Sunday Night Open Thread

Hot .GIF Action: Rafael DePaula
Twins clobber Yankees to end first half
Two All-Stars. Everyone else gets a short vacation. (Presswire)
Two All-Stars. Everyone else gets a short vacation. (Presswire)

Here is our open thread for this lovely (but hot and humid) evening, assuming you’re in the Tri-State Area. The ESPN Sunday Night Game features a historic rivalry as the Cardinals are visiting Wrigley Field and the Cubs (Wainwright vs. Wood), but that’s pretty much it for sports-related entertainment tonight. You’re on your own if that game does nothing for you. Talk about whatever you like here. Go bananas.

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Hot .GIF Action: Rafael DePaula
Twins clobber Yankees to end first half
  • hogsmog

    Anyone else think it’s weird that Kuroda didn’t get close to the all-star team this year?

    • Neil

      As long as every team has to have a representative there are going to be a lot of players left off.

  • trr

    A dreary, depressing loss today . Losing 2/3 to the Twins? You kidding?
    Does anybody here think we can win the series in Boston ?
    Am I upset?
    You bet.

  • SDB

    Please, can the Oakland A’s just get a run or two?

    I’ll be less grumpy about the baseball if the Yankees at least stay six games behind Boston.

    • The Real Greg

      Forget about the division. That discussion is over.

      • jjyank

        Don’t be such a Greg.

        • WhittakerWalt

          Come on, jj. Greg always gets to decide when discussions are over.

          • jjyank

            FALLACY

  • The Real Greg

    The main question is what should the Yankees do.

    They are still in playoff range but even if they trade for a bat, they might not win the WS, especially looking at today when runs weren’t a problem.

    Can the Yankees say to their fans, we’re going to start to rebuild this roster and trade people?

    Not Cano, persay, but Hughes, Joba, even Kuroda.

    • jjyank

      First of all, even the best team on paper “may not win the WS”. I’m not advocating a full rebuild, I never have, but if you’re going to actually rebuild the roster and trade people, you have to move Cano.

      Disclaimer: I am 100% against doing that.

      • MannyGeee

        The last ‘best team’ to win the World Series was the 09 Yanks. Since then (hell, even before then, all the way back to 2005 if I am not mistaken) its been the team that caught fire in September…

      • D$1184

        A full rebuild will never happen. With the Steinbrenner’s being able to afford star talent, if they attempted to do a full rebuild and cut everyone with talent and/or in line for a big pay day, there would be a big backlash from the fans. If the Yankees decide to punt on this season, the guy they should trade who could bring back 2 or 3 high prospects and not hurt the team in the long run/cause a massive backlash from the fans is Kuroda. Think about it: he’s one of the top pitcher’s in the league this particular year, could be a game/post season series outlook changer but he’s not going to pitch forever.

    • Snuke Swanky

      Yeah trade everyone but the guy who could actually bring back good players. Good idea.

    • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

      “Per se”

      Not to be nitpicky, but it’s just nice to know what that phrase actually looks like in print.

    • trr

      ….and stop calling me Percy!

  • Snuke Swanky

    Terrible, terrible game today that underscores a few points:

    1. Now is not the time to get under the luxtax threshold. The lack of high and even mid range impact talent in the upper minors(and majors) isn’t there to expect to compete in the next few years. Overpaying for some FAs in the offseason and taking on salary at the deadline has to be considered.

    2. The position players they’re throwing out there are so bad that it shouldn’t be that much of a challenge to upgrade the roster. Every single marginal offensive upgrade must be explored at the deadline, even if it means taking on salary.

    3. The last day before the ASB is the absolute worst time to judge the true ability of any team.

    • jjyank

      My thoughts:

      1. Yes, pretty much. The new CBA came out at a rather inopportune time for the Yankees. Sure, they could ignore it anyway, but the timing still sucks and we don’t know if this budget would even be in place without the new CBA.

      2. Of course. Any upgrade would be welcome.

      3. Agreed. Not necessarily in that it’s the single worst point in time to judge, but that any team can be better or worse than it has shown up to a given point, especially before the trade deadline.

      • Snuke Swanky

        Forget the CBA though. Is it really so terrible to pay the luxtax fines for the next few years until..

        a. Jeter retires

        b. They actually have competent replacements for these guys in the upper levels of the system

        • jjyank

          For us on a blog, who aren’t paying those taxes? Yeah, sure.

          Look, I don’t like the budget, but I do understand it. You can’t just “forget” the CBA when it appears that it is the driving reason behind the budget. It’s a big part of the reasoning.

          • Snuke Swanky

            Any other team and it’s a different story.

            Not only can they afford to pay those taxes, but this focus on the bottom line is short-sighted and has the potential to inflict serious damage on the most powerful sprts brand in the world.

            And it’s a disservice to Mo, Pettitte, Jeter and, I’ll get blasted for this but, ARod and CC as well, to do everything possible to win now.

            • jjyank

              I said I didn’t like it either. But you can’t discount the timing of the CBA. It sucks, but it’s a relevant reason behind the Yankee logic right now. It’s real easy for us to say “hey, sure, let’s pay a shit load of taxes!” when it’s not our money.

              As far as the “disservice” stuff…I get it. As a fan, I get the emotionality behind the logic. And a small part of me agrees. But they also can’t run a team based on that.

              • Snuke Swanky

                Disservice is the wrong word. The better way of putting this is: you have a certain group of players, core players, and you build around them accordingly. The yankees are now refusing to do that, choosing instead to decend into mediocrity.

                And, with the new CBA and the guys they currently have on the roster, attempting to meet those luxtax requirements looks as though its going to put this team into a state of mediocrity or worse for a very long time. Thus, it is a very short-sighted and brand-damaging strategy.

                The better way to go about this would have been to continue to spend for the next few years and break it down after.

                • jjyank

                  Right, the timing sucks. I’m not debating that. But the budget didn’t really come out of nowhere. I’m not absolving the front office of any blame, but I am re-directing some of it towards the new CBA.

                  Also, I personally don’t think they’ll be mediocre for a very long time. Maybe this year. Maybe next year. But anything past that is pure speculation. A lot can change in 2-3 years.

                  • Snuke Swanky

                    Fair point on the speculation. My main issue here is the horrible timing and the lack of and flat out poor planning.

                    Regardless of the profit sharing mechanisms and penalties in the CBA (which are absolutely egregious), I still don’t believe this is the right time to impose a budget.

                    • jjyank

                      I agree with you on that. The timing blows, and the plan was put into place too hastily. I won’t argue that. I think you and I are mostly on the same page here. I guess I just understand why there is a budget more than others seem to (not referring to you specifically).

                  • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

                    Except the new CBA doesn’t cost the Yankees any more money (assuming they continue to carry a payroll in their normal range). It just provides incentives for them to spend less.
                    A $225M luxury tax payroll in the last year of the old CBA would have resulted in a $18.8M luxury tax bill.
                    A $225M luxury tax payroll in 2014 would result in a luxury tax bill of $18M.
                    The new CBA doesn’t force the Yankees to do anything with regards to cutting MLB payroll. It just gives them an opportunity to potentially make big bucks if they don’t spend. (and they may give up much/all of those savings in lost revenue if they don’t spend anyways)

  • Rolling Doughnut

    1967 Yankee slashes .225/.296/.317/.613/86
    2013 .243/.307/.376/.684/86

    1967 AL .236 .303 .351 .654 93
    2013 .256 .321 .409 .729

    They are lucky they’re not in worse shape.

    • Snuke Swanky

      67: 96 ERA+
      13: 109 ERA+

      They’re lucky to have a great staff

      • Rolling Doughnut

        +1000

      • momomo

        yankees xFIP-: 80
        League average xFIP-: 98

        Even luckier to have a great bullpen. Best in the majors using this metric by itself. Obviously not all encompassing, but definitely very telling

        • momomo

          good reason to trade a reliever?

  • Pseudoyanks

    Sell Sell Sell.
    My position before sweeping the Twins and again now.

  • Ortiz is Juicing. Test him.

    Imagine 2014: Older ARod, Jeter, CC, Tex. No Mo. No Hughes. No Kuroda. No Pettitte. No Cano. No Granderson. Cervelli behind the plate. Ichiro and Wells under contract. How are these holes going to be filled, even IF they loosen the 189 mandatory cap? Anyone remember post 1965? Stump Merrill? Empty seats? Wayne Tolleson, Horace Clarke, Butch Wynegar? A bullet will eventually have to be bitten. AAA ain’t gonna bail this team out.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Proven fact: every player in baseball will be a year older next year.

      • Ortiz is Juicing. Test him.

        Yup. And old players will be closer to being old and bad next year than young players.

    • D$1184

      We may not have A-Rod and/or his contract next year. If baseball has as much dirt on him as his reverting to a plea bargain would seem to imply, he might either A) be banned from the game, B) be suspended for 150 games without pay, C) retire to avoid the embarrassment (already way too late) or D) some other option. Clearing A-Rod’s contract off the books would have a massive ripple effect. We really need to wait and see.

  • jjyank

    Okay, random question time.

    So my birthday is about a week and a half away. My parents are getting me a watch, since I’m a grown up now and I can’t wear hippy bracelets on my wrist like I did in college. Any suggestions? I’m looking for something reasonably priced (like, under $400 or so). I’ve found a few Seikos that look really nice, and a couple Bulovas as well. I like the silver metal band with the black facing look. Just curious if any of you guys have any suggestions on other manufactures to look into.

    • Neil

      Mr. Watch online has great deals. Brain Cashman must be doing what you’re doing looking for a watch instead of looking for a bat or two or three!

    • Pseudoyanks

      Think you may find a Tag in that price range.

      • Pseudoyanks

        Also don’t be hesitant to buy a previously owned premium watch bought from a retail jeweler as you can get a great price on a watch otherwise unaffordable.

        • jjyank

          True. I’m not opposed to pre-owned. I’m gonna go downtown (whenever I get a freakin’ day off) and try some one, see how they look and whatnot.

          • Pseudoyanks

            Pre-owned from a jeweler will have a warranty. And you can negotiate price.

            • jjyank

              I probably won’t go that route though. My dad owns a an employee recognition company, so he gets wholesale prices on watches, jewelry, plaques, etc. Since he’ll be the one buying it, I might as well go for a new one, right?

              • Pseudoyanks

                I got a $5,000 Breitling for a grand a few years ago (wearing it now) and its good as new. Its an option.

                • jjyank

                  Well, I’m not going to ask my parents to spend several grand on a watch for me. They did enough by spending ~$180,000 for me to go to college. This would definitely need to be in the 3-digit range, even with my father’s discount.

                  • Pseudoyanks

                    Oh yeah I was merely saying you can get a value … maybe a $1,500 watch for $300.

                    • jjyank

                      That would be pretty sweet :)

                      Guess I need to find out exactly what his discount is and go from there.

                  • Thurdonpaul

                    Wow….must be nice to be born into money/

                    • jjyank

                      I wasn’t. Upper-middle class, yes. I did have to pay for my final undergrad semester as well as my grad program. Don’t mistake me for a guy born with a silver spoon in his hand.

    • Frank

      Tissot is a very good watch. I’m sure you can find something in that price range especially if your dad can get it wholesale.

    • MannyGeee

      Hey dude, I LOOOVE my Skagen, it will come in well under the 400, and it’s a pretty distinct looking and lightweight watch. Not a Tissot or Tag by any means, but it’s a nice mid range option. Take a look…

      FWIW, I got a Bulova from my wife for graduation and couldn’t keep it running. Sent it back 3 times for repairs and eventually the band broke and I retired it.

  • Vern Sneaker

    The injuries to Tex and Granderson and the inability of Jeter and A-Rod to come back left a team already weakened by the downgrades at catcher and RF with only an outside playoff shot once the replacements showed their true value. Blockbuster trades? I’m not sure we have enough to give. I think we’re headed for a tricky and probably very gradual rebuilding process. A wild-card this year will require much more consistent starting pitching the rest of the way. I’m still hoping but it seems more doubtful with every week.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Extras in Oakland, Jed Lowry actually tried to bunt for a base hit with 2 outs.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Anybody watching the Sox-A’s game? Cespedes got thrown out trying to steal 3rd with one out. WTF.

    • SDB

      At least it ended well. As much as we moan and cringe about this team’s offensive incapabilities, they’re still 6 games behind the Red Sox. The gap behind the Rays is getting more concerning, but I really hope this week off can help the older players like Wells, Hafner and Overbay, let them come back a bit more refreshed and healthier, and that the second half of the season sees more offense with hopefully a fit Jeter, and Granderson returning in early Aug.

      • jjyank

        That’s my hope as well. Fingers crossed.

      • Snuke Swanky

        I’d buy that time off argument if Wells, Hafner, & Overbay had not sucked for the last five consecutive years

  • momomo

    Tough loss today, but it was still nice to see Girardi partake in his favorite pasttime; abusing CC’s arm.

    • SDB

      The abuse seemed to be coming from the fielders and the Twins’ hitters.

    • Crime Dog

      93 pitches doesn’t seem to be much of “abuse”, especially when CC has extra rest with the AS Break coming up.

  • nycsportzfan

    Ichiro’s having a solid season. I didn’t think he’d make my projected totals i had for him before the season began, but hes getting there. A nice season for the future HOF’er.

    If we had Derek and Grandy this entire season, i honestly believe we’d be at least in the WC spot right now.

  • Tom T

    I hope the Yankees’ front office have the balls to know when they’re beat and become sellers. It’ll be such a damn shame if they don’t trade Cano when they have the opportunity to restock the farm, which they never, ever will.

    • MannyGeee

      Yeah, because trading Cano is the silver bullet to all the problems this team is facing.

      There is literally NO scenario where the Yankees are better in the short term or mid term without Cano on the roster. None.

      • Shittyshittybangbang

        Ah sarcasm …., seriously though, why is trading Cano such a ridiculous notion ? As of right now, and this late in the season, he’s unsigned. And might be deemed unsignable. Look at the haul that The Rays got for Shields. Different because of the contract extension, but quite a haul. Cano going to free agency is liable to bring NOTHING ! Throw in Kuroda and you might walk away with 4 to 5 top tier minor leaguers. Wil Myers looks like a beast. Wouldn’t mind a couple of him. Will it happen ? Not a shot in hell !

  • Snuke Swanky

    Yeah Ichiro is really killin it out there

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....;sort=18,d

    • Snuke Swanky

      reply fail

  • The Other Matt

    Does anyone know which minor league affiliate Aaron Judge will report to and when ? Out of all the players we drafted he is the one which I’m most excited about, due to his sheer size and power potential and reading some reports on him from the Cape last summer. I live in Northern Jersey so I hope he would go to Staten Island so I could go see him, Jagielo, and O’Niell play.

    • Bo Knows

      Probably Staten Island to join Jaigelo

  • http://www.retire21.org first name only male – Retire 21

    Did anyone else read this? Oh to be a fly on the walls of the Yankee front office right now.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....57443.html

    • Snuke Swanky

      http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....eV2bIgYN3H

      here’s the original report

      • http://www.retire21.org first name only male – Retire 21

        Thank you!

        • trr

          Ah, the Drama of it all!
          People, while A-rod will be an upgrade over what we currently have (which isn’t saying much) the baggage, the drama, the bullshit will outweigh his mild onfield contributions.

  • Crime Dog

    Is there anyway the Yankees could get Matt Adams from St. Louis? I guess a trade could start with Hughes, as the Cards might want someone to eat some innings down the stretch that’s not a rookie.

    Idk, it doesn’t seem like a feasible trade idea but I guess it’s just a random thought.

  • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....anton.html

    Please Chase Headley. Would Hughes, Austin, Williams, Montgomery, and another throw in be enough? I know Hughes is a FA after the year but if the Padres could resign him, he would be great in that park.

  • MannyGeee

    Ok imma say it… Losing Jeter this time (even if its for the weekend series) took the wind out of the sails out of this team that was looking for some sort of jolt.

  • http://Riveraveblues.com Martin Malkin

    Isn’t it possible that the Yankee trainers, etc. are not too efficient, or maybe the rehab system is imperfect.