2013 Winter Meetings Day Four Open Thread

(Thearon W. Henderson/Getty)

(Thearon W. Henderson/Getty)

The final day of the lamest Winter Meetings I can remember is upon us. The Rule 5 Draft starts the day — J.J. Cooper has a preview, including notes on several Yankees farmhands who figure to be selected — but the Yankees do not have an open 40-man roster, so they won’t be able to make a pick. Clubs and their executives tend to leave around midday Thursday, so don’t expect there to be many rumors or transactions in the afternoon. For shame.

Here are Monday’s, Tuesday’s, and Wednesday’s rumors. Late last night we learned the Yankees rejected a Brett Gardner-for-Brandon Phillips trade offer from the Reds, who are looking to unload their second baseman and the $50M left on his contract. We’re going to keep track of Thursday’s worthwhile rumors right here. All times are ET.

  • 9:26pm: The Yankees were involved in trade talks for Brett Anderson before he was dealt to the Rockies. [Susan Slusser]
  • 5:31pm: While talking to Johan Santana’s agent, Brian Cashman showed some interest in hard-throwing but not-always-strike-throwing reliever Henry Rodriguez. [David Waldstein]
  • 5:28pm: The Yankees made their offer to Infante after Robinson Cano agreed to sign with the Mariners and before the Winter Meetings, which basically means last weekend. [Olney]
  • 2:49pm: Apparently there was a three way trade being discussed involving Gardner, Justin Masterson, and Didi Gregorius. Gardner would have wound up with the Indians, Masterson with the Diamondbacks, and Gregorius with the Yankees. Huh. [Sweeny Murti]
  • 1:10pm: Mark Ellis is “on the radar” as an Infante alternative for the Yankees. I looked at him as a possible target yesterday. [Ken Rosenthal]
  • 12:20pm: The team’s offer to Infante is in the three-year, $24M range. He’s seeking four years and $40M. [Sherman]
  • 12:09pm: The Yankees have offered Omar Infante a three-year contract. He is still holding out for a fourth year. The Royals are in the mix as well. [Jon Heyman]
  • 9:00am: Future talks about Gardner and Phillips could be expanded to include other players, but the Yankees have essentially told teams they will only trade Gardner for a starting pitcher. They listened on Phillips out of due diligence. [C. Trent Rosecrans & Joel Sherman]
  • Masahiro Tanaka remains the team’s top pitching priority. The new posting system is expected to be ratified soon but it’ll probably be another week or so before we find out whether Tanaka will actually be posted. Maybe longer. [George King]
  • The Yankees are one of Joaquin Benoit’s likeliest destinations along with the Indians, Padres, Mariners, and Cubs. He’s seeking $7-10M annually across multiple years. Matt looked at Benoit as a free agent target earlier this week. [Jeff Passan & Buster Olney]
  • While talking to reporters yesterday, Brian Cashman said the pool of available of second baseman is “deeper” than it is at third. He also said he has not spoken to a bullpen candidate who demanded the closer’s job. [Chad Jennings]

Reminder: Your trade proposal sucks.


  1. Joe R says:

    Tommy Kahnle just drafted by the Rockies in the Rule 5 draft with the 5th pick.

    • Preston says:

      I’d bet that he comes back, 6.8 BB/9 at AA last year doesn’t scream ready to stick at MLB for a full year, especially at Coors.

  2. DERP says:

    Burawa not getting picked is nice

  3. TWTR says:

    Jesus! Montero is available; Smoak too. I like the odds that at least one reaches his potential once they escape that park.

  4. DERP says:

    Ravel Santana went first overall in the AAA portion of the draft.

  5. DERP says:

    Mikey O’Brien gone as well

    • The Great Gonzo says:

      DAMMIT. I was looking forward to him winning the JoVa award in 2016. Here’s to hoping he gets sent back or something.

  6. DERP says:

    Felipe Gonzalez of the GCL team and Kelvin Castro of Charleston also gone.

  7. Nick says:

    This is carnage! Five (FIVE) players gone. Will be a long shot if any of them last (apart from Ravel who I understand is gone for good now) but still – FIVE!

  8. I'm a looser and a trader baby so why don't you kill me? says:

    Fear of the Day (FotD)™: we lose someone in the Rule 5 draft who actually sticks in the bigs this year.

  9. KennyH123 says:

    5 guys lost in the Rule 5.. gotta be some kind of record.

  10. John C says:

    Suprised Whitley didn’t get picked. Fred Lewis either. Good chance we get Kahnle back at some point

  11. nycsportzfan says:

    7-10mill per yr for Benoit! Thats crazy! At any point middle relievers with his kinda stuff(nothing spectacular) can have yrs that are terrible outta the blue. There has got to be better bargains then that out there.

    • Bavarian Yankee says:


      you know he’s been closing for the Tigers last year and has been one of the very best set-up men around the majors for years? His demands aren’t crazy at all and (I guess) nobody ever said he’s going to be a bargain. Every decent middle reliever gets 5+ million a year these days.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        SO what. Hes been in the league since 2001 and just started saving games last yr and is 35yrs old. He has nothing special and is anything but worth 7-10million per. Thats just silly. Hes not even a established closer.

    • Preston says:

      I mean they’re the ones writing the checks, as long as they don’t cheap out later in the off-season you could do worse than getting Benoit as your setup man.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      New rule: No one advocating for Brandon Phillips can complain about any other contract left available out there.


      • nycsportzfan says:

        Ya, but at least phillips plays the main positon of need left on our roster and is Right handed with some pop. He also just won a GG at the positon last yr. But i didn’t realize he had a no trade clause and would probably want more money. I woulden’t advocate for it if that is true. Otherwise, i like the idea. We got speed still in Ellsbury , ichiro, and Sori. I would rather have a positon like 2nd base filled with a consistent right handed hitter, who has pop.

  12. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    If a Rule 5 player comes back, do we have to give the money back? That’s kind of a crap deal…

    • Bob Buttons says:

      We get 50k and get to buy them back for 25k, if they go through waivers unclaimed.

      The waiver claim team would have to offer us back to 25k if they don’t keep him in the majors either.

  13. The Great Gonzo says:

    So the door is NOT closed on a Bailey for Gardy swap, right? That just makes too much goddam sense.

    I am going to go on a limb and say that ifr I was in the Yankees shoes, I would eat that entire Phillips contract if we got Bailey for Gardner and not much more (like, Warren?). He could be a game-changer for the Yankees.

  14. MartinRanger says:

    What a bore of a Winter Meetings though: there was the Trumbo trade, but that’s pretty much the only thing of any significance that happened. Not at all what you would expect.

  15. TWTR says:

    As Cashman has said, he wants a player they can keep for multiple years for Gardner, and that makes sense.

  16. Josh S. says:

    File this under “your trade proposal sucks”:

    Three-way deal

    NYY gets Cliff Lee or Cole Hamels
    Sea gets Brett Gardner
    Phillies get Jesus Montero and Michael Pineda

  17. Mike says:

    Pineda and Montero have tremendous promise. Good trade for them.

  18. Cuso says:

    “I’m berry happy that ownershit showed me love.”

    Freudian slip?

  19. UncleArgyle says:

    Gardner for Gregorius? I actually like that idea. Jeter to DH or 3rd?

    • Mr. Roth says:

      Do you think a move from SS to 2B, or a move from SS to 3B would be easier for Jeter (not that I actually think it would happen)?

      Personally I think he’d do better at 2B. He has a hard enough time making the throws to 1B from SS. I don’t think he’d do any better having to make the throw from 3B.

      • UncleArgyle says:

        I’m thinking third would be easier. It’s not Jeters arm strength that’s diminished, it’s his lateral quickness. That’s much easier to hide at 3rd.

        • RkyMtnYank says:

          I agree completely, plus Jeter has always and probably still should charge the ball very well too.

          • 461deep says:

            Would love to see Jesus Montero back with the Yankees but do not see it happening. He had a decent first year in Seattle but poor second year. Still very young so should get another chance and may be a good one year trial fit in Toronto or Baltimore as a back-up catcher and DH against lefties. Be great if he could lean how to play first base. Cannot replace Cano but if age does not hurt them too much the lineup looks good for next year with newcomers.

  20. RetroRob says:

    While I’d like to have Didi Gregorius on the team since he could play second then shift over to SS when Jeter heads out, fact is it will weaken the Yankees in 2014. Gregorius will deliver less value that Gardner in 2014, and the Yankees are trying to increase their wins.

    Perhaps those were the key players discussed, but other ones would have been involved.

    • TWTR says:

      You’re right, Gardner is a over a 3 WAR player. He contributes a lot to this team and he would be missed if they don’t get a comparably valuable replacement.

    • Preston says:

      It’s not just the players involved though, yes Gregorius is probably only around a 2 win player, maybe less playing at 2b instead of SS, and Gardner is probably a 3 or better. But you also free up Gardner’s salary, probably going to be around 4 million and the salary we would have spent on a 2b, weather that’s 8-10 million for Infante or 12.5 million to Phillips, or somebody else. Gregorius and 12-16 million for other things is probably more valuable to the 2014 club than Gardner, and then obviously 4 more cost controlled years of Gregorius on top of that. I don’t advocate for trading Gardner, I don’t like the idea of Beltran and Soriano both being counted on for 150 games in the OF (and really don’t like the idea of Ichiro playing a significant role) but if they’re going to trade him, this is the type of deal that they should do.

  21. Mykey says:

    I just suddenly got SHOCKED that Cano signed with the Mariners. I mean, obviously I knew about it, but I guess I didn’t really internalize it until just now. This is so weird.

  22. lightSABR says:

    Joba to Tigers. Farewell, future ace – I mean, future heir to Rivera – I mean, well… Whatever I mean, farewell. May you have a long and outstanding career against every team but us.

  23. Ryan says:

    “I don’t think about the money”

    “I didn’t feel any respect… I was hoping they would come up with a better offer. My goal was to stay there.”

  24. gbyanks says:

    if the royals sign infante does anyone think they would make Bonifacio available? They need a more legit backup catcher, and a utility man maybe cervelli and nunez. id throw in one of the young pitchers(phelps, warren, nuno) to sweeten the deal. at that point it would be an overpay but id like bonifaio a lot more then Ellis at second or Young or Reynolds at third

    • RkyMtnYank says:

      I think I’d rather sweeten the Infante deal to 3/30 if it’s doable rather than all the other options. Think he would take that over 4/40 from the Royals to be a Yankee?

  25. Favrest says:

    Here’s my trade proposal:

    Gardner and Teixeira for Howard, Papelbon and Lee. Philly eats half of Howard’s contract and a portion of Lee’s.

  26. dennyneagleshooker says:

    terrible. take a lap.

    I would be interested in seeing if Colorado would part with Jhoulys Chacin or Jorge De La Rosa. Not sure if they would be interested in dumping pitching, but maybe a package of Gardner & Phelps/JR Murphy would get them to talking. Same goes with Lubke of San Diego. Haven’t heard anything on these guys though, so most likely not even available.

  27. Favrest says:

    I admit that I have never liked Papelbon, the guy. He’s been less than stellar in Philly, but truth be told, I didn’t like Wade Boggs or Roger Clemens either, and they made fine Yankees. You gotta give to get. Yanks never want to make the big trade. With my proposal, of course, it is a fantasy, the Yankees would not absorb more than half of Howard, Lee and Papelbon’s contract.

    I think Lee is the type of pitcher who can pitch well late into his career. His control is amazing. Both Teix and Howard have been banged up, but w Teix’s wrist injury, we don’t know when we’ll get him back, if ever. Howard is no dream either. As far as Papelbon and Gardner go, I think Gardner’s speed will drop soon, and who knows, maybe Papelbon will bounce back?

    No one in their right would have predicted that Jon Lester and John Lackey would lead the Sox to a WS, but a new manager meant a new invironment and it changed everything.

    Bottom line, no one is going to hand us an all star pitcher for nothing, so Cash got to be creative – something he’s not very good at.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      We don’t need to go nuts in order to land an aging all-star pitcher. We need someone who can comfortably slot in the middle of the rotation with some flashes of being more than that.

      We also need a separate pot of gold tucked away for Tanaka.

      No thanks on Howard. No thanks on Pap Smear.

      • Favrest says:

        I agree w you in that I don’t want Howard or Papelbon. But tell me this, with CC throwing 93, Kuroda’s arm falling off by August and a half a season worth of a great Ivan Nova, who will carry this staff? We have a bunch of average guys already, but unless we somehow see dramatic improvement in CC, we have no ace.

        Cashman, and Yankee management have held into their prospects so long that now, guys like Hughes and Joba have proved to be completely worthless. David Adams was the player who Cashman wouldn’t give up for Cliff Lee. WTF, Cash, you just cut that guy.

        If my choice is sign Matt Garza for $125 million or Ervin Santana for 80, I’d rather roll the dice on a team shake up. I don’t want to lose Gardner, and I love Teix’s glove, but what will land us a legit MLB pitcher? We offered Gardner for Bailey. They said no. I’m impressed w Cashman’s restraint in rejecting the Phillips offer, but that is the kind of deal we’re being offered. We eat salary, and we have to absorb yet another crippling salary.

        We’re now faced w a situation that requires Cashman to be creative. Outside of a salary dump, when was the last time he added a REAL star?

        • BFDeal says:

          When are you guys going to give up the myth that Cashman wouldn’t give up Adams in the Cliff Lee trade? It’s getting ridiculous. Adams was injured and the M’s said no.

        • Get Phelps Up says:

          “Outside of a salary dump, when was the last time he added a REAL star?”

          Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann?

          • jjyank says:

            Yeah, and nevermind CC, Tex, and AJ in 2009. And Swisher, who was far closer to being a star than most Yankee fans give him credit for.

            It was 5 years ago. But let’s not act like such actions are foreign to this FO.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          Please just stop. Everything. Just stop.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          In all seriousness, though:

          1. I’m concerned about the rotation as well. If that’s your expectation before the season even starts, though, I don’t know what to say. Not everything will go straight off a cliff.

          2. Speaking of Cliffs, get over it already.

          3. There are zero reports anywhere as to either Garza or Santana getting anywhere near those numbers. Even the teams linked to Garza are supposedly balking at four years.

          4. jjyank said the obvious, but let’s pretend you meant pitchers. If young pitchers haven’t panned out, what do you want the organization to do, hand out mega contracts to potential aces every two seasons? That’ll go over well on here. It’s going to hurt somewhere when things don’t all go as planned.

  28. Wayne says:

    What are realistically our chances of getting Didi Gregorious from diamondbacks? Who would we have to give up besides Gardner?

    • jjyank says:

      Hopefully just Gardner, if that? Consider me not in the pro-Didi camp. Good defender, below average bat? Yeah he’s young, but I’d much rather try to get pitching out of Gardner. And good pitching. I’d much rather keep Gardner unless I’m blown away.

  29. Wayne says:

    Is getting hit in the head a concern though?

  30. Wayne says:

    Does Jose Ramirez either get a shot as starter in the majors this year or put in the bullpen due to our lack of depth or forced to do both and possibly ala joba get hurt? what could we get for him realistically, if we don’t know what to do with the guy?

  31. Dr. Grenaldine says:

    MLBTR has the Yankees and Tigers toying with the idea of a Brett Gardner for Austin Jackson swap. First of all, why? And secondly, why is Austin Jackson set to get more in arbitration than Brett Gardner at this point?

    • mitch says:

      It’s definitely a weird trade, but I think i’d do it. Two years of Jackson is better than one year of Gardner. One year of Jackson might even be better than one year of Gardner.

      • TWTR says:

        If they can’t trade Gardner for a young starter with upside, I would do it too.

      • Kosmo says:

        The only thing I can come up with is a swap of a righty for a lefty. Right now Avila and Dirks are the only LHH in the lineup which isn´t saying much. The Tigers traded Fielder a LHH. The Yanks are a LHH oriented right now.
        Unless there are more players involved it remains something of a head scratcher.
        I´d take Jackson on 2 years. More power, great OF.

  32. TWTR says:

    Logan is reportedly going to the Rockies. He had his highs and lows here but was never a reliable LOOGY. They can do better and likely will as building bullpen depth has been their biggest strength since Girardi replaced Torre.

    • The Great Gonzo says:

      He was a streaky player. He went on runs where he could not get out of an AB without plunking a LHB, and went on runs where he could handle batters on both sides of the plate. Another enigma coming out of the pen…

      I like the deal overall for Colorado (3/$12m is great value when he’s on), but for the Yankees I think there are better values out there for a strict LOOGY. Hell, one could argue we have better LOOGYs (strict LOOGYs) on the roster already.

    • mitch says:

      Logan was a step up from a LOOGY because he wasn’t awful against righties. 3/15 is definitely a lot though. I’m fine with Cabral, et al for that role.

Leave a Reply

You may use <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong> in your comment.

If this is your first time commenting on River Ave. Blues, please review the RAB Commenter Guidelines. Login for commenting features. Register for RAB.