Game 136: Sweep the Birds



The Yankees have won the first two games of this all-important series against the Orioles, but, like I said yesterday, that means nothing now. It’s a new day and a new challenge. Those benefit of those two wins — New York jumped both the Indians and Orioles in the standings and now only have to pass the Athletics or Rays to secure a wildcard spot — can be erased in a heartbeat if they don’t continue to play well. Every game is a playoff game. Here’s the lineup that will face southpaw Wei-Yin Chen:

  1. CF Brett Gardner
  2. DH Derek Jeter
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. LF Alfonso Soriano
  5. 3B Alex Rodriguez
  6. RF Vernon Wells
  7. 1B Mark Reynolds
  8. SS Eduardo Nunez
  9. C Chris Stewart

And on the mound is left-hander Andy Pettitte, whose last three starts have gotten progressively better. Can he top the seven shutout innings (on 86 pitches) he threw last time out? Probably not, but he doesn’t have to do. Just give ‘em a chance to win.

It poured in New York this morning and right now it’s that post-rain hot and humid type of weather. There are more showers in the forecast later tonight, but nothing that should impact the game unless it goes deep into extra innings. I suppose they might start in a delay if they need more time to prep the field, but it stopped raining a good two hours ago now. First pitch is scheduled for a little after 1pm ET and can be seen on YES locally and TBS nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Kramerica Industries says:

    TBS, ugh.

    No blown saves today, Mo.

  2. Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

    Chris Stewart. Sigh.

  3. goterpsgo says:

    TBS? Does this mean this game is nationally blacked out, including on MLB.TV?

    I hate watching MASN… *grumble*

  4. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Stewart. Again. ARGHH

  5. JGYank says:

    Pettitte has a tough lineup to face with only 2 lefties in it and one of them is Davis. We also get a look at Morse. Nunez’s range could actually help unless the leg is still bothering him with Pettitte on the mound.

  6. lee says:

    Jeter at .184/.262/.289 DHing and batting second? that must be a typo.

  7. Kramerica Industries says:

    To blatantly leave out Game 2 of last year’s ALDS from that sample is the height of being disingenuous.

  8. the Real Greg says:

    Somebody has to ask Joe why they are starting Stewart so much.

  9. dot says:

    I’m hoping for a Vintage Pettitte™ start this afternoon.

  10. Kramerica Industries says:

    Another leadoff double for Brett. Nice.

  11. dot says:

    Leadoff doubles are cool.

  12. the Real Greg says:

    Brett’s getting into one of his hot streaks just in time.

  13. Wheels says:

    Michael Kay shouldn’t have said they’re gonna score a run here, like it’s for certain.

  14. the Real Greg says:

    Nice pitch selection. Had Cano looking for a fastball

  15. Cuso says:

    Gift strike call

  16. Kramerica Industries says:

    How is Buck comfortable wearing long sleeves and a jacket on a day like today?

  17. Cuso says:

    Is there a bigger piece of crap than Dennis Eckersley? It sure doesn’t feel like it.

  18. dot says:

    I’d especially like an A-Bomb here

  19. Kramerica Industries says:

    It worked on Stewart last time, so I’ll do it on Vernon here:

    strange feeling he does something good here.

  20. JGYank says:

    Chen looks like his command is off. This could be a good sign. Or he is just pitching around guys.

  21. Cuso says:

    A-Rod should be going the other way, not trying to pull that shit

  22. the Real Greg says:

    I would have put Reynolds ahead of Wells, but let’s see how this works.

  23. JGYank says:

    Chen is working hard this inning and is leaving balls over the middle. Don’t see him going far in this game.

  24. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nice audible “G-D DAMN” by Vernon there.

  25. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Swing the f***ing bat

  26. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Wells got two cookies and missed em oh my

  27. Wedge says:

    Start the LOB counter for Wells. Need to cut him so girardi cant play him

  28. Pasqua says:

    And he was looking for exactly what kind of pitch there?

  29. Wheels says:

    Ugh Wells

  30. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Can someone tell me what was he looking for because that looked down the middle to me.

  31. Cy Pettitte says:

    92mph fastball down the middle and he just watches it go by

  32. Eddard says:

    If Wells is going to take that he shouldn’t be playing baseball.

  33. Cuso says:

    Did anyone NOT see that coming?

  34. Kramerica Industries says:

    Then he just looks at strike three right there.

    So much for that.

  35. JGYank says:

    Dam. Should of scored the leadoff double. Chen wasn’t throwing strikes and was getting hit a bit. Just missed a few pitches.

  36. the Real Greg says:

    I think Reynolds has been on a bit of a hot streak of late, which is why I would have batted him ahead of Wells. But Reynolds is also subject to the K so it wasn’t a forgone conclusion.

  37. dot says:

    Sori did a nice job with that ball there, good work holding him to a long single.

  38. JGYank says:

    Pettitte looks good. Getting ahead in the count. Pitching inside well too. Just wish Wells and Cano had put the ball in play.

  39. Kramerica Industries says:

    The bottom 1/3 of the lineup wasted no time getting Chen’s pitch count back in control.

  40. JGYank says:

    Holy shit! Stewart hit a liner and almost got a hit!

  41. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Oh! boy

  42. JGYank says:

    Come on Pettitte. had him 0-2.

  43. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Andy is not right today.

  44. Kramerica Industries says:

    Andy’s gotten back to get two outs.

    Now none of the usual two out RISP nonsense, Andy.

  45. Wheels says:

    Nice Andy, one more.

  46. JGYank says:

    He’s got the breaking ball workin.

  47. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    lol…look at the old guy getting excited.

    Well done, Andy.

  48. Leg-End says:

    Since the All-Star Break

    Romine – .349/.431/.535
    Stewart – .172/.234/.241

    What are we missing here exactly? Small sample sizes yes but you ride the hot streak no?

  49. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Reynolds sweet play

  50. Kramerica Industries says:

    Phew, Mark.

  51. dot says:

    Oh jesus that had the potential to be hilariously bad.

    Still, nice recovery Mark.

  52. lee says:

    wow, for a terrible defensive player Reynolds is pretty impressive!

  53. JGYank says:

    Nice Reynolds. Clutch performance by Pettitte. Seeing him jam a lot of guys and missing bats so that’s good. But suddenly it’s not Chen who has to worry about his pitch count.

  54. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Get him in this time, mmmmmkay

  55. dot says:

    Leadoff doubles are still cool.

  56. Kramerica Industries says:

    That was a carbon copy of Brett’s first inning double.

    Don’t waste it this time.

  57. Wheels says:

    Seize this opportunity.

  58. JGYank says:

    Love how Gardy can work the count even when he’s down 0-2 and still get a double.

  59. the Real Greg says:

    That was a ball

  60. Rolling Doughnut says:

    I know Jeter is a baseball god but why the fuck is he batting 2d?

    • the Real Greg says:

      Because he’s Derek Jeter. Plus who are you going to bat second that is currently playing today.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        I only really have a problem with him batting second against RHP. Against LHP I don’t mind so much, though you could make a case for just about anyone other than Chris Stewart batting 2nd instead of Jeter right now.

  61. lee says:

    yep, Jeter in the two spot is working out quite nicely.

  62. the Real Greg says:

    That first pitch destroyed that at bat.

  63. Wheels says:

    not good

  64. the Real Greg says:

    If he had done that the first time, it’s 1-0 Yankees right now.

  65. fabricio says:

    fuck yea sori!!!!!

  66. Leg-End says:

    Sori comes through again.

  67. itsallhowuseeit says:

    Yikes Jeter

  68. Kramerica Industries says:

    Soriano saves another failure there.

  69. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Robbie with the usual dogshit non-hustle to first.

      • Mikhel says:

        It is worth considering who is the troll there: Bryce Harper caught a lot of fire for not hustling a grounder two days ago, Yasiel Puig was benched mid game for not playing at full steam during the game vs the Cubs… and yet a lot of Yankeefans don’t want to see Canó hustle by the sheer fear he’ll get injuried.

        • Kiko Jones says:

          Cano gets in done when it counts. Maybe Yankee fans are aware of this and know he’s the greatest 2B in franchise history and are willing to cut him more than enough slack. Jeez.

    • rich says:

      Chris Stewart reacts the same exact way when he pops up to left field, yet no one says anything. At least Cano is the best 2B in the game

      • Leg-End says:

        That’s mainly because everyone is already too busy moaning about Stewart even having an AB.

      • the Real Greg says:

        Can’t use that. We know Stewart is a backup player. Cano is supposed to be our best player. Also some of that comes from comparing him to a certain 2nd baseman in red….

        • rich says:

          I just saw Chris Davis flip his bat in the air and jog to first on the last pop-up. But its OK for him to do that right?

          • the Real Greg says:

            Well on a popup there’s less chance for a snafu than on a ground ball.

            • rich says:

              There’s more chance of a snafu on a pop up against a shift than a ground ball straight to a first basemen. But again, its OK for Chris Davis, or David Wright, or Joey Votto, etc.

          • Mikhel says:

            That’s kind of a dumb question: when Davis is playing vs the Yankees it is absolutely fine to not hustle, after all he is a rival player. Overall as a baseball fan first, not hustling is not all right unless you know a player is injuried (or too fat) and can’t hustle.

            • rich says:

              I could care less if a player don’t hustle if he is playing well. That weasel in Boston “hustles” cause he has no talent. Cano plays hard, it just that he doesn’t “look” like is playing hard.

  70. Wheels says:

    Sori! yes

  71. dot says:

    Don’t stop now, more runs please.

  72. JGYank says:

    If only we could clone Sori and replace Wells with the clone.

    • Mikhel says:

      Yankee stadium would flood with saliva… my god look at the amounts of spitting by Soriano!! Reminds me of Tony Phillips (yuck!!!).

  73. trr says:

    that’s more like it

  74. itsallhowuseeit says:

    Cheap ass hit

  75. Flagrant Foul says:

    I understand that this is Jeter’s last season so JoeG wants to give him a farewell tour, but wtf is he doing DHing and hitting 2nd in a big game like this with Ichiro and Granderson on the bench? Ichiro is no great shakes in spite of his reverse split and Granderson has his lefty problems but both options would still be more productive than Jeter. My mom would be more productive than Jeter is right now.

    • the Real Greg says:

      This isn’t his last year, unless he decides to retire.

      I would think he would want the cavalcade that Mo has gotten.

      • yankee Fan 1 says:

        Disagree. I do not see Jeter announcing his retirement like Mo and getting showered with gifts. But he’ll play next year. Hopefully he’ll be healthy and will able to prepare normally in the off season.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          I don’t think Mo exactly wanted to be the recipient of so much love and praise and gifts. That’s never been his nature. He’s gotten them because he’s revered around the league for being as classy as he is good.

  76. the Real Greg says:

    You better give him that pitch Kellogg

  77. Wheels says:

    Come on Stewie

  78. Naved says:

    Derek Jeter I love you and everything and I don’t know Yankee baseball without you but I think it is time to hang it up.

  79. Cy Pettitte says:

    holy shit he walked Stewie on 4 pitches, punish him Gardy.

  80. the Real Greg says:

    He walks Stewart on 4 pitches.

  81. Kramerica Industries says:

    Lineup turns over, bases loaded, 1 out, non-DP threat at the plate.

    Time to make him pay. Run(s), please.

  82. RetroRob says:

    Nice that Stewart drew a walk, but what the hell is he doing in there two straight days when he’s not hitting a lick?

  83. Cy Pettitte says:

    8 straight balls to walk in a run. wow.

  84. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Add runs, stir repeat.

  85. Kramerica Industries says:

    You almost would rather give up a run, walk Brett, and get the Jeter DP to end the inning.

  86. Flagrant Foul says:

    Absolutely need to PH for Jeter here, don’t want yet another rally-killing DP.

  87. the Real Greg says:


  88. JGYank says:

    What happened in the bottom of the 4th? Missed it.

  89. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Wow. Bad. CC bad.

  90. Kramerica Industries says:

    At least it wasn’t a DP.

  91. Cy Pettitte says:

    gets the run in and gives Cano an AB with 2 on, I’ll take it

  92. the Real Greg says:

    Job well done

  93. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Nice AB Cap’t

  94. Wheels says:

    Gotta swing at that Robbie.

  95. RetroRob says:

    That was about as bad an AB he could have.

  96. Kramerica Industries says:

    I remember on Opening Day, ESPN had a poll about who would have a better season, the Yankees or Red Sox.

    The poll, slanted by off-season opinions and injuries, was, like, 97% in favor of the Red Sox.

    Now, sure, it looks highly likely that those 97% were right, but, holy shit, who the hell saw this Red Sox team winning more games than any Theo built team did (they’re on pace for 96-97 wins)?

  97. Cy Pettitte says:

    Andy went from looking like he was toast a month ago to 2ER in his last 29IP. Baseball is weird.

    • RetroRob says:

      His velocity was fine, so it seemed more like a release/mechanical issue. The question I had was could he figure out what was wrong before the season was over. I wish CC could figure it out, because no way he should be this bad, when he’s still throwing in the 90s, which is plenty of velocity for a lefty and one who actually knows how to pitch. A mystery what happened to him this year.

  98. the Real Greg says:

    How does this kid have a 6 ERA?

  99. JGYank says:

    Chen is out already? How many pitches did he have? Gausman looks impressive.

  100. JGYank says:

    Good call on Grandy PH Joe.

  101. Cy Pettitte says:

    woah A-Rod turned a DP at 2nd. that was awesome.

  102. JGYank says:

    Did Nunez and Arod just turn a dp?

  103. VT Yankee Fan says:

    I know A-Rod played short for the Yanks one time in Minnesota because my dad was at that game.

  104. Kramerica Industries says:

    The 2004 ALCS ruins the good memories of the Jeter flying into stands game.

  105. the Real Greg says:

    That works as well as a bunt.

  106. JGYank says:

    How long should we leave in Pettitte? The pen already had a day off yesterday. I think he can go until the 8th.

  107. JGYank says:

    Jeter looks awful and is just late on everything. He has to turn it around offensively since he won’t help much defensively.

  108. Rolling Doughnut says:

    It’s like having Stewart in the 2 hole.

  109. Kramerica Industries says:

    Kinda iffy with Andy in the 7th with no LHB in sight.

  110. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    We’ve got Nova and Pettite pitching well, and for whatever reason I feel confident Kuroda’s going to get it back. If he and CC (less confident about that) can get it back together we’ll be in good shape. Forget about Hughes though.

  111. the Real Greg says:

    The one thing that makes me hold pause on Jeter is that we were all saying the same thing last year and look what happened. So until he shows an extended ineptitude over a full season, he gets the benefit.

  112. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Andy’s done his job. It’s DRob to Mo time.

  113. the Real Greg says:

    Until that point and Joe pulls him. Good move.

  114. Pat D says:

    Kramerica, to answer your question about Buck’s comfort:

    He doesn’t have a human circulatory system.

  115. Kramerica Industries says:

    And, see, to me, that’s pointless.

    Andy has gotten rocked in the 7th inning the last few times, and it was only righties coming up. Putting him out there was pointless, and now a jam has been created thanks to that.

  116. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Good call bringing in Kelley now. Pettite was great but 94 pitches is a lot.

  117. JGYank says:

    Great outing against a solid largely right-handed lineup. Thought he would last a bit longer but Nova gave the pen a rest anyway. 3 reliable starters in our rotation at this point (I still trust Kuroda).

  118. teddy says:

    this should be drob spot

  119. Eddard says:

    If they do end up making the WC Ivan Nova should pitch that game and Andy should pitch Game 1 of the Division Series. It’s too bad CC can’t figure out how to pitch like Andy has at 41 years old.

  120. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    God fucking dammit.

  121. the Real Greg says:


  122. Kramerica Industries says:

    The decision to leave Andy in continues to look worse now. Jeez.

  123. Wedge says:

    Anotherr minor leaguer in a major league spot

  124. Cy Pettitte says:

    are you fucking kidding me….

  125. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    GODAMN it.

  126. Pat D says:


  127. Kramerica Industries says:

    Are you fucking kidding me?

  128. the Real Greg says:


  129. JGYank says:

    Nooooooo!!!!!!! Kelly!!!!

  130. Eddard says:

    And that’s the ballgame. Why Kelley was in there I’ll never know. Girardi blew it.

  131. the Real Greg says:

    And here come the Girardi haters AGAIN

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      He’s earned it today. Leaves in Andy too long, then puts in Kelley in a HL situation. I guess DRob can ONLY be used in the 8th.

      • Mikhel says:

        How i hate those “arguments” a lot of people use, like: the set up man SHOULD be used only in the 8th (AGGGHH!); The closer SHOULD only be used in the 9th with a lead (AAAGH!!!).

        If we have the best pitchers available to pitch, they should pitch to calm the rival threat, be it in the 6th, 7th or 8th, and in this time of the season, even the 5th if its needed to avoid losing a game.

    • Mikhel says:

      Nah, JoeG never makes mistakes; he just used his best pitcher and failed, it is not as if Kelley had given up 5 hits, a walk and 2 R in his past 2 innings of work in relief.

  132. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.

    What a way to miss the playoffs this would be.

  133. Widget says:

    Well the sweep was great while it lasted.

  134. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Fuck you Joe. You leave Andy in too long then screw around with Kelley.

    • the Real Greg says:



      • Rolling Doughnut says:

        DRob to put out the fire, pitch the seventh and then maybe Kelley for the eight.

        • rich says:

          Fuck Robertson and Kelley. Joe should’ve brought in Mo and let him pitch three innings. You guys are dumb. Thank goodness you are not managing the Yankees.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            Can’t come up with a rational response to a legit point, so exaggerate the other side and make a ridiculous straw man argument.

            You’re just so clever.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Kelley, and he should’ve brought him in much earlier than that.

        • the Real Greg says:

          So you are saying that if Kelley is brought in earlier that he doesn’t give up the lead.

          That sounds like a


          • Kramerica Industries says:


            Kelley is extremely homer prone. There’s less of a chance he blows the lead if he doesn’t have two runners on base.

            Are you serious right now? Kelley was the right choice, but he made it at the wrong time. Kelley should’ve started the inning.

          • Mikhel says:


            Is also a fallacy.

            Robertson pitched: Aug 25th (2 inn), Aug 30th (1 1/3 inn); 3 1/3 inn of relief in a week.

      • Mikhel says:

        Why not more than an inning?

        Did you know… Kelley has been s**t in hist last four appearances prior to today? 2 innings of total work, 5 hits, a walk and two runs. Counting today: 2 inn, 7 H, 1 Walk, 4 R.

  135. Stupid Idiot says:

    Maybe if we didn’t have an automatic out in the 2-hole killing our rallies we would still have the lead because we would have capitalized on all those runners on. Maybe if we didn’t have a fucking idiot coaching our team he wouldn’t put that automatic out in the 2-hole or put Boone Logan in with runners on. He has Shawn Kelley available. Shawn Kelley is good. Boone Logan is not. But MATCHUPS I AM A MANGER MATCHUPS. Fucking idiot.

  136. Kramerica Industries says:

    So this went from a nice 3-0 lead to a deficit in no time at all.

    Awful managing, and awful execution.

    • the Real Greg says:

      Honestly, you should shut up.

      Girardi had nothing to do with this. Shawn Kelley pitched the ball. Kelley gets the blame. END OF F***ING STORY

      • JGYank says:

        Pettitte was doing well… But yeah Kelley has got to get those outs. Not Girardi’s fault but it was a somewhat questionable move.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        Why do you insist on being an idiot?
        I actually don’t think the managing was all that bad in this case, but to think the manager has no impact or bears no responsibility is just plain dumb.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        Pardon me while I state my non-hindsight opinion when it’s valid.

        Andy should’ve been done after six. I flat out said I disagree when I saw Andy out in the 7th. Look at his track record of late. There’s a reason I said what I said.

        • the Real Greg says:

          What possible evidence IN THIS GAME do you have to say Andy is done after 6.

          Each game is an individual organism, they have very little to do with each other.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            If a pitcher has an established track record of losing effectiveness late in games or with elevated pitch counts, that absolutely should be considered.

            • the Real Greg says:

              EVERY PITCHER has an established track record of losing effectiveness late in games. That’s because they are all humans and they tire out.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                And EVERY pitcher typically gets removed (or at least put on a very short leash) at the point where they’ve shown losing effectiveness in the past. Pettitte has shown that earlier than most pitcher typically do.

        • JGYank says:

          How are supposed to know whether he holds up? He looked great up until the 7th so we left him in. Don’t see the problem.

          • Kramerica Industries says:

            Look above. Maybe he would’ve done better, I dunno. But I disagreed with the move right from the outset. I’m not second guessing here.

      • Mikhel says:

        So, JoeG decided to use Kelley and Chamberlain, now the game is 7-4… sure, it wasn’t the managers fault to use them when:

        a) Kelley has been hit hard in his past two innings of work before today.

        b) Chamberlain is extremely homerun prone.

        In any case, JoeG should put in Austin Romine to pitch, after all if he gets hit hard it will be Romines’ fault.

  137. Elan says:

    I’m honestly at a loss to explain what must have been going through Shawn Kelly’s mind on that pitch… “Hm. A power-hitter who loves to hit the fastball, why don’t I throw him a 94 mph fastball right down the middle?”

  138. Kramerica Industries says:

    Between the Jones HR against Mo the last time against the O’s (in another sweep game) and now this, that’s potentially two games against the Orioles the Yankees flat out gave away with a sweep only a few outs away.

    Just awful.

  139. JGYank says:

    Was a tough play, but Grandy could have gotten that. On a side note, that rolled right along the top of the wall and of course goes into the stands. Pettitte is pissed.

  140. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Oh god what is the white flag doing warming in the pen.

  141. the Real Greg says:

    All of you blaming the manager are really stupid.

    • rich says:

      + infinity. It’s Joe’s fault Kelley shit the bed. He has been using Kelley in that spot all season. He gave up a bullshit Yankee Stadium homerun to a bad shortstop. It is not Girardi’s fault..

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        He has been using Kelley in that spot all season

        They weren’t playing must win games all season. He needs to manage with a much bigger sense of urgency now. Basically the same way he’d manage in the playoffs, which would probably mean DRob to get out of the jam.

        • the Real Greg says:

          Then who pitches the 8th inning?

          You might not like it, but that’s the way of baseball now.
          Pitchers have roles.

          • rich says:

            No Greg, they would prefer Rivera comes in and get nine outs.

          • Matt says:

            It doesn’t matter who pitches the 8th inning if they come in up by 3 runs with the bases empty. If you don’t have a lead in the 8th inning, it doesn’t matter who is pitching the 8th inning.

            Your excuse that they “don’t know better” is a ridiculous cop out that could be used to justify nearly anything.

          • Mikhel says:

            Managing for the 8th is a stupid way of managing, only stupids think about that.

            JoeG managed for the 8th thinking about using Robertson for the 8th and not use him in the 7th, now the Yankees are losing 7-4 and he won’t be able to use Robertson to hold the lead because it doesn’t exist anymore.

            You use your good pitchers to hold leads when you need it, if its needed in the 7th then so be it.

            How long have you been watching and/or playing baseball? A week?

          • Mikhel says:

            Pitchers have roles, sure, their role is TO PITCH. Their contract doesn’t say “8th inning pitcher”, hell, even Mariano Rivera’s contract doesn’t specifies he HAS TO be the closer and can only be used 1 inning.

            Even more so: Robertson has pitched more than an inning in his past two outings, the only two he has had since the past sunday.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            Roles change in must win games.
            Robertson was recently used in the 7th inning.
            There’s no point in saving somebody so they can go fishing in October.
            Robertson can stay in. Or if he throws too many pitches in the 7th, they could use somebody with a fresh inning instead of bringing a lesser pitcher into a 0-out jam.

      • Rolling Doughnut says:

        Dude it’s crunch time, Kelley’s been shit in his last four outings. Bringing him in with two on nobody out is dumb.Joe can’t think outside the binder.

  142. Widget says:

    Can anyone get an out this inning? This is getting pretty pathetic.

  143. teddy says:

    Giradri should be fired, must win game and he not in.

  144. Widget says:

    This is all on Kelley. To see it any other way shows a complete lack in intelligence.

    • Mikhel says:

      And who decided he was the best choice when compared to what Robertson has done and has only been used twice in a week?

      Who would you rather use?

      Pitcher a)

      In his last 6 games: 3 inn, 5 H, 2 R, 3 walks, 1 K (used 3 times in this week)

      Pitcher b)

      In his last 6 games: 7 1/3 inn, 4 H, 0 R, 1 walk, 8 Ks (used 2 times in this week).

      Pitcher c)

      In his last 6 games: 5 2/3 inn, 4 H, 1 R, 4 walks, 4 Ks (used 2 times in this week.

      a) Kelley;
      b) Robertson;
      c) Chamberlain.

  145. Matt says:

    Anybody who believes their talk about trying to win is just not watching the games.

    Any team which would send down Claiborne just to keep a useless player like Joba on the roster is not trying to win games. Period. Joba is not a guy under team control beyond the end of this season, and they don’t plan to re-sign him most likely anyway. It makes no sense. He’s awful.

    • JGYank says:

      Clairborne would be really helpful right now too.

    • Mikhel says:

      And to top it all:

      Yankees neded

      a) a catcher;
      b) a replacement 3B;
      c) a replacement SS/2B.

      Who did they get in august?

      They didn’t try to acquire Ruíz, nor Young, not even Morneau to try to inject more power and AVG in the lineup.

      What is Cashman going to say? “We think we’ll be better with our minor leaguers”?

  146. Cy Pettitte says:

    complete bullpen implosion, just lovely.

  147. JGYank says:

    It’s not Girardi’s fault the pen can’t do its job…. NO! NOT JOBA.

  148. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Bravo, bullpen, bravo.

  149. Mick taylor says:

    Mistake girardi made was starting the inning with petite heshould have brought Kelly in and if he sucked, bring in robertson

  150. Wedge says:

    4 batters zero outs. Someone has to be accountable

  151. Terrence Bollea says:

    Would sure be nice to have Prestone Claiborne here instead of Joba the Fat Bum.

    JoeG and the bad front ofice decisions teaming up to lose this game. They are why we won’t make the playoffs. JoeG is good at inspiring but his in-game strategies stink worse than day-old diarrhea.

  152. Cuso says:

    Ashes to ashes, they all fall down

  153. Matt says:

    Also, bringing in Kelley, who has been awful lately, instead of a better reliever like Logan or Robertson is precisely why Girardi should be blamed.

    Kelley didn’t pitch well, but what did you expect? Kelley has not pitched well almost every time that he has been used lately. 2 1/3 innings, 8 baserunners in his last 5 outings. This is not that difficult to ascertain. Even Pettite would have been a better option in that situation.

    • the Real Greg says:

      Logan’s a better reliever? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Matt says:

        Shawn Kelley has allowed 8 baserunners in 2.1 IP in his last 5 outings. ANYONE in the pen is a better option than Kelley right now, except Joba. Including Logan, who has allowed 1 baserunner in 3.2 IP over his last 7 outings.

  154. the Real Greg says:


    You might not like it, but that’s reality. You can thank Torre and LaRussa.

    That’s the way it is.

  155. rich says:

    Now all you guys who want to blame a manager for a dumb move, bunting Manny Machado with two runners on and no out with a bad pitcher on the mound is probably the most asinine move I ever saw. But Buck Showalter invented baseball.

    • Mikhel says:

      It is called smart baseball, you move your runners to avoid the double play, you know, those Jeter has been hitting lately with 2 men on and 1 out.

  156. Cy Pettitte says:

    Orioles should lose just for that stupid bunt

  157. Cy Pettitte says:

    that was the most predictable outcome ever

  158. rich says:

    Hey guys that’s why Kelley was in the game, because this fat fuck Joba is horrible.

  159. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Oh my god, I am legitimately laughing right now. What a nightmare inning. Give the pen a day off and then this happens.

  160. Terrence Bollea says:

    fuck you front office

  161. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Still took two of three. Forget this one and move on.

  162. the Real Greg says:

    You can thank Shawn Kelley for that one.

    • rich says:

      Its Joe’s fault for that too Greg. These guys here are clowns. Sometimes you have to blame the players for shitting the bed.

  163. Leg-End says:

    Fuck this game.

  164. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Fuck Joba.

  165. JGYank says:

    Game over. Nice Joba. 7 runs given up by the pen.

  166. Kramerica Industries says:

    Two chances the Yankees had to sweep the Orioles at home.

    Two chances the Yankees blew in the late innings. Both times, it allowed the Orioles to leave town in front of the Yankees in the standings.

    That really fucking hurts.

  167. the Real Greg says:

    And Cashman for being stubborn and nor releasing Joba.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      So he’s bad enough that you blame Cashman for not releasing him, but you have no problem with Girardi using him in a 1-run game.

      Makes sense.

      • the Real Greg says:

        Who does he have left to use?


        • Matt says:

          But he did have Robertson. Who didn’t have to pitch yesterday because the pitcher threw a CG SO. And if you keep the game at 4-3, the next inning will be easier even if Robertson can’t pitch it, because the bases will be empty.

          You can’t say that the manager has no choice, by saying that 25% of his bullpen is “not allowed” to be used because it is too early in the game. In this type of game, it doesn’t matter. If you lose this game in the 7th or the 8th, you still lose the game. At least give yourself a chance by using your best pitchers.

          • Mikhel says:

            Try again Matt, he said “No Robertson”, of course if you say any other pitcher he’ll just tell you:

            “And don’t say Robertson, Mariano, Logan… etcetera”.


        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:


  168. Wedge says:

    Hughes tomorrow. 2 game losing streak

  169. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    I think the game broke Greg.

    Kind of like our playoff chances.


  170. VT Yankee Fan says:

    It’s a good thing they didn’t cut Joba so they could keep Clairborne.

  171. JGYank says:

    I was about to ask who was the Os 7th inning guy to see if we could comeback but forget it now. Really think we should of gave Pettitte a longer leash. Still not Girardi’s fault though.

  172. MP says:

    Why have Claiborne when you could have Teh Jobaz!!1

  173. Terrence Bollea says:

    Joe Girardi, Joba, and the idiot front office just single-handedly cost us the playoffs

  174. Jorge Brosada says:

    Why the fuck is Joba still on this team? Fat piece of shit is worthless

  175. Frank says:

    What a momentum shifting loss.

  176. Matt says:

    Girardi is single handedly ending their season. Losing a game in this fashion at this point in the season is likely going to be the difference when they have to go something like 19-8 the whole rest of the season. You can only afford to lose 8 games, and you just gave away 1 of those in embarrassing fashion.

    This is unacceptable. He brought in 2 terrible relief pitchers in relief of a guy who was throwing a shutout and did not look like he was tiring. Anyone who tries to defend this guy simply doesn’t watch the games. You make stupid moves, you can’t expect them to work out for you.

    This is not that difficult. If you are going to manage a game like this, you are not serious about winning

    • rich says:

      You’re an idiot and don’t know baseball.

      • Matt says:

        Oh really? Then try to rebut my argument. Oh wait, you can’t. Which is why you just try to launch a personal attack.

        What is he saving Robertson for? The 8th inning lead that will never come because he brought in guys who he knew were terrible like Joba insead? There is poor execution and poor decision-making, and a manager cannot afford to do the latter.

  177. the Real Greg says:

    Cashman could have bit the bullet and released Joba. But he didn’t which is why he’s here.

    • Mikhel says:

      JoeG could have bit the bullet and not used Kelley. But he didn’t which is why he’s here.

      JoeG could have bit the bullet and not used Joba. But he didn’t which is why he’s here.

      JoeG could have bit the bullet and used Robertson. But he didn’t which is why the lead its not here.

  178. HateMclouth (formerly I'mVernon) says:

    Goddamn 7 spot on the board…unbelievable. I guess now we hope for a JJ implosion?

  179. Kramerica Industries says:

    I won’t be able to answer responses immediately, but just chew on this:

    Nova threw a CGSO yesterday. What’s the point of a fully rested ‘pen if you won’t use it?

  180. Cuso says:

    I’m not watching, but I assume Joba gave up a bomb?

  181. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Wow… no words.

  182. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    When you have a 3 run lead, with a fully rested bullpen, in the seventh inning of ANY game, let alone a must-win game, you should not be trailing by three runs before that inning ends.

  183. Kosmo says:

    typical Joba loves his slider doesn´t challenge hitters with heat, grooves a slider right down the middle of the plate.

  184. the Real Greg says:

    You blame two people for that.

    You blame Brian Cashman for not releasing Joba and you blame Shawn Kelley for not doing his job.


    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:


    • rich says:

      Preach on brother. These guys are idiotic trolls for blaming Girardi

    • Matt says:

      No. If the manager decides to USE Joba, who he knows is TERRIBLE, then he is just as much to blame. If you bring in players that you know are not good enough to get the job done, then you can’t blame those players when they fail. They are simply not good enough.

      • the Real Greg says:

        When the players that are ALLOTTED are bad then you have no choice.

        • Matt says:

          Are you really serious? He had Robertson aailable in the pen. If you are going to try to argue that he can’t be used because it’s not the 8th inning, then you’re an idiot, plain and simple. The 8th inning won’t matter if you fall behind by multiple runs.

          • the Real Greg says:

            Then blame LaRussa and Torre for starting that motif.

            That’s the way baseball is. It’s probably not right. But that’s the way it is. And until the roles thing dissolves, that’s the way it will be.

            • Matt says:

              Your argument is equivalent to saying that because people once believed that the Earth was flat, it is acceptable for somebody to still believe that because they don’t “know better.”

              It is a manager’s job to put his team in position to win games. At this point in the year, the benefit that you gain from resting pitchers is not enough to offset the damage from losing games by using lesser pitchers. What are you saving Robertson for?

    • Kosmo says:

      So far the Yanks have been shutdown offensively. 3 runs big deal. Hats off to the O´s BP.

  185. nsalem says:

    Game not over. 3 more innings.

  186. JGYank says:

    There’s plenty of blame to go around. The pen, the offense for not scoring more, Cash for leaving Joba on the team, Pettitte for giving up a couple baserunners.. the list goes on.

  187. John says:

    It was only a 1 run game. Why the hell would you bring Joba in?

    • the Real Greg says:

      Who should he have brought in?

      Robertson and Rivera are not coming in.

      Warren is awful, Betances was awful. Cabral is a rookie.

      Who are you bringing in?

      • John says:

        Either leave Logan in or just bring in Robertson. Joba is just awful.
        There was no Joba was getting out of a two runners on base with no outs.

    • JGYank says:

      That was Joe’s fault, not the Kelley/Logan stuff. But seriously leave Pettitte in was pitching great in this game. No one was going to question that. Hadn’t even given up a run yet.

  188. Eddard says:

    I think we’ll look back at today as the day the 2013 Yankees died. Girardi really blew it today with some questionable moves.

    • rich says:

      Guys, you can’t pitch Robertson two innings every day. After Robertson and Rivera, Kelley is your best reliever. Sometimes, the players do fail.

  189. Cy Pettitte says:

    that strike 3 pitch was a ball a few pitches ago.

  190. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Joe leaves Andy in for the seventh. After the first hard hit ball maybe he should have taken him out. But OK. He lets him go one more. But two on nobody out, the game is winnable, and extremely important. So Shawn Kelley, who has been awful lately, is brought in? You let DRob pitch the 6th and 7th, then Kelley for the 8th. Bringing in Joba down only one run was just fucking stupid-

  191. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    I don’t get it Girardi play the first game of this series like a playoff game and today he watchs the game slip away with Roberston sitting in the pen.

  192. Elton Cod says:

    Great to see that Cano is back to sucking at the right time.

    He was up 3-0 but blew it. Story of the night.

    Fire Girardi.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Great to see that Cano is back to sucking at the right time.
      So you missed yesterday’s game, then?

      • Mikhel says:

        Whether we like it or not, Canó’s whole career has been like that, he can hit 0.450 AVG, 5 HR, 12 RBI in a week and the next two weeks bat 0.100 AVG, O HR, 0 RBI, and at the end finish batting 0.300 AVG, 5 HR and 12 RBI in a three week stretch which sounds nice, but in reality it is not, he was just useful in seven games.

        July 1-14 (14 games): 0.404 AVG, 4 HR, 17 RBI.
        July 19-31 (12 games): 0.222, 0 HR, 5 RBI.

        Overall in July: 0.315 AVG, 4 HR, 22 RBI.

        He followed that in August for a 9 game stretch hitting 0.212 until august 11th.

  193. Mick taylor says:

    Start the inning with Kelly if he gives up a couple of hits bring in Robertson . Or leave petite in until the o’s score. Leaving him in for 2 righty batters and then pulling him was sttupid

  194. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Look on the bright side. There isn’t any.

    Oh, wait…

  195. JGYank says:

    Not only should Clairborne be on the team before Joba, Betances should be as well.

  196. the Real Greg says:

    This isn’t the damn 1970s. You are not getting Sparky Lyle or Gossage for multiple innings.

    I would like somebody to look up how many times Robertson this year has pitched more than 1.2 innings.

    • the Real Greg says:

      I’ll answer it myself.

      He’s pitched 1.1 innings TWICE this year and 2.0 innings ONCE this year.

      So let’s have him do it here.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      How about just bring him in to get out of the inning?
      Isn’t that the whole idea behind high leverage inning

      • the Real Greg says:

        Then who pitches the 8th?

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          You’re such a troll, Greg.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          It would depend on the matchups, and how hard Drob had to work in the 7th.
          It’s easier to get out of no outs, nobody on with a lesser reliever than it is to get out of no outs, 2 on. I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that very simple concept.

          • the Real Greg says:

            Possibly, but the difference is made up for by the fact that as you get closer to the end, the pressure increases.

            You know that. Pitching a clean 7th is different then pitching a clean 8th. And pitching a clean 8th is different than pitching a clean 9th.

            • Mikhel says:

              It is the same thing, because if a team’s best 3 hitters come up to bat in the 7th inning with the game tied or up/down by a run, it puts more pressure than if in the 8th inning with the game tied, up or down a run, a team’s worst 3 hitters come up to bat.

              Not to mention if in the 7th the bases are loaded or 2 runs on base, and in the 8th the bases are empty.

          • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:


    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      Who cares? At least if you get out of that mess you still have a lead.

      I don’t give a shit if “this is what baseball is like”. Then Joe messed up because he didn’t think for himself. Grow some balls.

      There was a better move to make, and Joe didn’t make it. Rationalize it away all you want, have as much fucking fun as you want with your caps lock key, but he had a better pitcher to put into the game, and he didn’t put him in.

      I don’t care why. He had the ability to do it, and he didn’t. That’s a managerial mistake.

    • Matt says:

      He wouldn’t have to do that if the next pitcher can come in with the bases empty up by 3 runs. He could have also used Rivera for 4 or 5 outs instead.


      These guys can rest in October. Stop with the excuses and accept that you can make mistakes as much by ommission as by commission. Not being aware of important information and willfully so is just as bad.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      You’re still not getting the key point here.
      It’s not April. It’s not May. It’s not June. It’s not July. It’s not even August.
      It’s September, with a big deficit to make up. These are must win games. The more relevant question would be: How many times has Robertson done that in the playoffs?
      And even that isn’t all that relevant, because Robertson wouldn’t necessarily stay in for the eighth inning. They were in a big jam in the 7th. They needed to get out of that before they worried about the eighth.

  197. Rolling Doughnut says:

    Well now DRob and Mo will have three days rest at least since Hughes is pitching tomorrow. They’ll be fresh for the really important games in late Sept.

  198. Jay says:

    Huge loss today. Things were looking so good and then BAM…7 run inning. This one really really hurts.

  199. Elton Cod says:

    I think the Real Greg is right. I have heard first-hand accounts from managers that if you do not follow the Rules of Bullpen Pitcher Roles, Joe Torre and Tony LaRussa will personally visit your house and rough you up. Now that Torre has some power over MLB he can also use that to penalize you if you do not follow the rules he helped author. So it totally makes sense that Girardi used Shawn Kelley, Boone Logan, and Joba Chamberlain rather than David Robertson. He had no choice, that’s just the ‘motif’ that Torre/LaRussa started.

  200. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    I’m sorry I use Roberston to get out of that inning and then start fresh in the 8th with Kelly or whoever.

  201. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    I honestly believed we would have a shot at the playoffs after today…

    I think I speak for most people (maybe not R-Tils) when I say, for this game, Fuck You 2013 New York Yankees. Fuck you.

  202. 1nDun says:

    “These games are very important. We gotta win all these games…”

    *brings in every reliever not named David Robertson or Mariano Rivera*

    “…alright starting from tomorrow.”

  203. the Real Greg says:

    Also Robertson’s style of pitching doesn’t allow him to pitch multiple innings. He strikes out a lot of people which raises his pitch count. And he can get wild and walk people, which also raises his pitch count

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      You have to try really hard to keep missing the point like this.

    • John says:

      You don’t let Joba pitch with two runners on and no outs in a 1 run game.

      • the Real Greg says:

        If you have no other choice OTHER THAN to have Robertson do something that he doesn’t a lot, then you have no choice.

        • Matt says:

          He had no choice, but yet he still made the wrong one. What does that say about the manager? Being creative when the situation is a no-brainer just makes you an idiot.

          • the Real Greg says:

            He had no choice because his dumb GM didn’t give him proper tools and is so stubborn that he would he cut off his own leg before getting rid of Joba.

            • Matt says:

              What do you not get? HE HAD ROBERTSON. You even acknowledge that. If you have at least 1 better option, then you have an alternative. Even bringing in Rivera is more intellient simply because it doesn’t matter what happens in the 9th if you are down 3 or 4 runs because Joba stinks

              • the Real Greg says:


                In fact he has only gone to Robertson 2 times this year.


                Why not again? Ask him.

                • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                  Well, at least Greg has finally given up denying that going to D-Rob wouldn’t have been the better option. Now he’s resorted to “I’m sure he must have had his reasons!”.

        • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

          BUT ARE CHOICES!!!!!!!!!!

          Dude forget I give up

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Of course you have a choice. That he doesn’t do it alot is irrelevant. He has done it. He can do it. And he wouldn’t even have to pitch the second inning, if that’s your big worry. They have no choice but to manage with a greater sense of urgency now. They aren’t doing that.

          • the Real Greg says:

            He’s done it 3 times. this year. 3 TIMES.

            Out of 59 appearances.

            There’s a reason for that.

            • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              Yeah, it should only be done in rare situations. Kind of like the one they were just in.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              Yeah. The reason is they weren’t in as desperate shape as they are in now. And you’re still not getting that he doesn’t absolutely have to pitch the eighth if he pitches the 7th.
              How can you still not recognize that the stakes are much higher now than they were in April, or May, or June, or July, or even August?

              • the Real Greg says:

                I get that. But other than Robertson, do you have trust in anybody to hold down that 8th inning.

                It’s different pitching in the 7th than in the 8th. The pressure is increased.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                  The pressure is increased with runners on base instead of no runners on base.
                  There’s no evidence that I’ve seen that indicates it’s any more difficult to pitch in the 8th than the 7th.
                  Closing the game – maybe?
                  7th to 8th? No, the baserunners would have a much bigger impact.

        • John says:

          Putting Joba in that situation is basically giving up. Give Robertson a chance to get out of that inning and then worry about the next.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      What law of baseball says that he has to pitch multiple innings?
      Get him, get out of the inning and take him out!

      Its stupid with the importance of this game to leave a bullet in the gun.

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      Greg you seriously can not be this thick can you? We’re up 3-0 game is a must win, two on nobody out, Kelley has been shit lately. And even if not, DRob is the guy to bring in, it’s not like they have to rest him for the stretch run dude. It’s do or die NOW. You let him at least clean up the mess and them maybe Kelley pitches the 7th in a LL situation, although Robertson for the 7th would be better. Then Kelley for the 8th.

      • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:


        1000 times


      • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        No, he can’t be. I’m amazed how most people haven’t seen it yet. Greg is a troll, and he is a first class troll. He gets way with annoying the Hell out of everybody and somehow managing to get away with it because he somehow convinced everybody that’s he’s not just fucking with us. but he SO obviously is. He has been for years. And yet somehow he still fools almost everybody.

        • the Real Greg says:

          I am not fucking with you people.

          I don’t like blaming the manager when:

          A: He didn’t serve up the home runs himself
          B: He’s given shitty tools to work with.

          • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

            You are, and you have been for years. This happens to you all the time. Despite the errors in your logic to you being exposed clearly, repeatedly, and by many people, you still REFUSE to give them up. And I’m not just talking about this.

            I don’t think you’re that stupid, Greg. I think you’re a troll.

    • Mikhel says:

      “he can get wild and walk people”

      He could, but his stats shows he has not:

      419 K’s, 141 walks lifetime.

      In a strikeout or walk scenario, 16% of those have been walks, 84% of the times strikeouts.

  204. JGYank says:

    At least Cano showed some hustle there..

  205. JGYank says:

    You either start the inning with Kelley or leave Pettitte in until he looks like he is too tired or not getting it done and he looked like he could another batter or two to me.

  206. TheStraw says:

    Kelley had stranded an impeccable number of batters on base prior to this game. It was the right move. He just didn’t get the job done.

    Joba was a bad move in a one run game.

    • Matt says:

      Kelley has allowed 8 baserunners in 2.1 IP across 5 outings lately. Even the runners he stranded on Friday were very lucky, because they hit the ball very hard and guys like Casilla are not that good.

      This was a no-brainer. Pettitte was not tiring. He had just made a mistake after making the hitter look silly for the whole rest of the at bat. Weiters was 0-3 with 2 K against Pettitte in the game already.

    • Terrence Bollea says:

      weird use of ‘impeccable’ bro

  207. Wedge says:

    Why is huff warming when we are going to need him in the third tomorrow??

  208. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    This game is kind of like the 2013 Yankees season. The first 6 innings are April and the rest are everything else.

  209. JGYank says:

    Bringing Joba in was the only bad move Joe made. Kelley might have not have gotten the job done, but you can’t say he was a bad option. He has pitched well this year.

    • Matt says:

      5 outings, 2.1 IP, 8 baserunners. Kelley was a pretty bad option, even if he was better than Joba.

      • JGYank says:

        Do you actually base important decisions on 2.1 IP?

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          DRob has been better all year, and for his entire career. Use any sample you want, Drob is the better choice.

          • JGYank says:

            He is the better choice. But he is the 8th inning guy and you know Joe’s not going to bring him in the 7th.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              He just did 2 days ago.
              Regardless, the question isn’t what Joe WOULD do, it’s what Joe SHOULD do. We know what Joe would do, because he just did it. The question is was it the right thing to do?

              • the Real Greg says:

                Well he’s won a lot of games doing what he WOULD do so why would he back off.

              • JGYank says:

                Kelley against RHB is a matchup you want. Kelley just didn’t get it done. You could of put in Robertson and let Kelley pitch the 8th or mix and match. But then you have to worry about the 8th and you don’t have Robertson to bail you out unless you leave him in and tire him out. Could of left Pettitte in too. Point is no matter what he did you could question it.

        • Mikhel says:

          When you take into account that he was able to record just 7 outs in 5 outing while putting on base 8 hitters… yes.

    • the Real Greg says:

      Now I will say I would have rather he left Logan in. But when a craftsman is given bad tools, something crappy is going to happen.

      • Mikhel says:

        Unless the craftsman is a heck of an artist. You’d shit your pants if you saw the marvelous things craftsmen have done working with wood and crappy tools for milennia. It is not about the tools, it is about how you use them.

    • rich says:

      Completely agree. Plus only two inherited runners scored off him all season. Sometimes the players don’t play. But don’t worry, I bet you guys wanted Rivera to pitch three innings.

      • Matt says:

        Wake up. 8 baserunners, 2.1 IP. He may be stranding baserunners, but it is because of luck, not good performance. Nearly every other pitcher in his bullpen outside of Joba would have been a better option.

        • JGYank says:

          2.1 IP anything can happen. Kershaw gets hit around sometimes too. That’s not even a SSS. You don’t know when guys go into slumps and when they turn things around.

        • rich says:

          YOu wake up. What other options you have, Logan, who can’t get RH out. Joba is a bum. Huff and Warren are mop-up dudes, Robertson has rarely pitched more than one inning plus Rivera who is 9th inning dude.

          After Rivera and Robertson, Kelley is your best relief pitcher. He didn’t get the job done. Why are you guys making this so difficult? He got beat with his best option at the time.

          It is that simple.

          Unless you want Robertson to do something he is not used to, get six outs. Which he has done maybe once or twice.

          • Matt says:

            Robertson doesn’t need to get 6 outs. He just needs to get 3 outs while holding on to the lead. After that point, you bring in somebody else like Kelley with the bases empty. Or you use Robertson for 4 or 5 outs, Logan for one batter, and then Rivera for 3 or 4.

            Kelley is a fly ball pitcher who gives up home runs. He is struggling lately, having walked a lot of batters and given up some very hard hit balls (it is not bad luck- watch the damn games and see what kinds of pitches he’s making).

            You can’t risk that he will finally turn it around in the biggest game of the season thus far. You simply can’t mess around there.

          • Matt says:

            And by the way, RHB are hitting .228/.303/.404 against Logan this year, as opposed to .230/.266/.292 for LHB. RHB are hitting .207/.279/.351 against Kelley and LHB .224/.310/.408.

            But Kelley has been awful lately, and Logan has been lights out. Unless it is someone like Rivera, precisely because of the small samples, you have to ride the hot hand. If a guy is struggling, then in the small sample he is far more likely to blow up than if he had a chance to go 6 or 7 innings and settle down.

          • Mikhel says:

            Kelley this season has pitched 2 innings or more 7 times, has received 6 runs on 9 hits in 14 1/3 inn.

            More than 1 inn less than 2: 9 times, good for 10 hits, 5 runs in 13 inn.

            Overall Kelley when working more than 1 inn:

            16 times for 27 1/3 inn, 19 H, 6 HR, 11 R, 12 walks, 43 K’s

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        Clever, clever, clever.
        Can’t make a coherent, rational counterpoint, so make up something to argue against.

      • Mikhel says:

        That’s because JoeG has not used him a lot with men on base, 37 in 51 games prior to today, compared to 70 in 121 games in his career, 36% of them scored.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Kelley has been very shaky lately.
      If he’s going to leave Pettitte in to get in trouble and then have a quick hook, he needs to have his best set up guy ready to get out of a potential jam. If Andy pitches well – great, Drob doesn’t have to come in until the 8th. If Andy gets in a jam they won’t let him try to work out of – they need to give themselves the best possible chance to get out of that jam. Winning is too vital to mess around with less than your best in a big situation now.

      • JGYank says:

        I agree Robertson was an option there as well. I’m just saying Kelley wasn’t a bad move. I don’t care what his last 2.1 innings are. I care what his season numbers are. Pettitte could have stayed, Kelley/Robertson could have came in and those wouldn’t be bad choices. But Joba? Just wave the white flag while you’re at it.

  210. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    New rules of baseball:

    1-Roberston can’t pitch 2 innings after a day off
    2-Roberston can’t come in during the 7th with 2 runners on just to get out of the inning.

  211. Elton Cod says:

    I wish that JoeG would think as carefully about his bullpen decisions while up 3 in the 7th as he does about decisions while down 4 in the 9th.

  212. Cesar "Stairs" Cabral says:

    Stairs in bullpen why gordo de mierda Joba get in there. Cashman failed.


  213. rich says:

    All you guys are blaming the wrong person. Blame SHAWN KELLEY who gave up the lead in four pitches and blame JOBA CHAMBERLAIN who spun a slider to Adam Jones.


    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      So if he brought Vernon Wells to pitch and Vernon Wells gave up the runs, it would be Vernon Wells’ fault they lost?
      Kelley, Joba, and Logan all absolutely deserve a ton of blame.
      Girardi not putting the team in the best possible position to win a vitally important game also deserves blame. They all failed at their jobs.

      • rich says:

        Now who sounds like an idiot.

        HE DID put his team in the best possible position. I don’t get what is so difficult for you guys to see that. If it was the 8th, or if there were one or two outs in the 7th, you would be absolutely correct. But it was no out, and six high leverage outs is extremely difficult to get even for David Robertson.

        • Matt says:

          But who is more likely to get it?

          Stop changing the goalposts.

          Girardi used to bring in Robertson in the 3rd or 4th inning to shut down a big rally before he would go to his long reliever. And many times it won them games by allowing them to come back. Too bad he doesn’t have any guts these days.

          • the Real Greg says:

            When? Show me the dates.

            • Matt says:

              Don’t try to argue if you don’t know what you are talking about.

              July 9, 2009- Brought him in with the bases loaded and 1 out in the bottom of the 4th up 5-2 to try to hold the score.

              July 31, 2009- Brought him in for the bottom of the 4th tied at 5 to try to hold the tie

              May 10, 2010- Brought him in for the 5th inning with the score at 4-2 and the bases empty to try to hold the deficit

              July 18, 2010 – Brought him in for the 3rd inning with the score tied at 3 and 2 runners on to hold the score

              October 2, 2010 – Brought him in for the 5th inning with a runner on trailing 5-3 to hold the deficit

            • Matt says:

              And don’t give me the BS that he wasn’t the “8th inning guy” at that point. He was still one of their primary set up men, and he was being used all throughout the game to shut down big rallies. In 2010, he was their 2nd best set up guy behind Kerry Wood.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          He doesn’t have to get all 6 outs.
          Preventing runs with nobody on is much easier than preventing runs with 2 runners on.
          They needed to get out of the 7th with the lead before they could worry about the 8th. DRob gave them the best chance to do that.
          Not using the 2 best relievers in a vital game they had a late lead in is definitely not giving them the best chance to win.

      • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:


  214. the Real Greg says:

    Now Girardi says in the presser that Robertson was hurt or did not feel it, then you all need to apologize.

  215. Elton Cod says:

    Derek Jeter has no business still being in this game, especially against a righty with Granderson on the bench. Unless Joe is waving the white flag. Which I guess he did, what with putting Joba fucking Chamberlain in when down 1 in the 7th against a major wildcard competitor in September.

  216. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    Baltimore – Top of 7th
    Shawn Kelley pitching for New York
    T Teagarden lined out to third.
    B Logan relieved S Kelley.
    N McLouth flied out to right.

    D Robertson relieved B Logan.

    M Machado grounded out to second.

    WHY NOT TODAY !!!!!!!!

  217. Rolling Doughnut says:

    And why is Jeter batting 2d? Somewhat rhetorical question but still.

  218. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Hat tip to the O’s though. This would have been a crushing loss for them, but they turned it around and fucked our season up the ass instead. Give ‘em credit.

  219. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Somewhat lost in today’s bullpen implosion, this is the 7th of the last 9 games that the offense has failed to score more than 3 runs.
    That’s just not going to cut it.

  220. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    This sucked!

  221. dkidd says:

    absolutely gruesome loss

    wtf girardi? say what you want about joe torre, he never left bullpen bullets in the gun (except that one time)

  222. the Real Greg says:

    You know what else..

    I wonder if the fact the Orioles already had the lead had anything to do with the decision. I know it was a one run lead, but as Need Pitching said the offense has struggled.


    Bottom line is if Cashman had gotten rid of Joba and kept Claiborne, we might not be having this discussion.

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      If Joe had taken the binder out of his ass, DRob would have given us two strong innings and a chance to win, Kelley in a LL situation would have given up ,maybe a run or two and Joba would not have thrown a single pitch.

    • Matt says:

      Or, you know, if the manager, who knows that Joba is so bad that he should only be used in a mop up role, decided to not use him in a high leverage situation?

      Funny how you will come up with tons of excuses, but conveniently leave out the one related to Joe Girardi.

      • the Real Greg says:

        Because I don’t like blaming a guy who doesn’t give up the direct blame.

        As I have said a lot, you can make the wrong move as a manager and it works and you won’t get blamed for it.

        You can make the right move and have it not work and be blamed for it.

        So in the end, there is no reason to blame him.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          So in the end, there is no reason to blame him.

          Huh? If he makes a foolish move, there is no reason to blame him?
          It is possible to think independently and use rational thought to evaluate decisions.

          • the Real Greg says:

            Not if the foolish move works.

            And I have said continuously, about not only the media but a lot of the casual fans.

            They don’t care about process. They care about results. And sometimes results don’t go your way, even if you make the right move.

            So in the end, I choose not to blame the manager because, however rare it would have been, that move could have worked.

        • Rolling Doughnut says:

          You are just screwing with our heads now Greg. You are a consummate troll.

  223. OldYanksFan says:

    BRUTAL loss! Up 3 with 9 outs to go. You simply can’t lose that game.
    And if that HR landed on the top of the fence, wasn’t it catchable? A tough play, but players go over the wall all the time. Could/should that ball have been caught?

  224. the Real Greg says:

    “He would have had to get six outs and I was not comfortable doing that”

    There is your answer. And its a valid answer

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      And its a stupid answer because he could use him for the one inning and the lesser relievers in the 8th.

      • the Real Greg says:

        Well then somebody should have questioned him on it. Nobody did. They’re too busy worrying about creating stories about the Jets.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Except it’s not.
      If he doesn’t want him to get 6 outs, fine. He can use him in the 7th and not keep him in for the 8th.
      Let him get the 3 bigger outs with runners on in the 7th.
      Then let somebody else get the clean inning in the 8th.

      • the Real Greg says:

        But as I have said, no matter who’s on base, pitching in the 7th is different then pitching in the 8th. That’s why, and here come the roles again, there is such a thing as a SETUP MAN.

        If anybody could pitch in the 8th inning, then why bother creating the role?

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Pitching in the 7th is no different than pitching in the 8th. If anything, the 7th inning tends to be the higher leverage inning.

          • the Real Greg says:

            I’m sorry. That’s BS.

            If that were true, there would be no purpose for the role of “setup man”

            But there are setup men.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              You saying it is BS doesn’t make it BS.
              Give any kind of evidence at all that it is different.
              That something exists isn’t proof that there is a valid reason for it, or that it is the best possible usage.

              • the Real Greg says:

                If there is no reason for it to exist, then why does it exist?

                The reason it exists is that managers like Torre and LaRussa made it a trendy thing to do.

                • the Real Greg says:

                  Especially Torre and that ’96 team who showed hoe having a dominant bullpen with different role players could win a World Series.

                  In fact, as I think about it, go back the Nasty Boys Reds with Charlton, Dibble, and Myers.

              • OldYanksFan says:

                And the 9th inning is no different than the 8th, which is no different than the 7th? And yet, we know not anybody can pitch the 9th. Closer by committee doesn’t work.

                And yet there is no proof the 8th is different than the 9th.
                Yet… it is.

                Strange world.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      I wonder if feels “comfortable ” with letting the game slip away while having Roberston sitting on his ass.

    • Rolling Doughnut says:

      Two for the price of one. Not an answer and not valid.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      BTW just guess how many outs Roberston got in the first game


      • the Real Greg says:

        No he got 4. He went 1.1 innings.

        • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

          Sorry your right he faced 6 and got 4.

          • the Real Greg says:

            THANK YOU

          • the Real Greg says:

            Don’t bother with my two comments below, it was before I saw this.

            Robertson has pitched 2.0 only once this year and those were against Tampa Bay and he pitched the 8th and 9th inning because probably Rivera was not available.

            So the only time Girardi has used Robertson for six outs is when Mo was not available.

            • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

              So he used him in a important against Tampa Bay, but not today.

              Yep totally makes sense.

              • the Real Greg says:

                When Mo was not available.

                Who they were playing made no difference. If they were playing the Astros and Mo was not available, he would have done the same thing.

      • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

        M Machado grounded out to second.
        A Jones grounded out to shortstop.
        C Davis walked.
        J Hardy struck out swinging.
        N Markakis singled to center
        D Valencia flied out to right.

        Sorry Joe your excuse

        SUCKS ASS!!!!!

        • the Real Greg says:


          Look at the bottom line and see what that says.

        • the Real Greg says:

          Just reread your post.

          Oh my god. You have admitted that he only got 4 outs. Which, in my knowledge, IS LESS THAN 6.


          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            If he can only get 3 or 4 outs, let him get the highest leverage 3-4 outs possible, and let the lesser relievers get the lower leverage outs.

          • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

            2 outs that Logan, Mo, Kelly, Huff, Warren, etc couldn’t get in lower leverage

            Makes sense to me.

            • the Real Greg says:

              Apparently not.

              Because just because you start with a clean inning in the 8th doesn’t mean that the pressure is gone. It might be less, but the pressure is still there.

              That’s why there are “setup men” in the first place. If anybody could get two outs, then there would be no purpose for them.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                It might be less

                It is less. That’s the point. It’s easier to prevent runs with nobody on than with 2 runners on. Of course there is still pressure. But it is an easier situation to navigate. It makes all kinds of sense to use the best relievers to navigate the more difficult situations.

    • Mikhel says:

      And that’s the reason why JoeG sucks and it is a stupid. He’s perpetually thinking ahead of time:

      “Oh my god, Robertson said he doesn’t want to pitch two innings, then I can’t use it even for one inning, I need to keep him available for the 8th if the O’s don’t take the lead.”

      • the Real Greg says:

        Yeah, thinking like that only has gotten him:

        A: NL manager of the Year with the Marlins and they haven’t been the same since the owner stupidly fired him

        B: A World Series ring as a manager

        C: 3 division titles (I think)

        D: A team with garbage talent to 8 games over .500

        That sounds stupid to me.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          You do realize that has nothing to do with anything.
          It’s entirely possible he does something in not the best possible way, and still do all of that.
          It’s entirely possible for a manager to have many weaknesses, and for the team to still be able to overcome that.
          Being a manager with some success doesn’t mean that manager does nothing wrong, or nothing stupid.

          • the Real Greg says:

            If a bad manager job could be overcome by a team, then why have a manager of the year award in the first place?

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              Who’s says that bad manager would win Manager of the Year.
              A great player can finish on a last place team and win MVP, so why have an MVP in the first place?
              It’s a subjective award. Because people like to give out awards.

        • JGYank says:

          Managers get too much credit and too much blame. It usually all comes down to the players.

  225. OldYanksFan says:

    A bottom line here is that to make the PS, almost everyone has to perform. The offense, SP and RP. Today, the RP didn’t do it. Girardi sometimes makes head scratching decisions, but the bottom line is the Boys have to get it done. It’s a lot to ask, and very improbable.

  226. Wheels says:

    Crestfallen after this loss.

  227. mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

    On August 25th Joe use Roberston for 2 innings vs the Rays in a important game Yanks were 3.5 from a playoff spot and Mo wasn’t available.

    7 DAYS later more important spot having Mo and Joe is “not comfortable doing that”


    Anyone please


    • the Real Greg says:

      Again, the ONLY reason Joe used him for two that day is because Mo was not available

      Today, Mo was available.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      New Baseball law:

      3- Roberston can only pitch 2 innings if Mo is unavailable the importance of the game doesn’t matter this rule should never be broken.

    • ialien says:

      cause robertson tends to put people on base before closing the inning, so putting him in with 2 on is a recipe for trouble.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        Robertson has the lowest WHIP of any of their relievers. All of the other relievers allow more baserunners.

        • JGYank says:

          We know. Robertson is our best reliever probably even better than Mo. But we’re not at the point where managers use their best guys in big spots and stop assigning their guys an inning.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            They absolutely are at that point.
            They are in desperate shape if they want to make the playoffs. They essentially need to be managing/playing like they are in the playoffs now.

            • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

              THIS !!!

            • JGYank says:

              I meant managers haven’t adopted that philosophy yet. Bullpen management changes over time though and that is probably what is next. I agree we need to win every game possible and have our best out there but you also can’t run those guys into the ground like what the Braves did with their pen in 2011 leading to their collapse.

              • the Real Greg says:

                Correct. The philosophy for managers for the last 10-15 years has been:

                Player X pitches in the 8th inning
                Player Y pitches in the 9th inning and there is very little wiggle room.

                Whether its wrong or not is of no consequence because if we are going to get after one manager for it, we have to get after all of them in fairness.

                • JGYank says:

                  Whether all managers do it or not, it still is of consequence since it probably costed us the game.

                  • the Real Greg says:

                    I don’t know because we were already down a run when Joba came in.

                    Is Johnson still closing for them?

                    • JGYank says:

                      Think so. But you can almost say for sure if you put a different RP in any of those high leverage spots you’ll get different results, and anything was better than what happened today. Could of possibly came back had Joba not been put in.

                      The Kelley and Logan screw ups cost us the lead, but putting Joba in cost us any chance of winning. So anyone would be a better option there. But Kelley and Logan got us to that point in the first place. So the entire pen screwed up and Girardi did as well. Offense wasn’t great either. Only one who escapes blame is Pettitte cuz of the 6 scoreless innings.

          • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

            They were at that point on Friday when he took CC and manage the rest of game like a playoff game.

            • the Real Greg says:

              Yes, but in that game Robertson pitched 1.1 innings including the full 8th.

              It is clear now that Joe Girardi wants David Robertson to pitch the 8th inning fully, by hook or by crook.

              And he said that he was not comforatable having him pitch 2 innings, the only time he’s done it this year was because Mo was not available.

              • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

                So again the importance of the game doesn’t matter the only reason to break the Robertson’s rules is if Mo is unavailable.

                Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

                The only logic and I use the term loosely for this move was Joe thinking that he won the series and that there was no need to go to extremes. And if that was his thinking somebody needs to send that man a schedule and the a copy of the current wild card standings.

                • JGYank says:

                  I think he just felt comfortable with Kelley against RHBs and a 3-0 lead. Not much else to it.

                  • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

                    ok. If that the case have Robertson warm-up the minute M Wieters singled play time is over bring in the big gun.

                    • JGYank says:

                      I agree. Bringing in Logan didn’t accomplish anything and then Joba just added fuel to the fire as usual. Clairborne needed to be on the team for situations exactly like this one when Kelley couldn’t get it done and we needed one more competent RHP. But I felt fine with Kelley coming in with a 3 run lead and I’m sure you did as well.

                    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:


                      I could of lived with this move under different circumstances i.e. if Robertson had been used the day before or been overused.
                      But not like this and the fact that the A’s swept the Rays only makes it 10 worse IMO.

            • JGYank says:

              See reply to Need Pitching & Hitting.

      • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

        So giving up 7 runs and losing is not trouble.

        Ok then

  228. Pat D says:

    After skimming through everything on here from the last time I posted, I suddenly remembered why I’ve been avoiding game threads for a while.

    • mustang (The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013) says:

      i’m going to start.

    • JGYank says:

      It was really quiet before the homer.

      • Pat D says:

        That’s my point.

        It was quiet, and then once that happened this whole thread turned into……


        Well, as George Harrison once said, I don’t need your wah wah.

        • JGYank says:

          That’s to be expected when the team blows an important game down the stretch that we should of won. Every game is crucial but obviously fans overreact to everything.

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