Saturday Night Open Thread

Marchand: Yankees could go on $300M spending spree this offseason
2013 Draft: Baseball America's Report Card

Happy Saturday, everyone. If you live in New York or the surrounding area, hopefully you’ve managed to avoid the massive Time Warner outage. That’s still going on right? Anyway, the Red Sox will look to advance to their third World Series in ten years with a win over the Tigers in ALCS Game Six, which will air a little after 8pm ET and can be seen on FOX (Clay Buchholz vs. Max Scherzer). All three hockey locals are playing and I’m sure there’s college football on someplace as well. You folks know these things work by now, so have at it.

Marchand: Yankees could go on $300M spending spree this offseason
2013 Draft: Baseball America's Report Card
  • RetroRob

    It’s a shame you have to get old.

  • ropeadope

    Tigers – Red Sox on Fox, not TBS.

  • Ethan

    Jesus, Buckholtz is pitching slowly. I really wish they would implement the time rule between pitches. This is ridiculous.

  • Mick taylor

    Has there been a red sox post season game since selig was the commissioner where the umpires blew a call which cost the reD sox a game like last year ‘s tiger yank playoff game 1 when the yanks got screwed out of game 1win by umps.. Answer: never!

    • Truther

      Weak. I despise Boston as well, but that is just childish and makes you lose all credibility.

      • BFDeal

        Credibility? Mick Taylor??

      • Mick taylor

        Do not worry, Joe west and crew will find away to help sox before series is over

      • Mick taylor

        Well moron, if you were watching the game schwerzer just struck out Bogarde. But no, the red sox biggest fans Joe west umpire crew called it a ball to give the series to sox. Yeah.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      ….and none of that will replace one of the teams currently playing in the ALCS with your favorite team, but you go ahead and keep on doing you.

  • Robinson Tilapia
    • ropeadope

      Loved the comment:

      Hopefully this doesn’t hurt the Mariners’ playoff chances.

    • RetroRob

      Jesus Montero no doubt was the brains behind the operation.

      Cashman failed!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I seem to have missed the Time Warner outage. Thank God.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Franklin Morales’s beard isn’t beardy enough.

  • lee

    Detroit’s base running in this series has been atrocious.

  • Tom

    Homeplate ump has been absurd with his righty strikezone and squeezing the crap out of Scherzer while giving Buchholz the outside corner.

    • lee

      ball four to Bogaerts was clearly a bad call. that one could hurt.

  • The Real Greg

    The embedded Red Sox might just send them to the series.

    • The Real Greg

      And he does with a Victorino grand slam following.

  • The Real Greg

    So while the Yankees were messing around in the offseason, the Red Sox were putting together a pennant winning team. And once again, it pays to have a farm system

    • vin

      Not for nothing, but those fuckers have done a good job over the years. A couple missteps along the way (bobby V, Crawford, etc), but they’ve done a good job of getting value from affordable players, much like the A’s and Rays.

      • The Real Greg

        You can thank Bill James for instilling that philosophy in that organization.

        The same thing Gene Michael did for the Yankees

    • pat

      Certainly got lucky someone took like 250 million worth of contracts of their hands for free.

      • Boston Wrong

        And with the money saved, Boston was able to sign eight free agents, including their own David Ortiz, for a total of 12 years at 100.7 million dollars. Players such as Mike Carp and Jake Peavy were also added. I’m not seeing an over abundance of home-grown talent right there.

  • lee

    a bad call, an error, and that’s the game.

    • Midland TX

      I think you missed the part where Jose Veras was left in to pitch in a high-leverage situation.

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  • Rolling Doughnut

    Weak pen meets good lineup. Simple as that.

  • forensic

    Well, that was about as predictable as it gets. Leyland takes out Scherzer to get to his piece of shit bullpen again and they blow it, of course helped hugely by an Iglesias error.

  • Roadgeek Adam

    *starts updating Dan Iassogna notes.*

  • vin

    So there’s five components to baseball…

    Hitting, base running, fielding, starting pitching and relief pitching.

    The Tigers apparently suck at three of them.

    • lee

      exactly. what we are seeing here is exactly how far ahead of everyone else the Red Sox are, as much as that sucks. and just how much the Yankees need to do to be competitive again with Boston.

      • BFDeal

        Boston also got a perfect storm of “career years” from unexpected players this year. If this exact same team is put on the field next year, they won’t win 97 games.

        • Waker

          Boston is not NY therefore the exact same team will not be on the field next year. Value > ticket sales

        • lee

          using Pythag records, Boston this year was a 101 win team, and the Yankees 79. that’s a 22 win differential. even discounting some “career years” for the Bosox, i would still argue that there’s a HUGE gap between the two teams.

  • OldYanksFan

    With Miggy and Prince useless, the Tigers didn’t stand much of a chance.

  • nycsportzfan

    Lets go Beltran and Company! Can we get a Wacha Wacha!!!!

  • nycsportzfan

    Whats everyones take on bringing in Jesse Crain as a possible 8th inning guy/ Closer if Robertson struggles in that positon? I know hes coming off shoulder issues, but i was wondering if anybody thought he was a good idea to go after , regardless.

    I actually like the idea, and think having a couple guys to fall back on just in case Robertson dosen’t excel at closing like he does in the 8th inning is a good idea.

    • Pat D

      If I thought he was fully healthy, maybe as a set-up guy. Closer? Nope.

    • forensic

      What reasoning is there that Crain would be any better option to close should Robertson not be able to do it?

      Over the last four years (which is being generous to Crain by not going back five years), their numbers in ERA, WHIP, H/9, HR/9, and BB/9 are nearly identical, except Robertson has struck out almost two more batters per 9 innings and has pitched nearly 40 more innings in that time frame.

      If you’re looking for the all-important ‘proven closer’ aspect, Robertson has more total saves and a better save %.

      Crain is older and coming off an arm injury, theoretically also making him more susceptible to being injured again in the near future.

      I’m all for having options in the pen should something happen to Robertson, but I think there are more important places for them to concentrate some of their money given all the other needs of the team.

  • Pat D

    Not that I was going to watch the World Serious anyway, but now I definitely won’t.

    Over/under on how many times either “Boston strong” or an allusion to the marathon bombing will be brought up? On how Boston is playing for the solidarity of their city (which, of course, no one gave a shit about the Yankees doing that post-9/11, but whatever)?

    • forensic

      I don’t know, off-hand I seem to remember a ton of talk about NY and 9-11 during the 2001 WS, especially during the amazingness of games 4 and 5.

      Another potential factor is that while 9-11 was BY FAR the worse overall tragedy, it was also far more national covering numerous states (though the worst was certainly in NY) than the marathon which was much more localized to Boston.

      I’m not saying it won’t potentially be sickening considering how things seem to end up when it involves Boston and the Sox, but there are differences between the two and I do remember allusions to 9-11 in 2001.

    • FIPster Doofus

      No one gave a shit about the Yankees playing for NYC after 9/11? That’s a lie if there ever was one.

      • Pat D

        Maybe it’s the passage of time and the fact that I’ve done my best to forget that series and has therefore skewed my memory.

        Or maybe it’s because MLB basically shit on the whole thing by picking Gonzalez’s hit as a candidate for one of the “greatest moments” in baseball history thing a few years back, where they framed the moment as “ending a dynasty.” It just smacked of Selig saying, “Ha ha! The Yankees got beat!” pettiness to me.

        • Rupert Pupkin

          I thought the D’Backs constant.playing of New York, New York during that blowout game was douchey.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I have zero issue with them doing that and, if they can replace the image of last winter with a more positive one, then good for them.

      Honestly, there are people I care for who are Sox fans. I could give three shots about St. Louis. I’m certainly don’t have a rooting, or even a watching, interest but, if you ask me who is prefer to win this, I’d go with the Sox. Who cares. They’re just baseball teams composed of guys who all know each other in the end.

  • Tom

    “The Los Angeles Dodgers offered left-hander Clayton Kershaw essentially a lifetime contract in the range of $300 million — “an A-Rod deal” — earlier this season, according to a source with knowledge of its scope and structure.”

    The plus side – maybe this takes them out of the equation for Cano?
    The down side – If Kershaw gets this, does Cano get less than 200mil?

    • forensic

      I’d be curious what that source considers a ‘lifetime contract’. Is it 10 years to get him to about age 35 or 15 years to get him to about age 40.

      Seems to me like there’s quite a difference between the $30 million per year and the $20 million per year, so much so that he’d probably have to strongly consider taking the $30 million but also strongly considering passing the $20 million.

      These vague phrases don’t seem to give us very much insight.

    • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

      I have a hard time believing this. There is absolutely no way any player will turn down 300 million dollars, especially a pitcher.

      • forensic

        But it’s not just about the total value, in my opinion. I think the years are extremely important.

        If it’s 10 years, then absolutely sign that thing before someone changes their mind. You could also still have a chance to make more after the deal if it all works out well.

        If it’s 15 years, then I would strongly consider not signing that at this point. He’s got another arbitration year where I imagine he’ll probably be good for around $15 million. Then become a free agent where competing teams will likely approach the 10 year/$300 million deal anyway, which gives you that $300 million, plus the $15 million, plus the four years after the contract to potentially add to it again.

      • Robinson Tilapia


        I also have a hard time believing any team could be that stupid as well.

  • Wayne

    Max scherzer looks like he puts so much effort to get the ball over the plate which is why he seems to get gased after 6 innings. Basically side arms the ball. Terrible followthrough in his delivery he is an arm injury waiting to happen. This is a weak year for the cy young race granted he won 21 games and deserves to win but still a weak year. There is a reason the tigers want to trade this guy in the offseason and I just mentioned why. Hope the yankees don’t trade for this guy ! Looking forward to what Bryan Mitchell and Jose Ramirez do next year and Vidal Nuno too. Nuno showed me something this year had they pitched him every five days as a starter he probably does not get hurt. It is not an exact science when it comes to injury but we misused Nuno basically last year. Hate it when girardi goes back and forth between starting and relieving a guy, we could have really used him down the stretch this year. Oh well looking forward to Ramirez and Mitchell progressing in 2014 really think bryan Mitchell could crack the rotation next year especially the way he finished this season a Ramirez could take longer but I think it will be worth the wait. Hope ip keeps him As as a starter and does not screw up his arm! I can just hear all the excuses people will make him if joe treats Ramirez like joba. ” Oh well he always got hurt in the minors that’s why he got hurt and had to have surgery” typical and ignorant response from fans I hear alot! “You might as well jump in the river” if you are going to say that !

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Can you hold still while I tie this anchor around your ankle?

  • Kevin

    In watching this series all I can say is I had flashbacks to the 2009 ALCS series.
    Yes we had good pitching and hitting but the Angels helped us with errors,bad baserunning and poor moves by the manager.
    That’s what happened this year,even more so I would say.
    The Red Sox starters were hittable yet time and time again we saw Detroit made stupid baserunning mistakes that killed innings.
    And I won’t even mention Prince Fielder.
    He cost the Tigers games all by himself.

  • OldYanksFan

    This 100%!
    Add in that Mr. Triple Crown could only post a .278 .350 .444 triple slash line. This series was VERY winnable for the Tigers, starting with blowing a late 4 run lead.

    I would more say the Tigers lost this series, rather than the Sox winning it.

  • mt

    I loathe the Boston Red Sox too and hope they lose in WS (not counting on it) but it seems RAB commenters have adopted this mantra: everything on field went perfect for Red Sox this year. I ssume that emans health and career years.

    But exactly who had a career year? I can give you Victorino probably (even though he missed 40 games). Ortiz? Pedroia? Ellsbury (2011 was better)? I have not looked extensively at their numbers but really would like to know the answer to the question. My feeling is that several people had good to great years but no positional veteran except Victorino and Nava had a career year (technical meanng of best year in their careers). Nava and Carp may have had career years that were surprising (and annoying) but they are not major pieces and relatively inexperienced so what is really their true level? I am mainly talking about big 3 – Ortiz, Pedroia, Ellsbury. Iglesias hit well early and that got Red Sox Peavy in a trade but Peavy was good but not great as Red Sox. Middlebrooks started strong but then had to be sent down to the minors before coming back and doing better.

    On pitching side, Koji Uehara had one of best seasons ever in terms of not allowing baserunners but who else on pitching side had a career year? Lester and Buchholz were much, much better than 2013 but neither had “career years” and Buchholz was injured for much of season. Given chaos of 2013, did we really expect Lestre to be that bad again?

    AS far as perfect storm and nothing going wrong, Pedroia had that thumb or hand injury from day one which I am sure impacted his results but Hanrahan and Bailey (not to mention Andrew Miller who was dealing) both going down is not a “perfect storm” – yes, Koji Uehara came in and was almost perfect but losing 2 closers cannot be deemed “nothing went wrong”. Everyone mentions Gomes, Napoli, and Victorino doing well but no one mentions that Dempster basically was a failure. John Lackey’s resurgence basically helped keep the heat off Dempster’s poor performance. Ellsbury was great and to some extent Drew too but they also missed a total of 66 games.

    I am sure I have gotten some of this Red Sox analysis wrong but as someone mentioned above I guess the point is that on a team wide Pythagorean basis we were 22 games worse than them in 2013. That is a lot of games to make up by expecting some major regression of Red Sox in 2014. Onus is mainly on Yankees to improve (RS also have some younger players who may show upside in 2014 like Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Webster, and de la Rosa).

    (The fact that Dodgers bailed them out does not count as “everything going right”. I am talking about what happened on field.)

    • mt

      As for Lester, meant “chaos of 2012 (Valentine year)”

  • Captain Turbo

    It would be a fitting end to Crapfest ’13 if the Sox won the WS.

    • Pat D

      Fitting? I guess.

      Welcome? A million times no.

  • Chris

    Interesting that the video shows nothing of Pettitte’s fantastic ’09 postseason performance, they go from 2000 directly to 2010.