Dec
15

Goold: Cardinals agree to one-year deal with Mark Ellis

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Via Derrick Goold: The Cardinals and free agent second baseman Mark Ellis have agreed to a one-year contract, pending a physical. He was reportedly on the Yankees’ radar during the Winter Meetings. With Omar Infante heading to the Royals, the free agent infielder pickin’s are mighty slim nowadays.

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  1. Will says:

    I’m ok with a stopgap 2B like Kelly Johnson. That being said, I’d love to trade for Howie Kendrick. I think a package headlined by Gary Sanchez gets it done. He’s no Cano obviously but he’s above average offensively and defensively.

    • Projectneox says:

      I think at this point I hope they just go into the season with Johnson at second. I really hope they don’t trade away Sanchez, at least not for a veteran infielder, a high end pitching prospect maybe, but not a player on the decline.

    • Joey says:

      why in hell would the Angels want to trade their productive starting 2nd baseman before the season starts

      • RetroRob says:

        They did announce he was on the market earlier, although I suspect that with the trade of Trumbo they are probably not looking to move him. Yet, in answer to your question, he was on the market.

    • Preston says:

      I like Kelly Johnson as much as the next guy. But he isn’t good enough to play 2b and 3b. We need to find another infielder somewhere.

    • This just sux. Its obvious now cashman and steinbrenner just went crazy with mccann ellsbury and beltran just to make some splashy moves with no regard to the 189. Now that theyre bumping up against it, its back to last year’s spending pattern, that is to say every journeyman in the world will be brought in to fill the infield holes. lets face it these excuses are ridiculous; they didnt want to go a fourth year on infante, but they didnt want to go a fourth year on beltran either right? Heres what it boils down to: cashman ran home from the grocery store, showed steinbrenner the bill and how much he spent on desserts and goodies, and now theres nothing left to buy the meat and potatoes, the essentials. plan 189 is a mandate not a goal. hal says let them eat cake!

      • Rick says:

        What time is the first game tomorrow?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          I get that. Completely. Really, I do.

          There were good options out there they should have gone in on. I admit they were overpays, but this is an off-season of overpaying like crazy.

          Perhaps there’s a rabbit to be pulled out of a hat here, and certainly plenty of time for that. It’s just a hell of a lot harder to do. It’s also second AND third base which need to be resolved, and we’re still just talking position players.

      • ^ says:

        Please ask yourself 3 questions:

        1. Are you really a Yankee fan?

        2. Do you truly believe that you have any idea what you are talking about?

        3. Do you think certain signings were made with the business in mind or should the Yanks just act sloppy drunk whenever the opportunity exists? Such as, throwing a 4 year contract to player that as of 2 years ago, wasn’t a full-time 2nd baseman. Throwing a quarter billion dollars at a player who really was more about himself than the team (we see how wonderful that worked out with the last guy). Has Cashman not proven in recent years that he and his cabinet are excellent at plugging holes with “journey men” more than most teams in the league. A strategy that started with the Yanks and seems to be used among more teams these days. So if the Yanks didn’t sign McCann then you’d be bitching about not having a catcher, correct? If they didn’t sign Beltran, you’d be bitching about how Ichiro and Soriano and his lower defensive prowlness is not up to your liking. Should the Yanks just go out and buy the Cardinals and pick what they want for their team? Anything short of that and it sounds like you won’t be happy.

        • Joey says:

          Infante has been a full time player for the last 4 seasons… are you just guessing?

          • ^ says:

            146 games at 2nd in 2011
            144 games at 2nd in 2012
            118 games at 2nd in 2013

            Hardly a “full-time” resume. Yanks were good with their 3 yr offer. 2 years would have been better. Infante is the type of guy that 2 years ago the Yanks pick him up for a year and $7.5mm.

            • Joey says:

              It’s 149 games in 2012, 148 in 2011, 134 in 2010. He’s been a consistent enough player for the last 4 seasons… he had an ankle injury last season and missed some time.

              • Joey says:

                There’s nobody on the FA market, and the Yankees have no farm system. The going rate for a ‘win’ on the open market is about 4-5 million… Infante has far exceeded that production every year of the past 4 seasons. Not wanting to give the 4th year is understandable, but an extra 6 million in 2018 is peanuts to the Yankees. You are confusing signing a ‘long term deal,’ like a Cano type contract, with an extra 6 million for a position player who is very likely to at least provide his weight

              • Uh Dinnings says:

                That means Infante played all but 52 games 2010-12 – hardly a “part-time” player.

                Poster ” ^ ” stop smoking marijuana because your brain is lacking braincells.

        • Joey says:

          I don’t know any Yankee fan that felt they needed to sign 2 expensive outfielders this season with Gardner and Soriano already out there, AND Jeter/Arod(if he plays) needing significant DH time. What they need is infield help… and of course, starting pitching.

          • Preston says:

            The Yankees didn’t sign two OFers, they signed one OF (that they needed) and a part time OF/DH option. Sure it would have been nice to sign a great infielder instead, but Cano walked and all the rest of the options were good not great. I think Kelly Johnson is just as good a bet as any of the other 2b to be productive. And let’s be honest, at this point neither Jeter nor A-Rod (assuming he plays) NEED DH time, there bats just don’t demand it, Beltran has been better than both offensively the last three seasons. Neither is a great offensive player in the abstract anymore. They are only good in that they provide better offense than most at their respective positions. On days when Jeter or A-Rod can’t play the field they should just get full days off.

            • Joey says:

              If they don’t believe that Beltran can play the outfield consistently then it’s an even worse deal.

              What you say about Jeter and Arod (particularly Jeter) not really being good enough to DH anymore is the elephant in the room. There is little reason to think that Girardi will nut up and bench Jeter when he can’t play short though.

        • sure its great we finally solved our catcher problem and the ellsbury and beltran signings were terrific but any strategy that agrees to spending 283 million but then balks at spending 10 million a year to lock up the second base spot probably for at least the next two years with the best remaining 2b left on the market doesnt seem like much of a strategy does it?

      • Joey says:

        Exactly. 305 million to luxuriously crowd the outfield and overpay at catcher, but an extra 6 million in 2018 to bring in the only starting quality 2B on the market, with no infield to speak of, is a no go.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          They needed another big bat. None were available at middle IF positions after they passed on Cano, hence Beltran.
          Also needing IF help didn’t negate the need for offense. OF/DH was the only realistically available place to find that offense.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      We need a second baseman, but I’m not giving up Sanchez for Kendrick. Sorry.

      • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

        This a million times over. You don’t trade your best prospect for a third-tier player.

        This would be similar to if they’d actually traded Austin Jackson for Jarrod Washburn.

    • Y don’t we move Soriano back to 2B? He can’t be worse than any of the 2B free agents or trades..

  2. Bob Buttons says:

    Chris Getz or Corban is the only two names I can think of right now.

    Oh boy.

  3. Nathan says:

    Well darn. Who else is left?

    Ellis would have been a decent 2B. Not an all-star but wouldn’t embarrass himself out there. Yankees still have glaring needs at 2nd, 3rd and SP.

  4. Jimmy Page says:

    This tells me one thing. The Yankees are eventually getting Brandon Phillips. The Yankees are waiting for the Reds to sweeten their offer. Gardner for Phillips with a quality minor league player or a reliever.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      I’d MUCH rather them getting a 3B at this point. In fact I’ll take a warm body at third if they’re gonna give up Gardner for a guy who sees OBP as nothing.

      Wild card: Mustelier at 3B?

      • ^ says:

        Possible. I’d like to see the Yanks fast track Jagielo. Won’t solve 2014, but he’s a mature player having attend college and has ample playing time because of that. The right up is that he needs very little refinement. 1 solid season in the minors could be enough for him. Go the Harper, Machaco, Trout, even Arod route. Sometimes and in certain cases, it’s ok and warranted to bring younger players up quickly. The Yanks have been horrible at this babying players for years and I’m wondering if it stunts their development. They have these great talents that just marinate in the minors for years. I don’t get it. You watch teams like the Rays, Marlins, O’s whoever, bring players up young. Considering that applies to many people in society today i.e. I know many people who are under their parents wings until mid-late 20′s and while they could be nice people, they’re pretty much useless in every aspect of their professional lives.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          I’d like to see at least a full season of 500PAs or more at AA and/or AAA before they bring him up, while signing a placeholder for 2014 with an option for 2015.

          As for babying people, i think part of it stems from the WIN ALL culture around the Yankees. Those teams you’ve mentioned can afford bringing up some kids because they don’t have to win everything and sometimes they cannot afford to bring in expensive but more proven options like the Yankees can. I’d like to see the Yanks be less conservative in development, but they’re gonna be criticized on everything they do either way and with lack of ability to get a sniff at top talents via draft it’s somewhat understandable that they coddle the ones they do have.

        • LK says:

          No one is going to comment on lumping Jagielo in with Harper, Machado, Trout, and A-Rod? Really? Did people just think it was that obvious how ridiculous it was?

      • ^ says:

        Red Sox brought up Middlebrooks early and last season Bogearts was thrust in the WS. I like that type of stuff.

      • Wasn’t Musty brought in as a 2nd baseman? No surprise he was moved to 3rd, him playing 2nd or Short would be like putting Kendrys Morales there.

        However, I don’t know where the route Musty has at the moment. His OPS is in the toilet, he had an injury ridden AAA. I’m all for a ST invite.

  5. TheRealGreg says:

    Yankees aren’t going to overpay for a second baseman and St. Louis was probably the more attractive destination.

    Cashman not getting it done right now.

  6. Eduardo VeggieTales Nunez says:

    Corban Joseph as the starter?

  7. Rick says:

    Is the Brandon Phillips salary dump now inevitable?

    • ^ says:

      Just what we need: another player who is traded, unsatisfied with his contract and calls into question; the lack of respect from the Yankees. I’ll pass on Phillips. He is a logical fit and it could still happen, but I’m not clamoring to see this one get done.

  8. Jimmy Page says:

    There is no way Gardner is on the team next year. He is definitely getting traded he is causing a log jam at the DH position and the every day outfield will be Ellsbury, Soriano and Beltran with Ichiro being the 4th outfielder.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      Depth tend to dissipate in a blink or two sometimes.

      • ^ says:

        Ellsbury, Beltran, Ichiro, Soriano, Wells, Almonte…Depth already exists.

        Gardner is pretty much a goner in my opinion and I agree with it if they can bring back players like Ackley and/or Paxton…

        • Bob Buttons says:

          We lacked serviceable backup options last year and that’s definitely a factor in why we were painful to watch at times. Ichiro and Wells are one bad week away from being non-serviceable and Zoilo is a wild card at this point, since he didn’t do very well overall last year.

          Soriano and Beltran are old guys and it’s quite likely that we’d need a serviceable outfielder in case of injuries or just regular preventative day-offs. Really not sure any of those three can contribute much in a semi-regular role.

          • ^ says:

            I disagree with all of that. Ichiro maybe old and might not hit for much anymore, but he is still a very athletic outfielder with good arm and knows how to play, routes, etc..

            Soriano will see less than 50 games in the OF this season. Wells, also is free and I know the general narrative on this forum is that he’ll be released, but he’ll be on the team and again, he is an athletic, durable, experienced player. He might not hit for much, but he is free and I just wish people would stop posting on here like he will be released. He’s not.

            Zoilo is a wildcard, but he’s got a bat and I can’t see how the Yanks would do any worse having him as their 5th string catcher.

            Part of me just wonders though, if most fans on here want to see Ellsbury get hurt and after we trade Gardner just so they can say “told you so.”

            • Bob Buttons says:

              We just differ on our expectations of their contributions, not in how things work, so I’ll just end on the note that Ichiro and Wells were below replacement level for stretches last season outside of their hot streaks. This is not something I want from my backups.

              • ^ says:

                Fair enough and I don’t disagree that their contributions will not be on par with what most want or expect, but looking at it purely from a business standpoint, neither player is going anywhere for now and most likely for the entire season. Wells has a far greater chance of being cut before Ichiro. There is a minus …90% chance Ichiro is ”just released” the Japanese media and fan base would not be very happy and it’s not smart business in general considering he’s being paid $6.5 and even if they found a taker for him and $3.5mm I don’t see how that $3.5mm could be spent better at the moment.

        • Preston says:

          Wells is nothing. Almonte had a hot start, but faded and was injured. Ichiro is an okay fourth OFer but not one demanding significant playing time. Soriano and Beltran shouldn’t be counted on to start in the OF everyday, they need to swap through the DH spot, and Gardner is just flat out better than either of them.

        • RetroRob says:

          That’s not depth; half that group is a whole lot of suck.

        • Chris H says:

          Wells and Ichiro don’t deserve to be on a major league field at this point, Beltran has god awful knees, and Almonte has done nothing of note at the major league level. I’d hardly call that “depth”.

        • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

          The Mariners are not going to trade Paxton to the Yankees.

  9. ^ says:

    Seattle gets Austin Jackson and JR. Murphy/Romine (solves 4 pieces of their puzzle – back-up catcher, righty bat, lead off, athletic outfielder for 2 years)

    Detroit gets Bret Gardner
    Yankees get James Paxton and Dustin Ackley

    Elliot Johnson plays 3rd, sign Mark Reynolds to R/L split. The Yanks do all they can to sign Tanaka and there you have it, a pretty nice ending to their offseason and doing this, keeps them under the luxury tax. Reynolds at best is $3-4mm with some incentives. Tanaka $10m AAV. You let Paxton, Pineda, Phelps, Warren Nuno, fight out for that 5th spot.

    Yanks have about $20mm to play with at the moment (that is, considering Arods $25mm salary is wiped for the season).

    • mustang says:

      “Yanks have about $20mm to play with at the moment (that is, considering Arods $25mm salary is wiped for the season).”

      More like 13mm and they are probably not getting Tanaka $10m AAV more like 15m.

      • ^ says:

        I read somewhere yesterday that they’re bumping up against $165mm or there about at the moment (including Beltran contract and considering Arod will be wiped for the season), which makes sense considering everything else we are reading about who they can still sign. We don’t know precisely how the payroll accounting is done, but I read in the WSJ, I believe, that the Yanks have some tricky and definitely legal ways of balancing the books. We’re looking at things a certain way, but the number might actually be a little (not too much) lower than we think at the moment.

    • Jimmy Page says:

      Tanaka is going to get more than $19M per year and well over $100M on a 6-7 yr. contract. There are going to be several teams trying to land him. Hopefully the Yankees will get him and he becomes comparable to Yu Darvish and he becomes our #1 starter for many years to come.

      • ^ says:

        Highly doubt Tanaka gets $100mm or more. It was rumored the entire package could cost $100mm with posting fee, but Tanaka won’t get much more than $10mm-$14mm (max) per season for 5 years. You said it your self. Darvish is the comp, so we follow his salary parameters. I think you were miss informed by reading the $100mm number somewhere. I’d say $64mm for 5 years is top of the market.

        • BFDeal says:

          You can’t use Darvish as a true comp. He only had Texas negotiating with him. With the new $20M posting limit, Tanaka will possible have 10 clubs negotiating with him. That drives his price up. If he is posted, I bet his offers are closer to $100M than you realize.

          • BFDeal says:

            Expect; not realize.

          • ^ says:

            Darvish is totally a comp. Its like buying a house and you seek out the most like-kind property you can find to set your price. The fact that the Rangers won the posting bid is actually irrelevant. I get what you are saying about more participants, but again using the “buying a house” reference, there could be 5 people bidding on it and it could go to highest and best and still not go over the sellers asking price or perceive market price.

            • BFDeal says:

              Sure, it could happen, but sometimes the market gets crazy. Like I said below, it only takes that one bidder to get crazy. Of course, I could be wrong…I laughed at the idea of a 40-year old Colon getting a two year deal, yet look what happened.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              The Darvish and Tanaka situations are completely different.
              Darvish in the current system likely would have gotten a $100M+ contract.

            • Chris H says:

              The “buying a house” reference doesn’t work, it’d be more like buying a house in 2013 and comparing it to the houses on the market in 1980. The landscape changed so much in the time frame the values won’t be the same anymore.

        • Bavarian Yankee says:

          “… but Tanaka won’t get much more than $10mm-$14mm (max) per season for 5 years”

          now that the posting fee is 20 million max I think it’s not unlikely for him to get offers in the 6/100 range.

          • ^ says:

            You guys are out of control and I say that in the nicest way possible. People are way overvaluing players these days. The Yanks will not approach the $100mm range, the Red Sox are out. The Tigers are out. The Rangers, I think its safe to say will be out (I don’t see the sense in having two similar pitchers — based on stuff, in the rotation). The Giants are out. The Dodgers could be in, but seems unlikely. The D-Backs, Mariners, ????

            People are nuts if they think this will go to $100mm. $64mm is top of the market.

            • BFDeal says:

              It only takes one club.

              • ^ says:

                Better chance the Yanks sign Irvin Santana, Garza or even Jimenez at that point. They have the most leverage in that situation consider draft compensation is now irrelevant to them. I could see the Yanks taking Santana on a 2 year deal for $32mm.

                  • ^ says:

                    I hear ya, man. I’m not jumping for joy either, but mark my words, the Yanks will sooner give Santana or Jimenez a 2-3 year before they drop $100mm + $20m posting fee on Tanaka. Just not happening.

                    • Bavarian Yankee says:

                      I guess I’ll bookmark this thread, I’ll need the evidence later ;)

                    • ^ says:

                      Ha. Like the Phillips thought up above, I kinda have a feeling the Yanks already have a jersey for Jimenez set up in the locker room. Not a fan, but my gut tells me he’s next on the roster and then sure, all hell will break loose on this forum. Yikes.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                      Oh, I think the team’s going to wind up backing up a truckfull of money on Tanaka. Perhaps not 100M, but he’ll come close.

                      We bought different tea leaves, I guess.

            • Bavarian Yankee says:

              hmmm, change the numbers a bit and it looks like this:
              People are nuts if they think this will go to $240mm. $175mm is top of the market :D

            • Chris H says:

              Darvish and Tanaka don’t have similar stuff at all, one is a control pitcher who averaged just under 91 MPH last year and Darvish is a fireballing strikeout guy. Tanaka has one pitch I’ve seen scouts agree on being plus, his split, everything else is average. Darvish has at least 3 plus pitches, maybe more, and he can average 93 with his 4 seamer. Tanaka may come over and be a good pitcher but he isn’t coming close to leading the league in Ks like Darvish, Tanaka is not an ace stateside in my opinion.

            • Medical Quackery says:

              D-Backs, Dodgers, Cubs, Philly, Miami, O’s, Toronto, Angels, Mariners, Stros…there are plenty of teams with plenty of $$$

        • mustang says:

          10mm-15mm sounds about right 19mm seems extreme.

          • Chris H says:

            I doubt the overall costs change much it’s just redistributed is all. Darvish’s posting fee was 51.7M and his contract 60M so that’s over 100M in total rigt there, it’s not out of line to think Tanaka is 20M for the posting fee with a contract in the 80-90M mark at all. The overall dollars remain similair Tanaka just gets a bigger split of the money and the club gets taxed more.

            • Rob says:

              I agree with this. I think he’ll get $80-$100m and the total $ posting fee included won’t differ much from prior. And with multiple teams bidding on him and considering his age, not to mention the increased $ in the market this year, prob 6-7 years $13-$16m AAV. I’ll guess 6 years @ $15m ($90 total) + $20m posting fee.

    • RetroRob says:

      Ackley has a name because he was a high draft pick, but he also now has an established reputation. He’s reclamation project, basically in the Gordon Beckham school of “well, we thought he was going to be good.”

      Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him, but giving up a 4-6 win player in Gardner, and tossing in a solid starting catching prospect for a failed prospect in Ackley and a rookie pitcher who had an ERA of 4.5 in AAA is not exactly going to help the Yankees. Projects to a net loss of three wins in 2014, which could be the difference between the postseason and another year like 2013.

      • Chris H says:

        The Yankees would do that deal in a heart beat to get that “rookie pitcher with a 4.5 ERA in AAA”. Paxton is a 6’4 lefty who throws gas and gets ground balls, that’s basically how you build a pitcher from the ground up for Yankee Stadium. He’s one of the best prospects in baseball and he’s under team control through 2019, that would be a no brainer on our end.

        • RetroRob says:

          His prospect status is not quite what it was, but bottom line is that deal would weaken the Yankees in 2014, and that’s not how the Yankees operate.

    • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

      Why would the Tigers do that?

      Also, the Mariners are not going to trade Paxton to the Yankees.

  10. Sam says:

    Everybody keeps forgetting they need to fill their bullpen. so they actually still have a lot of work to do. they need to sign someone to either set up for Robertson or close + starter + 2B/3B. That said. What is the thinking behind not going after Ellis for one season? if the yanks weren’t wiling to match a 1-year deal for Ellis, do they think there’s something better to be had out there?

    • Rob says:

      One thing we have to realize is..he signed with the cardinals, prob the best positioned organization in the sport for 2014 and going forward. Ellis hasn’t won a championship, they provide the opportunity. Where’s his family live, is ny far away? What was his interest in the yankees? May have have to significantly overpay just for him to be interested. I am disappointed he’s off the market, I was interested. But who knows the details, I bet us ‘matching’ stl offer wasn’t going to be good enough though.

  11. Matt DiBari says:

    Virtually anyone but Darwin Barney please. The very real possibility of Ryan and Barney playing every day makes my heart hurt

  12. Bavarian Yankee says:

    unless there’s a reasonable trade to be made, just play Johnson at 2nd and sign Reynolds to play at 3rd and try to trade for upgrades at the deadline in July. I guess Kendrick is off the block now that the Angels have filled their rotation and I sure don’t wanna see Phillips if the Reds don’t eat the majority of that contract.

    They’ll be able to pick somebody up during or at the end of ST anyway, so we probably won’t know who’ll start at 2nd and 3rd right until the season starts.

    • Chris H says:

      What valuable skill set are you signing Reynolds for? Because this year he hit .225/.319/.406 against LHP, which is actually worse than Eduardo Nunez career numbers against LHP (.272/.313/.414). Maybe he just had an off year except in 2012 he was even worse against LHP .227/.352/.370 so you’d be paying for a guy who only adds value vs LHP yet slugs .370-.406 against them? It can’t be his defense since he’s worth -12.0 career UZR/150 at 3B and he’s -60 career runs saved. Mark Reynolds has name value because at one time he was a good player however that time has long passed, he isn’t worth taking up a spot on the bench at this point in his career.

      • Bavarian Yankee says:

        so who you’re putting in the lineup at 2nd or 3rd (wherever Johnson doesn’t play)? Nunez? Ryan? Michael Young?

        • Chris H says:

          That’s the point it doesn’t take much to be more valuable than Reynolds at this point. I would hope to god you aren’t planning on starting Reynolds at 3B, he’s bad against LHP but he was even worse against RHP (.218/.298/.386) in 2013. At least he slugged in 2012 .219/.328/.450 but I’d much rather have someone who makes more contact/gets on base more and slugs less. You combine what his bat has become with his defense and he’s a worthless player, I don’t love WAR but he’s a 0.2 fWAR and -0.1 bWAR player over the last 3 years combined. He’s become as “replacement level” as he could possibly be and somehow still hold down 135+ games a year.

  13. Joey says:

    Just baffling decisions. Spend 305 million on 3 players but then can’t afford a starting 2nd baseman bc they are afraid to add 6 million in salary in 2018. crazy

  14. Jarak says:

    Reynolds, Brian Roberts or the kid Cano displaced in Seatlle (think Randolph in 76), Andrew Baily at a coming off injury discount, a lefty and Tanaka or dare I say if he is not posted – Garza

  15. Time for Cash to get creative, and he always does. Most of his trades come out of nowhere, so I kind of expect that to happen now.

    Michael Young and Mark Reynolds make a whole lot of sense at this point. A 3-way platoon with Reynolds/Young/Johnson for 2nd/3rd could work.

    • Joey says:

      Can you name a good trade he has made in the last 10 years aside from the Swisher trade?

      • Joey says:

        Cashman fans like to pretend the Granderson/Kennedy/Jackson trade was even – it was not. It’s an outright loss. Jackson has been a 5 win player since the season he left. There was no waiting time for top quality production from him, and he’s under team control until 2016. Outright loss by a mile.

        • JGYank says:

          I’m not happy about losing Jackson either, but it’s not like we got nothing in return. Grandy hit 40 homers in back to back years while having an awesome 2011. Now we wish we had Jackson but the trade could have been much worse.

          According to bWAR, Granderson put up at least 3 WAR every year except for 2013 when he was injured. At the time of the trade, Grandy was better player with a 7 WAR season under his belt (2007) and was headed to a park that would help him and Jackson was a prospect that could of not panned out. Nothing wrong with taking proven talent over prospects.

        • MartinRanger says:

          That trade was never about long-term success. Ever.

          They got a huge lefty power bat who managed to overcome his platoon splits and stay healthy for most of his time here.

          When you trade prospects, you make a gamble they won’t turn out. There was very little to suggest that Jackson was going to be nearly that good in his first year, and indeed his success was fueled by an insane BABIP.

          They needed Granderson. They got him for a guy who looked an awful lot like a K-prone 4th outfielder and a pitcher who would probably have never lasted in the AL East.

          I would make that trade again. I’m not kidding.

      • John says:

        The A-Rod was pretty great before they extended him.

        • Joey says:

          The Arod trade will be 10 years old in Februrary

          • Joey says:

            And a monkey could have made that trade.. it was a salary dump by the Texas Rangers

            • Dalek Jeter says:

              That’s why weeks earlier a trade sending him to the Red Sox was veto’d by the league.

              • Joey says:

                what does that have to do with it? The players union vetoed that deal because of funny business with arod’s contract… he was going to surrender money for adding an out clause to his contract

                • Dalek Jeter says:

                  “A monkey could have made that trade.” I was just pointing out that another real life GM failed at making the trade literally weeks earlier.

                  • Joey says:

                    I meant a monkey could make that deal if they had 200 million to just drop on a player without trying to be crafty in any way. That’s what got the Red Sox/Rangers in trouble, being crafty, rather than just… guhh….. here’s ‘my good player… here’s my better player making a boatload of money. you take my guy and some money and pay the rest of his mega insane contract because you’re the Yankees.’ Brilliance!

          • BFDeal says:

            So it fits in your 10-year window.

      • BFDeal says:

        The Bobby Abreu and Alex Rodriguez trades.

        • Joey says:

          Bobby Abreu never had a 3 WAR season with the Yankees, but I’ll give you that. Cashman’s legacy – the great Bobby Abreu trade.

      • qwerty says:

        Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall.

      • The Boone Logan trade* as well as some of the ones mentioned below.

        *Yes, I know Vasquez was a disaster, but Logan was an excellent reliever during his years in the Bronx, and will for sure be missed n the pen next season.

        • JGYank says:

          I thought that was a great deal when it happened. I didn’t know of Vasquez’s first stint with the Yanks at the time but still he was coming off a great year plus they got Logan as well. Funny how Logan became the main piece of that.

          • Joey says:

            talking about a LOOGY in the conversation for his best trade ever. awesome. you are making my point for me

            • JGYank says:

              How was anyone supposed to know Vasquez would suck the way he did? Looked great on paper.

              And what other GM has made great trade after great trade?

              • BFDeal says:

                In Joey’s mind, the other 29.

                • JGYank says:

                  What trades do fans expect the Yanks to make? Our farm system never had any can’t miss prospects at the upper levels in the minors like Walker with the Mariners (except maybe Montero, who hasn’t worked out) and our team has always been full of nearly impossible to trade contracts. I’m always surprised when the Yanks make a major swap. They don’t have the prospects that other teams have so sellers deal to the teams that do have them. I don’t understand why so many fans expect a steal in a trade or say Cashman sucks because he didn’t trade for so and so as if he could control other GMs. Every GM makes a bad trade now and then and they can’t be expected to just steal guys away from other teams. Dombrowski gave up Fister without getting much of a haul in return and I hear him referred to as a good GM all the time. Cash has made his share of mistakes and has a lot of $ to work with, but he’s not a terrible GM IMO.

              • Chris H says:

                A lot of people called Vasquez being awful, that was not a popular trade at the time it was done.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        A-Rod, Abreu, Granderson, and why not the Swisher trade? Because even the most hate filled Cashman hater has to admit that it was an absolute steal?

      • Bob Buttons says:

        Kerry Wood, Eric Hinske, Jerry Hairston Jr., gave up microscopic pieces for somewhat useful role players.

      • vin says:

        He got someone to take Chris Stewart. Enough said. Of course he was the one who traded for him in the first place…

      • MartinRanger says:

        Also, the Randy Johnson trade was not actually a bad deal at all. Navarro has drifted around as a bad backup. Did he meet expectations? No. But he wasn’t bad by any stretch of the imagination.

      • MartinRanger says:

        Shawn Chacon gave the rotation a vital boost and he was had for peanuts. Yes, he was godawful his second year. But that was a huge pickup at the time.

  16. mustang says:

    Another one down looks like trade or status quo

  17. Farm system please says:

    Trade ichiro for Scutaro sign Reynolds and use Johnson Reynolds Scutaro as a rotation between second and third

  18. mustang says:

    They have 13mm left on plan 189 with A-Rod’s help they probably use the catching surplus to trade for 2nd. They dump Ichiro Suzuki by eating half his salary leaving them with about 16mm for a starter. Third will probably be a platoon situation.

  19. JGYank says:

    Our infield and pitching is really shaky right now. Who is left on the market to play second? It seems like we’re stuck with Kelly Johnson starting there and I’d really prefer having him on the bench. Or they might actually be considering Barney which scares me. Makes you wish Cano had stayed or that we even signed Infante.

    Hope we really upgrade our pitching because the bottom of our lineup will probably have a hole or two. I don’t think the Yanks will pursue Phillips because of his contract, decline, and attitude. Really makes me wonder what the Yanks are planning to do with the remaining holes. Probably punt on 2b now.

    On a side note, the Cardinals seem to have a flawless team. What’s their weakness?

  20. dkidd says:

    annoyed by this. i would’ve taken both ellis and uribe

    they seem fine giving smelly johnson 500 AB

    still expecting an out-of-nowhere trade…

  21. They should just say look we’re in a holding pattern till we find out what happens with a rod; honestly so far it hasnt been a bad strategy because the timing has just happened to coincide with the dragging out of the tanaka sweepstakes so there just might still be a decent pitcher left in mid-january. but theyve completely screwed up the whole infield situation now unless their goal is to have a 7 & 8 in their batting order that hits 215.

  22. vicki says:

    typical solid cardinals move. not sure why the dodgers didn’t pick up his option for depth/trade bait.

  23. Dan in Athens says:

    Dean Anna is your second baseman. Good glove high OBP guy. They just need a platoon partner for Johnson, likely Reynolds.

    • SDB says:

      Or we cross fingers and hope that A-Rod’s suspension ends up being only something like 65 or 75 games, and gives him a chance to play in the second half of the season. It may cost the team more money, but they’re a better team when his swing is in the lineup.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Idk…Dean Anna has 0 big league experience…as a Utility guy, I have no problem with him being on the roster. As a starter? Not a huge fan.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      The attorney apparently wants to lose ballgames.

  24. Dan in Athens says:

    Yeah I hate guys who have never put up less than a .366 OBP in any full season and have a great glove at second and short plus the ability to play third and outfield. Lets get some veteran presence for millions for less production because someone recognizes a name

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Reasons why I would like a player with success in the majors over an unproven guy: Austin Romine, Zolio Almonte, Corben Joseph, David Adams, and Melky 2.0 off the top of my head.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      *Looks at the Baseball Almanac. Can’t find when and where Dean Anna ever did any of that at the major league level.*

      If you’re going to spend on Brian McCann, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Carlos Beltran, and you’re going to give me Kelly Johnson or Dean Anna at second base, perhaps you didn’t your money in the right places.

      How does that read through the troll filter? Pollyanna fucking enough?

      • vicki says:

        gut says a lot of people are underestimating kelly johnson.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          Possibly. I just would REALLY rather have him as Option B than Option A. Thrilled with him as Option B, though.

        • Preston says:

          The problem is he can only play 2b, or 3b, he can’t play both. Although every FA contract that gets handed out so far makes that signing look like an absolute steal.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          Kelly Johnson is good enough, if he’s hitting 8th. Season starts tomorrow?

          Ellsbury
          Jeter
          Beltran
          Tex
          Soriano
          McCann
          Johnson
          Ryan
          Garnder

          I think we can do better than that, that we need to do better, and that we should do better.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

            We’ve got to do better than that. The job has to be completed.

          • Preston says:

            Just needs one thing to happen for it to be okay…

            Ellsbury
            Jeter
            Beltran
            Rodriguez
            Tex
            Soriano
            McCann
            Johnson
            Gardner

            All better.

            • vicki says:

              i’d watch that.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

              Doesn’t make me feel any better, to be honest. I have zero faith in Alex’s ability to stay healthy for half the season, at this point.

            • Dalek Jeter says:

              If Alex is healthy, I don’t think he’s a clean up hitter any more. Say he doesn’t get suspended, move him down to the 6/7 spot and yeah, I’d watch that line up.

              • Preston says:

                If Girardi isn’t going to nut up and move Jeter out of the two hole, then he certainly isn’t going to move A-Rod out of the 4 (and honestly I’m not sure Soriano or Tex are better hitters). Line-up construction matters a lot less than the players in the line-up and like you said, I’d happily watch that line-up.

                • Bavarian Yankee says:

                  Girardi WOULD do that if you ask me. He benched A-Rod in the postseason, so anything can happen.

                  • Chris H says:

                    With Jeter I think all bets are off, somehow he’s crafted himself an untouchable image and everyone else goes alone with it. No one has yet to explain in a logical way why he got a raise this year for no reason.

                • Chris H says:

                  McCann should be in the 4 hole against RHP, he gets on base and hits for power and that should only increase in Yankee Stadium. I doubt any player on the team (maybe Beltran) has a better year against RHP than McCann does this year.

            • Chris H says:

              Putting a .350 career OBP in the 9 hole makes absolutely no sense. There’s also 0 good reasons to put Soriano or Teixeira above McCann against RHP. Against RHP this year McCann hit .266/.357/.512, in comparison Teixeira hit .239/.331/.438 against RHP in 2012 and .223/.323/.450. in 2011. Against RHP the top of the lineup needs to be Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran, McCann, and Teixeira against LHP you go with Ellsbury, Jeter, Soriano, and Teixeira. Those takes full advantage of the guys splits and give you the best chance to put runners more often.

        • Chris H says:

          Well his best season with the bat in the last 3 years was .235/.305/.410 in only 118 games this season. There’s a reason people weren’t lining up to give him a starting job somewhere. He’s a good contributor off the bench but as a full time starter you have to worry.

  25. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    I’m at the point that I honestly don’t know what the fuck they’re doing right now. Decent 2B options were easily available, and now there’s pretty much nothing except salary dumps, bad players, and the prayer of overpaying via trade……then we get to third base.

    Not that I’m enthused at all about Ellis but, with Infante off the board, there aren’t a lot of options out there.

    Maybe the plan really is to play eight outfielders at the same time next year, only playing a few of them REALLY shallow.

    • Monkey says:

      There weren’t many options to begin with, beyond a trade. One FA option was Kelly Johnson, who they got for nearly the same amount of money as Brendan Ryan, on a one-year deal.

      Let’s wait to see how the rest of the off-season pans out. Free agency isn’t the only way this team can add players. There may be trade discussions out there that we aren’t aware of. Lets chill out a bit people.

      And Jorge – while we’re all aware of your penchant for love-making with beautiful women and haughtiness on message boards, it is quite possible that the team is up to something that you aren’t aware of just yet. Let’s be patient.

      • I'm a looser and a trader baby so why don't you kill me? says:

        Chavez for 3B?

        • Chris H says:

          I like Chavez a lot but you’d have to have a right handed bat playing 2B/3B from somewhere with Johnson and Chavez starting. Especially since Chavez can only hold up physically for 80-100 games a year at this point.

    • I'm a looser and a trader baby so why don't you kill me? says:

      Man I feel bad. Like I ruined your sunny disposition! (Yes I know I had nothing to do with it).

    • vin says:

      No doubles defense… I like it.

  26. Dan in Athens says:

    Dean Anna was the PCL batting champ last year. Sorry you don’t follow minor league ball he doesn’t get pub because he is small and no one expected him to do anything. He just keeps being a plus offensive and defensive player

    • vicki says:

      i’d love to think we stole a little something here, but come on. he was traded for ben paullus.

    • Preston says:

      If you followed how minor leaguers translated to the major leagues you’d know that age vs. level is one of the most important things to show how a players MiLB stats translate to the majors. Dean Anna is an older prospect. He’s been older than the competition at every level and hasn’t moved particularly fast. I’m taking his numbers with a grain of salt. I think he was a great pickup, I’m glad they have him. But I wouldn’t pencil him into the lineup quite yet.

    • MartinRanger says:

      Right now the Yankees desperately need Anna to take another step forward and make himself an option as a regular going forward. If he could turn into a Mark Ellis caliber player with a high OBP, that’s a very valuable piece for several years.

    • Monkey says:

      Who is Dean Anna? I googled the name, and couldn’t find anything.

    • forensic says:

      He’s also been old for every level and hitting in the PCL, and some of his other leagues, it’s the most difficult thing to do.

      • Dan in Athens says:

        Infante 101 and 103 wrcplus
        Ellis 85 And 80
        Anna 96 and 89

        Per steamer and Oliver’s projections. Unlike the other two Anna is a lefty who can legitimately play short and is the best defender. He also should slightly improve for another two to three years and free up millions for pitching.

        • Dan in Athens says:

          Anna’s mle major league equivalent for last year is .292/.357/.411. Steamer and Oliver expect regression from that mle so they are conservative.

  27. JJT says:

    Brian Roberts

  28. Curt and Bernie says:

    What would have to be included by either team for a deal centered around Gardner and Kungfu panda–or is there something that I’m overlooking that makes this a deal that will not, under any circumstances, happen? I know SF needs a lf. The yanks could shift Johnson to second where he will not be atrocious.

  29. Dan in Athens says:

    He is listed at 5 11 180, which is generous and is not fast. You tell me what scouts are going to push him. The numbers don’t lie.

  30. scooter10 says:

    Really not sure what people don’t like about Brandon Phllips. He’s coming off an “off” year when he batted .261 with 18 HR and 103 RBI’s. He still won is 4th gold glove.

    Typical season for Phllips is .270, 20 HR and 85 RBI. He is a MUCH better player than Infante, would not break the bank ($11m this year) and would give the team some right-handed pop in the lineup.

    • forensic says:

      I’m really not sure what people do like about Brandon Phillips. He’s a piece of shit who’s on a massive trend downward and is owed $50 million over the next four years. Not to mention that he wanted more money to be traded.

    • MartinRanger says:

      His contract is Vernon Wells-bad and he’s in decline and wants more money to waive his no-trade. What’s to like, exactly?

      • Preston says:

        Except the fact that he’s owed less money per season (12.5 AAV vs. 18 AAV) and is still an above average player at a premium position.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          Average. As much as people want to believe that Brandon Phillips is above average, he’s almost exactly average offensively, on the wrong side of 30, trending downwards, and it was mentioned that he wants an extension/more money for coming to NY. No thank you across the board.

          • Preston says:

            Being average offensively, or even below average for that matter, while playing good defense at 2b makes you an above average player. 2 WAR is considered league average, Phillips posted 2.6 WAR last season. He’s probably overpaid. The Reds probably over-value him and he definitely over-values himself. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a better player than Omar Infante (he is) and he’s certainly much better than 37 yo Mark Ellis who everybody on this board is crying about losing out on.

            • Dalek Jeter says:

              I’m not going to argue against the idea that Phillips may be better than Infante or Ellis (the idea is debatable) I’m just going to point out everything points to if Phillips is traded to the Yankees he’s going to cost at least Gardner plus probably a prospect, plus like a 3/45 extension on his current contract. No thanks.

              • Chris H says:

                Yeah this is really the point, no one is “crying about losing out on” ELlis if we had to give up Gardner and pay him 50 million over the next 4 years. Phillips on a one or two year free agent deal would get complaints from no one, trading as valuable a player and taking on that entire contract+ is a deal breaker.

              • Preston says:

                So they asked for Gardner, we said no and now you think the price is going to be higher? I don’t see the logic in that at all. The Yankees should be in on Phillips if the price is right. And that means the Reds eating salary and not giving up anything of real value in terms of players going back.

                • Preston says:

                  and lol on the extension, he’s under contract. He’s not getting anything except a new uniform for waiving his NTC. And if he’s not okay with that he’ll stay in Cincy.

                • Chris H says:

                  Which is why the deal isn’t going to happen. The Reds have no incentive to pay the contract, get rid of the player, and get nothing of value in return.

                  • Preston says:

                    The Reds are on an actual budget freeing most of that money and getting anything of value in return has value.

                    • Chris H says:

                      The Reds were 12th in baseball with a payroll of 109.4M this past season, they’ve added no real money to that payroll and have subsequently lost Choo (7.3M) and Arroyo (16.4M) which is over 23.7M off the books. They are from the Rays pinching pennies to get by, they don’t have to dump Phillips if they feel they have a better team with him on the roster. I completely understand why they would trade him for Gardner but they aren’t paying a large chunk of that deal and getting nothing back in return.

  31. RetroRob says:

    It’s 37-year-old Mark Ellis.

  32. forensic says:

    Wow, never thought I’d be so disappointed about missing out on Mark fuckin’ Ellis. Especially considering it’s just a one-year deal.

    • MartinRanger says:

      To be fair, remember how people were flipping out about not signing Jeff Keppinger last year? How’s that three-year contract looking for the White Sox?

      • RetroRob says:

        Ruh, Roh. Hopefully the Yankees don’t do anything crazy and trade for Jeff Keppinger!

        I totally get your point and agree. While I was fine with Ellis coming on board for a year, I don’t really care he’s signed elsewhere. I’m more surprised that if it came down to the Yankees or the Cardinals that he went with the Cardinals. He doesn’t have a guaranteed job with them, where he would with the Yankees. Maybe they just overpaid. Maybe the Yankees have something else in mind that they just have, shockingly, not shared with us fans.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

        Absolutely. I reserve the right to completely overreact here and blame it all on Pat D later.

        I’ll raise you a Scott Hairston as well.

        • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

          Where’s that guy been? I haven’t seen nor heard from him in a while.

          Seems like Macho Madness has claimed yet another victim!

  33. Hornets686 says:

    Ichiro, Nunez and Adams for Phillips…

    I think Gardner is on this team no matter what…

  34. MartinRanger says:

    I am starting to get worried that as the Yankees monitor the trade market and try to fill holes, they are letting good stop-gap options get away.

    They don’t need to replace Cano – they can’t. But they desperately need a starting caliber 2B or 3B. Johnson can hold down one position, but they are in trouble if they can’t have a Johnson caliber player manning the other position. And that’s not Mark Reynolds, not on his own at least.

  35. Mike says:

    You really have to question his motivations when he turns down a chance to go deep in the playoffs to go with the Cardinals. Beltran knows which team is going deep next year.

  36. PunkPitch says:

    Sign Brian Roberts and assign a full time wetnurse to him, OR convert Eduardi Nunez to second base, and change his name to Joe Gordon.

  37. vin says:

    Part if me wants to see Nick Johnson come out of retirement, so the Yanks can finally build that all glass infield of Nick, Brian Roberts, and Eric Chavez.

  38. Fin says:

    I’m not saying this is the case but…Its very possible the Yankees are still planning to stay under $189 and that there were so many holes in the Yankees lineup that this is a 2yr project to rebuild the team. Don’t forget the Yankees are still the same team that just last year signed Ichiro for 2 years, went into the season with Stewvelli at catcher and traded for Wells. Just because they were able to sign 3 big FA, doesn’t all of a sudden given me a world of confidence in the FO.

    • Chris H says:

      I’ve heard this before from a couple reporters, if this is true and the Yankees see this as a 2-3 year rebuild that makes the Beltran signing so dumb. So you gave a 37 year old with bad knees a 4 year deal and don’t even expect to be championship caliber until year 3 of the deal?

  39. Tom says:

    But as we stand now, we have a shot to get to 189. I think it’s a fair shot. It all depends on what type of players become available to us, and what choices we have to make
    - Randy Levine (ESPNNY)

    It is a bit concerning that they are still talking about it as if it’s a possibility 9and a “fair” shot). It would mean going ultra cheap in the pen and 2nd/3rd and probably more of a scrap heap type starter.

    • vicki says:

      at the very least it’s a negotiating pose.

    • Fin says:

      It wouldn’t surprise me at all, if the rest of the offseason is going with what they have and scrap heap signings. The big money FA’s are gone, outside of pitching. From the Yankees track record this offseason, they have shown no interest in giving long term deals to questionable talent, which if that holds true would eliminate Jimenez and Garza. Tanka is a wild card, but I have to say, I would be surprised if they end up with him. I don’t think they will outspend the Dodgers or some small market team that goes all in and blows everyone away. That’s if Tanka is posted, which is not guaranteed yet, I don’t think.

      • Chris H says:

        Then giving 4 years to Beltran makes no sense, they should’ve either gone 7 years on Choo on spread that money around to players how wouldn’t be 38 or 39 when they were finally ready to win.

  40. Another year of platooning this time at second or third instead of the outfield. i heard mark belanger can be had at one year/250,000. Course this might be too much for hal’s plan 189 but what the hell if he’ll move to second maybe they’ll be able to fit him in at 6 months/125,000. Then they’ll have room to pick up a really young dynamic pitcher like johan santana.

    • BFDeal says:

      Already tired of the brian johnson screen name?

    • Chris H says:

      Platooning actually makes a ton of sense if you read the statistics right and pair the right players together. That’s probably the next wave in MLB, instead of paying large sums to one main player you pay smaller sums to two guys who together can replicate similar production.

  41. billy15 says:

    I’m in full campaign mode to move Jeter over to 2nd base and having ryan start at SS which will make the infield defense better. Jeter will be an above avg offensive player at 2nd and may actually play decent enough defense. The key is he will not man SS which needs a strong defensive player.

    I really like this idea and hope it gains some momentum.

    I doubt it will for 2 reasons.
    1) Jeter thinks he can still play decent SS but we all know he has lost a few steps which hurts our pitching staff.
    2) Jeter is the captain and will Girardi force a position move?

    • Medical Quackery says:

      There’s no reason to think he’d be any better at 2b or that it is that much less important than SS. Where ever Jeter plays this season (besides DH) he’ll be a defensive liability

    • Fin says:

      Yea, I don’t see Girardi forcing Jeter to move. I doubt that’s its his call anyway, that would seem to be an organizational decision. The only way Jeter moves, is if he decides to. There doesn’t seem to be any indication that is going to happen. The last player I can think of in Jeter’s category was Ripken, and he choose to move to 3b, the O’s didn’t force him to.

      • Chris H says:

        If Jeter plays more than 50% of his games at SS this year and plays 80+ games he’ll be only the 6th player ever to do that. 40 year old SS just don’t happen and when they do they aren’t good unless their last names are Wagner or Appling.

        • Fin says:

          NO doubt. I don’t think Jeter at short is going to be pretty this year at all. However, I don’t think the Yankees are going to force him to move. I think he will play ~120 games this year, at SS/DH. He maybe hurting himself as much as the Yankees by not offering to move. He hasn’t learned another position and there is a good chance he will have zero value to the Yankees going forward as a SS, meaning this could very well be his last year in NY. Whether he retires or not, who knows, maybe he goes to another team. I’m not so sure he would be on this team this year if the Yankees didn’t give him that stupid contract 4yrs ago with the option.

  42. Ca Dave says:

    Yanks moves make no sense to me. Their only player building blocks were Cano, Nunez, Gardner, and Sanchez. The signings eliminated that group and means that going forward is going to be hard and expensive. More than that the product on the field is not going to be interesting. Pitching staff seems very up in the air.

    What is going on?

    • BFDeal says:

      How have Gardner and Sanchez been eliminated?

      Nunez a building block?

      The product on the field is already more interesting than last year.

  43. vin says:

    Dave Cameron wrote a post about the Pirates after they were eliminated by the Cards. In it he wrote that one thing the team did well was not give too many PAs to “total nothings.”

    Last year, mostly due to injuries, the Yankees gave WAY too much playing time to “total nothings.” At various times of the year, the team showed a startling lack of talent. The injuries were devastating, sure, but there weren’t many viable options backing them up. Adding a guy like Infante or Ellis is a good way adding capable players for nothing more than the only resource the Yankees have lots of – money.

    Stocking your team via Free Agency is not the most efficient way to build a roster, but they don’t really have a choice. They have a lack of impact talent in the upper levels of the minors which makes callups and trades difficult.

    Adding Ellis and Reynolds would give the team these position players:
    C – McCann / Cervelli
    1B – Tex / Reynolds
    2B – Ellis / Johnson / Nunez
    SS – Jeter / Ryan / Nunez
    3B – Reynolds / Johnson / Nunez
    OF – Gardner, Soriano, Ellsbury, Beltran, Johnson
    DH – Soriano / Beltran / Jeter / McCann

    That’s a capable corps of position players. I’m obviously assuming Alex is out for the year. Without a 2B like Ellis or Infante, we’ll either see more of Nunez or Johnson. Or a salary/attitude dump like Phillips.

    All things considered, I really think they’re going to give Nunez regular playing time at 2B and/or 3B this season. Hopefully they can add at least one more player who’s not a “total nothing” for 3B – seems like the 2B options have dwindled.

  44. Chris H says:

    I’d like to believe the reason they didn’t sign Ellis and didn’t seem too into Infante is because they have Stephen Drew as plan A. I mean at this point the draft pick means nothing to us and Drew could easily man 3B this year when Jeter is on the field until SS comes open next year full time. I mean you’ll have to over pay and he’s basically a platoon player with the bat but he’s a better sign than Infante on a 4 year deal.

    • Fin says:

      I would think that’s a pretty risky plan. He took less money to play with the Sox last year. Why would he come to NY this year to be Jeter’s caddie or switch positions?

      • Chris H says:

        I would think the most obvious of obvious answers… Money. His market is somewhat artificially held down by the pick attached to him, but we’ve already given ours away so that’s irrelevant to us at this point. A strong 3 or 4 year deal could easily get it done, I doubt he wants to go back to Boston on a 1 year deal and have it happen again.

  45. Dalek Jeter says:

    “We think [Gardner's] going to be on the roster.”

    This just stinks of “we have no intention of trading Jesus Montero” or “Bubba Crosby will be our center fielder.” Oh GGBG, we hardly knew ye.

  46. There's the Door says:

    Again, they are done signing notable free agents. They will be under 189.

  47. Uh Dinnings says:

    The Yankees should sign Stephen Drew to be the new shortstop and move Jeter to thirdbase.

    If Dean Anna hits lefties well enough he could platoon with Johnson at 2B as well as back up Teixiera and Jeter and be the third string shortstop (since he can play all the bases and shortstop.)

    Or the Yanks could re-sign Reynolds to platoon with Johnson at 3B and move Jeter to 2B. Reynolds is only a .238 hitter vs. LHP but he has a .359 OBP and 55 HR in just 1087 PA vs. them so he gets on base and hits homeruns against them.

    • Chris H says:

      I could care less about HRs Reynolds has slugged .406 and .370 against LHP the last two years. That’s not an acceptable platoon player with his terrible defense and the fact that he’s been under .330 OBP vs LHP two of the last three years (.319 OBP vs LHP this year and .327 in 2011).

  48. Mickey Scheister says:

    Enter Brian Roberts.

  49. Fin says:

    I guess the bottom line to this off season is that when you have to fill almost every single roster spot with a FA its very expensive and difficult to do. There will be suspect players on this team for at least the next few years it would seem. The FA’s wont be available for their needs or they wont be able to outbid everyone for the ones they want. Not having developed an every day player since Gardner has put the Yankees in this position. One decent starting pitcher in Nova, hasn’t helped much either. The farm system is costing the Stiens a fortune.

    • mustang says:

      The New York Yankees are worth $3.3 billion payroll even with a tax hit will be under 250mm somehow I think the Steins will be just fine.

  50. Y not bring back the Jeter/Soriano combo back!!

    We all know he’s better than the guy from the cubs, Roberts and Kendrick’s.

  51. SouthPaw429 says:

    Just let Nunez play 2B exclusively.. He came on at the end of last year. You have Ryan be Jeter’s backup and let Johnson play 3B. I would rather them spend what little money left if they are going for 189 on pitching.
    Would be an interesting site to see Ellsbury, Gardner, and Nunez cause havoc on the basepaths.

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