Martino: Yankees have not had contact with Fernando Rodney

Wednesday Night Open Thread
A super early look at potential midseason trade targets

Via Andy Martino: The Yankees have not had any recent contact with right-hander Fernando Rodney, though the two sides did touch base and have a preliminary chat back in November. The team claims it does not have the payroll flexibility to add bullpen help through free agency after signing Masahiro Tanaka, which seems like posturing more than anything.

Rodney, 36, is probably the best free agent reliever still available. He had a 3.38 ERA (2.84 FIP) with a ton of strikeouts (11.07 K/9 and 28.3 K%) and ground balls (50.6%) in 66.2 innings last year, though his walk rate (4.86 BB/9 and 12.4 BB%) returned to its pre-2012 levels. The Yankees have a lot of interesting young guys and minor league pickups who will get a chance to make the team in camp, but I’d really like to see one more established late-inning reliever brought in. A thin bullpen could undermine the lineup and rotation improvements.

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Wednesday Night Open Thread
A super early look at potential midseason trade targets
  • Chip Rodriguez

    Whew.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    If the price is right and he’s willing to set up, all day and night here.

    • Chip Rodriguez

      Even then, you don’t make contact with Fernando Rodney. You wait for him to walk you.

      • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

        *rimshot*

  • CashmanNinja

    I’m one of the ones who doesn’t want Rodney. That’s not saying he isn’t good, but I just don’t feel like he fits this team well. His control is meh and I just don’t have much confidence in him. He was insane in 2012, but his ERA regressed. Take away that one amazing year and his career ERA and WHIP are really, really, really uncomfortable. He basically gave up 5x’s more earned runs this past season than in the previous season…and this last season is the one that is on par with his career #’s, so he really isn’t anything special. He’d be a good fit with the right team, but his control isn’t going to do him any favors in this ballpark.

    I’d still like for them to add another arm, but I’m also confident in their ability to turn just about anyone into a solid reliever. I understand not overpaying and if they can find someone for the right price then they should go after him, but they shouldn’t just go after Fernando Rodney because he’s available. Hell, I’m sure Rodney still wants to close and as of now that position is filled.

    • ALZ

      Yes, he really should have become a free agent 1 year earlier. He was good in 2012, but his stats suggest he was insanely lucky. I would throw a few million at him, but I figure his agent is trying to sell at a Balfour level contract.

  • http://Lohud Anne

    We don’t need Rodney and his arrow shooting behaviors he’s bush

  • Kiko Jones

    ^ This.

  • Farewell Mo

    Several teams reportedly are prepared to make him an offer to close so I doubt he comes to NY even if they make him an offer.

    He would be a good fit for the 8th inning though.

  • Eselquetodolosabe

    Fernando might be a victim of his persona. Cap disrespectfully cocked to the side….bow and arrow antics post save….seemingly stand-off’ish (unsubstantiated ?). Aside from that, this guy should’ve been signed already. Fernando is as I, Dominican, but that hat cocked to the side makes me F’ing irate ! I find that sh** thuggish and disrespectful to the team and your team-mates. (Take note Sabathia).

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I refer you to Richard Sherman’s thoughts on “thuggish,” which I happen to agree with.

      Rodney can wear his hat however he likes. I’d say someone reacting strongly to it needs to look a bit more closely at themselves than at Mr. Rodney. Would I wear it like that? No. That’s my personal choice, though. There’s nothing inherently disrespectful about what he is doing.

      I’d say the shooting arrows is a more legit complaint for those who don’t like showman-like antics in baseball. I don’t really have an issue with that, so it’s fine by me. I don’t think shooting arrows in the 8th inning would be as effective anyway.

      • Smack Down

        Christ Man, maybe Rodney should shove his hat up your ass.

        Dude is a LOSER!! I can see why you would like him.

        • Farewell Mo

          Give me a break.

          If he can get batters out, who care what the hell he does on the mound.

          When Joba came up and was doing his antics on the mound, Yankees fans couldn’t get enough of him.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          No, random screen name trolling me. That honor goes to you.

      • Eselquetodolosabe

        I’m not going to wax nostalgic….ok, maybe a little….I’d have loved the look on Graig Nettles face if Rodney would’ve walked into the dugout with his hat cocked to the side. Along with the looks given to Rodney by other players from that era, not to mention Billy Martin ! I think Rodney knows it’s disrespectful and does it anyway. I mean CC cocks it slightly (insert joke), but Sr.Rodney is practically wearing that sh** backwards. Funny you should bring up Mr. Sherman…..did you see how he was wearing his cap ? Maybe it’s just me, but that sh** has always bothered me. I think it’s desecration of the uniform that represents the team that pays you…..well ! Didn’t mean to engage in hyperbole, but that sh** just irks me….and I do feel that it’s an urban, hip-hop thing….thuggish ? Rodney may not be, but that look sure looks it. Madden lets him get away with it because Joe’s got that cool hipster thing going. I don’t think that would fly in NY, or any other city that wants its team to represent a corporate look….not mention respect.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          “Urban, hip-hop.”

          You’re calling him a n*gger. Let’s just put it out there.

          • Eselquetodolosabe

            N word ?! Wow, that’s strong language. Though I do feel that wearing the cap in that manner is ignorant.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              Woosh.

              I’ll stop now, although I do think it’s fun that we just enacted how this entire country gets along in a few brief blog comments.

              • Eselquetodolosabe

                No worries. Being a provocateur is a good way to illicit necessary, and sometimes uncomfortable dialogue. Civility allows for such dialogue.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  I am not here to call you a racist, or anything of that sort. We’re all racist. Every single one of us, and I worry more about the guy who immediately raises his hand and says, “no, not me! I’m not a racist.” None of us are perfect, and I’m just trying to bring this forward in order for you, and I, to think more about where we’re coming from. I don’t mean malice. There’s nothing to be learned by just pointing at someone else and saying “racist!” It’s a conversation-stopped and creates division. My only wish is that you’d have followed me a bit more from the start, but that’s fine.

                  I do think there are words and terms that are thrown out there that constitute a softer way of saying something that would make many uncomfortable. When Richard Sherman was asked about the flack he got for the Erin Andrews interviews, his response was that the only thing that bothered him was the use of the word “thuggish” by others because, in his mind, that had become a more socially acceptable way of just calling him a n*gger. I agree with him on that and, to be honest, it wasn’t until he said it in such a straightforward manner that I was able to put words around something that I’ve found uncomfortable for years.

                  Fernando Rodney wears his hat cocked to one side. Where criticism of that bothers me is that Fernando Rodney is a pretty successful baseball player. My knowlegde of his outside life is limited, but I can’t say I’ve heard of any transgressions or things that would make me think he’s not, at the very least, a law-abiding person not hurting anyone. While we should look up to doctors and lawyers and teachers as well, there’s little reason why he shouldn’t be looked up to. It saddens me to hear that, for some, all the above gets wiped out just because he wears his hat a certain way. That’s denigrating him.

                  I get stereotyping as a Latin person myself, but I’ve learned to be very careful in where I draw lines. I’m not Tony Montana, but I can’t separate myself fully from him. Fictional character, so terrible example, but you get my drift.
                  Questlove wrote an op-ed after the whole Trayvon Martin fiasco about getting on an elevator in his swanky NYC high-rise alone with a white women and how her visible discomfort affected him. It’s a longer read, and I’ve written too much on this already, but I can’t help but think of it throughout all this. Worth reading if you have the chance.

                  I’ll stop now and back to baseball.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Are you against the ‘thuggish-ness’ of his routine, or his persona in general?

      I actually think I agree with you, just for different reasons. I don’t get behind the whole ‘bow and arrow’ thing for the same reason I hated the gamesmanship of the Dominican WBC team. You may be ‘having fun’, but you look like a bunch of frat boy dickheads doing it. Have some respect for the game, especially if you plan on getting bounced in the quarter finals.

      That said, wear your hat how you like, wear whatever you want round your neck, paint your nuts green before each game, I don’t give a shit. Just win games and try not to look like an asshole while doing it.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        See, i don’t mind that, but i got the same enjoyment out of, say, Terrell Owens signing the ball after scoring a TD. Gamesmanship is fine, to me, if you’re willingness to take it with the same smile when you’re on the other end of it.

      • Eselquetodolosabe

        The bow and arrow schtick doesn’t irk me nearly as much as that hat disgrace. IMO, it’s a blatantly flagrant disrespect to the team, its fans and the city that it represents. Where do you draw the line ? Backwards ? Mr. Rodney is not playing on a sandlot somewhere, he’d be playing for the most decorated and globally recognized sports team in the world. Now, if that doesn’t deserve respect, what does ? Think of it as a dress code, which tons of teams implement. Heck, even college teams have dress codes. So, you have to wear a blazer and ironed shirt, but its ok to wear the team cap practically backwards ? Maybe I’m just getting old, but man that sh** boils my blood. I find myself screaming at the TV every time I see that sh**. “Hey _ _ _ hole, this ain’t no rap video, fix your _ _ _ _ ing hat ! …..and get off my lawn”. Maybe it’s just me.

        • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

          It’s not just you.

          It’s funny the dress code thing reminds me of my time on the floor of the NYSE. They have (had?) a jackets-required dress code. However, when you arrived you’d take off your suit jacket and put on a “jacket” they gave you which was usually a terrible bright color AND had a back that was full mesh. It was also sort of unconstructed and smockish. IOW, not really a jacket at all, and certainly nothing that made you look dignified or even “nice.” It was such an obvious letter vs spirit of the law kind of thing but it was entirely institutionalized – everyone wore those. Drove me nuts.

          As for JS’ ni**er comment above, I disagree. I think of frat dbags the same as I do Rodney when I see their cocked hats, and there’s no way I’m calling them ni**ers (even if it is in fact hip hop culture that they are emulating). I just think it’s disrespectful, plain and simple.

          Also, get off my lawn!

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            He reminded you of a frat boy, not, let’s see….. “urban, thuggish, hip-hip, and ignorant.”

            You actually have a wider schema under which you’re working under here.

            I love your NYSE story. Had never heard that.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Woosh.

        • JRod

          Exactly. It’s in the same category as the fools in Boston wearing their jerseys unbuttoned to the navel, or their Lord of the Rings beards. This is the NYY. If you want to play here, shave that clump of shit off your face and put your cap on straight. I hope they use that exact wording if they offer Rodney a contract.

  • http://Lohud Anne

    Farewell Mo
    If you really don’t care what he does on the mound then you should really change your name because Mo never acted like that maybe you should be farewell Joba

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Makes perfect sense. Oh, wait…

  • http://Lohud Anne

    Mo maybe your name should be fare well Joba We all know Mo would never behave like that idiot Rodney

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      Anne, welcome to the internet, discussion forums, and RAB. If you want to reply to someone, the logical thing to do would be to click “reply”.

      • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

        Heh.

  • Nathan

    Man, this bullpen situation makes me very nervous.

    The bullpen is going to be the (very) soft underbelly of this squad.

    • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

      I’m still waaaaaaaaaaaay more worried about the infield. All of it save C.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I think a Tex injury throws things out of balance quickly, but I’m not sure what you do about that other than sign more infield depth and hope that one of the available guys can fake first.

        Infield and extra pen arm definitely come first for me. I’m not going to be upset if they bring in a high-priced fifth starter. I just don’t think it’s as necessary.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’m still holding out hope we reunite with Luis Ayala. It makes alot of sense. With Kelleys up and down career, he could very well revert back to bad Kelley, and it’d be nice to have a stop gap guy we could be fairly comfortable in the 8th inning role, which i think Ayala could be. A very good 7th inning guy and possible 8th inn guy in a pinch, and he’d be cheap. He dosen’t rely on Heat to be effective, which i like. He can out smart guys.

  • CashmanNinja

    Ayala wouldn’t be my first choice, but if he’d be willing to come here for 1 year for a team friendly deal then we could definitely do worse. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than Rodney.

  • uyf1950

    I guess I fall into the camp of Ryan Madson. It looks like according to recent reports he’s finally healthy and back from TJS. He’s already held one workout for a team and is scheduled to make a public workout on Feb. 7th. I’d say if he does well the Yankee should consider making him an offer. He certainly would be a low risk high reward type of signing and can help the back end of the bullpen with Robertson closing but also provide some insurance. After 2 years off I would think a 1 year deal with a small guarantee and incentives would be the most he could expect from anyone.

  • LarryM Fl

    I’m in the camp of no on Rodney. I believe the Yankees should have a reliever fall into their laps as opposed to signing some guy who has a track record for latter inning work in the bullpen but no team.

    I just do not believe these younger arms can not be used efficiently by the coaching staff to form a good bullpen. There will be a competition for 5th man in the rotation. I would love Pineda to win but his innings total is limited this year. So it comes down to Phelps, Warren or anyone else. The losers got to the pen for Girardi and his coaches to work it out. We can get younger if we give it a chance. I would take younger in the rotation and bullpen with effective performances than in the field. Position players can be handled to be effective.

  • The Great Gonzo

    I could care less. Sign him, don’t sign him, I don’t give a shit. But sign SOMEBODY! Anybody at this point.

    Dellin Betences pitching the 8th inning is either going to be a really good or REALLY BAD thing soon, jus sayin.

  • John C

    If we can put up with Soriano and his pulling his shirt up, we can stand Rodney shooting arrows into the Bronx sky as well

  • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

    Pass.

    Not as much of a barf as AJ. But still, pass.

  • Evan3457

    I don’t know the guy, but I think he’ll pout if not given the closer’s job. Rightly so, given the fact that he’s been a successful closer for more or less two years now, and Robertson has never closed for any length of time. Combine that with his age, and I’m not willing to pay what he’ll want.

    I know he can pitch, and if I knew he was willing to do the set-up job for the price of a set-up man, I’d sign him. But please, no more $10 million a year set-up guys. Spend the extra $5-7 million on a solid middle infield or corner infield backup. That’s where it’ll be needed.

  • Eselquetodolosabe

    As far as NY’s infield, all teams are subject to injuries. What makes NY’s situation more precarious is the combination of age and injury of infield stalwarts Jeter and Texeira. An injury or aggravation of previous injuries, could be difficult to overcome. Depending on Jagielo’s progress, I can see NY’s number one offseason goal being Chase Headley. If Jagielo’s deemed to be 2 years away, then they probably let A-rod keep the spot warm for him.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’m much more amenable to the idea of signing Headley as an FA than trading any sort of piece now for, potentially, one year of him.

      I’d probably pursue him despite Jagelio. If it turns out that Jagelio can truly rake, we can find a place for him, Headley or no Headley.

  • JT

    Following years of Mo’s perfectly sportsmanlike and classy response to his saves, Rodney’s childish act would be even less tolerable than it otherwise should be.