Christmas Open Thread


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone. Barring some kind of breaking news — rumor has it the Rakuten Golden Eagles may announce whether they will post Masahiro Tanaka at some point in the next 48 hours — I don’t anticipate posting anything either today or tomorrow. Even if you don’t celebrate Christmas, enjoy the downtime and family and friends and all that. Feel free to talk about whatever right here over the next two days.

(Here is last night’s open thread. I bumped it back a day just so the top two posts were open threads.)

Categories : Open Thread


  1. JV says:

    All I want for Christmas is 2 starting pitchers, a 3rd baseman and some bullpen arms :-)

    • King George says:

      You have a better chance asking Santa.

    • King George says:

      P.s. 189 Million doesn’t buy what it does for every other organization.

      • Yankfan88 says:

        Could not agree more. Look at the Cardinals and Athletics for example. Both great teams with great front offices, and under 189 mil.

        • Laz says:

          And in both cases (2006/2011) the Cards would not have been nearly as good to even get to the postseason if they were in the AL East. Especially 2006, An 83 win team would have been nothing in any other division.

          Then people point to the A’s. Just back in 2011 they were an 88 loss team. And 2012 was their first time back in the playoffs since 2006. People are all up in arms because the Yankees missed the playoffs one year, yet we are saying why can’t we be like the A’s who missed 5 straight seasons?

  2. Alkaline says:

    Just wanted to say thanks Mike, for all the work you put into this site. While I don’t always agree with what you say or what other posters say, this is still an awesome site to discuss the Yanks and baseball. You’ve provided an amazing resource here for those willing to expand their baseball knowledge.

    Hope you (and everyone here) have some great holidays.

  3. dars says:

    It is quite clear, the Steinbreinner brothers are no winners and simply businessmen. They knew they had to do something to energize the fan base and that is why they went after Ellsbury, McAnn and Beltran, but their plan has been all along to stay under 189M at the cost of winning. If they cared about winning they would sign an established bullpen guy and a starting pitcher plus another solid infielder. They are standing pat, they will use the ARod excuse, the Yankees will be under 189M with a team that will compete but will not even come close to winning. The Dodgers have become the new Yankees and the Yankees have become the Philadelphia Phillies, a few good players but not enough to win it all….
    I am not falling for this trick…

    • The Great Gonzo says:

      You must have an idea of how you sound right now, right?

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      A Merry Christmas to you too.

    • King George says:

      Well said, dars. Most here will mock you, but you are absolutely correct. This team and organization are rudderless on the field and focused only on profits off the field.

      Bah humbug.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        A Merry Christmas to you too.

      • I'm One says:

        As a business, they need to be focused on profits. How they arrive at those profits is what frustrates us. As fans, we want to see the team win championships, thereby increasing ticket sales, merchandise sales, advertising revenue, etc. which is then put back into the team. We want to see this as a continuous cycle each and every year. Unfortunately, the landscape changes in business from time to time and organizations sometimes need to take a step back and regroup, change their strategy, and then move on. Apple wasn’t always on top. They had a nice run, stumbled, reorganized and came back stronger. I hope this is what the Yankees are doing now. Time will tell.

        • The Great Gonzo says:

          This, on the heels of everyone bitching about them overspending on Tex 5 years ago to the day and that they shouldn’t have spent all the money.

          The lesson here, as always, is that you can’t please everyone. The Steinbrenners conceding to that fact and saying “Fuck it, imma do me” should not be viewed as a sign of ‘NON WINNERZ”, rather as the anti-A Rod… Not trying to please the world, and instead trying to do what they gotta do.

          • I'm One says:

            The lesson here, as always, is that you can’t please everyone.

            Therefore, I think they should just try to please me. :-)

          • King George says:

            No, the lesson is: Don’t spend dumb money. Teix was a dumb contract as an underpowered 1B. So was Burnett. Only Sabathia was necessary and that’s because they can’t develop their own pitching.

            Same deal this off-season. Ellsbury will prove to be a dumb contract especially in comparison to Gardner. McCann was dumb relative to Martin. Even Beltran was dumb relative to letting Swisher go.

            By all means, they should be spending – ALOT. But if they are going to pretend they have a budget, spend wisely. They don’t.

            • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

              So how else should they have spent this year?

              • King George says:

                This year? They were planning this year for the last two off-seasons. Or didn’t you notice they did jacksheet last year?

                Then when they lost $60M in ticket revenue they realized the off-season headlines matter…until they wind up in 4th place again. Whoops!

                As for your question, go compare WAR for Martin/Swisher to McCann/Beltran. Granderson on his deal is better than Ellsbury on his.

                • BFDeal says:

                  And if they had resigned Swisher, Granderson, and Martin, you would be crying that they didn’t bring anyone new into the lineup. Then we would hear your old chants about how Swisher sucks in the postseason or Grandy K’s too much. Bottom line, you’d whine and moan no matter who they signed.

                  • King George says:

                    You know me, how? My criticism is tied to their horrible management.

                    They also wouldn’t have been a fourth place team in 2013. With Swisher and Martin alone (over Stewart and Ichiro/Wells) they would have been that much closer to the playoffs.

                    • BFDeal says:

                      I know you from your constant crying over any and every thing they do. NY could win the WS in five games and you would criticize the fact it wasn’t won in four.

                • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

                  Everything BFDeal said.

            • Laz says:

              In all those cases though you say they should have gotten the inferior player. Every large fa contract is overpaid, because you pay then as if they were healthy. That doesn’t mean they don’t help. Arod is way overpaid, but wasn’t he a very essential part of 2009?

            • Hawkeye says:

              I am constantly amazed at the lack of perspective of posters like King George. George Steinbrenner owned the Yankees for 37 years. The Yankees won the World Series 7 times during that period- 4 of them in one 5 year period. (That means they didn’t win 30 times) That also means they only won 3 times during the other 32 years. They went from 1978 until 1996 without a title, all under George. Most of you seem to think the Yankees should win the World Series multiple times per decade or the FO must be stupid or incompetent. And that if George were alive today the Yanks would win every year. It must be the opinion of many of you that George cared about profits more than winning for a 17 year period, because they went that long without a WS title. You can always be a Mets fan. They’ve won twice in 52 years!

        • King George says:

          People have been saying that on the Yankees, and Cashman in particular, for at least a decade. 2009 was a nice distraction but it didn’t change anything. They overspent wildly while developing no internal talent. So the payroll is still bloated, old, and mediocre. It was that way in 2005-2008 as well.

          As to their profits, they cleared $300M last year on ticket sales alone (after $360M in 2012). Do the math – they have no trouble making money. Now they are just greedy bastards. And most fans fall for it. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful motivator.

      • BFDeal says:

        Actually, we’ll mock both of you.

    • Joseph says:

      I for one have been mostly happy with the Yankee’s moves so far this off season and I fully expect more moves will be made after a few things are sorted out. Perhaps a little patience would be good here.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        You’ll soon learn that there is a select group of special commenters who believe that opening day is tomorrow.

      • King George says:

        Their strategy is working – build enough interest to turn around the attendance and ratings but don’t spend enough to actually matter. Make more money and save on the luxury tax.

        Perhaps you could stand to be more objective?

        • Joseph says:

          Perhaps you stand to be more objective?

          • King George says:

            Objective is noting they are still a fourth place team. They spent all that money to land right back where they started.

            • I'm One says:

              I don’t understand why you fail to realize that the Yankees are a for profit organization. Like it or not, their job is to maximize the return on investment for their ownership. Putting a winning product on the field may or may not be the best way to maximize revenue and return

              • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

                Either he’s a filthy heathen Commie socialist, or he seems to think that he’s paying for the salaries of the players exclusively.

                • I'm One says:

                  Maybe both.

                  • King George says:

                    Yeah, cause that’s why they got public dollars and public land to build the caste-based stadium.

                    But then I suppose those goodies are available to every NYC business?

                    • I'm One says:

                      Whether you believe it or not, a lot of extremely large corporations negotiate sweetheart deals to remain within particular cities. The Yankees aren’t any different than most sports organizations in many cities and, while they may not get as much public funding and certainly not as much publicity about the funding, many publicly trading large corporations also get favorable treatment by NYC and other cities. It’s part of the game (and part of why some cities run into financial trouble. These things need to be managed very carefully).

                    • King George says:

                      Oh, I see, you Commie sympathizer. Just because it happens doesn’t make it right. The Yankees easily clear hundreds of millions a year. Their business is doing just fine, including by hiding profits in YES.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      Yankees easily clear hundreds of millions a year?


                    • King George says:

                      Yes they do.


                      $295,000,000 from tickets alone. Any idiot can do that math. And that doesn’t count MLB revenues, TV+radio, concessions, advertisement, merchandise.

                      They are doing just fine; and not one fan should give two shakes of the difference. Few of us will ever know the wealth the Steinkids were born into and now freely profit from.

                    • Alkaline says:

                      I’m sure King George wouldn’t have taken advantage of such opportunities..

                    • BFDeal says:

                      It’s painfully obvious you do not understand a thing about business and profit.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      You realize that’s revenues, not profits, right?
                      You linked to an article that doesn’t remotely address the fact you claimed.
                      They have high revenues. In the neighborhood of $600M.
                      They also have high expenses.
                      Please link to anything that shows they “clear hundreds of millions”. I’m guessing you can’t.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        In case it wasn’t obvious enough, one of their elite members just reassured you that what I said was true.

  4. Kramerica Industries says:

    Did EVERYONE forget about Festivus or something last night? No mentions at all.

  5. Pseudoyanks says:

    Stay away from the meatballs Mike. stick to The Seven Fish feast.

  6. I'm a looser and a trader baby so why don't you kill me? says:

    For those that do, Merry Christmas. For those that don’t, Happy Holidays.

    Thanks all.

  7. The Great Gonzo says:

    Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays to you Mike, Joe, Ben and the Ghost of Matt Warden.

  8. Mike says:

    It might be possible to win without going over the cap. But unlikely the way things are right now. I blame the MLB for instituting rules that make it harder for us to win. I guess they want other teams to win this time.

  9. Alkaline says:

    So this turned into a cheery open thread! Fa la la la la…

  10. dars says:

    The Dodgers front office on signing Chris Perez:
    “Chris expressed an interest in coming here and pitching in any role Don asks of him,” said Colletti. “We see him adding depth and experience to our bullpen and while Kenley [Jansen] and Brian [Wilson] will close games, we play so many tight games that we couldn’t pass up the chance to add another reliever who has experienced success in the 7th, 8th and 9th inning. It’s a great opportunity for both Chris and the Dodgers.”
    When will the Yankees talk like that again, we don’t have a bullpen and they are not jumping at the opportunity of signing someone like Balfour….

  11. David Brown says:

    I want to wish Mike and everyone here a Merry Christmas. RAB is a gift that keeps giving. Why? Because it costs us nothing, while being the NUMBER ONE source of Yankee News anywhere. I am here because I have my new g/f making homemade Tamales (I cannot wait to try them), and I need to keep out of the kitchen,so it is chat here. Lets all have Peace On Earth, Good Will Towards Men, and for next year Title #28 (although she would not be Happy (Diamondbacks Fan)). Merry Christmas everyone.

  12. CashmanNinja says:

    via Rotoworld:

    According to Sponichi in Japan, the Rakuten Golden Eagles have decided to post right-hander Masahiro Tanaka.
    Given the nature of this saga and its constant conflicting reports, this news item must be taken with a grain of salt.

    Hope this is true!!

    • Christmas Miracle says:

      There was some speculation a few days back that the decision — whatever it may be — might be announced on Christmas Eve. If nothing else, it fits the timing.

  13. dkidd says:

    happy holidays to everyone!

    my wife is making emeril lagasse’s brisket
    my son and i are making snickerdoodles

    life is good

  14. Dan says:

    MLB Trade Rumors also reported that Tanaka will be posted. Really hope the Yankees go all in for him – they need him at the front of the rotation, this year and for the next 5-7 years.

  15. Nathan says:

    So my understanding is that anyone that bids the maximum $20M can then negotiate with Tanaka, correct? That means that nearly every team will do so and exchange contract figures with him. I hope the Yankees brass is all in agreement to go all in and understands that other teams will be doing so as well.

    Let’s hope the Steinbrenner brothers give Cashman the green light to not be outbid and land Tanaka.

    • Nathan says:

      Oh and does this mean that the Yankees will essentially throw the $189M plan out the window? I don’t think they’ll let Tanaka go while waiting for A-Rod’s hearing so does it not make sense to just say to he11 with the $189M now?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      I don’t think anyone actually even has to submit a bid.
      I believe Tanaka can just negotiate with anyone, and whoever signs him will just have to pay the $20M.

      • Yanktime says:

        They all have to submit bids because that’s how it’s determined the winner(s), meaning which team(s) can negotiate with the player.

        In Tanaka’s case it won’t matter since every team with an interest in him will submit the maximum $20 million bid because of his skill level and the expected interest level by MLB teams. Yet imagine lesser players being posted, which happens all the time, and in fact is the norm. Some teams will submit $2M or $3M or $10M bids, etc. bids for specific players, and the team with the highest bid wins the right to negotiate. If there is a tie, then the two or three or whatever number of teams can all negotiate.

        In many cases only one team will win the bid, so there really won’t be any chance for a bidding war. In Tanaka’s case, we know many teams will submit the maximum bid, which will create a true bidding war for his services. This system clearly benefits the better players.

        • forensic says:

          There is no more bidding, the Japanese team says how much the fee will be and the teams have to be willing to pay that or not be able to negotiate.

          • Yanktime says:

            Thanks, yes, caught that in the other thread.

            Overall, much better for the players…I think. Perhaps this will allow a Japanese team to try and overprice a player if they don’t really want to lose him. I’m talking about good, but lesser players. A Tanaka-level player can never be priced out with the $20M cap.

            Have any other players been posted since the new rules came in? Curious what the posting fee request is for them.

  16. 28 this year says:

    Thank god, Tanaka will be posted. The Yanks should go hard after this guy.

  17. jjyank says:

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays to most of you. I was gonna say all, until I say certain people being massive dicks on the internet on freaking Christmas Eve. So, fuck you guys.

    Happy and healthy wishes to the rest of you though. The ROVP loves you! :)

  18. Bob Buttons says:

    Merry Holidays to yall even if you self identify as a prick.

  19. Get Phelps Up (looking for a new name) says:

    The best non baseball time of the year.

    Merry Christmas, y’all.

  20. Deep Thoughts says:

    M’s sign Cano’s cousin with comical name

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