Monday Night Open Thread


I don’t know about you, but I was still pretty pumped about last night’s game when I woke up this morning. That doesn’t happen very often. Writing a recap usually gets me over a game pretty quickly, but not after something like that. All the drama of Ryan Dempster vs. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees vs. Red Sox, Fenway Park … all of that made for a rather intense 4+ hours. It was awesome. I couldn’t decide whether to use the Dempster vs. A-Rod video or that GIF of Joe Girardi nearly punching home plate ump Brian O’Nora, so I went with both. Why not?

Anyway, the Yankees are off today, so here is an open thread for the night. MLB Network will air a game, but who you see depends on where you live. I suspect Tri-Staters will see the Rays and Orioles, a game with implications for the Yankees. The Steelers and Redskins are your Monday Night (Preseason) Football game on ESPN, and later on ESPN2 with air the Red Sox at the Giants. Talk about any of that stuff and more right here. Enjoy.

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Categories : Open Thread


  1. Eddard says:

    Dempster should be suspended at least 5 games. Girardi is the one that was right, now watch him get suspended. Still awaiting word on Eduardo Nuney. Don’t want to see Jayson Nix playing everyday again and Nuney was hitting .300 in August. We’ll be stuck with Nix until Jeter gets back.

  2. lightSABR says:

    Which is more embarrassing for Dempster–that the plunk cost the Sox the game, or that he couldn’t pull it off on the first try?

    I would just love to have that game be the one that costs them the division.

  3. vicki says:

    split screening rays/o’s (longo kicking it off) and the ryu/fernandez match-up in miami.

    if the dodgers want to hit the beach and the clubs this week, enjoy a little R&R, throw up an L, now is the time to do it. i want a sweep back in LA this weekend, though neither clayton nor greinkles going against the sox.

  4. radnom says:

    If the Vice President of Major League Baseball would be good enough to waive the confidentiality clause, I would love nothing more than to talk about Alex Rodriguez’ testing history, and various things. I would love nothing more.

    Did anyone else love seeing this shoved right back in this guys face this morning?

    Talking about the actual charges against Arod is the last thing his camp wants to do. Serves them right for justifying all the FUD being spread about vendettas, and other items totally unrelated to the upcomming arbitration hearing and then justifying the choice of topics by hiding behind the confidentiality agreement.

    Not surprised so many people on here have jumped on board with his defense strategy. Blame everyone else and start threatening with lawyers. It worked for Lance too…..for a while.

    • RetroRob says:

      I didn’t see it, only read it.

      Yet his response should have been that this is a clear example of how MLB is leaking information and using the media to embarass A-Rod. They are not interested in the truth. The very fact they delivered a legal document to a TV newsreporter and not directly to the lawyer strengthens that claim.

      I say this not because I believe A-Rod is innocent (I don’t believe that at all), but it does illustrate how MLB is using the media.

  5. dkidd says:

    after last night, i have a new level of respect for joe girardi

  6. VT Yankee Fan says:

    So, I heard Mike Tirico on the radio praising Dempster for hitting A-Rod. He said it was appropriate because A-Rod had tarnished everyone in baseball.

    I was pretty stunned. I mean someone on ESPN was saying workplace violence is OK if that person made you look bad? Really?

    • jjyank says:

      To quote Girardi, “He didn’t throw at Nelson Cruz.”

      Please. Hundreds of players have made MLB look bad regarding steroids.

      Fuck it. I’m on Team A-Rod now more than ever.

      • vicki says:

        also to quote girardi, “the media feeds into this too.”

      • radnom says:

        Nelson Cruz didn’t (allegedly) expose a backup catcher making the league minimum just to take the bad PR down off himself.

        Not justifying throwing at the guy, but come on don’t be obtuse there is a difference.

        Anyone who is on either “team” before all the facts come out is clearly biased. As we learned today, only one side wants to lay all the cards out on the tablem and its not Arod’s camp.

        • jjyank says:

          Doesn’t your last statement kind of nullify your first one? By your own admission, we don’t really know if A-Rod threw Cervelli under the bus.

          But A-Rod is pretty clearly taking the fall for a whole lot of people. Whether or not he deserves it will be reserved until actual evidence comes out, on that I agree. But you can’t deny that a whole lot of people have already declared him guilty beforehand. And for that, he seems more like a tragic figure to me. I hope he kills it as long as he’s on the field and sticks it to Selig as much as possible.

          • radnom says:

            Doesn’t your last statement kind of nullify your first one? By your own admission, we don’t really know if A-Rod threw Cervelli under the bus.

            My last statement was regarding today’s request by MLB to release all the records pertaining to the suspension and Arod’s lawyer’s denial. Pure, undisputed fact. Check the article that directly precedes this one.

            But A-Rod is pretty clearly taking the fall for a whole lot of people.

            Repeating this doesn’t make it true. Its only clear if you think 211 is unfair. Which can only be determined knowing the evidence against him, compared to that against the other suspended players.

            • radnom says:

              Oh sorry, I see what you mean about “nullifying” now. Like I said, I wasn’t justifying throwing at the guy. Only pointing out how silly it is to put on blinders and question why Arod is getting singled out compared to the other Biogenesis gang.

            • jjyank says:

              You said that anyone on either team before the facts come out is biased. Yet you imply that someone like Cruz is just fine. Before, ya know, facts.

              And yes, A-Rod is absolutely a scape goat. Don’t be so dense. Maybe he’s guilty. But he’s still a scape goat. Not the only one, but the biggest one.

              • radnom says:

                Yet you imply that someone like Cruz is just fine

                Yeah, no. Notice how one always need to shift the conversation to other players or Bud Selig when defending Arod. Is that you Tacopina?

            • MannyGeee says:

              211 games is extremely unfair. So was 60+ to Braun and 50 to everyone else. None of these guys failed a drug test (Braun technically did, but still) and they all got the punishment that Melky, Colon, Manny and all the other players who actually failed a piss test.

              A-Rod may or may not be paying the price for many others, but he is certainly the only person who had the balls to fight an “unfair” (by THEIR rules) punishment.

        • Manny's BanWagon says:

          Agree with this.

          Everything Arod is doing is to deflect attention from the fact that he’s a cheat and a rat.

    • trr says:

      ESPN, they’ll say anything to try ignite some controversy and drive up ratings. pathetic. find a good local sports channel, VT

      • VT Yankee Fan says:

        Ha-ha, when you live in the sticks there are many choices.

      • forensic says:

        It’s pitiful that Tirico would say something like that and I generally agree about ESPN.

        That being said, I actually thought O’Brien, Kruk, and Schilling (as much as it pains me to say it) did pretty well last night during the game in their discussions and analyzing of the HBP and what should’ve happened after it.

    • Pat D says:

      Tirico is a worthless piece of shit.

      I used to like him as a SportsCenter anchor, but then he became a shitty play by play guy/radio host.

      Then I read that ESPN oral history book These Guys Have All the Fun, which gave several credible accusations of him engaging in varying forms of sexual harassment, and I lost all respect for him.

    • Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

      Tirico who was disciplined by ESPN for his creepy stalking of female employees should be the last person making any kind of comments.

  7. DW says:

    quick fantasy question. who wins the trade

    Team A gets: Bumgarner and lee
    B gets: Adam Jones and Kimbral.

  8. Crime Dog says:

    I seriously hope that no matter what happens with the rest of the season, Joe Girardi gets a decent deal in the offseason to stay. He’s really done a great job taking heat off the team and onto himself. I also just flat out like the guy.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I assume he’s going nowhere.

      • Crime Dog says:

        Never know though. If Cashman decides he wants to move on, a new GM could bring in his own guy. I would imagine thats not a possibility unless they tank the rest of the season.

        • jjyank says:

          True, though I also don’t see Cashman leaving the organization. I’d be willing to eat part of Ben’s hat in a bet that Girardi is here for at least 2014, and probably beyond. What happened this season is far from his fault, and I think he’s done a great job getting them where they are, all things considered.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I doubt either is going anywhere, though. I think Cashman’s time as GM is numbered, but I don’t think his time as a Yankee is.

  9. forensic says:

    I could watch A-Rod’s HR over and over again.

    The ESPN radio guys said it was 446 feet (if I remember correctly) and the longest hit by a Yankee this season. Think he put a little extra into that swing?

    • jjyank says:

      I’ve watched the replays several times now. It’s glorious. A-Rod is a better man than I am. I would have flipped the bat and trotted ever so slowly around the bases, while giving Dempster a death stare the entire way. But he opted for the Ortiz mockery instead, and that was also pretty great.

      • Bo Knows says:

        Your a better man than me then, I would have pimp-walked around the bases, with both middle fingers up towards dempster, talking more shit to him than a 14 year old boy playing Call of Duty.

      • Manny's BanWagon says:

        I certainly hope a lying, cheating rat isn’t a better man than you.

        211 might be excessive but only a fool would argue he doesnt deserve a good long suspension.

        • Bo Knows says:

          Seriously get off your sanctimonious high horse. Everyone lies about something, everyone has done wrong at some point. It’s fine to be upset, but to act like Arod is the worst scum of the earth is simply over reacting.

          • Truther says:

            Don’t go over to Lohud then. High horse riding going on over there. Pretty disgusting lead by the biggest bitch in the land.

        • Mr. Roth says:

          I cheated while playing Monopoly with some of my friends when I was younger. When they asked me about it, I denied it, so I guess I lied too. Hell, I’ve lied about plenty of things in my life, and I’m sure most people here have too.

          I think it’s silly to presume someone isn’t a “good man” because they cheated at a game and lied about it.

          I would argue that based on the facts we have, it’s impossible to say whether or not he deserves a long suspension. Especially considering, you know, the fact that every party involved is a liar.

        • forensic says:

          You cheered the HBP and booed the HR, didn’t you?

        • Get Phelps Up says:

          Guilty until proven innocent strikes again.

  10. Mickey Scheister says:
  11. YankeeFan says:

    My co-workers and I were talking about this today, how is Ryan Braun going basically unscathed compared to A-Rod? Ryan Braun is the biggest scum out of everybody. He tested positive, denied it and tarnished a man’s image and career. He then had the gall to reach out to fellow players and try to tarnish the guy even more, even though he knew the truth behind the positive test. He then gets caught again, leaves with his tail in between his legs by taking only 65-games and still hasn’t made a public appearance.

    We all know the story behind A-Rod and if you compare A-Rod to Braun & Ortiz and some others, it’s amazing that he is the only one getting crushed in the media. His name was suppose to be confidential in the 2003 testing, and his name was the only one leaked. He at least then admitted to steroids and even now, Levine can try this whole ‘put up or shut up’ but A-Rod knows he can’t deny steroid use, and he has stuck with the fact that he’s not denying steroid use but rather the ridiculous 211-game suspension.

    As a Yankees fan and with the teams ridiculous $189 million dollar cap, obviously it’s beneficial to see A-Rod gone but when you look at the facts and the facts show he is the scapegoat, the 211 games is not justified, especially considering the source, Anthony Bosch, who attempted to extort money from A-Rod before going to MLB.

    • Now Batting says:

      Alex Rodriguez is a bigger star than Braun will ever be. Braun is a great player but he’s never been anointed the person to make the home run record clean again, nor was he ever such a polarizing player as A-rod when both were presumed clean. On top of that he’s not playing right now and is completely out of the spotlight. Speaking of spotlight he plays in Milwaukee. Hell the state has 3 million less people than NYC does, the Brewers suck, and it’s almost football season.

      • YankeeFan says:

        And that is the problem with MLB and Bud Selig. MLB is in real deep right now. They better have the goods on A-Rod. As each day passes, A-Rod is becoming more and more favorable at least among Yankee fans. He’s a Yankee so I’m fully behind him helping this team but those that were fringy will start leaning on his side.

  12. Charles says:

    Cuban SS Alexander Guerrero is reportedly down to 4 teams according to MLB Trade Rumors, the Yankees are not one. I am a bit surprised tbh, he had a .997 OPS or better in Cuba from 09-11 and because he played in Cuba for 3 years he won’t count against the International Pool.

    This is the exact sort of guy that the Yankees need, hes developed, young, and could step into the MLB role after Jeter is done.

  13. EndlessJose says:


    All these Cubans are past being prospects and are young and productive but for some reason the Yankees refuse to get them.The Yankees just want some 16 year old Dominican that will take 7 years to develop.

    Cashman and Oppenheimer have been horrible at getting and developing young talent.But who needs a young healthy SS we have Jeter for the next 5 years.

    • jjyank says:

      Just saying, how much do you even know about this Cuban SS? Other than the fact that he’s from Cuba and can play SS?

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Isn’t that all we need to knowcashmanfailed.

        • Manny's BanWagon says:


          How could anyone doubt Cashman considering the plethora of young position players the Yankees have developed over the last 5 years.

          Oh, wait

          • Steve says:

            I imagine that Randy Levine intentionally screwed up all of the elite prospects that Cashman and Oppenheimer would have produced. All I know is that Cashman is above reproach.

            • OldYankees says:

              I have a good game.
              Pick 3 teams.
              Now name every prospect on those 3 teams who did Not meet expectations.

              Done yet?
              Now do this for the other 26 (non-Yankee) teams.
              Now… note the slot each prospect was picked in the draft.

              Done yet? Yes?
              Now you can talk about Cashman.

              • Steve says:

                It’s strange and convenient that you’re going back to the tried and true complaint about draft slot. Especially in a conversation about signing an International Free Agent. Up until last year there was no cap on International spending. So it stands to reason that the team with the most money, who has never been bashful about spending it, should have done much much better in IFA. But no, that doesn’t jibe with the Cashman as a victim to his own success narrative that you have all so artfully constructed.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Oh please. I have massive respect for you as my negative flipside. You’ve been following this system as long as I have. You know how the history actually goes.

      • Anderson Silva says:

        But shouldn’t we be worried that the Yankees don’t seem to be making any efforts towards signing these types of players whereas other teams are getting great production out of them?

        It’s a lot more complicated than simply “Cashman failed” but he seems to be gun shy ever since the Key Igawa fiasco, and that does not bode well for the future of this franchise.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          We’re still talking less than a handful of guys who other teams, including the Yankees, were in on at some level.

          We also have to question these ” Cuban 3B Jose Maria De Los Santos Rodriguez just defected and these are the teams interested!” reports. I often feel that, when that early list of teams is mentioned, it more follows a narrative of who the author thinks is interested rather than who actually is interested.

          The idea of a Puig or Cespedes is a great one, isn’t it? The potential of close-to-immediate production at less of a price than a high-priced, MLB free agent. It’s just not that easy to say that, because a handful of these guys have reached the majors, the Yankees failed because they haven’t employed one of them. Yet. Neither have the majority of other teams in the league.

          I complete made Jose Maria De los Santos Rodriguez up, but I’m already assuming someone thought Cashman failed there.

          While nowhere near on the same scale, look at the DOTF post on Mexican league players. That seems to be a place the franchise is having some success. Certainly, ManBan has been slowed by injury, but his trajectory is still incredibly strong. Nuno could develop into the type of back-end guy everyone needs by next season, which is a pretty quick turnaround, they got a solid season out of Aceves before realizing he was batshit nuts, and they not got themselves another 19 year-old with promise. Certainly not the same thing in the least, but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:


          El Duque

          The Yankees aren’t really behind in this area. Hell, they were trendsetters. We also forget that the early days of outside-the-US superstars wound up performing more like Ariel Prieto and Kaz Matsui than Yu Darvish and Yasiel Puig…..and we still have zero clue where those guys will end up. Where does the actual truth lie? Is the scouting better now, or do we have false hope due to early returns?

  14. Rolling Doughnut says:

    I’m no big ARod fan, but I think he’s getting most of the bad press mostly just because he is an asshole. As far as the PED issue, there’s a lot of blame to go around. MLB, the players, the fans who love the action and the dingers. ARod is just one of the guilty many. 37 year old Big Papi’s 2013 slashes: .325/.406/.586 with a 167 wrc+. Now tell me he’s not juicing. When the Sox come into YS, I hope Joba plonks Ortiz or Ratboy. Hell, with Joba’s control, they could argue rightly that it wasn’t intentional.

  15. DERP says:

    The Orioles hitting with RISP tonight is embarrassing. Also, Price is doing his best CC impression tonight.

  16. Pat D says:

    Uh oh. WallyMatt wrote an article saying that MLB and the Yankees better have an airtight case for their own sake.

    Shit, is public opinion starting to move in ARod’s favor? Be on the lookout for signs of the apocalypse.

    • OldYanksFan says:

      Just read that.
      When Wally starts defending ARod, Hell hath frozen over. Wally says:
      “Major League Baseball, and the Yankees, better be squeaky clean in all of this. Because both of those hallowed institutions now have a hell of a lot more to lose in this thing than Alex Rodriguez.”

    • forensic says:

      I’m curious to see what kind of fan reaction he’ll get tomorrow. Dempster did a great job of uniting Yankee fans last night. Even if just for his first AB, might he get a big ovation tomorrow?

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      People may not like ARod for being a douche but when you see the other side of it, like Levine then anything is possible here.

  17. OldYanksFan says:

    I’m glad this is an off day.
    These games are distracting me from The ARod Saga!

  18. vicki says:

    marlins park is a hideous blight. at least it wasn’t taxpayer money. oh, wait.

  19. Kramerica Industries says:

    Orioles putting on a rather memorable RISPFAIL display tonight.

    Already ten stranded baserunners for them in five innings tonight.

  20. OldYanksFan says:

    As the A-Rod world turns…

    “ESPN is reporting that Rodriguez plans to file a malpractice suit against Yankees team physician Dr. Christopher Ahmad. The Rodriguez camp is prepared to make a case that Ahmad misdiagnosed Rodriguez’s hip problem in October. Rodriguez’s camp released the results of Rodriguez’s ALDS MRI, which includes a note from a radiologist — not Dr. Ahmad — saying that a “partial evaluation” of the left hip revealed a labral tear.”

    I love all this. I LOVE ALL THIS!

  21. forensic says:

    I can’t even fathom how much it must suck to be an Astros fan.

    I think I read that they’re going to be the first team ever with the #1 overall draft pick in 3 straight years. And it doesn’t even seem like they really improving much (not that I know anything about their minor league system).

    • vicki says:

      jeff luhnow’s got this.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Well, in fairness, I haven’t conducted full research about worst teams, but the #1 overall pick alternated AL and NL for many years, so it was impossible to have it two years in a row, let alone three.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I think they’re gonna become the first team to be the worst in baseball for 3 straight years since the 1962-65 Mets. Unfortunately for them, there was no draft until 1965.

    • Bo Knows says:

      A rotation of Rodon at #1 and Appel as the #2 will be nasty though

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      And, even when they were good….crappy uniforms.

      Before that, being named after a malt liquor…..

    • RetroRob says:

      They basically want to finish last, making no attempt to build a competitive MLB team so they pick as high as possible in the draft. I’m not knocking them, though, because that is their strategy right now. In fairness, the MLB team sucked and the minor league system was among the worst. They have done quite a bit to rebuild the system the past few years, but they started from near zero.

      There is luck involved. The Nats picked last for two straight years. Just so happens it was the two years Strasburg and Harper were available. Pure luck of timing.

  22. Bo Knows says:

    Greg Bird has zero hits tonight so far; he also has 4 walks on the night, bringing him up to 95 walks on the season.

  23. OldYanksFan says:

    From ESPN:

    Kansas City Royals infielder Miguel Tejada, suspended for 105 games last week because of positive tests for amphetamine use this season, was also implicated in the Biogenesis investigation, sources familiar with the case confirmed to ESPN.

    Major League Baseball had the choice of going after the 2002 American League MVP for the Biogenesis case, as the league did 13 other players earlier this month, or for the amphetamine case. MLB chose to suspend Tejada after he tested positive for a third time in his career for amphetamines.

  24. Steve D Fl says:

    I know the Yankees are concerned about the salary thing. But I wonder how some big time free agents feel these days about coming to the Yankees with all this BS going on.

  25. OldYanksFan says:

    And a little more detail from ESPN:
    (this just keeps getting better!)

    According to records provided by A-Rod’s team to ESPN New York, the radiologist working with Ahmad on Rodriguez’s MRI on Oct. 11 reported, “Stable postoperative appearance of the right hip with no evidence of labral re-tear, stable degenerative change, and only minimal gluteus medius insertional tendinosis. Partial evaluation of left hip revealing superior labral tear with small parabal cyst.”

    The record is a description of the radiologist report and does not include any interpretations or clinical documentation from Ahmad.
    So… the radiologist picked it up but Dr. Ahmad didn’t?
    Or did he…. AND HE JUST DIDN’T TELL AROD! (Cue creepy music.)

    Now check this out:

    The Yankees released a statement on the potential malpractice suit that read:

    “We relied upon Dr. Christopher Ahmad and the NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital for medical diagnosis, opinions and treatment. The Yankees neither had any complaints from Alex Rodriguez pertaining to his left hip during the 2012 regular season and the Yankees postseason, nor did the Yankees receive any diagnosis pertaining to his left hip during that same period of time. Given the various allegations that have been made by Alex Rodriguez and his counsel, if you have any medical questions they should be directed to the NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital and Dr. Christopher Ahmad.”

    Is this the Yankees saying “Don’t blame us…. HE (Dr. Ahmad) did it!”

    Is this shit great or what???!!!???

    • yeayo says:

      Wow, the Yankees are distancing themselves from the entire situation…not a good sign.

    • Cuso says:

      Not that this is controlling, but the radiologist’s read of the MRI is not the end-all, be-all. I run into it more often than not, where the referring physician has a different interpretation than the guy/gal that performed the MRI.

      Wouldn’t be the first time.

  26. yeayo says:

    Is anyone concerned that the MLB has not suspended Dempster yet for last night?

    • forensic says:

      Not really concerned, also not surprised in the least. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they somehow tried to say it wasn’t intentional and, once again, use a different set of rules for anything involving A-Rod.

  27. MB923 says:

    Chances of Cano staying here, assuming these rumors stay true, have increased

  28. Kramerica Industries says:

    Orioles are 2-14 with RISP and have left 14 men on base, nine in scoring position tonight.

    In a game where they are trailing by a paltry 4-3 margin.

    If that isn’t “tear your hair out” annoying, then that brand of annoying doesn’t exist.

  29. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Who do we want to win again?

  30. forensic says:

    It’s too bad Lincecum and the Giants suck so much.

  31. Kramerica Industries says:

    Thanks a lot, Orioles.

    Stranded 15 effing runners tonight.

    • JGYank says:

      It’s ok. They are ahead of us too. Either way that game would have 1 AL east contender lose.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Yeah, I’d rather the team further out ahead lose. The Orioles don’t hold a playoff spot right now. Yes, the Yankees have to get past them, but that’s not the end-goal.

        • OldYankees says:

          The Yankees have to pass EITHER Oakland OR TB to make the PS.
          If you look at their schedules, you will see Oakland has it a lot easier.

          99% sure the 1st WC will come from the West (unless TB goes on a tear).
          In order for us to make the PS, we have to overcome TB.

      • forensic says:

        Yeah, and Tampa is so much further ahead, I think it might be better for them to win instead of Baltimore. The Yanks need Baltimore, Cleveland, KC, and one of the AL West teams to plummet to have a real chance. If the Yanks somehow get past Baltimore, then you can root for the O’s to beat Tampa.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          This is really one of those things where differing viewpoints will both yield valid arguments.

          The Yankees are now seven back of a playoff spot there. I’d rather that have been six, even if the climb past Baltimore were a tad bit more difficult.

  32. Kramerica Industries says:

    Also, always a mark of shame when, as a quality team, you are condemned to a losing home record against a divisional opponent. Always a very bad sign.

    Life as a team needing help. The Rays won. The Red Sox are winning comfortably. Indians are up 4-0. Even the A’s are ahead right now. Nothing going the Yankees way tonight.

  33. Wheels says:

    Great Tyler Kepner piece in today Times about Girardi last night:

    • vicki says:

      ‘Zimmer, naturally, said he agreed with Girardi. He added that if Torre, his close friend, fined Girardi but took no action against Dempster, he would be very disappointed.

      “That would be a real joke, and I would tell that to Joe,” Zimmer said.’

  34. Captain Turbo says:

    Ryan Dempster is a pussy. Fuck Boston. Go A-Rod. Go Yankees.

  35. Kramerica Industries says:

    Wow, between the Mariners blowing 1st/3rd, no outs in the 8th, this entire night of baseball has completely not gone the Yankees way.

  36. Mike M says:

    When Alex hit that home run, I cheered for him more than I ever have.

  37. Kramerica Industries says:

    Man. What a horrendously shitty night of baseball.

  38. anezthetik says:

    Speaking as a radiologist, A lot of clinicians miss findings in our reports. The worst offenders, IMHO are Orthopedic surgeons. A lot of them think they are “better” than radiologists at reading MRI, and don’t even bother to read the radiologist report.

    I used to be against A-rod, but now I am starting to support him. He never tested positive, and all this shit with Biogenesis has been about PEDs, not steroid use specifically. PEDs is a very BROAD term, and shit like HGH is not something that is harmful for the body, or something that should constitute a “lifetime” ban.

    I have also been pissed at Hank and Hal for wanting to get under the threshold since the offseason. I know all the arguments in support of them, and I still can’t get over it. Did George not leave them enough money? Did they slash ticket prices? I really want to pay $1,000 to sit in the front row see Brad Lillebridge? I almost want A-rod to stick it to the owners at this point. The Yankees have won 27 championships because they draft well AND take on the expensive free agents. No other team can/does support that type business model.

    • Truther says:

      * Slow Clap!!!

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      Please, HGH is a banned per the CBA just like anabolic steroids and amphetamines. No differentiation is made.

      It’s hardly malpractice or some conspiracy to end Arod’s career to let him play with an asymptomatic left hip that was incidentally found to have a labral tear and a paralabral cyst. He probably played half the season if not more with that injury and it wasn’t repaired until January or February anyway.

      You guys are like sheep falling for the smoke screen. The issue here is PEDs, how long he used, how he tried to cover the investigation, if he recruited other players and if 211 is an excessive suspension or not. Period.

      • RetroRob says:

        There are many issues here.

      • Holy Ghost says:

        “Please, HGH is a banned per the CBA just like anabolic steroids and amphetamines. No differentiation is made.”

        True but not all PEDs are equal. Some PEDs make guys run faster and hit the ball farther. Others only have marginal benefits or no benefit at all.

        There’s no evidence that HGH helps athletic performance. On the contrary, there’s more scientific evidence that it doesn’t help athletes get stronger or run faster.

        The benefit of HGH is believed to be that it speeds up the healing process from injuries.

        I think HGH is banned mainly because it’s not legal if not prescribed by a doctor. (A real doctor, not a shady guy like Tony Bosch)

        • anezthetik says:

          The point is that steroids cause harm to the body, and it is not something I would want my kids to take. There is no science out there proving that taking HGH or similar PEDS is harmful for the body (or helpful). Therefore, the definition of what a PED is arbitrary and not based on scientific research. Coffee can be considered a PED, Oxygen supplementation can be considered a PED. Who decides what is allowed?

          What I don’t understand is that every player in the history of sports looks for an edge. You can say that Ruth or Aaron did not take anabolic steroids because they didn’t exist. But you can’t say they didn’t take some sort of “tonic” that would be considered a PED by todays standards.

          The more “PEDS” and “steroids” become interchangeable, there will be less incentive for players and scientists to develop supplements that can help players without causing harm to the body.

  39. vicki says:

    for those who enjoy the soap opera element of the story, cashman’s mistress is officially involved.

  40. Look at all those veins in Girardi’s fucking face.

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