Yankees shut out by Blue Jays for fourth straight loss as playoff hopes continue to fade

Game 151: Take Advantage
With offense struggling, it's time to pull the plug on Ichiro and Stewart

Even though the rest of the AL is trying to gift wrap them a wildcard spot for the Yankees, the Yankees just don’t seem willing to take it. They lost their fourth straight game on Tuesday night, getting shut out 2-0 by R.A. Dickey and the Blue Jays. They aren’t going down with much of a fight. The tragic number is down to nine.

(Tom Szczerbowski/Getty)
(Tom Szczerbowski/Getty)

One Run Is One Too Many
For the last three or four weeks, Andy Pettitte has been the Yankees’ very best starting pitcher. With Hiroki Kuroda hitting a wall and Ivan Nova coming back to Earth, it is even all that close really. Pettitte has been spectacular and on Tuesday night he held the Blue Jays to just one run — a monster solo homer by Colby Rasmus off a hanging breaking ball in a two-strike count — on a season-high 110 pitches across 6.2 innings. What more could the Yankees possibly want from the oldest starter in baseball?

With the 6.2 innings of one-run ball, Pettitte has now pitched to a 3.06 ERA (3.34 FIP) in his last 64.2 innings and eleven starts. That dates back to the end of the seven-start streak in which he allowed at least four runs each time out. Remember that? Right after the came off the DL following the lat strain? Andy looked like he was done for a good two months but now looks like he has plenty left in the tank. If the Yankees don’t make the postseason — which looks incredibly likely with each passing day — it won’t be because Pettitte pitched poorly down the stretch. The poor guy has done everything in his power to keep the team in the race.


The Yankees managed to leave five men on base in the first two innings. They put three men on base in the final seven innings. Mark Reynolds struck out with the bases loaded to end the first and Alex Rodriguez grounded out to short to end the second before Dickey settled down and retired 15 of the final 16 batters he faced. It didn’t help that all five base-runners in the first and second inning reached with two outs — maybe start a rally with zero or one out next time? could be cool? — but still. The Yankees could have put this game to bed early but didn’t.

After those first two innings, just three of the final 24 batters New York sent to the plate reached base. Reynolds singled to center in the fourth, Curtis Granderson reached on an error by the second baseman in the eighth, and Lyle Overbay singled to right in the ninth. Just five of those final 24 batters actually hit the ball out of the infield on the fly. Five! No one made it beyond first base after the second inning. After scoring at least five runs in nine of their first 13 games this month, the Yankees have scored three runs total in their last three games. Sorry, you ain’t winning anything like that.

Bad Bullpen Is Bad
Literally two pitches after Pettitte walked off the mound, Shawn Kelley allowed a solo homer to Rajai Davis (Rajai Davis!) to give Toronto the insurmountable two-run lead. Kelley has now allowed six runs on 14 base-runners in his last five innings of work. He did miss a few days with a triceps issue during that stretch, which perhaps explains the poor performance. Too bad that excuse doesn’t change the standings.

David Robertson would have allowed a run in the eighth had Adam Lind unhitched his trailer before running the bases. He singled off the right field wall with two outs before Anthony Gose doubled into the left-center field gap. A great relay series by Alfonso Soriano and Brendan Ryan cut Lind down at the plate. Props to J.R. Murphy for receiving the throw and applying the tag. Kelley and Robertson combined to allow three of the six batters they faced to reach base, and all three hit the ball hard.

(Tom Szczerbowski/Getty)
(Tom Szczerbowski/Getty)

Underrated moment of the game that ultimately didn’t mean anything: Granderson’s sliding catch to rob Brett Lawrie of a run-scoring bloop single in the fifth. Davis would have scored from second easily with two outs but Granderson managed to reel the ball in. It was a pretty big play at the time. Go Curtis.

Soriano had the team’s only extra-base hit, a double in the first inning. Granderson, Robinson Cano, Overbay, and Reynolds had singles while Overbay and Chris Stewart drew walks. Granderson reached on the error. That’s it, that’s all the offense. The Yankees struck out at least 12 times for the third time in the last eight games.

This was New York’s tenth shutout loss of the season. It’s the first time they’ve been shut out that many times since that magical 1991 season. Ten shutouts? Really? Good grief.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. The Yankees are four games back of the two wildcard spots in the loss column with only eleven games to play. Think the Steinbrenners can get an advance on that luxury tax money they’re going to save next year so they can buy a miracle?

Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
Same two teams on Tuesday night, when the Phil Hughes/David Huff tag-team gets the ball against left-hander J.A. Happ. The Yankees haven’t won a game since the last Hughes/Huff start. Clearly the team should use tandem starters for all five rotation slots.

Game 151: Take Advantage
With offense struggling, it's time to pull the plug on Ichiro and Stewart
  • Eddard

    The team has clearly quit on Girardi. This pathetic performance came just after his “stern” speech to the club. Must have been some speech. I wonder if Cashman will come down tonight and give them a scolding. It’s time for a regime change. Fire Cashman, fire Girardi and get a fresh set of eyes in the GM role and a fresh voice in the manager role. It worked for the Sox.

    • Mike B.

      I’ve got to agree with everything you’ve said.

    • hogsmog

      “It worked for the Sox”- I suggest you take a look at OverTheMonster during the Bobby Valentine era…

      • Mike B.

        I think he’s talking about the post-Valentine era for the Sox.

    • OldYanksFan

      Let me get this straight…
      Everyone but Pettitte falls on their ass and you want to fire Girardi?
      Wow. The It’s Cashman’s fault/It’s Girardi’s fault meme has finally usurped the It’s ARod’s fault meme.

      How come it’s never the player’s fault?
      Have these guys played really smart the last 4 days?

      • The Other Sam

        Because all a player can really bring is hard work and the talent they were born with.

        If they are doing the work – drills, BP, strength and conditioning – and Girardi says they are, then all that is left is talent and they haven’t got enough.

        Who’s fault is that? Ordinarily Cashman, but he’s got his hands tied by ownership. So Hal. But it was always his fault anyway because any responsible business owner knows where the buck stops.

    • Winter

      “It worked for the Sox”

      That’s like suggesting that Brendan Ryan call his shot because it worked for Babe Ruth. The type of turnaround the Red Sox had was unprecedented and absurdly unlikely for any team.


    As I said 85 win team no post season. Team is constructed of a bunch of replacement and bench players that play full time.

    • vicki


      i watched ‘major league’ for the first time in ten years last night.

      it’s so good.

      and it resonated.

  • Mike B.

    Oh man. There are so many places to look for the sources of the Yankees’ problems this yea that it seems somewhat unfair to focus on one in particular. But I’ll take the risk…. For a number of years now that Yanks have been unable to score with runners in scoring position. So….would it be reasonable to expect the Yanks to dump hitting coach Kevin Long? I mean, you who IS this guy? And how does he keep his job? Am I missing something?

    • BFDeal

      I didn’t realize clutch hitting was a trainable skill.

      • jim p

        But pitch recognition and selection, and patience likely are teachable.

        • BFDeal

          The commenter insinuated a direct link between Long and hitting with RISP. The skill set you mentioned applies for every at bat.

          • jim p

            And since an RISP opportunity happens during an at-bat…

            I do think someone, I don’t know who, needs to drill these guys in basic batting. Seems to be lacking for the most part. Too many times, after our pitcher has gone 25 or 30 pitches we go down the next at-bat in 7, 10 pitches. So even just giving our pitchers breathing room would be a plus.

            • vicki

              confirmation bias.

            • Mike B.

              Precisely my point. And I don’t think Long is doing that. But who knows? I still think a different hitting coach would help. And of COURSE the hitting coach doesn’t go up to the plate himself…geez. So what kind of hitter was Long when he played?

    • vicki


      yanks with risp:

      2012, third most rbi in the league. third highest wrc+ in the majors.

      2011, second most rbi in the majors, second highest wrc+ in the majors.

      2010, tied for most rbi in the majors, third highest wrc+ in the league.

      educate yourself.

      • Mikhel

        Not entirely true, we need to take a deeper look at the stats instead of relying on raw numbers that are not telling us the whole story.

        Because what team do you like most?

        All three teams scored 800 runs total, but:

        Team A) Scored 500 runs in 1500 chances with RISP.
        Team B) Scored 490 runs in 1350 chances with RISP.
        Team C) Scored 450 runs in 900 chances with RISP.

        Team A is the highest scoring team, but it also has a high fail rate.

        Team B has a productivity similar to Team A with RISP but in less chances, they are more efficient, though they also don’t create too many chances.

        Team C has the highest productivity of the three, but they create far fewer chances of scoring which is not good.


        Now, to analyze the data (a small analysis, mind you, I am a bit sleepy even when the clock is just about to mark 2:00 AM here in the west coast, a time where I usually am crunching numbers and stats just for the sake of it… pure fun I’d call it).

        2012: Yanks were #11 in total chances with RISP, #9 in MLB in runs scored (#9 in RBI), but #15 in AVG, #2 in MLB in HR with RISP, it’s ok but it’s not so wise to rely on homeruns because players hit in average, a homerun every 40-60 plate appearances (depending on which year you look it fluctuates, but generally speaking is about 50 PA per HR, while a hit comes once every 4 PA).

        2011: They were #9 in total chances with RISP and were #2 in MLB in runs scored, #2 in RBI, #6 in AVG, which was quite good considering they batted 0.276 AVG with RISP, a bit over 0.020 average points above league average since 1980.

        2010: Yankees were #1 in total chances with RISP and were #1 in runs scored and #1 in RBI while being #16 in batting AVG.

        I can see a decline in total chances with RISP, in effectiveness:

        2004: scored 1 run every 2.628 plate appearances;
        2005: scored 1 run every 2.686 plate appearances;
        2006: scored 1 run every 2.646 plate appearances;

        “JoeT / Kevin Long”
        2007: scored 1 run every 2.656 plate appearances;

        “Joe Girardi / Kevin Long” era
        2008: scored 1 run every 2.940 plate appearances;
        2009: scored 1 run every 2.870 plate appearances;
        2010: scored 1 run every 2.929 plate appearances;
        2011: scored 1 run every 2.710 plate appearances;
        2012: scored 1 run every 2.972 plate appearances;
        2013: scored 1 run every 2.939 plate appearances.

        From what I can see, the anomaly in the JoeG+KLong years has been 2011 and the rest is well… downright bad when compared to other teams built differently with teams that got on base:


        2004: 0.353;
        2005: 0.355;
        2006: 0.363;

        2007: 0.366;

        2008: 0.342;
        2009: 0.362;
        2010: 0.350;
        2011: 0.343;
        2012: 0.337;
        2013: 0.310;

        And instead, they’ve relied on free swingers who strike-out a lot.


        2004: 15.4%;
        2005: 15.4%;
        2006: 16.3%;

        2007: 15.2%;

        2008: 16.2%;
        2009: 15.7%;
        2010: 17.8%;
        2011: 18.0%;
        2012: 18.9%;
        2013: 19.7%;

        Surely one season is just a small amount of data to compare with prior hitting coach+manager tandems with the Yankees, but since JoeG has been the manager either Kevin Long changed something in his approach or JoeG asked him to change something and “adjust” their batters… and right now I am inclined to say JoeG is the biggest culprit, specially after undermining Long’s work and opinion with his “we are the Bronx Bombers not the Bronx Bunters”.

        • vicki

          using batting average with runners in scoring position isn’t much better than using full season batting average. but if that’s your stat, at least note that for all these seasons the difference between team batting average and team batting average with men in scoring was very slim, just as it is for most teams, most years. in 2010 and 2012 it was a hair lower with risp; in 2011 it was a hair higher.

          the yanks’ 2013 offense hit .014 higher with runners in scoring.

          too, yankees’ risp splits were league average or better, sometimes a lot better, for walk and k rates. and always near the top for ops and, like i noted, wrc+.

          i confess to cherry picking rbi. i’m just annoyed as hell by the rispfail fairy tale.

          i think you’ve used a lot of full season numbers here, and if you have a gripe with the team’s general approach that’s another subject. the one at hand is whether the hitters choke with men in scoring position. they don’t.

          i highly recommend larry’s piece from a few years ago. i’ve been rispmyth averse since then.


          • Robinson Tilapia

            I loved how you countered this with a link to a Larry article. I think I just love you that much more now for that.

        • BFDeal

          Dude, you have left out so many variables, it’s ridiculous.

        • toad

          I don’t get your point. You seem to have things backwards.

          The idea is to score runs, not have a high RISP.

          With two outs, batter hits a HR. Next batter doubles, and the third one strikes out. One run. 0 for 1 with RISP.

          Or, with two outs, batter hits a double, next batter singles him in, and third batter strikes out. One run. 1 for 1 with RISP.

          What makes the second sequence better than the first?

        • Mike B.

          Interesting numbers to say the least.

  • Tom

    It’s not really all that shocking with a lineup that is featuring a bottom 3rd of:

    Ichiro (.530 OPS post all star break)
    Ryan (.594 OPS post all star break)
    Stewart (.466 OPS post all star break… yikes!)

    I’m all for trading off some offense for defense, but you can’t just punt offense completely and you certainly can’t do it with 1/3 of the lineup. Girardi should be rotating offense in at 1 of those 3 spots and at least keep it to two blackholes in the lineup.

    • forensic

      Sadly, that actually counts as good hitting for Ryan.

      There are also issues beyond that. Soriano’s OBP is just barely over .300. Overbay is at about .280 with his OBP. Wells we all know about. Lots of strikeout artists. Very little speed, and the few guys who have it can’t get on base to use it.

      Lots of yuck out there right now.

      • Mikhel


        They’ve been fielding teams low on OBP compared to other good Yankee teams in recent history, and lots and lots of K’s, they just don’t make the rival pitchers explode to face their middle relievers and feast on them, instead the Yanks allow the rival pitchers to survive until the 7th-8th and their chances diminish dramatically:

        MLB averages in 2013:
        1st inn to 3rd inn: 0.257 AVG / 0.320 OBP
        4th inn to 6th inn: 0.263 AVG / 0.324 OBP
        7th inn to 9th inn: 0.242 AVG / 0.311 OBP

        • Mikhel

          OOPS I was looking at 2012 stats.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        They don’t lead the league in yuck; it just feels like they do. Overbey is around .295 OBP.

  • Mark

    Good thing Ichiro got that second year.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      Yankees stopped being a baseball team years ago and turned into a merchandising company/Broadway show for out-of-town-business-folk.


    This team needs to be teared down starting from the front office all the way down to the players.

    Cashamn, Joe, Scouting, management all need to go. This team needs a fresh start instead of plucking in Ash into their lineup hoping to catch a break. It hasn’t work in a few years and now it’s gonna to the point of really now. Do they really think the are going to fix 10 holes next year all at once? Nothing in the farm, another steroid story coming in 2014 that’s going to linger.

    Yankees stop thinking you own your players and plaease stop singing 38 year olds. Treat it as a business if they don’t produce move on from them.

    I mean really how did nobody see this after 2011? People / management this fucking blind?

    • Mike B.

      I hate to echo what I said above in response to another post, but I think you’ve hit many nails on the head. I have never really liked Cashman (should the guy open a damaged goods emporium?), and although I’m not happy to say it I think Joe G. might need to look for greener pastures elsewhere. I’m not sure who they’d bring in, but the team needs to change the guard. Not to mention many of the players….

      • Mikhel

        I’m all in for either Tony Peña or Willie Randolph. Peña managed some awful teams in the ethernally “under construction” KC Royals until two years ago they couldn’t hit, now they got pitching and it seems they are for real.

      • The Other Sam

        I don’t know, the biggest thing a mgr does is shuffling players around for the optimum effect. Can someone can shuffle better than Joe? Maybe, but give Joe something decent to work with and then we can decide.

  • Phill

    I feel bad for Andy who again tossed a great game and NOTHING in run support.

    I understand Injuries have really hurt the bombers and it will pain me to say this, but they need to take a page out of the SOX book. Get rid of the OLD and declining players.

    This off season they need to secure their rotation and Bullpen. Next year they get Tex back healthy, Jeter healthy, Gardner healthy, and they should be able to get a nice Bat with the money they save when Arod is suspended.

    The ONLY reason I have hope is I don’t want MOs last game to be in Houston

    • forensic

      Next year they get Tex back healthy, Jeter healthy,

      Gardner should certainly recover fully, but there’s absolutely no guarantee what Tex and Jeter will be like health- or production-wise.

      • Mike B.

        Good points. But can the Yanks really win with Gardner? I think he’s hitting almost 20 points higher this year than he has in the past, but would an outfielder with more power and average (if we can find one) help us out better than a speedster for whom the opposing outfielders move way in? Perhaps I’m missing something…..

        And Tex? Man…Is he just Giambi with a better glove?

        • forensic

          He would love to be able to hit anywhere near how Giambi hit when he was a Yankee. I don’t understand why people always think calling Tex that is an insult.

          Giambi had a .400+ OBP and .520+ SLG with a 143 OPS+ over his Yankee career. Tex is around .350+ OBP and .500+ SLG with a 125 OPS+ with the Yankees. And of course Tex’s numbers have been trending in the wrong direction his whole Yankee career, so those numbers could (will?) only get worse.

          • WhittakerWalt

            Giambi’s Yankee career was criminally underrated.

            • Darren

              Giambi’s career was criminal.


              • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

                injecting some reality into the tissue, I mean issue.


        Fuck Gardner seriously.

        • Wheels

          No, Gardner is good.

        • BFDeal

          You’re not his type.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Fuck you.

          • vicki


        • Robinson Tilapia

          You like big heads.

      • Wolfgang’s Fault

        They need a quality leadoff hitter. Nothing in stone says it has to be Gardner. This off-season, almost everything should be on the table, & if the right deal presents itself, Gardner should not be untouchable.

        • Mike B.


    • jim p

      Andy and Kuroda both have .500 records. As does CC. The first two, at least should be much better than they are, even with their periods of bad pitching. But the bats have not been producing for almost the entire season.

      I wonder where the Yankees stand in “pitches seen” in the AL and in the Majors. I’d think that they rank near the bottom in that and ‘productive outs.’ And that kills our pitchers.

      • forensic

        Yankees see 3.80 pitches per PA. AL average is 3.86. Yankees are t-10th in the AL. The White Sox are last at 3.75.

        In what BR.com defines as a productive out, the Yankees have succeeded in 31% of their opportunities, which is right at the AL league average. They are t-5th with three other teams.

        • forensic

          I guess I should finish it off.

          The Twins (surprisingly) lead the league in pitches per PA at 4.03.

          The Angels lead the league in productive outs at 36% and the Twins are last at 28%.

          • jim p

            Thanks. Not the first time you’ve answered technical stat questions for me.

            I’ve tried to figure out B-R’s search, where people seem to get all these combinations of stats to answer questions like mine. No luck at all though. I can’t even get splits vs LHB and RHB even though I click on the splits tag.

            Do you know of some tutorial or orientation material for digging up info at Baseball Reference?

            Thanks in advance, and thanks for the past.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Same here. I’ve never been able to get the kind of magic from Fangraphs and BRef that bothers seem to.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

    Think the Steinbrenners can get an advance on that luxury tax money they’re going to save next year so they can buy a miracle?


    • Mikhel

      They’ll need the money they save, that way they’ll balance the money they won’t get when they lose another 200,000 persons in attendance on top of the almost 400,000 persons they lost this year when compared to 2011 and 2012 (if the average ticket is between 80 and 100 dlls… YIKES!!).

  • Lukaszek

    Please don’t fear the fact that the Yankees may not make postseason. Instead hope that they will. Fear will make you prisoner, hope will set you free

    • vicki

      i love fear. it’s an altered state. do you not enjoy roller-coasters?

      also, how about a moratorium on people telling each other how to approach following sports. or life in general.

      • Kosmo

        Amen sister !

      • Darren

        He said “please”, that’s hardly telling you how to live your life. Don’t be so sensitive.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Maybe the Steinbrenners can outsource next year’s bullpen to a Chinese labor camp to increase ROI.

  • Chris

    I am not sure why people think the Yankees can just “clean house”. Please explain to me who will take A-Rod, CC or Tex’s contracts? Would you let Cano walk, send Jeter out to pasture? That is pretty much it on clearing up cash. Fire Giradi? If the Yanks make it in, he will be in the top 3 for Manager of the year. But go ahead, clean house all you want.

    • WhittakerWalt

      They don’t usually think it through that far.


      Keep smoking that Yankee fume this team keeps blowing up your ass.


        This team is bad it’s time you wake the fuck up!

        • WhittakerWalt

          Settle down, Francis.

      • Winter

        He’s saying (and he’s right) that the Yankees don’t have many options. It’s tough to “rebuild” when you can’t get rid of the highly-paid veterans. He’s not saying the Yankees shouldn’t rebuild, he’s saying they can’t.

      • BFDeal

        Exactly how was he wrong?

    • Robinson Tilapia


      • Chris

        Well at least someone did not overreact. My point is, I am not enjoying the smoke the Yankees are blowing because in my opinion, they aren’t. They want to get below $189 million, fine that is their prerogative. As I previously mentioned, they can’t shed payroll. As far as I can see we don’t have a windfall of prospects rushing up next year and the free agent market is one of the worst in years. Instead of screaming and yelling, how about you detail a comprehensive plan on how you would fix the team.

        Fire Cashman and Girardi? Fine, who would you replace them with?
        You want to trade our overpaid player? Okay to what teams and how much salary would you take back?
        What free agent starting pitchers (3), catcher, RF/LF, closer, SS, and relief pitchers would you sign?
        How many years and dollars?
        Which prospects would you bring up?
        Which prospects would you trade and for who?

        This would be a great start into turning the team around and “cleaning house”. Now get it done Mr.GM behind a keyboard.

        • Mike B.

          It seems that Cashman and /or Girardi can’t answer your questions either. That’s what’s truly sad…. Oh, and neither can Hal nor Hank. So let’s keep things as they are and slide even more down the tube or whatever other metaphor you prefer. These guys don’t seem to have a comprehensive plan, either. And they are the “pros”….with or without a keyboard.

          • Chris

            Mike B. I see what you are saying. Do you think the Yankees record would be better had A-Rod, Granderson, Teixeira and Jeter played all year? I think they would have a WC spot locked up if they had. I am not saying give them a free pass, but the fact that they are sill in it keeps me rooting for them. They have done the best with what they have. You can’t go replacing superstars with superstars that are not available. We should probably wait to see what they to before casting judgment.

            • Mike B.

              Good points, Chris. And the way I was rooting during tonight’s game shows you that I haven’t given up, either. I guess I’m guilty of looking ahead. LOL There are many challenges that lie ahead for our team. I’m just not sure our current leadership is up to the task. We shall see.

  • Darren

    An ace knuckleballer shut out the Yankees, take it for what it is.

    If they win the next two and sweep the Giants, we’ll be primed for a huge series at home vs. Tampa Bay.

    Isn’t that worth hoping for? There’s a lot of potentially exciting baseball left, don’t jump ship yet.

    • ialien

      guess you havent been paying attention to how the giants been playing lately.

      • Darren

        I have, nice little run, but I also think a generally crappy West coast team on an East coast trip close to October is ripe for sweeping.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Calling Dickey an ace is like calling Sabathia an ace. It’s not true anymore.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I don’t know if Dickey was good for prolonged enough a period to earn that…..completely subjective label.

      • Darren

        Dickey’s had a better year than CC, and in any case, he pitched like an ace last night. Did you read the quotes both from him and the Yankees? His stuff was filthy last night.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I really wish he was still a Met. I could actually root for him, then.

  • mustang(The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

    River Ave Blues the song:

    This team sucks lalala
    OMG! they might missed the playoffs twice since 1995 lalala
    All there prospect are bad lalala
    They should fire everyone lalala
    The Steinbrenners should sell the team lalala
    There a outdated organization and the rest of baseball is leaving them behind. lalala
    OMG! Why do we all sound like Mets fans lalala
    That why I’m singing the River Ave Bluuuues
    Oh! Yea!

    • Pat D

      Well, take a sad song and make it better.

      • mustang(The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

        “There’ll Be Sad Songs (To Make You Cry)”

        • Robinson Tilapia


          When the going gets tough…

      • mustang(The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)


        I could say that with everything that has happen they done great to come even this far. That they have some interesting prospect coming up the road. That people should wait a little longer before commending an organization that has given us over a decade of success.
        But what’s the use anger breeds stupidity and reasoning can’t do nothing about it.

        • forensic

          I assume you mean ‘condemning’ instead of ‘commending’? That makes a big difference in your statement.

          • mustang(The Has Beens & Wannabes Bunch 2013)

            Yes I did thank you.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Well done.

    • Mike B.

      10-1 says this poster never joined together with any band. LOL!

  • Kiko Jones

    If they are going to be eliminated, there will be more than enough time to attack, belittle, chastise, and single out the culprits for this season’s woes. In the meantime, as long as they’re mathematically alive, I’ll wait. I mean, why get a head start on the aggravation? To each, his own, tho.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Did they ever stop complaining, like, ever?

  • vicki

    i was watching in public, without sound. does anyone know if the roof was open? knuckle looked good.

    • Wheels

      It was closed.

  • vicki

    and not for nothing, but i’d’ve had blue jay killer vernon wells (.438/.412/.563 v. dickey) in that lineup. what gives?

    • Rolling Doughnut

      SSS? But I agree. Especially considering that Ichiro is 4 -23, all singles -surprise!- against Dickey and 1 RBI. Wells would have been the better choice. It’ll just go down as one of the binder’s little mysteries I guess.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Barring the runniest of runs since we made that one takeout order from Tacos Nuevo Mexico in the South Slope, this really did feel like the one game which told the tale for whether they’d pull this off. Eleven games, four out in the loss column….yeah.

    I’m not stopping hope until that number is zero. Fuck it.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Hope should spring eternal right? At this point, I just want to see some exciting baseball. A little fire in their bellies would do them, and me, a lot of good.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We actually agree there. Maybe there’s hope for US just yet.

      • Silvio

        Many (maybe most) teams being toyed with by a good pitcher who’s pitches are all working, will look like they need fire in the belly. It’s just appearance.

    • Vern Sneaker

      An 11-game winning streak, why not?

      Okay, lots of reasons why not. But still . . .

  • trr

    This was probably it for this year. Let’s face it, the only reason we’re still in the chase at all is that some of the other clubs have been just as bad as us. But I’ll still be watching, rooting, hoping against hope…’cause that’s what a fan does, see?

    • Silvio

      “But I’ll still be watching, rooting, hoping against hope…’cause that’s what a fan does, see?”

      Yeah, but with their heads they do something else.