Sep
14

Saturday Night Open Thread

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It’s been a while — too long, really — since we last saw a dominant CC Sabathia, so I figured that video would serve as a good reminder of what the big man looked like at his best. I don’t think he’ll ever get back to being that guy but I do hope he can rebound to be better than he has been this year. It’s been ugly.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. MLB Network will air a game tonight and who you see depends on where you live. Chances are it’ll be a game that has some meaning to the Yankees and their playoff chase. There’s also college football on somewhere. Talk about whatever you like here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Frank

    He won’t. He’s a 5-6 inning, 100+ pitches, pitcher. The saving grace perhaps is he’s durable and you can throw him out there every 5 days. But he can’t beat the RS or the Rays and that’s a huge problem.

    • stuart a

      he also makes about 23 Mill a year. another too long and to expensive contract but hey give cano 8 years.

      joke…

      • Joey

        8 years, I bet Hank will step in to sign him to a 10 year deal just like he did with A-Rod just to prove he can spend like his daddy.

        • Ortiz=steroid

          Nope. Hank has been castrated. Hal runs the show.

          • Joey

            Well I think he needs to go too. Let the ghost of the boss run the team.

    • Joey

      There is no saving grace with this guy. Another horrible deal by our great front office. The first contract was good but they should’ve never extended him to keep him from opting out of his deal.

      • Ortiz=steroid

        So you were OK with letting him opt out? Just asking. Hindsight is 20/20.

        • Joey

          Actually yeah, They got the WS ring. Obviously they would’ve needed a replacement for him but I think they should’ve let him test the market.

          Unless he gains 50lbs in the offseason, then I will very happy to have him. We Need Big Pitchers!!!! :-)

        • radnom

          It was clear it would be an ugly deal from day one, but it was also extremely necessary in the short term. The problem was that the team was totally handicapped by its inability to develop pitching that CC had all the leverage in the world. They had a win-now roster that could only win with a strong number one, and he was the only one on the market.

          • radnom

            By deal, I’m referring to the second deal of course.

            • Ortiz=steroid

              Exactly, radnom. Good post.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          That’s how fans are especially Yankee fans. CC gives them 4 great yrs and is having a terrible season by his own admission and now he is a waste. Drob had a great season but had the blowup when the Yankees were up by what 5 or so runs and he got booed off the mound.

          • Kenny

            Yep, that’s how we are.

            Hey, man, remember that saying, “It’s great to be young and a Yankee”? (Ripped off from a Giants saying). These players love coming to the Stadium, suiting up in pinstripes, seeing the WS flags flying, wondering if one day they’ll get a monument. And blah and blah.

            And also X million dollars a year for playing a game we all played as kids.

            Do great, and it’s the roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd. Hooray.

            Screw up, and get booed off the mound.

            There’s no crying in baseball. No sympathy. No gratitude. If these guys want all that, work for the city, open a nice hardware store, teach, etc. You’ll get gratitude, won’t get booed.

            • Joey

              THANK YOU! pro sports are a what have you done for me lately business. These guys are big boys, they can take a little booing.

              • John

                Or you could act like an adult with the ability of logic and reason.

                • Joey

                  Or you could go fuck yourself. Either or, whatever!

                  • John

                    Thanks for proving my point.

                    • Joey

                      Well don’t be a little bitch. What does getting down on your team have to do with being an adult? Let people have their fun and rant away. You guys who put people down for ranting AREN’T BETTER THAN THE REST OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    • The Big City of Dreams

                      Nothing wrong with ranting because everyone has done it but it’s the little shit that gets out of hand. Some fans have this weird belief that every player should bleed pinstripes but at that first sign of trouble that same fan turns on the player only to hope back on that bad wagon when the player retires and many yrs and passed.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Of course if they don’t perform they will get booed they know that what I’m saying is there seems to be fans that want perfection. Even before this down season for CC he was being trashed and labeled a fake ace. If you’re a top player why come and play here when you’ll be booed if you stumble a few times or thrown under the bus after one bad season. Hey we all get frustrated at players but sometime sit’s just dumb. But I can’t be surprised these are the same fans that booed Mo back in 05.

  • stuart a

    did not see the game but CC is horrible. his #’s are putrid.

    there pitching is in shambles…

    no whining on the pen being toast, kelly been off at lest the last 2 games and same for robertson and Mo.

    can ichiro be any more of a waste??? he stinks…

    • Joey

      The bullpen is taxed and it’s all the SP’ers faults. None of them can go deep in to games. 100+ pitches thru 3 or 4 innings against the red sox is pathetic. PUT HITTERS AWAY!!!!!

      • Bob Buttons

        Do we even WANT the bullpen to come in at this point?

  • Kenny

    It was depressing to hear McCarver going on about the Y’s poor farm system, salary cap, contracts, and such. The whole baseball world’s watching this org as it gets ready to fall over.

    • Joey

      It’s pathetic that McCarver of all people is pointing out what the Yankees are doing wrong but the Yankees don’t seem to see it. Maybe they do but don’t know how to fix it. Either way it’s not good.

  • Noah

    That made me feel so good to watch.

  • Joey

    What a pathetic attempt at baseball that was today. Nothing like getting completely out-classed by better players, better team and better organization. The Yankees look completely lost when they play the Red Sox. What is the point of trying to make the playoffs? Can’t even stay competitive with the Red Sox, can’t beat the Tigers, Can’t beat the Rays, can’t beat the A’s… Why bother? Just to say they made the playoffs???? And it’s only going to get worse! What washed up player will they overpay this offseason while letting real talent slip through their fingers? I don’t know how they will field a competitive team next year. They have no starting pitchers, no relievers, no hitters, no young players to fill holes and because of the budget and HORRIBLE players they have under mega-contracts who can’t stay health or give them even replacement level production they will have no money to spend. AWESOME, WAY TO BE, DON’T CHANGE A THING! George Steinbrenner would be ashamed of what his wonderful children are doing to this team. Ugh…

    • stuart a

      the red sux were a better organization last year when they won what 70 games and finished last.

      more astute yankee fans with the patience of a dog and the memory of a person with alzheimers…

      • Joey

        The Red Sox were able to make a deal the made their future much brighter… That was pretty astute of them…. Or am I remembering that wrong because I’m not an astute Yankee fan with Zen like patients and the memory of an elephant like you? HMMMM…

        • Rolling Doughnut

          They also did get lucky with that deal. Kind of a right time right place thing. But Stuart’s ad hominem rants are pretty lame.

          • Joey

            But they made the deal when it was there. Would the Yankees pull the trigger if they had the chance to make a big deal?

            • Rolling Doughnut

              Very good question. And I don’t like what I think the answer would be.

    • Ortiz=steroid

      Steinbrenner worship. Stow it. The Yankees went from 1981 to 1996 between WS appearances BECAUSE of George’s inept handling of this storied franchise. And the dynasty of core beloved players was built in spite of him, while he was banned (for the second time) from baseball for conspiring with a known gambler who he paid 40,000.00 to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield. Now another dry spell is coming because the farm system is bare You young kids have no idea what it’s like to watch Ron Hassey, Rick Cerrone, Wayne Tolleson, not to mention Jim mason, Horace Clarke and Ron Blomberg. Strap in. It’s gonna suck for a while.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        I remember all those guys. I’m still pissed that Tresh got rookie of the year and then shit the bed. I also agree with your post.

        • Ortiz=steroid

          Rolling: I forgot Celerino Sanchez….!!!!!

          • Rolling Doughnut

            ARGHHHHHHH

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Train wreck that should have been seen coming. An old creaky team will inevitably break down. Jeter’s done at short, and he’s probably not good enough anymore to DH. But they’ll send him out there anyway. ARod’s PED induced crumbling body won’t stand the rigors of a full season, maybe you can DH him, but still he’s 38 years old and can only decline further. Tex has been slowly slipping into mediocrity for the last few years now, Granderson has pop but with 200 Ks you ask if it’s worth it. Yes if he hits 40 HR no if it’s 20-25. All in all, they need to cover 3B, SS, 1B, C and RF. Then there’s the pitching. Andy and Kuroda are old. The former should retire and the latter, well, if you’re ok with him tanking in Aug-Sept then resign him. CC may make the transition to finesse pitcher but probably not. in any case they are stuck with him. Nova becomes the de facto ace but he has not proved himself by any stretch of the imagination. DRob can’t close, and there’s no stellar prospect there either. Maybe Kelley and Claiborne will mature but they still need a closer. The team needs a rebuild but it’s no use looking to the farm because after throwing money around in the mid 2000s they were left scrambling this year, getting junk retreads like Hafner, Wells and Ichiro, they have nobody down there ready for the big time. The argument that they were struck by unforeseen injuries is legit to some extent but not unexpected either, considering the age of the team.

    In sum, if you neglect the minors and you close the money tap, there’s not really a whole lot you can do. The Sox got lucky with the Dodgers deal. Don’t see that in the cards for us.

    • Joey

      Glad to see I’m not the only one going on a rant :-)

      • Rolling Doughnut

        And I even left out what I was going to say about Girardi’s binder-bound management of the pen.

        • Joey

          I think Girardi has been one of the only positives for this team. He’s willing to go out on the field and give it his all, too bad his players don’t feel the same. How Girardi doesn’t beat them in the clubhouse is a mystery to me.

          The only complaint I have has been his love affair with Chris Stewart. His bullpen use has been a little frustrating at times but over all he’s done well in that area.

          • Rolling Doughnut

            I agree, generally. But he should be less rigid in his moves, especially with the pen, given the team he’s had to work with, IMHO. What on earth was Claiborne doing last night in such a HL situation, given his terrible Aug, and his putrid showing against the Sox at YS last week? Joe even had Joba getting loose. A recipe fot disaster. I’d much rather have seen Betances or even Zagursky. Joe insists on sticking with “his” guys, even when they are proven shit.

            • stuart a

              rolling doughnut would be whining like a little girl if girardi used agurski last night and he gave up a 3 run homer.

              btw zagurski is like 30 and basically another guy.

              • Joey

                So then you say Claiborne was the right move or are you just going to disagree with what anyone says to try to feel smarter than everyone else?

              • Rolling Doughnut

                Yes, I would have used Zagursky instead of Claiborne, although I’d rather have seen Betances and no I would not have whined if either one had gotten shelled. Actually, I never whine, even as a kid I never whined. Learn the difference between a (valid) rant and wining. But go fuck yourself first.

                • Joey

                  YEAH!

            • Joey

              Yeah, I’d like to see Betances get a shot. At least him arm is fresh. AT worst he gives up runs and blows leads like every of reliever has been all month.

    • stuart a

      gardner just turned 30 he got hurt. phelps is 26. ervelli like 26. pineda is what 24.nuno is what 25, banuelos what 21. i thought only old guys get hurt!!!

      grandy just turned 31.. the age arguement is overdone… plenty of younger yankee players have gotten hurt.

      whine all you want they are not deep and there system does need improvement but they have had a ton of injuries more then any team in baseball by far…

      • Rolling Doughnut

        You are right. They have had more than their share of injuries, but Gardner (101 wrc+), Granderson (119 wrc+) and Cervelli (93 wrc+) would hardly have catapulted us past the Sux.

    • Wheels

      The truth hurts.

    • Silvio

      There were guys right hereat RAB who were predicting this shit a couple years ago and got hooted at.

      Sox didn’t get “lucky.” They saw an opportunity and they had the balls to take it.

      • JGYank

        They were lucky they had the opportunity. Few teams get the opportunity to wash away most of their mistakes while getting prospects in return.

    • JGYank

      Why can’t Drob close? He had like 2 save opportunities and now everyone is shitting bricks because they think he is only an 8th inning guy.

  • stuart a

    sabathias deterioration has killed the yanks in so many ways.

    if he was last years sabathia they would have at least 4 more wins and the pen would be a lot more rested etc.

    he is a bad # 5 starter and that is not hyperbole….

    he has been really bad for at least 15 starts…

    • Joey

      Astute, Hyperbole… Someone is using the word-a-day desk calendar Santa gave them for Christmas!

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Oh, I thought he meant hyperbola, which were the trajectories of CC’s hanging sliders off the Boston bats.

        • Joey

          He tried. Give him credit.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    We’ll finish with 85 to 88 wins. I won’t be proud of them. I won’t be disappointed either. It’s pretty much what we expected before the season started. What’s to be disappointed about?

    They are what they are. Oh well.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      What’s to be disappointed about?

      ———————-

      I think more ppl have a problem with the FO than the players at this point. Sure their are guys in the crosshairs but so much has been said about 189 that a portion of the fans smell blood in the water.

      • Ortiz=steroid

        I agree, I don’t see the point in telling your customers that the motivating force behind the franchise is not winning, but getting below a certain payroll instead. That’s like a bakery telling their customers that there will be less jelly in the jelly donuts. Why announce such a thing?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          *throws down donut in disgust*

        • The Big City of Dreams

          True and that’s all we heard all off season. I think Hal assumed this would be received better by the fan base. For yrs fans of other teams would tweak us about the payroll. So they kill two birds with one stone. Fans don’t hear about guys bitching about Yankee spending and Hal gets to reset the tax.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’ll be proud that they stuck it out for longer than most gave them credit for. Are they what I thought they were at the start of the season? Yup, most definitely.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Also, it’s still not definitely over. That series with the Rays is humongo.

  • Pat D

    Hello, neighbors.

    Where’s my bourbon?

    Don’t you fucking look at me!!

  • WhittakerWalt

    I like seeing Nate McClouth strike out twice.

    • HateMclouth (formerly I’mVernon)

      Me too.

      • Pat D

        I like the way he dies……oops, thinking about a scene from Django Unchained.

  • Pat D

    Can I just ask everyone a quick question? Yes? Good.

    Is the rest of this season and the whole off-season on here just going to be constant whining, bitching and armchair-GM’ing about how this team sucks, how they’re doomed in the future, how every other organization is better run and how everyone else isn’t a real fan?

    Serious question, because if it is, I know I can stop reading the comments.

    • Bo Knows

      I’ve just about given up trying to read these crap comments, personally….I always tried to defend my fellow Yankee fans, but honestly it really does seem like the stereotypes were true that many of my fellow fans truly are spoiled, ungrateful, whiny, fairweather, little bitches.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Oh I don’t know. I think some valid points were made. You can be a staunch fan and lay into your team, as long as the arguments are reasonably sound. You confuse whining with ranting, the latter of which is ok with me as long as the rants are valid and not ad hominem. Otherwise, we just may as well sit back and enjoy the ride and talk the same sanitized crap they do on the tube.

        • Joey

          They say whining to make themselves feel superior. Fans get frustrated and fans do get irrational. Can anyone honestly say that they never had some kind of superstition that they repeated because they thought it was helping??? It’s just as big a part of the game as steroids, HA! :)

          • Rolling Doughnut

            Steroids? Not on MY team. Stop whining. ARod is the victim of a witch hunt, our guys juicing? I’d be shocked, shocked..

            • Joey

              And they don’t use chewing tobacco either, that’s just brown gum!

      • nsalem

        It’s not all the fans, it’s just the same 10 or 15 people making the same comments over again ad nauseam. They seem to make a majority of the comments and it makes very boring reading.

        • Pat D

          This is pretty much what I’m saying. Thank you for being much more articulate.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          Great, so put up some interesting baseball commentary. Start a thread yourself. Have something to say instead of just criticizing analysis you don’t like.

          • nsalem

            Mentioning that Chris Stewart sucks and shouldn’t be in the line-up day in and day out is
            not analysis. Calling CC Sabathia feces every time he gives up another hit is not analysis nor clever. Most people here agree with your opinion that Stewart is not a first string catcher and CC is having a really terrible season. I think that the annoyance sets in with many people when it is repeated over and over again. Indeed you do have the right to say what you want as much as you want. I have no argument with that. In turn anyone else has the right to say that a majority of your comments is from from analysis and more like the whining of a raggy little bitch.

    • Troll

      Yes, yes it is…. Fucker

      • Pat D

        Aww, missed you too, sweetie.

        • George

          Is that serious? I can’t tell because you didn’t tell us if it was serious.

          • Pat D

            Did you post that as “Troll?” If not, you must not be aware of the history between me and THE Troll.

    • George

      Fans complain about their teams, this is nothing new. It’s you guys on your soap box who think you are too informed or too smart or too good to complain. You MARKS complain about the fans complaining, how is your complaining somehow justified? You all state how you will stop reading the comments yet you all keep commenting. Get off your high horse.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Well said.

      • Pat D

        I don’t think any of those things about myself. I complain about this team all the time. I just don’t do it on here ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

        Look, I don’t begrudge anyone complaining about the team. But since last offseason it’s been nothing but the same generalized whining and bitching and it’s become more than tiresome to read. That’s all I’m saying. I think that is also what’s misunderstood on this site all too often. When me and other people “complain about people complaining,” which is a valid counterpoint, it’s because we’re hearing the same people saying the same shit over and over again. I honestly don’t understand why people would come on a message board and post the same stuff over and over again. Do you need someone else to validate your opinion for some reason? I used to feel that way, and then I realized that’s a pretty futile, thankless feeling, especially in this internet age. Everyone on the internet will have an opinion, and most people are going to disagree with you. But everyone on the internet takes things so personally. Unfortunately that won’t change.

        At this point in time, I have a lot of other more important things to do than listen to whining on this site. Does that mean I’m on a “high horse?” If you say so. But I don’t fucking care what you think. So bitch away if you must, but if I decide to show up and tell you that your post is stupid, I’ll do it.

        Happy posting.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          I don’t take what you post personally. I just do not agree with it. I have seen some of the posts of the people I presume you are saying always complain, and I have read some seriously knowledgeable baseball commentary from them. Analysis you do not like to read doesn’t necessarily constitute whining or complaining and you are in no position to decide which comments are legit and which are not.

          • Pat D

            See, now this is where I would say you’re on a high horse. Yes, I know you didn’t say that.

            First of all, nothing posted in the comments of this site can honestly be truly described as “analysis.” It’s just the unqualified opinion of a fan. “Commentary,” sure, but I’m not going to regard anything as “analysis.” It’s all just opinion. Of course that’s all any kind of analysis is, but it’s not like we’re paid for it like professionals are or have any kind of first hand experience like professionals do.

            You’re still missing my point as to what constitutes “whining” and “complaining,” too.

            • Rolling Doughnut

              Excuse my inarticulate description, delete analysis and substitute opinion if you want, but I’ve read many posts here that satisfy the definition of analysis–Axisa usually posts analyses for example. When I make a point, using stats to back up my argument, I’d call that analysis. And yes, you’re right, I really don’t understand what your point is. Near as I can figure, you take exception to posts criticizing the FO or Joe’s managerial hiccups.

              • Pat D

                Your figuring is wrong. If you honestly think that I’m not critical of the front office or Girardi’s decision making, you’re wrong. I just don’t bother to post about it over and over again like a lot of people do.

                Also, I never accused you of being inarticulate. Chill.

              • nsalem

                Mentioning that Chris Stewart sucks and shouldn’t be in the line-up day in and day out is not analysis. Calling CC Sabathia feces every time he gives up another hit is not analysis nor clever. Most people here agree with your opinion that Stewart is not a first string catcher and CC is having a really terrible season. I think that the annoyance sets in with many people when it is repeated over and over again. Indeed you do have the right to say what you want as much as you want. I have no argument with that. In turn anyone else has the right to say that a majority of your comments is from from analysis and more like the whining of a raggy little bitch.

                • Rolling Doughnut

                  Well yes I do overuse the feces meme but of all my posts today for instance I think I mentioned our fecally challenged hurler only once or twice. and.. I have only shit on Stewart a few times in all my posts. I will admit to calling Nuñez stonehands all the time though.

        • Joey

          Well if they’d just win all the time we wouldn’t have this problem. BOOM, no more whining, complaining or bitching. Damn, with these problem solving skills I should be president

          • Pat D

            Who was the last president to solve a problem? Lincoln? OK, maybe FDR.

            • Joey

              Clinton solved the problem of the fat bitches at the white house weren’t getting any lovin’. Does that count?

              • Rolling Doughnut

                Best post of the evening. Kudos sir.

              • Pat D

                Well played, Mauer.

          • Rolling Doughnut

            LOL. I still say what guys (or gals) like Pat D call whining are, with a few exceptions, reasonably well thought out arguments. But then my bar is pretty low I guess. I’m from NY after all.

            • Pat D

              If you’re referring to my comment from below, I was not being critical of New Yorkers. I was saying I can’t speak for them since I am not one of them.

              If you’re not referring to my comment from below, I apologize for over-inferring.

              • Rolling Doughnut

                No I wasn’t. I’m referring to the general definition of whining vs commenting.

    • whozat

      No, no, no! There will ALSO be absurd trade proposals that net the Yankees young, cost-controlled players in exchange for a grab-bag of players who had a hot couple of months in A-ball at age 24.

      • Joey

        Stanton for Nunez!!!! How can they not do it, it makes sooo much sense! Well just tell the Marlins how great he is. :-)

        • Pat D

          Were you around to see some of DI’s trade proposals over the last year and a half?

          • Joey

            Its fun to play GM but no one who comments on a baseball blog honestly has any idea what goes on in these negotiations, how other teams value the Yankee players and what a team really wants for a player until the trade is done. I love reading all the trade proposals. On that note I just read on MLBTradeRumors.com that Troy Tulowitzki might be available. So Let’s make that a 3 way trade where the Yankees end up with Tulowitzki and Stanton and only give up Nunez. I don’t see how Colo or Mia could not do that deal!!!! :-)

            • Pat D

              Sounds good to me. Fax that proposal to Cash. After he ignores it, send it to Levine or Hal.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          Nah, just send someone from Jersey up there to make him an offer he can’t refuse.

          • Joey

            And that offer would be come play for us or we’ll send you to Jersey! JK, love you Jersey!

    • Steve

      You and your boys are the ones that constantly question people’s fanhoods and whine and bitch about how they whine and bitch. Are you guys above the fray somehow?

      • Pat D

        I’m sorry, I’m a trifle deaf in one ear, you’ll have to speak up.

      • Steve’s Mom

        Poor little Stevie. Come here and let mommy take care of you. Are the other kids not letting you play with them again? Maybe if you act nice and stop throwing their toys, they’ll let you in every once in a while. Here, have a little bit from the titty….

        • Steve

          Hilarious, as always. Tired of the tried and true spelling jokes and the always reliable “Cashman Failed” meme, huh? Just so witty!

          • Steve

            Maybe even work a burrito joke as an homage to another internet forum poster who left long ago

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

    MAJOR STUPIDITY ALERT:

    Watching the 9th inning of tonight’s Kansas City/Detroit game, Mario Impemba and Rod Allen were discussing Jim Leyland and the fact that he does not fancy the idea of pinch running for either Miguel Cabrera or Prince Fielder in late innings, even if they represent the potential tying run, because he does not like the idea of not having their bats available if the game goes into extra innings. At the time, Prince was on 1st and the Royals led 1-0.

    In accordance to this, Prince was not pinch run for. With two outs and a 2-2 count, Omar Infante lined one right down the LF line, but Fielder was thrown out at the plate, thanks in part to an exceptional play by Salvador Perez. But that’s notwithstanding. You could insert almost ANYBODY ELSE into that situation, and they probably score, possibly without a throw.

    I could sense that possibility unfolding as soon as I heard Rod and Mario discussing Leyland’s “strategy” there. I’m sorry, but when you are losing by a run, you can’t manage in your comfort zone. Sure, you want Prince available if the game goes extras. You know what else? You want to ensure the game goes extras first. Leyland bit off more than he could chew. Tigers lose.

    • Pat D

      I suppose you could also call that a “Torre.”

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek/ Roadgeek Adam

      The pure fact that you listen to Mario and Rod should tell the faults in the argument.

  • ialien

    it’s not that yankee fans are fairweather fans. Fact is, New Yorkers are fairweather fans.

    It happened in the 80s when the mets won the world series. it happened in 1998 when parcells joined the jets. There were no jet fans in existence until that year.

    as the yankees descend to mediocrity thanks to self induced payroll caps to increase hals profits, yankee fans of today will be met fans IF the mets become playoff contenders.

    that’s just how the big apple works.

    • Pat D

      I think there is something to what you say. I’m not a New Yorker, so I can’t say for sure, but those are trends that I remember.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’ll take the bait on this one. God help me.

        No, I don’t think New Yorkers are fairweather fans. Not in the least. Seriously try saying that to a Mets fan, a Knicks fan, or a fan of either NFL team. I’ll even double down on this by reminding everyone that “New Yorker” is much more of a mindset than a representation of where you were born. As we all know, New York can be a very transient town. This is why I’m good friends with several, for example, San Francisco Giants fans, or why I’ve always got a couple of Red Sox fans hanging around, or fans of pretty much about half of the NFL. Those people certainly haven’t abdicated their fandom for their team of choice despite identifying as “New Yorkers.”

        Are the Yankees different? Look, we’ve got an entire generation of fans that haven’t really been battle-tested. They’re going to have to figure out whether they’re actually Yankee fans or, say, fans of the Core Four. I pretty much decided I’m a fan of the 1986 New York Giants, and that I haven’t really liked anyone on that team since Ray Handley became coach, but I digress. I’d love for all these newer fans who’ve been through this almost twenty-year run to stick around. If they don’t, I don’t care. The Yankees will still have the biggest global fanbase of any team in baseball…..and they’ll be back. Being a global juggernaut like the Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, etc., means more casual fans, and those fans will be more likely to drop in and out. It is what it is.

        Yes, I showed up to the 6th grade in ’86 and, suddenly, half the kids were wearing Mets caps. It was the sixth fucking grade. I don’t really think I should be holding that as an example of much. All of the folks I’ve known since ’86 who wore Mets caps then are still wearing them now. Same with Yankee fans.

        I spent plenty of years doing what you see folks do here, yelling at the manager, yelling at ownership, wanting the manager fired, etc. I’m not saying I’m above that now, but I’d like to think that knowing you’re that fan that’s in this for life means that you know that what goes around will always come around.

        In other words, Pat, not that we hadn’t figured this out already, but the guy above you doesn’t have a fucking clue what he’s talking about.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          OK at the risk of getting plonked, I would like to point out that valid ranting is not the same thing as yelling. There may be better ways to make an argument, if that is what you are saying, I agree. But if you go through my original post, and the one before mine-Joey’s-I think you’ll see some solid commentary, albeit with the volume turned up. To say I don’t know what I am talking about without bothering to refute the arguments is no argument. Oh, I’ve been a Yankee fan before you were born. No need to lecture me or anyone else I’d venture, on what the definition of fan is or should be. Cheers.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Well, you’re plonking yourself there since I wasn’t referring to you, or this thread, anywhere in my comment.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              (Other than insulting the guy who made the original comment.)

              • Rolling Doughnut

                Wow egg on my face. And they say pot doesn’t really make you paranoid. LOL.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Speak for yourself, I’ve been a Yankee fan for all of my 50 years. Well, 45 of them. So I got to see guys like Jake (you think Stewart is bad) Gibbs and Dooley (fucking) Womack. Only later in my late teens did I read about the Kekich-Peterson wife swap though. In those days, we still had illusions. The press kept it secret for about ten years, before Bouton showed us what was what in the baseball universe.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Rumor had it, in fact, that Petersen’s mechanics were as bad off the field as on, which is why Kekich was brought in in relief, by Petersen’s manager– his wife.

      • Pat D

        Totally serious question here: why didn’t you just say you’re a lifelong Yankees fan? Why bother to say you had to endure players of such a low caliber?

        • Rolling Doughnut

          Because ialien was talking about ow NYers are farweather fans, and I simply pointed out that I am from NY and am not a fairweater fan. Proof of which necessitated bringing up my horrible experience as a kid watching the Yankees lose–and never giving up on them. How’s that? OK?

          • Pat D

            Forget it. Just…forget it.

            I could tell you what my point is, you’ll find fault with it, we’ll go forever in meaningless circles.

            • Rolling Doughnut

              Actually, the circles are not meaningless. I think I made my points cogently. If you want to take your balls I mean ball and go home ok by me. I sincerely do not know what you are trying to say. You just seem like a guy looking for trouble on a Sat night. But then, what else am I gonna think, being from Queens..and not being a Mets fan?

              • Pat D

                Oh, a manhood joke. How clever you think you are. You may have made your points cogently, but so did I.

                Your problem is you don’t seem to consider that you might be wrong. You have a very high opinion of yourself. You and others might think I have a very high opinion of myself, but I actually do not. For one thing, I really don’t consider anything I say on this site to be of any importance. The whole point of my post was to see what kind of responses I’d get to accusing people of doing nothing but constant whining. I got the kind of responses that I expected.

                The Yankees just aren’t the most important thing in my life right now. So I probably won’t bother to post as much. I ain’t gonna eat out my heart anymore.

                As for you, arguing with someone who refuses to consider that he might be wrong is pointless. O:S.

                • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

                  I’m so glad O:S has remained a thing, even long after Bo/Sal/Grant/Lanny had disappeared from the RAB-osphere.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Hey, I actually have kept up with my O:S of Greg for MUCH longer than I thought I would.

                    They’re still with us in spirit, KA. Just scroll up.

                  • Pat D

                    I thought good ol’ Rose was the one for which O:S was created.

                • Ortiz=steroid

                  Donut…..I, too am 50. I like reading all the posts on this forum. The younger guys are great sources of information, and some of the criticism and analysis is impressive. I always laugh (if I get the reference!). It’s like sports talk radio. When you get tired of the complaining, or if the topic doesn’t blow your skirt up, change the channel.

                  I am old enough, I guess, to just be appreciative that this media exists. When Donut and I were young fans, we had the newspapers. That’s it. If you wanted to vent, you knocked on your buddy’s door.

                  I grew up in Nassau Cty, but live in Chicago now. Watching the Cubs and their fans since 1986 has given me an appreciation for how great Yankees fans have had it since 1994. Hard core Cubs fans have my respect. They stick w the team no matter what.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    My father-in-law still hasn’t forgiven Ernie Banks for promising him a championship in the 50’s.

                  • Rolling Doughnut

                    The phrase “Cubs Fan” is urban slang for someone to be pitied. Man that’s harsh. I’ve been around a time or two on the Yanks roller coaster and I also enjoy the kids’ posts. A lot of them know a lot more about baseball than I do. But some of them also seem to think they invented it, which gives me a chuckle. Sports talk radio, good analogy.

  • Trisha

    Everyone believing the Sux are better than the Yankees are just wrong. You are all demented magpies.

    Actually it has nothing to do with anything you guys have talked about. The whole Sux team is doing steroids at Big Poopy’s apartment. Now that his wife has divorced him he has the ability to have all the players over and they do roids. So sorry it unequivocally has nothing to do with the Sux being superior. They are just big cheaters.

    Oh and Bud Selig is in on it. He tells the team ahead of time when the testing is coming to make sure they pass it. And even if they fail he just destroys the tests.

    I am very perspicacious and know all. And if I think something then it is definitely true. So HMMMMPH!!!!

    • WhittakerWalt

      “Big Poopy”

      • Pat D

        That’s a nicer moniker than what I call him.

        • Bob Buttons

          What i call him rhymes with “another trucker”

          • Pat D

            Great Big Fat Fuck.

            • Rolling Doughnut

              Now see? I was taken to task for the Feces meme, by some who called its use whining which So it’s off limits to tag the big guy with a moniker he has earned this year, but shitting on Papi is just fine. He is a great big fat fuck. At least ARod works hard, Papi just juices. But. CC has sucked this year and denying it will not change it and banning the well earned sobriquet will not alter te status of our fecally challenged hurler.

              • Trisha

                Oh I suppose you could do so much better? Why aren’t you pitching for the Yankees then. These guys are trying their best.

                Remind me never to get in a foxhole with any of you so called “fans.” Truly, pathetic.

                The right kind of dirt wasn’t on the mound today. It really screwed CC up.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Wait…..are you LoHud Trisha?

                  • Trisha

                    Yeah I post on Lohud. I keep the thing from going under and being taken over by Trolls. Most of you don’t deserve to be cheering for the guys who put on the magnificent pinstripes everyday.

                    The Sux cheat and karma will strike them down. Now you either agree with everything I say or you are mean and I will report you to Mike Axisa. Who does a wonderful job with this place. That’s your fair warning.

                    • Nutty Squirrel

                      And MY name is nutty.

                  • Mickster

                    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

                    Don’t tell me that psychotic bitch is posting over here now too. SHIT!!! You guys can’t let here take this place over. She has absolutely ruined the Lohud comment section. Stay strong.

                  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                    Oh shit, LOHUD Trisha? I posted there years ago. You were a psycho. You’re like the anti-Greg.

                  • WhittakerWalt

                    There’s a lot of mental derangement going on here. What kind of crazy person thinks that they, and they alone, are the reason a comments section is “being kept alive?”
                    I’m not saying Trish is actually a 13-year old dude, and I’m not saying Trish is actually Comic Book Guy made flesh, I’m just saying.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Perhaps, but I’ll take the bait here.

                      Trisha, please stay. Please, PLEASE stay. I promise we will be good to you. We’ll even have Havok give you a foot rub. Dudes got women chasing him day and night.

                      Is too early for popcorn?

                • Rolling Doughnut

                  I hope CC figures it out and survives the transition, and becomes a “pitcher’s pitcher”. He certainly has the stuff for it. This year, however, he has been a disappointment, and the unfortunate moniker that has been pinned on him, is just the result of frustration of some of the fans. If you read through the threadsm you’ll find a whole slew of them, to satisfy all tastes, subtle and gross as they say.

                  To answer your question: no of course I could not do better. But maybe my son could.

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                Big Papi is a member of the Red Sox. “Big Fat Fuck”, also, is a descriptor, not a try-to-be-clever nickname like “Feces” (See? It’s shit that almost rhymes with “CC”! Get it? Get it?).

                If you want to call CC a fat bastard I still think you’d be pretty out of line to say that about somebody on your own team, but it would be way better than “Feces”, which looks less like a “well earned sobriquet” and more like an insult an eighth grader would hurl at him.

                • Rolling Doughnut

                  Yeah I see your point. But actually feces does rhyme with CC you if you say Sabbathia afterword. It’s the sibilant sound of the s’s run together, you see? I think fat bastard is worse because it refers to a physical attribute that is true. While feces is obviously a metaphor. Get it? get it? Lighten up.

                  • Rolling Doughnut

                    So let’s see: Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores. And I’m the 8th grader? Shucks

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      Nice try, but this is a reference to an awesome online text-based adventure game. It’s not an insult or a lame little moniker I give to people I don’t like. Points for trying, though you’re not the first so minus one for lack of originality.

  • nord

    CC lost how many pounds this year? I’ll bet he works out like mad in the offseason and comes back strong… will he ever be a No. 1 again? Probably not, but a strong No. 3 is where he’ll be, once he gets his balance back.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      He does have the stuff to transition from power to finesse. I hope you are right.

  • vicki

    rough night in the comments section.

    i did appreciate the rascals reference.

    • Pat D

      That basically describes my feelings about a lot of Yankees related things right now, so that’s why I said it.

  • Mick taylor

    I said two years ago yanks should have let cc walk and keep Burnett because there were signs cc was in decline after the tigers playoffs so what doesidiot cashman do? He extends cc and gives Burnett away while paying 13 millionof Burnett salary so in effect 37 million a year to keepcc. The yanks will not make playoffs not because of injuries but because of thepitching of cc and Hughes they are a combined17-26. Had they been 23-23 yanks are in

    • Silvio

      Can’t agree about AJ. It’s not a surprise he pitched well in Pittsburgh. But New York was not for him. I bet he used to walk the streets and look up at all the high buildings.

      I liked the guy well enough, but he had NewYorkitis bad. He got rattled too easily.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Except when he pitched very well, in which I guess he didn’t mind the tall buildings.

        He became a more extreme version of who he always was before the trade. Someone else could provide more specific info as to actual differences in his pitching and numbers, but its quite possible that just not pitching in the AL East has helped. It’s also possible he could have shown some improvement had he remained in pinstripes just the same.

        He always seemed very well-liked by his teammates and was stoic in losing. I don’t think big city adjustment was the issue. Also, Toronto and Miami aren’t exactly Peoria.

        • nsalem

          I think the Yankee’s signed him based on how well he pitched at Fenway and in New York for the two previous years. I remember he was pretty awesome against us in 2008. All of that changed pretty fast. I’m happy for him and hope he does well in the post season.

  • nsalem

    Rolling Doughnut I don’t understand your comment of Kekich and Peterson incident It is pretty much well documented that the affairs started in the summer of 1972 and was revealed to the press in spring training of 1973. The press never hid this story for 10 years. Bouton left the Yankee’s after 1968 and Kekich didn’t join the Yankee’s until 1970. They were never teammates. Bouton’s book was published in 1970 2 years before the affair even started. What exactly did Bouton reveal about the affair 10 years later that you claim that the press hid.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      My understanding was that the affair started before that summer, and that the press did not openly report on it. cf Te Deal of the century by Daniel Okrent. The ten year time frame was a slip on my part. My reference to Bouton’s book, well, books, was only meant to support the general statement that before Bouton, most –not all–of baseball shenanigans went uncovered. Cf: Media Babe by Leigh Montville.

      • nsalem

        According to Okrent the affair did start in the summer of 1972, here is the quote
        “In the summer of 1972, the biggest trade in Yankees history originated at a party at Allen’s house in Westchester County, when pitcher Mike Kekich drove home with the wife of pitcher Fritz Peterson, and Peterson drove home with Mrs. Kekich.”
        It seemed to me what you were saying was that the press covered it all up for ten years and that Bouton was the one that revealed it in his book which would have been extremely inaccurate.
        I also think in the present day most scandals are still uncovered. It is becoming painfully obvious that the MLB testing system does not work. MLB knows it. More importantly the users know it and apparently the only ones who are going to get caught are the ones dumb enough to leave the breadcrumbs to the clinics.

        • Rolling Doughnut

          You are right. I went back and looked it up. Thanks. I did not mean to imply that Bouton exposed the story. It does look that way though, I’ll admit. I only meant to say that until Bouton wrote Ball Four (and later, I’m glad you Didn’t Take it Personally) scandals went seriously underreported. I also was under the impression that the Kekich-Petersen thing started much earlier than 1972. I stand corrected.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    I also have gone back through the last few game threads, to see if your claim that I trash Stewart and CC “all the time.” Because sometimes frustration does ramp up the rants. I have not found a Feces comment of mine yesterday, and nothing on Stewart either. In the last several days I have posted several references to our fecally challenged erstwhile ace and his Jake Gibbs clone battery partner. (although in fairness to Gibbs, he did put up a 140 wrc+ in 163 PA in 1970-he must have been juicing). But these comments were in the context of the state of the team in general. I have repeatedly said that CC is in transition and one hopes he makes it through. More times, in fact, than those in which I’ve called him Feces.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Last item on the CC moniker (n my own defense):

    1) Actually feces does rhyme with CC you if you say Sabbathia afterword. It’s the sibilant sound of the s’s run together, you see?

    2) I think calling him a “fat bastard” (which I have seen on too many occasions in the threads) is worse because it refers to a physical attribute that is true. While feces is obviously a metaphor. Get it? get it?

    3) Lighten up. CC sucks this year so he’s gets the bad end of the rants. But yes, maybe it would be better just to say:
    ERA 4.90 FIP 4.13 WAR 2.6 WHIP 1.37 and let da shit speak for itself.

    • Kosmo

      Sabathia´s WAR currently stands at 0.0

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Fangraphs has it at 2.6, although 0.0 makes more sense.

    • nsalem

      Yes, everyone here knows feces rhymes with CC. Since you are the only one that uses it, I would guess you created it (maybe you should tm it.). You have the perfect right to say it and I have the right to say it bothers me. The guy was a major addition in bringing us a ring after 10 years. He’s give us 4 very good years and he’s been terrible this year. Maybe it’s his weight loss, maybe it’s the wear and tear and maybe (which is infrequently mentioned) is that it’s a slow recovery from surgery. Let’s see what happens next year before we start to judge. You tell me to lighten up. I think you should lighten up on him. He’s our guy and he’s pitching his heart out. To me calling him feces is classless. It’s tantamount to calling him a piece of shit and I don’t think he deserves to be called that. Say what you want, it’s your right, I’m just telling you what I think about it.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Fair enough. Although some of the slurs that get a pass here seem to me more egregious. Like I said, I think using a metaphor is better than calling him a fat fuck. I also thought AJ got a pretty bad rap here, even though it is true that he imploded. I never saw anyone take exception to what was said about him. and there were comments much uglier than feces. So it seems a bit disingenuous to call me out. But I understand your point, thanks for taking the time to tel me what you think.

        In any case, I agree with you about CC. and I hope he learns how to pitch with diminished velo, he certainly has the stuff.

  • nsalem

    Lot’s of disgusting stuff said here is by trolls who I do not address. There is other disgusting stuff said by Yankee fans who are just to stupid to reply to. I know you are a true and passionate fan and you are also intelligent and that is why it bothers me enough to give my opinion. Enough about this Let’s win tonight!!!!

  • Meeks54

    Lots of fake Yankee fans in here, It’s a miracle we are still in the chase. With everything that’s gone horribly wrong this year, can we just appreciate that these guys are still in it. Damn. Every team’s front office makes mistake, bitching about it doesn’t help things.