Olney: Angels open to trading Bourjos and Trumbo for pitching

Poll: Curtis Granderson, Phil Hughes, and the qualifying offer
What Went Wrong: Lyle Overbay

Via Buster Olney: The Angels have expressed a willingness to trade Peter Bourjos and Mark Trumbo for pitching help as they look to revamp their staff. Right now their rotation is Jered Weaver, C.J. Wilson, Garrett Richards, Jerome Williams, and Joe Blanton. Obviously they want to upgrade at least the last two and maybe the last three spots.

Bourjos, 26, has missed a bunch of time due to wrist problems these last two years. The defensive whiz is a career .251/.306/.398 (103 wRC+) hitter in a little more than 1,100 plate appearances over the last four years. He is fast enough to theoretically steal bases even though he hasn’t done much of it in the big leagues (41-for-54, 76%). The 27-year-old Trumbo is a career .250/.299/.469 (111 wRC+) hitter who has whacked at least 29 homers in each of his three full seasons. He’s developed a reputation for being a notorious first half player (career 130 wRC+) who disappears after the break (86 wRC+).

The Yankees have enough speedy, no power, defense first outfielders on their roster, so Bourjos makes little sense. Trumbo is a much better fit as long as the club thinks he can adequately play the outfield. I don’t think breaking the bank for another first base/DH type is a wise move. Trumbo has almost a thousand career innings in the outfield and New York could try to hide him in tiny right field. His kind of righty power is hard to fine, even though it comes with a miniscule OBP. The problem is that unless the Angels really like David Phelps or Adam Warren, the Yankees don’t have any pitching to trade them. Not a good trade match here.

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Poll: Curtis Granderson, Phil Hughes, and the qualifying offer
What Went Wrong: Lyle Overbay
  • Theonewhoknocks

    I think Trumbo for Phelps works for both teams.

    Both are affordable slightly above average players.

    Trumbo also can play some 3B too right? Could help with the arod situation.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I think the Angels could get a ton more for Trumbo than Phelps.

      • Nick

        Maybe if we throw in Ichiro and Wells too. While we are how about Cervelli and a prospect for Trout

      • Robinson Tilapia

        *searches through coat pockets for Melky + IPK*

    • Nate

      While Phelps has shown promise, I fail to see how he has demonstrated himself to be even slightly above average. No way the Angels would do that straight up. Maybe if we included one of our top 10 prospects. Heathcott?

  • Frank

    Why trade a pitcher, which the Yanks actually need, for Trumbo? Just re-sign Reynolds. Similar offensive players and Reynolds can hold his own at 3B and 1B.

  • qwerty

    Trade for Bourjos….now. I advocated getting him last season, but he’ll be even cheaper now. Trumbo would be too expensive for what he gives you.

    • Pee Wee Herman Ruth

      Why? Where would he play?

      • qwerty

        Centerfield of course. You trade Gardner and see what you can get for him.

        • the tenth inning stretch

          Then why not just keep Gardner and Phelps and upgrade some other way?

          • qwerty

            Gardner is a FA after this upcoming season, best to take advantage of it. Bourjos is 4 years younger and under control for the same amount of time. It makes sense.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              He has 3 years of control left fwiw.
              And I’m not sure it’s a lock that he’s more than a 4th OF.
              Depending on trade return for Gardner and how much they’d have to give up for Bourjos, they’d probably be better off just keeping Gardner for another year and then hope Heathcott can take over after that, or find a stopgap until Williams.

              • qwerty

                At this point we are not even certain that Heathcott can adequately conquer AA pitchers much less be promoted to the majors and do well here. Williams is even more pathetic than Heathcott.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting

                  very true.
                  Both may end up doing nothing.

                  Bourjos isn’t exactly a proven stud either though.
                  He’s had one full season as a regular in over 3 full seasons of service time.
                  Over the past 2 seasons he’s combined to hit 248/312/347. Not exactly somebody definitely worth giving up a lot to make the starting CF of the future. If it doesn’t take much to get him and they’d get a solid return for Gardner, it might be worth a shot.
                  Otherwise, pass.

                  • qwerty

                    I am not certain you realize how bleak the FA market will be for centerfielders for the next few years. The only alternative is to sign a 31 year Brett Gardner to a large 4 year contract after the 2014 season. I’d rather make the trade for a 26 year old Bourjos now and take my chances. He’s one of the top defensive centerfielders in the game.

        • D$1184

          Wow. That’s one of the worst downgrades I’ve heard in awhile. Brett Gardner is not exactly Ricky Henderson but he does have some offensive value. He was the second best hitter on the 2013 club behind Cano. Bourjos is a fourth outfielder. Nothing more.

  • Deacon

    Agree with Frank…no to Trumbo just re-sign Reynolds…similar stat lines and Reynolds is more flexible on defense

  • mitch

    Trumbo is basically Soriano with less speed.

    • Twains Yankee

      Why do I keep forgetting about Soriano. Ugh, I say no on both and hang with reynolds. They just have too many holes right now and their defense looks to be downright awful next year even without trumbo manning right field.

    • JGYank

      Exactly what I was thinking. But Trumbo is younger, more versatile, and less likely to decline especially if he moves to Yankee Stadium.

      • D$1184

        As a right-handed hitter, Trumbo wouldn’t get as much of a boost from the short right porch. I had Trumbo on my fantasy teams this year. His cold stretches saw him spend maybe 85% of the season on the bench. His versatility is the only thing that kept him on my roster but remember, defense doesn’t hurt you in fantasy baseball. In the actual game, he’s credited with being a third baseman because they gave him a third baseman’s mitt and told him to stand there, basically.

  • Greg

    Angels would ask for Nova.

  • Andrew Melillo

    I want are future pitching stAff to look like this ivan nova david phelps adam warren nuno an pineda

    • TCMiller30

      I don’t.

    • Mr. Roth

      I guess one of your requirements for a pitching staff is little or no major league experience?

      • TCMiller30

        It’s to match the little or no upside that Warren, Phelps and Nuno offer.

        • Mr. Roth

          An inexperienced pitching staff with minimal levels of potential…I guess that’s one way of getting below $189 million.

    • D$1184

      It won’t. I guarantee the Yankees at least add one veteran to that group. A Paul Malholm type or something.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      There’s an outside chance that team may be the Scranton Rail Riders.

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    Trade for speedy centerfielder that doesn’t steal as many bases as we think he should with wrist problems who hits ok but doesn’t have a tone of power? If only we had one of those…

  • Batsman

    No, to both.

    The Yankees need pitching and continue to develop Phelps.

    Mark Trumbo = Jason Giambi.

    No way.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Neither guy sounds like a match to me.

  • FRANK

    Over the last few years the Yankees have essentially been one of the worst run organizations in terms of long term building, maybe ever.

    1) Passed on a potential start-over trade of tex/cc
    2) Re-sign CC for his decline years..to another huge deal
    3) No farm system to speak of
    4 )Blew their on load, Montero, all over the floor…granted, most were happy with the trade at the time, but finding out 2-3 months after the trade that he had a bum should is unacceptable
    5) Looking to resign cano for 8 years
    6) Passed on chapman, soler, cespedes, puig, darvish, ryu, iglesias…probably b/c of all of that minor league strength (rolls eyes)
    7) Traded FOR vernon wells. Vernon wells. That alone makes it a bottom 5 in terms of worst run! And the paid 13MM+ for him!!!!!!
    8) Resigned ichiro for not one, but 2 years. SMH
    9) Chris Stewart was the starting catcher while a young prospect who could have used the experience sat on the bench. Chris stewart…pitch framer.

    There have been 1 or 2 good trades / signings (Kuroda, Granderson), but all in all…awful, just awful. I’m a fan of Brian Cashman, but what the hell is going on? Who is responsible for this mess?

    • Mr. Roth

      Tell me more about this alleged trade of CC and Teix please.

      I guess you heard this from an inside source [your colon]?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Your mama was bad at long-term development.

  • Mr. Roth

    I was all about making a deal for Trumbo Before we acquired Soriano last year. He would have really helped minimize Overbay’s exposure, would have been able to fill in a corner OF spot, and added RH power.

    Now we’ll have Teix back, and we have Soriano as a corner OF/DH. Not really a need for Trumbo anymore.

    Give me a 1 year deal for Mark Reynolds.