Jul
29

Monday Night Open Thread

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The Yankees are off this evening as they travel out to the West Coast, so it’s a good time to forget about baseball for a while and just relax a bit. If you can’t do that, you can watch the Mets and Marlins (Hefner vs. Turner on SNY) or the Angels and Rangers (Weaver vs. Garza on ESPN). You can talk about those games, Wednesday’s trade deadline, or pretty much anything else right here in the open thread. Enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread
  • trr

    I think it’s very possible we don’t make a move at the deadline, unless we dump Joba for a bag of balls

    • Pseudoyanks

      “Yankees have yet to receive an offer for Phil Hughes”…Code for the trade will be announced by Sunrise.

  • Andy

    I’m going to the game on Wednesday. I can’t wait to see what the Dodgers do for Mo, but ugh. Kershaw…

    • trr

      Enjoy, Andy!

  • http://RAb yankee76

    I was wondering if any one knew, that if A-rod is suspended,if the yankees would get paid back some of his salary via insurance.If so would they get this whole year and also relief for next year? if he ends up getting suspended for the rest of this year and next?

    • Laz

      If you are suspended for drug use you don’t get paid. No dealing with insurance.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      I think the only insurance money they’d get is for what he’s missed this season to date. As soon as he hits the active roster all bets are off…

  • Eddard

    I hope Hal realizes how much his move worked and tries even more. Push Cashman aside and get some deals done to try to win this season. This is Mo’s last season, one of Jeter’s last, the window is closing. Get another bat and see if we can pay someone $5 million to take Phil Hughes.

    • Darren

      I’m all for Hal making moves for Mo’s last season, but I don’t see how getting rid of Hughes helps in the short term, unless we get a major league hitter in return. I’d rather put Hughes in the pen and try and trade Joba for a back-up infielder, really, anybody that’s better than Nix. But even that’s probably asking too much.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah, trading Hughes would be more of the “retool” approach in which we’re buying in some places and selling in others. There’s no reason to give him up, though, no matter what dumbass reactions he gets from some of the readerbase here, if you’re not getting something beneficial in return. In that case, you keep him, as you can never have enough pitching, and continue to consider the QO unless the bottom falls out on him, which I doubt happens between now and October.

        • Darren

          Yeah, I get why it’s frustrating to see him give him a dinger EVERY GAME, but at this point, it almost doesn’t phase me. (Don’t phase me, bro.)
          But it’s weird to see people call him a spoiled baby. He’s never been anything but a stand up guy. I like his personality, I mean maybe he could benefit from a little more fire, but he’s nt like, an asshole or anything.

  • Dan

    Is there a more Alex Rodriguez-y move then if he turned down a deal with MLB, over the advice of his lawyers, only to be banned for life? I don’t think so.

    • Pseudoyanks

      Turning down the deal through a statement from his agent right before the final out of the 2013 World Series ??

    • Gonzo

      If I read this correctly, his lawyer just said he was not offered a deal.

  • Pat D

    ARod’s lawyer says they’ll fight any discipline.

    Good, I hope this process gets dragged out for months and MLB is forced to air all their dirty laundry, submit all their “evidence” and publicly reveal every dirty deal they made to get that “evidence.”

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

      And the players who dealt with these shady people to get illegal drugs that you and me would definitely be doing jail time if we had them are they free from all blame?

      I understand that MLB is FAR from being clean in this whole situation, but fuck how many times and in how many ways do the players have be told STOP TAKING RIODS THEY ARE ILLEGAL AND BASEBALL DOES NOT ALLOW THEM!!!!!!

      • Pat D

        You know, it’s not like cheating at sports is something worth getting that fired up over, really. On the list of things that matter, sports is way down the list.

        • Now Batting

          This comment just made my head explode.

          • Pat D

            I’m not accountable for this.

            • Now Batting

              Your comment is wrong on every level. The people that care are whoever is involved in MLB from the owners to the GMs to the coaches to the players to the fans. If you want to get into some existential conversation about what really matters in life take that elsewhere.

              The steroid era was and remains a major black eye and these assholes blatantly violated the rules. MLB is making an example out of them and they deserve to have the book thrown at them.

              • Pat D

                You’re contradicting yourself considering your comment about doing 2009 all over again even if ARod was using PEDs then, aren’t you?

                • Now Batting

                  Do I need to say this?

                  One is a flippant comment from a fan who will always remember the emotional joy of that year, and the other looks at the issue seriously and forward-looking from the point of view of MLB.

        • jim p

          Ask a ballplayer who doesn’t cheat with drugs, and who gets ultimately less money, or gets blocked from a starting role how they feel about that.

          • Pat D

            I’m not gonna feel sorry for someone making six figures.

            • Il Cugino

              Think about the starving person in a third world country next time you even think about complaining about yoyour life.

              #itsallrelative

            • Former ACE MannyGeee

              six figures to work six months. If he’s strapped for cash, tell him to go grab a job at Home Depot during the winter months, like my old Shop teacher used to do. Sorry, I don’t sympathize AT ALL.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          This.

          That is all.

        • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

          That’s like saying stealing from work isn’t a reason to get fired.

          Are you kidding me???

          I know you don’t like MLB and you can color them anyway you like, but at the end the day the players went against the rules of there employer and took a substance that’s not only not allow in the sport but was illegally received and taken by law.

          • Pat D

            Are you this indignant about NFL players who use PED’s, get four-game suspensions and are then back on the team like nothing happened?

            • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

              That’s the NFL they have their rules and MLB has their. The last time I checked NFL commissioner was real hard on rule breakers.

              • Pat D

                Not when it comes to PED’s, apparently. There are guys in the football HOF who did PED’s knowingly.

                And this year, Giants safety Will Hill will serve a second 4-game suspension. Why wasn’t his second suspension more severe?

                • Billy

                  Will Hill was suspended last year for Adderral. Which is a drug prescribed to people with ADHD; let’s not act as if he was suspended for an illicit drug or steroids. Unfortunately we don’t know what he tested positive for that necessitated second suspension.

                  Also, he had a prescription for Adderral but it doesn’t matter because it’s a banned “substance”

                • Deathstroke Heathcott

                  So maybe the indignation for steroids in football is too low, and not the other way around.

              • Bo Knows

                You also have to fail a drug test two times before suspension is even handed down in the NFL. First offense is a warning, second is suspension.

                Can you imagine if the MLB had that kind of rule?

        • Mr. Roth

          I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

          Sports are part of the entertainment industry but they’re held to such a different standard than the rest of the entertainment industry.

          Where’s the public outcry when an actor uses some cocaine or any other drugs to help themselves play a role better? Where are the people screaming they should be stripped of their academy awards for substance abuse? No one really give a shit about that, they just accept it and say, “It was a great movie, they really nailed that role!”

      • Darren

        The players might have listened a little harder if it wasn’t Bud Selig doing the talking. Can’t blame them if they thought he was full of shit.

        • Pat D

          Wow, we actually agree.

          • Darren

            Yeah man, sorry about that last night. I was pretty red-assed (as Sweet Lou might say).
            My apologies.

            To explain it a little more rationally….I get why you might think that Jeter playing another 5 years and getting 200 hits per year seems impossible.

            But, to say “That ain’t happening” bothers me because it reminds me of how everyone (Steve Goldman, Mike, plenty of posters, were SO sure he was washed up. And then he went and led the league in hits and plate appearances last year as a 38 year old shortstop. And when you add in his absolutely unbelievable ability to perform amazingly dramatic feats, I would just think he now deserves the benefit of almost any doubt.

            You wanna say that the odds aren’t great, fine. But to flat out dismiss the odds of him passing Pete Rose seems to ignore the hard evidence. And on a site like this, that’s a cardinal sin.

            • Pat D

              The problem is that it kind of ignores 2010 and the first half of 2011. He clearly looked like he was in decline there. I mean, the rest of this year will really help determine if he has a chance or not.

              I still just don’t see it, but naturally I’d love to see it happen.

              And thanks for the apology, I’m sorry for having been so territorial as well. I was in the middle of writing a paper (and now I’m in the middle of doing a take-home test), so my tension level was heightened.

              • Darren

                No worries at all. Good luck on the paper. I’m spending my night making mix tapes. :)

                Anyway, I guess after last year, I’m more than willing to assume that 2010 and first half of 2011 was a combination of fatigue, a down year (which most players, even great ones have at some point), the calf injury, and actually feeling some pressure about #3,000. All of that personal attention seemed to weigh on him.

                He needs 950 hits, right? I mean, would it be totally shocking if he had an average year this year (50 hits), and then raked for two more years (400 in total), had two average (for Jeter) years (300 total), one bad year (120 hits), and was 80 hits away before his final year? That doesn’t seem THAT insane for Derek Jeter. Everyone else, yeah, but after his career, and after last year, and after yesterday…..

                I’ll put $100 on it. :)

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      The only dirty laundry that’s gonna be revealed is Arod’s. He’s gonna be humiliated and once again exposed or the lying piece of shit that he is.

      • Pat D

        Of course his shit will be revealed, but we pretty much already know all of it. So will MLB’s.

        • Deathstroke Heathcott

          Do we know all of it? I have to think that a lot of the evidence could be about how hard he tried to cover his tracks after he realized how much deep shit he could be. I have no idea what extent he went to and how many people he paid off and stuff and that could really be the interesting part of what comes out.

  • CashmanNinja

    I hope that MLB was serious with their ultimatum for A-rod to either accept a suspension or earn a life-time ban. If the Yanks could somehow get out of his contract it would help this team *so* damn much.

  • Pat D

    Honest question to all those who wish to see ARod suspended:

    Are you willing to give up on this year in order to see ARod be punished? Since that’s the likely result.

    • Pseudoyanks

      Since I don’t see his return as enough to salvage this year, I’d say yes, removing the Albatross is my Number 1 priority.

    • Laz

      I think they more see the salary that would come off the books. Arod can still be really valuable, but if they can get rid of that overpaid contract they would be better off.

    • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

      Well from my understanding if he accepts the deal its this season and next. If he appeals he faces lifetime but still would be able to play this year right? I would rather the latter.

      • Former ACE MannyGeee

        This right here is my answer. Fight the suspension, play this season (if they ever let him, for shits sake!) and do the deed in the winter.

        • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

          Yep, and if we’re lucky and Alex does appeal and winds up losing, he faces a lifetime ban and (from what I gather) we’re off the hook for the rest of the contract. Its weird feeling “hopeful” for that, because for all he’s done wrong A-Rod’s still a ballplayer and a person, but there’s not a doubt in my mind that getting rid of that contract could help immensely, especially with Plan 189.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      My brutha, I have to disagree with you here. My hope is that they’re able to acquire some sort of upgrade before the deadline no matter, but I have zero clue what to expect from Alex at this point. At this point, I’m thrilled with the potential 1-5 this lineup will be sporting soon(and please bat Ichiro ninth). Pushing Overbay to six, that leaves two dead end spots, even if they don’t acquire something else.

      • Pat D

        What up, Superfly?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Get back to work.

      • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        THIS!!!!!

        “I have zero clue what to expect from Alex”

        Worth repeating.

        • SDB

          “I have zero clue what to expect from Alex”

          Other than drama. Always expect that.

        • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

          This A-Rod 2009 124AB .286-30-100 season changer.

          This A-Rod 2013 122AB .272-18-57 better then what they have now but I’m not making any playoff plans.

          The problem is no one knows what your going to get so its a bit offline to make a statement like this:

          “Are you willing to give up on this year in order to see ARod be punished? Since that’s the likely result.”

          • Pat D

            The reason I made that statement is because I believe ARod is an improvement over what they have, and they have no other option to improve the position. They’re not trading for a quality 3B.

            • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

              This but I don’t think that it’s a season defining type of improvement.

              • Pat D

                No, it’s likely not.

          • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

            My bad that was Games not AB
            2009 444 AB

            2012 463

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Punishment in an of itself? No way. The man did steroids. He’s not Sata, and we need him.

      Punish him to the extent that he’s just banned for life? Frankly, yes. Voiding that contract in the long term is more important than fighting for what is in all likelihood a lost cause anyway.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Yes. This team is going no where with or without Arod. IMO, it’s pretty far fetched to see him having any great impact. I’d be surprised if he’s worth even 1 WAR over the last 3rd of the season.

  • Carlos Danger

    Roid rage anybody?

    http://tinyurl.com/Roidrage34

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      How dare you make an accusation that the pride of Boston got his home run power and passion for the game on anything other than rice and beans…

      Thanks and regards,
      ESPN Management

      Also, obligatory #FieryLatinos

      • SDB

        Careful, now Ortiz will whine about racial discrimination again.

        (Or he’ll just swing a baseball bat at his computer screen.)

        • Carlos Danger

          He looks like a man possessed in the full video, I’m surprised his head didn’t spin. It woulda scared the crap outta my kids. NSFW!

  • EndlessMike

    Pat D:

    A-Rod is not the X factor on this team and hasn’t hit good in two years.What do you think he’s goanna do on two bad knees?

    • Carlos Danger

      Not Pat D clearly, but even an injured A-Rod, last year put up better numbers than any non-Cano or Gardner player on the 25 man TY. Even at 85-90% of his LY production he could improve this club, and not by a small margin compared to what they’ve been running our there at DH and 3B.

    • Pat D

      ARod has two bad knees? That’s news to me.

      My point is that ARod is the only type of improvement at third base they could expect to get this year and if they keep on running Adabrinix out there they don’t have much of a chance.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      They haven’t hit in two years? That is a stretch of the truth to fit the narrative if I’d ever heard one.

  • The Real Greg

    Noticed the Mariners designated Jason Bay, which is odd because he was hitting only .207 but he had 11 home runs.

    • forensic

      The amazing thing with him is that all 11 of his homers were solo shots.

      • Former ACE MannyGeee

        Have you seen that fucking lineup? Not odd at all…

        • forensic

          heh, that’s true, but still you’d think he’d run into one with someone on base.

          Is this where I shouldn’t admit to having two Mariners on my fantasy team? (actually, it’s three, but one isn’t active)

        • vicki

          no lie. their obp is as bad as the yanks’. yep, that bad.

          [mumbles] but their wrc+ is 13 points higher….

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Finally got to watch the Matsui ceremony from last night. Very well done by all. I have to say my eyes even got a little watery. Players like Hideki Matsui are why I’m a fan of the greatest franchise in sports.

    And, yes, Michael Kay almost did flub Jeter’s home run.

    • Carlos Danger

      Kay also called Ichiro Matsui during Ichis first AB. I found that funny.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I also *think* his sister was introduced as his brother. Did I hear that incorrectly?

        • Carlos Danger

          I heard they showed a video that rhymes with lukkake on the jumbo-tron prior to the game in memory of Matsui’s heroic blasts.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            To the tune of the 1812 Overture.

  • forensic

    Hate to break up the A-Rod lovefest here, but:

    Someone in my fantasy league actually dropped Miguel Montero, which is surprising mostly because it’s a keeper league. I’m right in thinking that I absolutely should try to grab him, right? He’s had a down year, but his OPS has improved every month of the season so he may be getting back into form, which is very valuable at his position.

    I have Napoli and Jason Castro, so I’m not desperate for catching (though Castro has tailed off since his hot streak when I grabbed him), but it seems like he’s the kind of guy I should drop a middle of the road reliever (or even Castro, but that’s tough) for.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      Funny, my league is not a keeper and I have almost hit the ‘complete’ button about 15 times this month on a drop Montero and pick up Castro move. I think they’re a wash personally, but depending on how many you get to keep next season, I might consider it.

      He obviously not in your top 3 to keep, but top 10? Maybe…

      • forensic

        Yeah, we have really big rosters (at least in my opinion) and there’s probably gonna be something like 12-15 keepers, so I could certainly use one of those spots for Montero (maybe Napoli too, but if his C eligibility disappears (I’m not sure how Yahoo does it) then his value really drops at just 1B).

    • SDB

      Personally I’d rather have Montero than Castro as my catcher in a keeper league. Definitely worth grabbing.

    • Oy

      Castro and Montero are just too similar. It’s matter of how much you buy into Castro’s BABIP staying at .320 and Montero improving next year. Castro is pretty much a platoon player, but Montero sucks agains LHP too. I wouldn’t waste a waiver unless you can trade Castro, which is a far shot since Montero is available and will be swallowed up by someone who needs a catcher.

      • forensic

        I think I have to take a shot at it. My waiver priority is middle of the pack anyway so if I use it it’s not the end of the world. As you said, I can certainly then see if I can trade one of the 3.

    • vicki

      the a-rod love fest comment following the lukkake reference did a weird thing in my head.

      also, this is another reason i can’t play fantasy: even if it was the right move i wouldn’t be able to pick up a douche like miguel montero.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    My wife bought this disgusting Dole watermelon “aqua fresca style” juice the other day that’s otherwise undrinkable. What to do? Let’s see how it goes with some vodka and basil syrup.

    • vicki

      basil syrup.

      you’re so park slope sometimes, and you know it.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Mentioning the basil syrup on here may have been the most outright troll thing I’ve ever done. I knew the reaction it’d get. :)

        Even made it myself.

        While I admit there’s a whole other level of “Park Slope” that I’m decidedly NOT, I’m not going to entirely deny your statement. Nothing wrong with it. I had my day, and I’m still fully capable of having a couple more if I so desire.

    • Dan in Athens

      Careful, I’ve been down that road before. Mix in some Sprite or Ginger Ale as well and whatever disaster becomes more palatable. Also, shoot it. No cocktail.

    • Betty Lizard

      I’d rather drink hamster urine.

      Which is pretty much what diet Pepsi, which I do drink, is.

  • Joe R

    According to ESPN during the Texas/LAA game, MLB is trying to suspend A-Rod under the labor agreement which would not allow him to play while appealing his suspension. Coincidence that Yankees keeping him out til August? Hmm..

    • Jarrod

      Ahh, see this makes sense – that way there is no “break” in the insurance payments by activating him.

    • steve (different one)

      If this is true, and the Yankees knew this, can you even blame them for keeping him out this week?

      Even putting aside the insurance money, is the circus really worth the upgrade if it’s only for 7 games? Probably not.

      • Joe R

        I dunno. I mean I agree it’s probably not worth it. At the same time it just seems real shady to do that in conjunction with MLB behind the players back. Regardless who it may be.

  • OldYanksFan

    MLB wants a 2013/2014 ban for ARod. The lifetime ban is the ‘threat’ if ARod doesn’t accept the 2013/2014 ‘settlement’.

    It was just reported that ARod’s lawyers insist they will appeal.
    My guess is ARod figures that not playing until 2015 will just about kill his career, and that a lifetime ban would be too much for the Union to stand.

    So even if he loses the appeal, the 2013/2014 suspension might be the max MLB can levy.

    So maybe ARod figures he has little to lose in appealing (moron!).
    But good news for us.
    We will probably have ARod for 2013, and he will almost certaining be gone in 2014.. and maybe 2015.

  • Now Batting

    If it comes out that A-rod was pumped with more roids in the 2009 playoffs than McDonald’s livestock I would gladly do it all over again.

    • Betty Lizard

      William Faulkner said he’d run over his own grandmother if it would help his writing. He said “Ode on a Grecian Urn is worth any number of old ladies.”

    • Dan in Athens

      Don’t see the Sox giving back their 2004 and 2007 trophies.

    • JLC 776

      No one can say definitively that others weren’t doing it. I say yours is a fair position.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Oh yeah. You’re not taking 2009 from this team.

      It’s not even about the roids for me. I actually think there’s all sorts of disgusting Biogenesis-involved stuff about to hit. I also just want the team to get however much of its goddamn money back as it can.

    • steve (different one)

      The way I see it, the Yankee have been knocked out the playoffs every year since 2009 by teams with players on the Biogenesis list.

      Plus yeah, Manny Ramirez.

  • Oy

    So, Arizona is reportedly shopping Kennedy and Kubel. I want no part of Kubel but Kennedy is intriguing. He was league average last year with FIP and ERA just above 4. He’s been an innings eater since 2010, pitching over 190 since that year. Most importantly, under control until 2016. Yankees will have three potential holes to fill in for their rotation next year.

    Arizona would want an upgrade in starting rotation and bullpen pieces. I think it’s possible to argue that Hughes may be an upgrade for Arizona for the next two months. Maybe Hughes, Joba and Betances? Along with a lottery ticket as PTBNL?

    • Dan in Athens

      Wishful thinking. I’d offer Hughes, Joba and pay the whole salaries on both for IPK, and offer to send Youkilis out there to give ever gay man in Phoenix a blow job. Then when they said no, I’d still send Youkilis out there and make him earn his 12 million the hard way.

      • Jarrod

        +1

    • Now Batting

      I would never give up that much. 2011 looks like the outlier.

    • steve (different one)

      The internet would officially break in half if the Yankees traded Joba and Hughes for Kennedy. Alanis Morrisette would go into a catatonic trance pondering the irony.

      I would do that trade, simply because Kennedy is better than the pick they *may* get for Hughes, but Kennedy really isn’t all that great and he is kindof a douche.

      • SDB

        It’s like raaaaaaaaiiiiiii—aaaaaaaiiiiiiiiin!

        Kennedy’s been OK from what I’ve seen of him in Arizona this season. Not great, don’t see him as an improvement over Hughes.

        Maybe I’m also grumpy because he killed my fantasy team’s ERA single handedly over three weeks.

        • Oy

          What is he doing on a fantasy team? Deep league?

          Hughes is most likely a better player for the rest of the year, but this is a move to ensure that the 2014 and 2015 rotation has a reliable back end arm.

          • SDB

            Yeah, deep league. And I was streaming, thinking those might be favorable matchups. (I was wrong.)

      • Oy

        A this point, I’m doubting that Yankees risk giving Hughes the qualifier. The 189 cap seems in effect, Yankees have shown that they don’t want Hughes around for 2014. Look at the Martin situation.

        Either way, if they do offer and he accepts, I would take Kennedy at $6/7 million over Hughes at $15 mill any day.

      • forensic

        The internet would officially break in half if the Yankees traded Joba and Hughes for Kennedy.

        Exactly what I was thinking.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Fuck Ian Kennedy.

          • Brian S.

            for Tim Reddings?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              And Darrell May.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              And Darrell May.

    • OldYanksFan

      Hughes’s numbers outside of YS are VERY similar to IPK’s… and that’s still pitching in a AL. If Phil is a Diamondback, you can bet he outpitches IPK.

      Hughes Away: 3.98 ERA, 1.232 WHIP, 2.57 K/BB , .681 OPS
      IPK in Arizona: 3.81 ERA, 1.227 WHIP, 2.91 K/BB

  • Jarrod

    Yo Mike, would it make any sense that the front office is stalling A-Rod’s return to ensure that he never hits the active roster prior to the pending suspension?

    By that I mean, does activating A-Rod officially cease any insurance payments and “reset the clock” from an insurance POV?

    • Dan in Athens

      As a former lawyer who has dealt on both sides of the issue, if A-Rod does not come back before say a suspension through 2014, and then cannot play in 2015, it is easier to claim it was a never recovered, chronic injury instead of bearing the burden of showing it was a reinjury of the same condition. In reality, there is no way with this much cash involved that the insurance company and the Yankees don’t get it done in a mediation. The posturing is about the mid-point.

      Neither side, or their lawyers, however, are stupid.

      • Dan in Athens

        BTW, all of them, especially the lawyers are assholes.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I could see all of this.

  • Wayne

    Cliff Lee is available and they are saying he is likely to get traded! Daily News just reported!

    • Oy

      Boston and Baltimore would be all over him.

      • Carlos Danger

        That scares the crap outta me. Yanks should trade Pineda, Campos, Slade and Romine for Lee and Ruiz maybe even throw in Phelps or Warren while we’re at it. Don’t let Lee go to a division rival!

        • Oy

          That will certainly not get it done. Campos and Slade have a high probability of never reaching the majors. Romine is a back up catcher at best. Amaro would want our best pieces.

          I’d love some Cliff Lee. But it’s just not meant to be.

          • Dan in Athens

            Young and Ruiz, pick up all the salary, and send low to mid grade prospects with “tools”. Risk, reward.

            • Oy

              If Yankees pick up the tab (hell, any team has to pick up the tab. Unless a better player is being traded for him),Lee would not be a contract dump by any means. He’s been one of the best pitcher in the game for the last 6 years and is a top 10 pitcher currently. He’s being payed market value, $25 mill for the next two or three years is very fair. Mid grade prospects would not cut it.

              Young would cost a mid grade prospect just by himself.

              I don’t get the Ruiz fascination on here. Dude has a 58 wRC+ since being clean. I’d rather have Romine and bring up Murphy in September.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                If they upgrade at third, I don’t care if we ride the rest of the way with Stewie and Romine.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Slade’s turned it around for over a month at AA. He’ll be in AAA next season, perhaps not at the start of the season, but at some point. How is that a low probability of reaching the majors? He’s beginning to get the job done (albeit with some warts) at the level you’re supposed to do it at.

            • Dan in Athens

              Not advocating trading Slade. Talking about low minors (A-, short season ball) type lottery tickets.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Other than Jagelio, who can’t be traded anyway, I’m fine with including any of those guys.

            • Oy

              Injuries and health. He’s one of my favorite prospects, but the injury history is scary. Even though he has been hitting of late, .258/.316/.399 is not good. I dunno about seeing him start in AAA next year, unless he mashes for the next month or mashes during spring training.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Overall numbers mean nothing to me there. Progression does. Lack of power and too many strikeouts are my concerns, but all I read here is about how that league sucks up power.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Nah nah nah.

          BEATING Cliff Lee with this ragtag lineup will be much sweeter than trading for him.

          #believe

          • Carlos Danger

            Reverse lock domination. Like how Moore was supposed to crush our dreams and hopes yesterday? I believe, I believe!

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Fuck Matt Moore. That was the second time this season all I heard here was how unbeatable he was…..then we beat him. People look at whatever hot streak a guy’s on too damn much sometimes.

              • Carlos Danger

                I loathe his smiling delivery.

        • forensic

          Personally, I just don’t get why people are still so hooked on getting Ruiz. I know he’s produced more in the past than anything Stewart/Romine could dream of, but he’s having a horrible year and has been on the DL every one of the last 5 years, mostly with lower body/head injuries, which is not a good thing for a 34 year old catcher.

          I want nothing to do with him.

          • Carlos Danger

            I mentioned him because if you give a catcher you’d get a catcher and he could split time with Stewart. With hopes Murphy’s ready in 2014. I hear your point, the Ruiz drum has been beat quite a bit.

            Or

            C’mon man, we all know Romine is too young for the Yankees blood, he pulls down the league leading highest average age. The Yanks wanna lead the league in something this year!

    • thundergoat

      yea, but it would likely be to the red sox though

    • Robinson Tilapia

      OMGZ THEYRE GOING TO TRADE DEPAULA AND RAMIREZ WAYNE IS A SOOTHSAYER

      • Oy

        …for Young.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          For Ibanez.

          OMGZ.

          • Oy

            Yes, the exact guy who will be asked to pinch hit for Nix at bottom of the 9th with two outs, during a Wild Card elimination against Tampa while down by one. Raul hits a homer, plays five innings of gold glove defense at 3B, until he hits a walk of inside the parker in the 14th.

            The ownership will offer the man the exact remaining sum of A-Rod’s contract, who in turn is the hitting coach for the Marlins for the next ten years as a punishment done by the MLB.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Suddenly, every Marlin breaks Bonds’s single season record.

              Oh, Tino. Can’t help but feel bad for him. Sounds like he just could not emotionally handle it.

  • Carlos Danger

    Concerning banning players without a failed drug test for use of banned substances. I’m trying to find a copy of the MLB drug policy that infers they can punish without a test. The closest I could come up with is the wiki page and its says, and I quote…

    “Under the policy, all players are prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing, or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse and/or Steroid. Any and all drugs or substances listed under Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act are considered drugs of abuse covered by the Program. Players who require prescription medication can still use it with a “Therapeutic Use Exemption” granted by the MLB.”

    If they have concrete proof he possessed or was responsible for distributing and I’m talking without a shadow of a doubt nugget of proof, I just don’t see it sticking. They scared Braun into a plea deal, who knows what would’ve happened if he fought it and that’s not a good comp IMO, since A-Rods camp has said they will fight this thing to the end.

    • steve (different one)

      Here is me talking out of my ass (for a change):

      I am guessing that MLB has hard evidence that A-Rod turned other players on to Biogenesis (Melky? Cervelli? Jesus?) and they are going to nail him to the wall for “facilitating the distribution of PEDs” and that is what is setting A-Rod apart from all the other guys who will just get slapped with 50 game first time bans.

      That is something that, to me, would explain what is going on.

      • Carlos Danger

        I agree with your sentiment, if MLB is as confident about this as they seemingly are, there very well could be some kind of distribution evidence. It’s the only thing that makes sense, IMO, concerning a lifetime ban for a player who has never tested positive on a drug test since this new drug policy passed.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Talking out of my ass……I think they’ve got more than that. It wouldn’t surprise me if Biogenesis and Alex Rodriguez were inseparable entities.

        • Carlos Danger

          Like he owned the building, paid the roll and had stacks on stacks on stacks invested in it. When you’ve made close to/over a half of billion dollars before age 40 (with endorsements and such), what the fuck else is he gonna spend it on? You can only have so many houses and divas. I’ve defended A-Rod time and time again but if THAT turns out to the case, he deserves to burn for his indiscretions.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Something along those lines, including a direct connection to this Collazo dude who was coaching at UM and at Gulliver Prep and was delivering high school kids to him. Yup.

            And THAT is the most irresponsible thing I’ve ever written on here. We’re just letting it all hang out tonight.

            • Tom

              Weren’t there also allegations of him trying to buy or destroy some of the evidence?

              While not really a legal thing (MLB isn’t a formal investigative body), that would seem to be something along the best interests of baseball clause line as it might not just impact his suspension but potentially other players as well.

              at this point I think I would be more surprised if baseball ONLY had evidence of him using repeatedly.

        • Hall and Nokes

          That’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

          But there are separate penalties in the JDA for selling offenses. I’m not sure how they plan to get around that.

  • forensic

    So, the Rays and Red Sox just had a 39 minute rain delay before the bottom of the 8th. After the delay, Maddon left David Price in. But, he left him in for just one batter, a righty in Jonny Gomes who hits lefties, and then took him out for a righty reliever.

    Seems very odd to me.

    • Carlos Danger

      Ladies and gentlmen…..Joe Maddon.

    • Tom

      Brian Kenney will figure out a way to call it a genius move tomorrow on MLB now.

      • Carlos Danger

        While Harold Reynolds bashes it profusely.

  • forensic

    Didn’t Nava have a terrible baserunning play or two in the last series against the Yankees? For some reason, I seem to remember that. He just had another one, which cost the Red Sox a chance to tie the game in the 8th (a bad call by the ump also helped, but still…).

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yup.

      • forensic

        I thought I remembered that. So at least he still sucks at that, even though he’s somehow become an above average hitter now.

        Where’s Kramerica and his memory when you need him? He’d probably remember the exact plays. :-)

        • forensic

          And as I say that, he appears right below here.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Look below.

        • Kramerica Industries

          You mean in the 1st inning of the Kuroda game where he stumbled rounding third base, and got thrown out at the plate?

          • forensic

            That sounds like it could be it. Thanks!

            • Brian S.

              He also was the guy that got thrown out by Stewart.

              • forensic

                Oh yeah, that’s the even better one. Terrible decision there.

              • Kramerica Industries

                Heh, when I first read that, I thought about the wild pitch/passed ball in the 4th inning, but I was certain that was Mike Carp who got thrown out at the plate.

                Then, I realized you meant that play, the one that was absolutely nuts.

                Yeah, Nava’s not shown himself too well on the basepaths in recent days.

  • Kramerica Industries

    I’m a little jealous, because these Red Sox/Rays games since 2008, overall, have always provided so much more pack for their punch than Yankees/Rays games in that time frame.

    And there may not be two plays more emblematic of these Sox/Rays games in that time than Nava not scoring from second on a double, and then getting thrown out at the plate when he was, well, safe.

  • Kramerica Industries

    By the way, Red Sox, that’s the way to get screwed big time by Jerry Meals.

    http://i1102.photobucket.com/a.....rewjob.png

    • SDB

      Ack, if that’s the Teixeira BP from Camden Yards, I’m not clicking. I’m grumpy enough as it is this evening, I don’t need to re-watch that spectacular fuckup.

      • Kramerica Industries

        Well, it’s a screenshot (from yours truly), not the video itself, but, yeah, I know I wasn’t alone in just being dumbstruck in complete “are you fucking kidding me” reactions to that call.

        I also could’ve so very easily posted a video/screenshot of Meals’ epic fuck-up with the Pirates and Braves in the 19 inning game in 2011.

        • SDB

          I might have kicked over a small table after seeing that.

          At least the Red Sox lost, so I’m much less grumpy (as long as I don’t look at my fantasy baseball team, after Weaver was robbed by a shitty closer.)

          Speaking of incompetent umpiring, I trust you saw Miggy being thrown out yesterday after 2 strikes?

          • Kramerica Industries

            Holy fuck, Texas won that game?

            That’s annoying. Angels were up 3-1 with 1st/3rd, 0 out in the 8th, didn’t score any runs, and then implode in the 9th. For fucks sake.

            • SDB

              Weaver’s been fantastic since the ASB, aside from that the team’s looked pitiful especially with Hamilton just hacking away at damn near everything.

              • forensic

                The Angels and Blue Jays performances this season have been so enjoyable. I can’t decide which one I’ve enjoyed more, but they’re both good for so many reasons.

                It’s even taken some of the sting away from the Yankees performance for most of the season.

                • SDB

                  I guess it just ain’t that easy to buy a championship…

          • Kramerica Industries

            And Miggy, yeah. Gotta love when umps make themselves bigger than the game.

            • Carlos Danger

              I just watched that, it looked like it was a strike (or close) but Miggy didn’t show up the ump, he was doing what 90% of veterans do when they don’t like the call. He was calm, and very un-papi like. That was a bad ejection, wow. If Miggy misses his second triple crown by an RBI or two this AB will haunt me.

  • Karl Krawfid

    Mo in 2008 was the best I seen him ever in terms of command.

    Go to 2:05 in that video.

  • Carlos Danger

    I tried to post a comment with a name that sounds like Red Felson and it got gobbled up by the RAB moderators. It doesn’t say “awaiting moderation” or anything, just…gone. I tried to repost then refresh and I got the “you’ve already said that” error message. Hmmm, something smells fishy here…

    • Kramerica Industries

      Well, umm, (as you probably know)

      http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nt-5840893

      I was perusing that thread on Saturday, by the way. That’s why a couple comments kinda/sorta got placed in the wrong comments section.

      • Carlos Danger

        Annnnnd that answers my question. Good god that was a heated exchange and yes, it has been more pleasant ’round these here parts since Feb 24th.

        • RetroRob

          Was that the end of TedN?

          • forensic

            Probably the end of The Real Ted.

            Fake Ted, on the other hand…

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Also seems to have gone quiet.

              • forensic

                I’m crushed…

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Seems like Red Felson died that day.

            I appreciated his take on the team, but Jesus F’ing Christ.

          • Carlos Danger

            I guess so, I haven’t seen anything from him since and the masses advocated banning him. He was a well spoken dick. I didn’t quite remember that exchange but it was juicy.

      • forensic

        Heh, I remember that exchange, among several others between him and Mike. He really lost his mind this past offseason.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Long live Red Felson.

    • forensic

      If you don’t mind me asking, what was your handle before Carlos Danger (assuming you had one)?

      • Carlos Danger

        A couple different ones, Mickey Scheister, Nice Scheister, Scheister of Doom, Badabling, Badabling King and my troll handle is The Troll Monger. Gonna ride out this Carlos Danger one for a while.

        • forensic

          Yeah, the Scheister’s are all the ones I remember.

          • Carlos Danger

            I thought I had others in early 2009, but I couldn’t remember em. A deceased buddy of mine used it (Mickey Scheister) as his nickname and it lives on via RAB, he didn’t even make it to 28 because of a freak four-wheeler accident. Gone but not forgotten.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              A screen name with an inspiring backstory. Good on you, man. Any little thing to remember those we love.

              I wish this screen name had a damn backstory.

              • Carlos Danger

                And I switched to a guy sending his Johnson to everyone. Jeez, I feel bad now.

              • Kramerica Industries

                This makes me wonder if I could say mine has backstory.

                Well, hmm, umm, it does kind of hearken my love of Seinfeld. And, well, if I can be a total narcissist, it is probably one of the most powerful s/n’s on the internet.

                • Carlos Danger

                  This is true, it’s solid like the dome in “Under the Dome.”

                • SDB

                  You should really talk about this on the set of the Merv Griffin Show.

        • Kramerica Industries

          Scheister? Yes!

          Was wondering where you have vanished to.

          • Carlos Danger

            I got internet embarrassed when I misspelled my own handle.

  • RetroRob

    Not a good day to be a former Red Sox player, as George Scott and Frank Castillo both died.

    • Darren

      Shit, Big George Scott died? I always liked seeing him play the field in that helmet. Definitely not a hated Red Sock. RIP.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Have to think suspensions will come on thursday or friday.

    MLB doesn’t want the suspensions to crowd out the normal trading deadline news cycles.

    • Carlos Danger

      I wish they’d do the damn thing already, today would’ve been great, a full 48 before the non-waiver trade deadline so teams would know what holes to potentially fill. This could really shake up the playoff race if all the reported names are handed a suspension. We could see the trade market explode if the suspensions come tomorrow.

  • Insider

    An insider has informed me a team has come foward and offered a deal for Phil Hughes.
    It breaks down like this….
    They would get hughes
    The yankees would get a bag of dirty balls, and some pine tar.
    Cashman really had to work hard to get the pine tar thrown in showing his prowess as a
    Top tier GM.
    Good deal all around.

    • Carlos Danger

      A later report said ownership stepped in and made the deal happen because Cash was holding out for a used rosin bag and a picture of Youk with a beard for the clubhouse.

      • Insider

        And a used jock strap…per Heyman.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Per Dierkes:

    “The asking price on Jeff Samardzija is “higher than the Sears Tower,” according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. The Cubs are essentially asking that teams let them take what they want from their farm systems. While the Diamondbacks have shown interest, several other teams have made offers as well.”

    In other news, Jeff Samardzija will probably remain a Chicago Cub.

    • Carlos Danger

      If the Braves could make an offer, I’m sure they would. They love gutting their farm if they feel they have a chance.

  • Johnny’s Kucking

    Dear Arod,
    I loved watching you play, never boo’ed you at the bronx, and never really gave a shit about the silly tabloid stories. I’m really looking forward to this scandal being over. Wether you’re in NY after your rehab assignment, or balls deep in some muscular tabloid poon in Miami–I’m just looking forward to more Bronx baseball, and less TMZ-stlye coverage of the Yankees. Here’s to a fast process of whatever is going to happen. Now, just give me something good to read about the Yankees.
    -J

    • vicki

      yay this.

  • forensic

    Watching a little Quick Pitch on MLBN and just now they said tonight the Pirates hit their first sacrifice fly to an OFer since May 27th! That’s insane.