiro, and C.C.).

  92. chris says:

    Soriano is better then gardner

  93. Zachariah says:

    Didn’t know where to post this…but apparently LAD signed a cuban MIF for like 30 mil and the expectation is that he will be playing 2B and taking them out of the running for Cano. That would hopefully help lower that asking price. I don’t know who else would give him 180+

  94. ropeadopee says:

    Can’t get here soon enough.

  95. John says:

    They never should have let Sori. go to begin with….he was great for the Yankees ! I hope this deal gets done. We need somebody who can hit.

  96. Tim says:

    Hell yes I want Soriano. Cano better be untouchable, I wouldn’t trade him for anything.

  97. vicki says:

    soriano, eh? cash couldn’t coax winfield out of retirement?

    • ropeadope says:

      It’s well past (Mr.) May. Now if you’re talking about next year, that’s a horse of a different color.

  98. dar says:

    He needed to mature..that’s why he was traded to begin with. I hope he has….

  99. dar says:

    Also I would add that Brian Cashman did well in the past, but, I am sure if the boss was alive he would have been replaced a few years back. If your a lifelong Yankee fan I’m sure you would agree.

    • son of stu says:

      If the boss were alive the yanks would also currently have Puig, Cespedes, and Darvish. Arod would have been found in a ditch somewhere outside Miami, and those empty seats behind home plate would be filled…

      • BFDeal says:

        If the boss was alive, you’d see these exact same type of trades. Stop revising history.

        • Cool Lester Smootht says:

          I disagree, since the Cubs are taking on some of the money and the Yanks are only giving up a B-level prospect.

          If the Boss was still alive, the Yanks would be taking all of the money and giving the Cubs Sanchez and DePaula.

  100. matt s says:

    not a horrible pick-up as long as the yanks dont give up too much(money or prospets), he would make them better now.

    But would rather see them sell instead of adding another aging player to the roster.

  101. CashmanSUX says:

    “Just what would you like Cashman to do?”

    I would have liked for him to be a competent GM and to have not led this franchise to the point where they had/have literally ZERO depth at the MLB level and a baron farm system above A-ball.

  102. Adam says:

    So, basically, Cashman wants the Cubs to pay most of the money left on Soriano’s contract while giving them nothing more than a mediocre at best prospect. Yeah, no wonder this asshole says there’s no trade market.

  103. EndlessJose says:

    The Yankees saved a lot of money on A-Rods and Teixeira contract and yet the Yankees are acting poor.

    The Yankees have overrated prospects, aging stars and now no money power. What do they think they going to do on the trade market?No one will help the Yankees.

  104. Roy Munson says:

    This team needs to be in sell mode. Trading for Alfoso Soriano screams desperation and hey look, we traded for a name you guys know. They are really acting likt the Knicks right now… choosing relevancy and headlines over long term betterment of the franchise

    They need to accept their off season abortion with accountability and blow the whole thing up.

  105. rose heller says:

    I just don’t think the other baseball general managers want to be bothered by the assman, they don’t want to do business with him.

  106. rose heller says:

    if you think granderson strikes out a lot, just wait until you see Soriano. he is a strike out machine.

  107. rosse heller says:

    hey bfdeal, who are you calling stupid? I have a genius i.q. can you even spell i.Q>

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