Thursday Night Open Thread

Yankees outright Brent Lillibridge to Triple-A
O'Brien hits 20th homer in Tampa loss
Yankee Stadium will host two hockey games in January. Presumably there will be ice. (Photo via Andrew Gross)
Yankee Stadium will host two NHL games in January. I assume there will be ice. (via Andrew Gross)

Here is your open thread for the off-night. It’ll be nice to forget about the Yankees for a few hours. That series against the White Sox was a nightmare. The schedule is pretty light tonight, just three games, but MLB Network will air one of them. Who you see depends on where you live. Talk about that or anything else right here. Go nuts.

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Yankees outright Brent Lillibridge to Triple-A
O'Brien hits 20th homer in Tampa loss
  • Pseudoyanks

    I gotta say, I think that trade Mo piece was a bit of a RAB Jumps The Shark 2013… I know it was prefaced with “this will never happen” but for me the actual premise that Mo’s final season is being wasted is a bit off putting to me. I think of all the great players, HOF players, who retire on ordinary teams (i.e. Ripken) but only around the Yankees would entitlement lead to lamenting over a season being wasted when a veteran retires.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      That post definitely did not get the reaction I expected. I just thought it would be something interesting to talk about during the off-day.

      • fat jeter

        Whatever, dude. I appreciated it. In 09 I was recovering from a second ACL tear and attempted my hand at writing a blog (lost sons of stein on blogspot if you are ever looking for something to mock and ridicule). I totally get just how difficult a type of undertaking like this can be. Hell, at least it garnered a response.

      • Wheels

        Don’t sweat it Mike, it was interesting.

      • Pat D

        I just wondered why you decided to write it. I figured it was because people would start to pester you about the idea.

      • Pseudoyanks

        Fair enough…and you’re allowed one clunker a year…you’re still batting .999

        • pat

          Why was it a clunker?

          • Deathstroke Heathcott

            Because he didn’t like it. I took it for what it was; his opening sentence made things pretty clear.

      • Ichiro Suzuki

        I love articles of that nature as long as it keeps you off my ass. Keep up the great work.

        /Midseason Grade C …. Really?

        • Bob Buttons

          I love articles of that nature as long as it keeps you off my ass shiri.

          fify.

          • Ichiro Suzuki

            Domo arigatou gozaimasu.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’s the price we pay for our art, Axisa. Only me, you, and dalelama would understand.

    • Pat D

      Pretty much.

      For example:
      1935 Braves: 38-115
      1911 Rustlers: 44-107
      1976 Brewers: 66-95
      1917 Pirates: 51-103
      1937 Browns: 46-108
      1960 Red Sox: 65-89
      1930 Phillies: 52-102
      1916 A’s: 36-117
      1989 Phillies: 67-95 (not that he stuck around the whole season)
      1916 Reds: 60-93
      1984 A’s: 77-85
      1945 Phillies: 46-108
      1983 Red Sox: 78-84
      2001 Orioles: 63-98
      1992 Angels: 72-90
      1974 Tigers: 72-90
      1999 Devil Rays: 69-93
      1917 Browns: 57-97
      1966 Cubs: 59-103

      And that’s just among the top 50 bWAR players. Plenty of great players go out on shit teams.

      • Pseudoyanks

        Damn, you’re good.

        • Pat D

          I left off the guys who played on 19th century teams or finished on teams with winning records even if they sucked or didn’t last the season (Steve Carlton with the 1988 Twins, for example).

          One other interesting thing I found: Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker last played with the 1928 A’s, Stan Musial with the 1963 Cardinals. The ironic part? The 1929 A’s and 1964 Cardinals won the World Series. Speaker and Musial had won before, but Cobb……

          • Pseudoyanks

            Interesting. Similar to our beloved non-HOF’er Mattingly who retired after ’95 season.

            • Pat D

              Also, Mike Mussina.

              Or, crossing over to football, Tiki Barber.

              • vicki

                you have to be kidding me with tiki barber. i gave him mvp super bowl XLII: for retiring!

                • Pat D

                  Just pointing out how he retired and then the team he left won without him, that’s all.

                  Hey, trust me, I know how much Tiki helped that team. He criticized Eli in the preseason that year, and Eli responded by making a joke about how Tiki was easing into his TV job. But the press thought Eli’s response was great and the team rallied around him. So Tiki did a lot to bring that team together.

                  Isn’t ironic how now, several years later, he’s failed at TV and now he’s saying/doing everything he can to get back in the Giants organization’s good graces?

                  • vicki

                    absolutely.

                    you do get why i didn’t like your mentioning tiki in the same breath as mo.

                    • Pat D

                      Umm……I wasn’t.

    • Laz

      The potential to miss 2 playoffs over his 18 year career. I think he is going to be content when he goes home this winter.

  • Wheels

    Empty Yankee Stadium, a sight that will soon become familiar.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      Yup, this winter just like every other.

      Oh, you mean, like the biggest franchise in the history of sports will not have any fans and no one will go to Yankee Stadium ever ever again because Cashman failed… Yup, seems legit.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Emptier, perhaps. We showed up in the early 90’s. We’ll show up now.

      They show up all over the country for losing teams not located in the state of Florida.

  • Matt Nokes

    #toomanynightmares

  • forensic

    David Ortiz has only made a bit over $112 million in his career, so of course he has to appeal that massive $5,000 fine from MLB for destroying a phone in the dugout.

    I don’t blame him one bit…

    • Pat D

      Hey! That money has already been earmarked for MLB’s Anti-Phone Abuse campaign. It’s very important.

    • Former ACE MannyGeee

      He needs sensibility against phones training…

      • Former ACE MannyGeee

        Sensitivity…. Goddam autocorrect

      • Robinson Tilapia

        He needs to read “Sense and Sensibility.”

    • Selig is a self serving hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

      Well, he needs every penny to put toward that thorough investigation he was launching into how his name got on the failed test list.

  • LarryM Fl

    I use to be a big fan of the Rangers for many years even shared with three other guys season tickets in the green seats. I enjoyed the comfort of the building. I’m not a big fan of NHL outdoors in January. I would pass. A cold beer and a hot dog just don’t sound inviting in the cold weather watching a hockey game.

    • KeithK

      I’d probably pass too. But not because it’s cold and uncomfortable. I don’t mind that. What I mind is the atrocious sight lines you get for hockey in a baseball stadium.

      The whole outdoor thing was interesting the first time or two but now it just seems silly. Unless it snows heavily during the game. Then it’s awesome.

    • Darren

      How about a bottle of whiskey and a meatball hero?

  • Greg

    just for fun, I looked at the stats for the 1964 (1st place) and 1965 (5th place) Yankees. And you can see the similarities. Guys got old (Mantle, Howard, Maris, Ford). Guys got injured or played poorly (Bouton). Guys were just coming up and weren’t ready (Roy White, Bobby Murcer). And the rest was full of never will be’s. Feels exactly like where we’re headed, except that the payroll is going to be about 20x the size.

    • Pat D

      I thought we’d finally moved on past the 1965 comparisons.

      • trr

        That was hell then, especially for a little boy who just became a fan of what he was told was the greatest team ever. But everything changes, that was then and this is now. Still sucks, just in a different way….

      • Robinson Tilapia

        There’s legit comparisons. It’s the bullshit that usually accompanies those comparisons on here that gets on people’s nerves.

  • BobinBend

    What to do with those umpires. Just way too many obviously bad calls. Could it be that for a fair number of them, umpiring runs in the family.

    • lou from the bronx

      Robot umpires

      • Former ACE MannyGeee

        Centaur players, robot umps… It’s all going pear shaped.

    • Bob Buttons

      I blame the schools.

      • Pat D

        No Umpire Left Behind?

        • Bob Buttons

          Not enough government funding.

          • BobinBend

            I think you’re on to something.

        • trr

          Not enough left behind.

  • forensic

    41 pitches in the first inning for Lester tonight. I don’t even think any of the Yankee starters reached that level in one inning this season during their struggles. Yikes.

  • Bob Buttons

    Thinking about spending a night in Scranton on a roadtrip. Anyone know any cheap-but-good restaurants in the Scranton area?

    Also, stupid thought: do hotels in NY get YES network? Never stayed in NYC so I wouldn’t know.

    • Darren

      I don’t think there actually are any decent places to eat there. Stay away from Arlene and Tom’s,
      I doubt they’ll have YES.

      • Bob Buttons

        Ah thanks. It’s just darn convenient to sleep the night off there being the mid-point between Washington and Boston (a trip together with a few family friends) so it would be a bonus if there was anything special there, as I’m the only one keen on baseball in the group.

        And I guess it was a bit of a pipedream. Oh well, I do have the chance to see them live, and maybe my first and last time seeing Mo in person.

    • Bartolo’s Colon

      I used to work in Scranton. There are some places that have awesome wings. Have never had anything even remotely as good in NYC. I actually cannot find any good wings in NYC.

      Go to these two places, they are awesome:
      Mickey Gannons – little Irish Bar that has the best wings and very cheap beer
      Zaleski’s Clubhouse – literally used to be someone’s house. Get the hot, medium, mild, or garlic wings

      Also, the area is know for wahts is called Old Forge pizza. Old Forge is a little town that borders Scranton. Old Forge Pizza uses American cheese instead of Mozzarella. I don’t like it, but many people swear by the stuff. One of the most popular places is Revello’s pizza, but there are many others.

      If you are used to NYC prices, get ready, because shit is cheap in Scranton, especially the places I listed above. Have fun, I went to the new park a few weeks ago for the first time and it is really nice.

  • Oy

    Mo is my favorite player on the Yankees, hell the only Yankees jersey I have is Mo. Mo is a great player but statements like “Yankees will go 50 years missing Mo” are a bit ridiculous. Yes, Mo is great and his greatness lies with his year to year consistency. However, relievers are the easiest players to substitute. There are so many reliever options on the market year after year. Hell, Soriano was great filling in for Mo last year. Robertson has proven that he’s one of the best relievers in the game. Mo will certainly be missed, but his position is easy to fill with players of lesser, and yet very good caliber.

    I am much more worried about Jeter and A-Rod replacements.

    • Frank Costanza

      Agreed. Mike’s last post was a great example. So many contending teams could use an upgrade at closer.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You haven’t had to worry about who was closing a game for this team since the late 1990’s.

      You’ll get good closers. I don’t think it’s an understatement at all to say it will be generations before you see that kind of stability and longevity.

      • Oy

        Oh, look who’s pulling the age card now…

        Jokes aside, I realize that there is very little chance of finding this type of stability in a single player. There are many options for the position however. Nathan has been just as good since 2004. Papelbon has been consistent since 2006, up until this year (did I just praise Papelbon? Eww). Going year to year with the best available FA arms is also a good strategy.

        SS and 3B are a different story. There are no viable replacements in the 2014 and 2015 crops of FAs. Who knows how Peralta will play after the suspension? Will he be Ruiz and Melky part 3? Will HanRam mentain his production? The future of this team at 3B and SS is scary.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          They can get by. You’re absolutely right on that. You will never see another Mariano, though, and there is not a pitcher who even comes close to him at his position.

          Yanks went my entire childhood without a steady shortstop. Hell, Jeter was the first steady shortstop I knew.

          I’m concerned about both positions moving forward, but I also don’t root against the captain in a potential farewell season. The FA crop does look a bit dismal. We also don’t know what the trade market will bring. Something will have to happen there.

          In talking about these three positions, though, we’re talking about replacing three icons at their positions. I don’t think anyone here ever thought it was going to be easy. The middle part of this decade was always going to be the biggest challenge this franchise faced in a very long time.

        • Darren

          For a second I thought you said Nathan has been just as good.

          Mo’s once in a LIFETIME (not generation) brilliance was forged in the playoffs.

          ERA of freaking 0.70, WHIP .759 over 141 innings (almost a full season) of playoff baseball!! That’s insane.

          • Selig is a self serving hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

            And actually for a closer those innings are more like 2.5 seasons…

      • PED’s

        Sorry loser but you haven’t been to more games than me in the last five years. On top of that don’t get pissy at me for being able to see right through your bullshit that you spew on here daily. You’re a fair weather fan plain as day. That’s fine just don’t expect people outside your goof troop buddies to think otherwise. I’m not buying and never will. Now O:S me before I really call you out. Cause this right here is child’s play.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That’s nice. Go try to make a name off someone else on here. I really don’t give a shit.

          • Big Jim Walewander

            Wait… does he have you confused with someone else? Fair weather fan???

            There’s no way anyone who was a diehard Yankees fan throughout the 80s and early 90s, when the Yanks were terrible and the Mets were ascendant, when there was virtually no hope on the horizon, when the franchise was embarrassing, is a fair-weather fan.

            Years of lousy baseball, future-crushing trades, tirades, firings, and scandals. You had to be tough to get through that.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Not worth it, man. Just a groupie trying to get a rise out of a regular commenter.

        • Pat D

          You’re funny.

          But not funny ha ha.

          More funny pathetic.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores

    I normally go to one Yankee game a year, two at most, but honestly with this team I might just end up going to see a Devils game instead. They won’t be great either, but they’ll be better than last year and have 8 playoff spots to work with, so I think they have an excellent shot to make it in.

  • Shittyshittybangbang

    Spoiled Yankees fan ? Entitled ? Filled with expectations ? Sure, most definitely ! Lest we become content with failure…., with mediocrity. Lest we accept “our fate”, and our fate becomes the new fate, the “norm”. I say, hell no ! Dare we not go silent into that dark night ! We’re The N.Y., mother-fuckin’, Yankees ! Failure should never, ever be accepted, much less tolerated ! The greatest city deserves the greatest team (and it ain’t The Mets baby) in MLB. The goal is, was……, and will always be a championship. Being disappointed and expressing dissent is a way of demanding more ! And oh boy, do we have a legitimate beef !

    • Thurdonpaul

      IETC

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This is why I avoid Red Bull after about 4:00 PM.

      • Kiko Jones

        RT, FTW.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    I hope there’s a nice crowd at the stadium tomorrow to let ARoid know just what kind of piece of shit he is.

    • Pat D

      I’ll be there and I’ll cheer him.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        So you condone cheating, lying, recruiting other player to cheat, obstructing justice, acting like a smug, arrogant unrepentant SOB who is above the law in his own mind.

        Sad, very sad.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Condone? That SOUNDS like ME.

        • Pat D

          Innocent until proven guilty, for one thing.

          Flags fly forever, for another thing.

          And, personally, I just don’t really fucking give a shit about athletes using PED’s, for a final thing.

          Or, more succinctly, what this guy says (minus the name-calling):
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGXHZ57aRfI

        • Captain Turbo

          Yes, all the above. Who are you to judge?

          • Selig is a self serving hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

            Don’t bother with Manny. He is a reductivist simpleton child who can’t see past his own 3 inches.

        • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

          He never broken the law and he’s never failed a drug test. Plus he’s made hundreds of millions of dollars, so I can’t blame him at all. Not to mention he gets to play a game for a living.

      • Selig is a self serving hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

        I’ll be there too. May attend the entire Tigers series specifically to show my support in the face of “fans” who can’t get past their reductivist idiocy.

  • Pat D

    You know, with some news articles I read, I become more convinced that the South actually won the Civil War.

    • vicki

      your ignorant anti-south bias couldn’t sound more redneck. i grew up in south carolina, have lived in nyc for fifteen years. guess where i’ve met the more racist, hateful, cretinous people.

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetw.....n-brooklyn

      • Pat D

        Trust me, I know that.

        But when I read a news story that says a poll taken in a southern state shows that Paula Deen is better regarded than Martin Luther King, and that 1/4 of the people polled are against interracial marriage, I’m going to get pissed off about it and keep my biases right where they are.

        I mean, you do know what started the process of the solid south switching from one political party to the other, right?

        • Pat D

          Also, I know full well that racism exists everywhere. Some people are just better at keeping it to themselves.

      • Robinson Tilapia
        • Pat D

          I maintain that I’m not racist. Well, maybe a little against white people (and I’m white).

          But I’d prefer to think that I just hate people in general. Which I do. But I hate people for how they act, what they do and say, not because of superficial reasons.

          I’m an asshole, though, so don’t take my word for it.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            We’re all racist. We’re all sexist. We are all imperfect people.

            The older I get, the less value I see in pointing the finger at someone else and going “racist.” There’s so much more to gain from pointing the finger back at myself.

            And that would be jumping off point for a conversation way too deep for this place. :)

            • Pat D

              Yes, this is merely a place to say “Cashman failed,” “ARod is the most vile human being,” and “I’m a better fan than you are.”

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Cashman failed.

                • Bob Buttons

                  Because I’m a bigger fan than Cashman.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Some of those lovely NYC folk you speak of live in my neighborhood, which I know you love so much. :)

      • Lukaszek

        The only time I’ve seen legit racism in Brooklyn was when a 250-pound neckbeard walked into a bodega and started yelling to the bodega guy about “those Russian pieces of sh*t” for a good minute. Me and other shoppers stood with our mouths open and the bodega guy (he probably overheard the customers talking in Russian) looked like that was the last place he wanted to be in at the moment. Once the butthurt neckbeard left, the bodega guy quickly gave us a bunch of free candy, presumably to thank us for not making his deli appear on the Evening News.

  • Mandy Stankiewiecz

    Looking forward to the game tomorrow. fun ys3 fact: If you use the hard rock entrance, you will see stern’s high pitch Eric. He’s the manager and works every game.

  • vicki

    if y’all gonna invoke donnie,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usRc2iAg8gI

    • vicki

      looking for “hang onto the roof!” i came across this awesomeness.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a3tOD6vNz0

      • Darren

        Just got chills again. Thank you for posting that, I never get tired of it. Never get tired of saying how amazing that moment was at the Stadium. THAT was the loudest I’ve ever heard it, although a close second was when Donnie was introduced before Game 1. And the cheers when Buck was intro’d were also astounding.

        Love how Jeter is doing the patented first one out of the dugout, even as a stone cold rookie. Love how excited Bernie )who had been there for close to rock bottom in ’91) was REALLY pumped for Donnie.

        If the Yanks don’t make it this year, Jesus Christ am I gonna be pulling for the Dodgers.

        • forensic

          I loved Donnie, but I think there’s just too much Red Sox-ness on that roster for me to root for them. Puig also bugs me. Of the teams currently in playoff position, I probably wouldn’t really openly root for any of them, but the Pirates would likely be the closest ones to who I’d root for.

          • Darren

            I guess so, but to me Donnie trumps those guys. I could put aside any vestigial Red Sox hate to get him a ring.

          • Lukaszek

            Same here, it’s either the Pirates, Oakland, or the Royals

            They’re the most likeable teams as of now. The Dodgers have too much Red Soxness

      • nycsportzfan

        My alltime fave moment as a yankee fan outside of us winning it all in 1996, is Donnies HR against Seattle. I was 14yrs old and Donnie Baseball was my alltime fave player. That moment is one of my top moments in all my life being a sportsfan of Giants,Yankees,and Knicks.

        • Selig is a self serving hypocrite (formerly not the droids you’re looking for…)

          We’re about the same age. I’m blessed to have attended a metric ton of playoff and WS games from the late 70’s on. Also glommed onto a skybox from 92-95 to attend every single Knicks and rangers home game those years. There were some awfully memorable moment there too, some good, others less so!

          ’95 still breaks my heart for Donnie, my ATF Yankee.

          • nycsportzfan14@yahoo.com

            Wow, thats freaking awesome man! I’m jealous! And yes, 1995 will always break my heart as well. To be honest, i sometimes feel guilty that one of my fave moments as a sports fan is during a gut wrenchin loss of a postseason series, when i have WS titles, SB titles, NBA finals, to choose from..lol It just kinda shows the love yankee fans had for there captain before Number2 became captain.

  • forensic

    Catching up on stuff from the last week, and MLB Now brought up the issue of ‘Should Cano hustle more?’ and they showed one of 7,000 groundouts and the blooper in Chicago where he was thrown out at 2nd.

    At the end of the segment the vote was 98% yes (he should hustle more) and 2% no. They said that vote was the most one-sided any vote they’ve ever done had been.

    To each their own, but I couldn’t agree more. I don’t understand how so many people here can condone him almost walking to first on grounders, and so on. Is it really so hard to run hard 4 times a game???

    Sorry to almost beat this dead horse, but they brought it up so I thought I would too…

    • LarryM Fl

      Amen! It has been mentioned that the configuration of the next Yankee winner will be Cano’s team. I can not see a bunch of lazy players winning with monitored expenditure of effort. You never know when your running will hurry a player to make an errand throw and win a game!

      Do not resign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I like Robbie Cano.

  • nycsportzfan

    Donnie Baseball had more BB’s then K’s 11times.