Update: Yankees made offer to Girardi

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Friday: Joel Sherman says Girardi will have another offer from the Yankees no later than today. He suspects it will be in the three-year, $13-16M range. Sherman hears that if push comes to shove, the team is prepared to walk away if Girardi’s camp seeks $7M annually, or what Joe Torre was making at the end of his tenure in pinstripes.

Wednesday: Via Jon Heyman: During their scheduled meeting this afternoon, the Yankees made Joe Girardi a contract offer to return to the team. He responded with parameters for a deal and the two sides agreed to meet again on Thursday. No word on the size of the offer or what Girardi’s camp proposed, and chances are we’ll never know. That they’re meeting again tomorrow is a good sign. Hopefully they get this taken care of quickly.

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  • hornblower

    Anyone who has children knows that Girardi will not be moving anywhere until his kids graduate from high school. This is a fake story. His kids don’t even remember when they lived in Chicago.

    • Bob Buttons

      Unless he pulls off a Mark Buerhle.
      Doubt he would though.

    • http://twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110


      • hornblower

        Fake in the sense that he is going somewhere else as a manager. As usual, the agent leeks a story to the press to get the number up. The Cano people are doing the same. Writers are so hungry to print something that they are willing be used.

      • dalelama

        Who cares? Girardi doesn’t matter that much one way or another. If anything he probably just slows down the rebuilding process.

        • jjyank

          I actually agreed with the first part. The second part is purely unfounded conjecture, probably based solely on Romine’s playing time. And that doesn’t mean much.

    • BFDeal

      People with kids move ALL the time.

      • ElMaestro

        Not somebody that already own some million dollars in the bank. the priorities there are different than the common man

        • jjyank

          True, but I think BFDeal’s point still stands, generally. If a better career opportunity came up that paid him more, there’s no doubt that there is a legitimate discussion about it. We can’t just brush that off as “well, no way he moves the kids. He stays no matter what.”

          That said, I do think Girardi will remain with the Yanks, but not primarily for that reason.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          How so?

          • Preston

            It doesn’t, people with huge amounts of money can still be dissatisfied with life, want more money, job security etc. Moving to Chicago might help his family be more stable as the Cubs are rebuilding for the long term and may offer him much more job security than can exist as manager of the Yankees (although to be fair the Boss isn’t running things and we’ve been less trigger happy with the last two managers).

            • Dohrmann

              Totally agree about money having little to do with moving ones family. Not talking about macro level do poor or rich people move more, but relevant to this discussion I don’t see having money disqualifying someone from moving. I know plenty of extremely successful people who have taken early or semi-retirements that moved their families and I know very ambitious people who have made a career move that uplifted their family. In fact, many previous pro sports managers probably fit into the category of career oriented moves.

              On the other hand, not sure he’d have any more job security in Chicago. Yankees have had 2 managers in almost 20 years now. That’s not a perfect predictor of the future, but there’s no sign whatsoever that this is a franchise that likes to make managerial changes for the heck of it. (Cubs have had 6 in that time.)

              I was going to comment on this separately, but it seems to fit here. It’s very interesting anthropologically to see how people respond to momentum here. Cubs are terrible and young, so it is naturally assumed they are on the upswing. Yankees have a lot of uncertainty and are coming off their worst season in a long time, so they must be on the downswing. Of course, there’s probably more uncertainty regarding the Cubs future. This is a similar phenomenon to the one that causes enormous bubbles and busts in public markets. THroughout this thread a bunch of commenters have projected recent momentum forward for the Yankees and the Cubs (sort of… I mean, Cubs barely even have any momentum and are probably as likely to be terrible in 3 or 4 seasons as to be good). Evolutionarily I’m sure this instinct served us well, but it’s not necessarily an accurate way to predict future outcomes. Only one year removed from the Red Sox expected to lose the division and the Blue Jays expected to run away with it…………………… just amazing how many people are still falling into this trap. (That is not to say the Yankees have great things ahead or the Cubs bad things, by the way, just that the opposite should not be the default expectation of so many fans.)

        • BFDeal

          If that logic were true, baseball players with kids would stay with one team their entire career.

    • TJF

      I think hornblower is right on this one. What’s best for the family is stability unless something is amiss and they want a change of environment. Chicago would be a good fallback option but the Cubs are just not the Yankees. I’m sure there is discussion about what the team plans to do and that will not include tearing it down and starting over. Cano isn’t going anywhere either.

      Traditionally when the team underperforms they overcompensate in the offseason to fix the issues. Missing the playoffs might spark some needed changes and spur the team to bid on some posted players and go Cuba shopping.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      That’s quite a bit exaggerated there, bud. Switching your kid’s school, or moving to another state, isn’t going to kill them, especially when you’re a fricking millionaire.

    • Tisha

      Serena, Dante and Lena were not even alive when he lived in Chicago. In fact he wasn’t even married to Kim at the time.
      He already said he has no ties there anymore except for 2 brothers, His Father died this year of Alzheimer’s.

  • PED’s

    deal gets done 2morrow

  • The Other Mister D

    The man is one of the better managers in the game, and is willing to take one of the toughest jobs in sports as the team is heading towards what looks like its worst time in over two decades. With zero better alternatives, they either need to pay up, or resign themselves to giving a shot to a novice.

    • Fin

      I agree with a lot of that. If I was Girardi I would get out now. With what looks like a very bad team next year, measured against Yankee standards, its the manager that takes the fall. If he doesn’t get fired, hes going to take the brunt of fan abuse. I’m sure he can make similar money in Chicago, without such fan backlash as they are use to sucking. I don’t see this next contract ending well for Girardi and not because of him, but because of the path the Yankees are on. I think hes signing up for a lot of job misery. A lot of people will say the ~5m or so will make it all ok, but he could make roughly the same money in a place like Chicago with better job security and not so much fan hostility that is sure to await him in NY. A similar fate as Charlie Manuel could await Girardi.

      • The Other Mister D

        Well there’s right for the team, and right for Joe. I can’t know what’s going on in his head and heart. I would first and foremost want him to do what’s right for him, but that is a far more subjective decision than figuring out what is best for the team, and right now, resigning Joe sure seems to be the best move, or at least the safest.

      • Dohrmann

        How do you know what the Yankees team looks like for next year? While I’m sure he has a much better idea than you or I, I doubt even Cashman has a very good idea what it will look like.

        Yankees could be the next Phillies. Or they could be the next 2013 Red Sox. Or they could be the next 2013 Blue Jays/2012 Marlins: spend like crazy in the offseason only to still stink.

        I don’t know where the impression that managing the Cubs is a walk in the park comes from. The shelf-life of a Cubs manager is far less than a Yankees manager in relavant history. The Yankees might be terrible the next few years, but the Cubs are likely to be terrible for at least a couple of more years even if things go very well for them.

  • Barry

    He’d probably end up managing for the next 20 years in Chicago if he went there. They’re mathematically overdue for a championship, he’d be remembered there forever as the manager that finally won. He would be able to do no wrong.. It’s a no brainer really. From a work stand point it’s the easier job. And the violence in Chicago has to end eventually?

    • jjyank

      I cannot, for the life me of, understand why so many people think that the Cubs are destined for a championship within the shelf life of a manager. It is far, far more likely that Girardi will go to the Cubs, and come away empty handed several years later.

      So let’s turn the question around. Instead of “why wouldn’t he want to be Mr. Untouchable in Chicago after ending the Cubs’ ridiculous drought?”, maybe we should ask “why in the hell would anyone want to manage a team that has been so bad for so long, and risk being part of the blame for it?”

      Let’s say Girardi signs for 3 years with the Yankees. Will the Yankees be bad in 2014? Maybe. Will they be bad in 2015? Less of a maybe, more of a “who the fuck knows”. 2016? For all we know, they could be a powerhouse by then.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Ernie Banks promised my father-in-law a championship in ’58. He still hasn’t forgiven him.

        • RetroRob


          You’ll see. You’ll see!

          Hoping I’ll still be around in 2058.

          • Pat D

            I won’t.

      • Caballo Sin Nombre

        I really think the Yankees have offered Girardi a four year contract, at least. The Yankees are going to be mediocre in 2014 and 2015. They could be on the upswing in 2016, or more likely, 2017. The extra year is important as assurance he won’t be the scapegoat during the transition period. Four years also sees his oldest through high school.

    • RetroRob

      I do think with the current management and money from ownership, the Cubs do have a chance to build a very good team. Yet it’s still going to take another few years.

      In other words, the same situation might pop up again in three years, and at that point it will probably be a much better opportunity. Girardi might just want to play the part that Joe Torre did. Step in to a nearly complete team as one of the final pieces. Let someone else play the part of Buck Showalter the next few years.

      Of course, as I write this, I doubt that level of consideration is going through Girardi’s mind. He’s going to do what he thinks is best now.

      • Farewell Mo

        They’re gonna have pretty stiff competition from the Cardinals who looked pretty stacked for years to come not to mention the Reds, Braves, Nats, Pirates and Dodgers so while the Cubs future looks promising, the odds are still stacked against them.

    • BFDeal

      Terry Francona says hello.

  • Midland TX

    I just hope the phrase “…and that’s the bottom line” came up at least once during the initial meeting with Cash.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I don’t think a topic on here has ever reached absolute absurdity quicker than Girardi contract negotiations.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Bashing Nick Swisher might give it a run for its money.

      • JOhnC

        How bout praising Delmon Young?

    • RetroRob

      We’re all a little disoriented. Our favorite team is usually still playing baseball at this time of the year. We need something to grasp onto.

      Strap yourself to the mast. I predict lots of spirited threads this offseason. This is just a gentle warmup.

      It is interesting that the majority of posters are in Girardi’s camp. I’m with you. I want him back. I think he is the right man for the job, but I don’t think it will be a disaster by any stretch if he were to leave. The question, though, is if he did, who would replace him.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We’d have to look at whose contract is up, up and comers amongst coaches, non-traditional guys, and guys already in the org.

        I’d say Peña would be a strong frontrunner. I’ve heard Hillman’s name get thrown around here – strong “second chance” choice there. Wakamatsu is one guy with expererience in the org. I don’t know who currently managing another team has their contract up. I don’t think the yanks are in position to “trade” for a manager under contract, and I think anyone managing in the AL East under those circumstances is a bigger pipe dream. Want a non-traditional option? I’ll throw one out there for shits – David Cone.

        • Pat D

          Big pass on Wakamatsu. I’m not high on Hillman.

          Now, regarding some other names thrown around in the previous post, I doubt they’d be able to get Mattingly to leave LA, for any number of reasons.

          If anyone continues to suggest Ozzie Guillen or Mike Scioscia……I am just going to snap.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Anyone mentioning Guillen should receive a concerned call from the principal to their parents.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Yeah, I was more throwing out names who I think would be easy to interview. Why are you down on Hillman? I felt like the feedback on him from KC was pretty similar to what we heard about Joe post-Miami. Tough situation, deserves another shot, good mind for the game, etc.

            I also forgot guys with Yankee connections around baseball. Maybe Righetti wants to manage. Maybe Bam Bam Muelens (!) does. What IS Bob Geren up to?

            Just throwing names out there. Definitely don’t confuse this for an endorsement of anyone.

            • Pat D

              I’m not sure he showed me anything in KC that makes me think he does actually deserve another chance.

            • RetroRob

              I was pretty intrigued by Hillman when he was considered a possibility for the Yankees job a few years back, even though I knew there was little chance of that happening. There seemed to be many positives said about him. Then there was the disaster in KC. What’s different between Hillman and Girardi is Girardi actually won Manager of the Year after he was fired. While there were some questions about his interactions with ownership, I think we now have a very clear idea that it was the Marlins’ ownership who were bonkers. Joe received very good reviews for his work there. I don’t think that was the case with Hillman.

              Yet, my guess is there is something there considering all the positive reviews Hillman once had. He no doubt deserves another chance, and he’ll have actually MLB managerial experience under his belt. Just don’t see the Yankees going to him, but who knows.

  • cheddar

    Our starting first baseman, shortstop, third basemen (Alex and his replacement), catcher, and center fielder all missed most of the season. Their replacements were average at best. And we were in playoff contention until the last week of the year.

    Unless Girardi becomes completely unreasonable in his contract demands, I most certainly want him back.

    • JonS

      I think $7m is pretty unreasonable.

  • Grover

    As much as I believe in Joe Girardi as a manager, I would counsel that he and his family just might be better served by breaking ties with the dysfunction that is the Yankee hierarchy and moving back home under a longer term contract.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t think you have a law degree.

  • Chris Z.

    If not Girardi then I’d like to see Pena also.

    First, I think catchers make great managers. They have a great sense of the game.

    Second, as a former catcher it is important in my eyes to have him there for the development of our young catching group. The Yanks have a lot of catching depth and I believe that having a catcher as a manager can only help those guys along.

    Last, I don’t want Mattingly simply because he was on the verge of getting fired before his team went on some crazy hot streak. Don’t forget, they werent exactly raviged by injuries and talk was that he would be fired during the season, not even after it. LA has a great team and I believe that Joe did a much better job “managing” than Mattingly did this year. That team was on cruise controll for about 70 games.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I love Mattingly. I also remember what the end of Torre was like and how much of a Torre disciple he is. LA seems perfect for a manager like that right now.

      • Chris Z.

        Agreed. You have a Torre guy leading a team full of stars and big personalities. Like Puig. The Yanks right now don’t need kid gloves, they need a guy who instills the “Yankee Way” in the young kids. The team is in too much of a state of flux for a Torre figure.

        • Dohrmann

          Maybe, but at this point the Yankees seem likely to have more veterans than young kids and I don’t really see that changing too quickly. (Only meant partially as a knock on the farm system, no system is turning out half an MLB roster on an annual basis.) Hopefully a few prospects start to trickle onto the roster over the next few years, but I would be very surprised if they went into full scale rebuilding rather than signing and trading for stop-gaps to make the kids earn their shots.

  • Laz

    I would definitely walk away from him at $7M a year. He has done an adequate job, just a manger isn’t that important. There are better ways to spend money.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Not much to say about the update. I haven’t a clue about the going rate for good managers, etc. I’d go the extra mile for him. I wouldn’t write a blank check, though. What Torre made at the end? Sure. I’d go there.

    It would surprise me, at this point, if this didn’t get done.

  • Captain Turbo

    I’m not a big fan of Joey Binders but he’s the best option at this point. Do you really think they’re going to bring in Dusty Baker? Come on.