Sunday Night Open Thread

Yankees send David Adams down, will activate Jayson Nix
Glory Days: Jeter and Soriano lead Yankees to walk-off win on Matsui's day

Man what an awesome afternoon that was. The Hideki Matsui retirement ceremony was simple yet elegant, sorta like Matsui as a player. He was great and I’m very glad he was able to have a day like this with his family on the field. So, so great.

Here is your open thread for this fine evening. The ESPN Sunday Night Game is a good one, the Cardinals at the Braves (Miller vs. Medlen). Talk about that game or anything else right here. Have at it.

Yankees send David Adams down, will activate Jayson Nix
Glory Days: Jeter and Soriano lead Yankees to walk-off win on Matsui's day
  • trr

    How ‘ bout that bullpen today? 5 IP , only 1 hit

    • your mom

      How ’bout 2 HRs by the offense? Weak as shit, but hey, they count.

      And fuck Wil Myers and his bat flips. Should get beaned next time.

      • forensic

        But I’m sure Soriano’s bat flip and hop were fine though.

        • Carlos Danger

          On a ball that could’ve been caught. At least Myers’ was a no doubter.

        • Bob Buttons

          buuuut buuuut he’s a veteran and they earned the right!!!1111

        • jjyank

          I’m fine with both of them. I don’t mind a little showmanship at all. Actually, I think it’s fun.

          To quote Daniel Tosh on football, “I don’t care if he has a 5 minute tea party in the end zone! His job is to catch a ball. It’s not that serious.”

          • Pseudoyanks

            And to quote Peter Tosh on Yerba…Legalize It.

        • vicki

          special dispensation granted for first knock back in pinstripes.

          geez. can’t you vulcans enjoy a little homerism time-to-time?

          • Neil

            Watched Yuniel Escobar pause and take a couple of slow steps yesterday on his fly ball out to center that didn’t even come close to the warning track. There’s a lot of clowns playing the game. Only bothers me when it’s a Yankee and they could have got to another base if they weren’t stopping to stare.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m going to give you some well-intentioned crap here, trr. You said this team had no chance today. They thought otherwise.

  • your mom

    Matsui is Pedro’s daddy.

  • Eddard

    Hal’s guy, Soriano, came through with 4 hits and the GW RBI today.

    Cashman’s guy, Travis Ishikawa, played in two games and collected 0 hits before being released. 4/5th of Yankee fans don’t even know that he played for the Yankees.

    If I’m Hal, I’m taking over the reins for the trade deadline and dumping Cashman at the end of the season. He threw ownership under the bus and tried to wipe his hands clean of the Soriano move thinking that it would fail. Oops.

    • stuart a

      I am sure that is what he did..

      forget context for this supposed Soriano comment and ishikawa that had epic financial ramifications..

      eddard we know you are smarter then cashman we get it…

      you would have drafted pujols in round 3, matt moore in round 2, and signed puig and darvish.. man you are 1 smart dude…

      • vicki

        if the yankee organization is serious about improving broadcast ratings they’ll fire the entire booth and have stuart do pbp with eddard on color. i’d watch the hell outta that.

      • Bob Buttons

        Eddard vs stuart a?


        • Carlos Danger

          I’m taking bets, Eddard 3/1 and Stuart a 4/1, who wins?

          • Bob Buttons

            That depends if Eddard World activates before stuart strangles him with his Mets jersey.

          • jjyank

            stuart, by a long shot. He’s been a fiesty SOB lately.

            …and I approve. Never thought I’d say that.

            • vicki

              vox populi.

              the yanks sank to his estimation of them.

            • Robinson Tilapia


              Seriously, Stuart’s mostly been money lately.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                I…agree? And Eddard’s usually my second favorite (after Big Member, of course).

        • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)


    • lightSABR

      1) Isn’t it a little early to say that the Soriano move didn’t fail? He won us one game, after being useless for two.

      2) Cashman’s reason for not wanting Soriano is that he didn’t want to give up an arm. Remind me again what we gave up for Ishikawa? Oh, yeah. Nothing.

      3) Finally, do you really think it makes sense to compare the two transactions? Soriano’s making actual money, he’ll be on the team for a year and a half, and he’ll be playing every day. Ishikawa was picked up on the waiver wire to give Lyle Overbay a day off.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

      Aren’t you always complaining about A-Rod though? Remember, when A-Rod opted out Cashman told him to go fuck himself but Hal insisted on bringing him back.

  • Brendan S

    Great win today, might be the best one of the year to this point.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Easily my favorite win of the year. The nostalgic fanboy in me is going nuts watching Jeter and Sori high-giving at the end. Just seeing that top 4 in the lineup, knowing Curtis is coming back and that there’s a decent shot at a third-base reinforcement before the end of the month… may just today, but i feel his team could soar right now.

      Would love for the Alex news to happen tonight and just get it the hell over with.

      • forensic

        Jayson Nix doesn’t count as third-base reinforcement. :-)

  • dalelama

    Our down slide began the days gamers like Matsui and Damon left and we became reliant on a choke artist piece of shite like Aroid.

    • Bob Buttons

      I’m gonna have you sued for murder because I’m laughing to the point of choking.

    • jjyank

      Go ahead and look up Matsui’s and Damon’s numbers after they left.

      THAT’s how you get ants!!

      • vicki

        they were both better (matsui much) than league average in 2010.

        the better point i made last night. 2010 yankees had the best offense in the league. without them.

        • jjyank

          So? Gardner was better than Damon in 2010, and Marcus Thames was as good as Matsui in 2010, albeit in less games. Not much of a loss, and very little evidence to say it was a bad decision to let them walk.

          • vicki

            which is what i was saying. i just thought i made our argument better.

          • ExitCashman

            Marcus Thames? He has nothing to do with Matsui. Cashman brought on the epic Nick Johnson to replace him. You’re an idiot.

    • WhittakerWalt

      They both departed after the 2009 season. I forget, how did the 2009 season end?

  • your mom

    That Pujols contract looks better and better everyday. Not sure if worse than Arod’s though.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      only 8 years and $212 million left on the contract

    • Carlos Danger

      Too early to definitively tell but at least Alex won a WS a couple years in to his. We’ll see what happens with all this suspension stuff and Pujols injuries. A-Rod had an MVP and his contract gets smaller over the life of it and Alberts is backloaded. Both are awful and should show GMs to never offer 10 year deal to guys over 30.

    • forensic

      In the 2nd year of A-Rod’s contract, he missed the first month then came back and led his team to a WS Championship while putting up a 138 OPS+ and playing third base.

      In the 2nd year of Pujols’ contract, he’s had a crippling injury all season and now may be out for the rest of the year after playing less than 100 games, after basically being locked in as only DH on a team under .500, while putting up just a 116 OPS+.

      There’s a long way to go, but so far I think A-Rod’s contract is in MUCH better shape.

      • jjyank

        Yup. Right now, A-Rod’s might look worse (I mean right now in 2013, not when comparing year x of the contract). But I’m pretty confident that Pujols’ will be worse when all is said and done.

        Besides, flags fly forever. If Pujols gives his team a piggy back ride to the World Series at some point, that may change things. But as of right now, if I had to pick between the two…I take A-Rod, every day.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Yeah, A-Rod was A-Rod offensively in ’08 and ’09, then he was Scott Rolen (without the defense) in ’10 and ’11, and then last year he was as good offensively as Manny Machado (and better than Pujols is right now).

    • lightSABR

      Agreeing with everybody here: A-Rod was probably worth the money for the first couple years of the contract. Pujols sucked (compared to expectations) from the moment he arrived in L.A.

      To be more statistical about it, here are A-Rod’s wRC+ and WAR numbers for his current contract:

      2008: 152, 6.0
      2009: 142, 4.1
      2010: 125, 3.8
      2011: 125, 4.1
      2012: 114, 2.0
      2013: injured

      And here are Pujols’ for his current contract:

      2012: 132, 3.7
      2013: 111, 1.1 (if he produces at the current rate for the rest of the season)

      No question: Pujols’ contract will be much worse by the end.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Does Cashman still want to distance himself from the Soriano trade?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting)

      If Soriano is the starting LF next year, he likely will.

  • Slu

    Great win today and great day for Matsui-san.

    I know all about Hughes and his advanced stats, home road splits, etc. But I no longer care anymore. I can’t wait for him to be gone. It is so frustrating to watch.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    As a baseball fan, and someone who spent their teenage years in Miami, some of this new Biogenesis stuff about high school kids makes me want to vomit. The families, the shady coaches, the private schools…..just disgusting…..and not one bit surprising.

    I don’t do hyperbole often, but I don’t blame anyone who starts asking questions as to even what the hell was going on at Westminster Christian in the 90’s.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      can you post a link.


    • vicki

      come on. steroids were in every high school, then and now. that’s right. even kalamazoo central.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I know. I’ll share a personal story after input my boy to bed.

  • Cuso

    Where’s forensic? You love you some Nick Franklin.

    • forensic

      Very much so.


      (I’ll ignore the bit of a slump he had been in now too)

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    NY Post (Sherman) says “The strong indications are Major League Baseball will announce all the suspensions in the Biogenesis case this week.”

    • Bob Buttons

      There was a post earlier today about it, ya know.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Just get it over with and do it tonight. I’m done.

      • Hall and Nokes

        I think Dave O’Brien would do a Waldman if they announced Alex’s lifetime ban during the game tonight.

  • Old Kinderhook

    Lillibridge was positively Clete-Boyerish today. Does he have an older brother who can hit?

  • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

    Believe it or not, even after the flood of A-Rod related stories during the past week, I’m still not sure what happens if he is suspended. Help me out guys.

    Let’s say MLB gives him a ban until the beginning of 2015 (like we’ve all been hearing). If hypothetically he didn’t appeal it (again, all indications point to him appealing, but bear with me), then that means he is not paid for this year or next year and the Yankees save that money, correct?

    I’m assuming if (more like when) he appeals it he’ll still be on the field and therefore would have to get paid. But then what good would be delaying his return, like the Yanks have been accused of doing? This whole thing is just a mess and I can’t understand anything.

    • lightSABR

      Well… if the Yankees are trying to prevent him from returning this year, it’s probably to collect insurance money. But the dude really had a quad strain. I don’t see any evidence that they don’t want him to play.

      If A-Rod appeals, that’s great for the Yankees–he’s going to be useless after his return regardless of when his suspension starts, so we might as well get whatever value we can out of him now.

      • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

        Right, that makes sense re: insurance. And I know the quad strain happened and all. But then why did A-Rod feel the need to get a second opinion, and tell WFAN that he was ready to go? I guess A-Rod believed the Yanks were trying to drag the quad strain out?

  • hey now

    In 2017, the Angels will be paying Hamilton and Pujols a combined $58M.