Jan
19

Weekend Open Thread

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One way or another, the Masahiro Tanaka sweepstakes will be over one week from today. His signing deadline is 5pm ET on Friday but I think we’ll probably hear about an agreement a day or two earlier. He has to pass a physical and literally sign the contract before the deadline, so there needs to be a little wiggle room. These next few days should be fun. Here are the weekly links:

  • We know the Yankees have an old roster, but just how old? According to Ben Lindbergh (subs. req’d), they’re projected to have the second oldest crop of position players in baseball history thanks to an average age of 33.59 (!) years. The Barry Bonds-led 2006 Giants are history’s oldest team in terms of position players (34.46 year). The good-ish news: five of the ten oldest teams in history made the postseason. The bad news: none of three oldest teams did.
  • The 2009 Yankees had arguably the best infield in baseball history at a combined 19.7 fWAR, but this year’s team is much different. My pal Paul Swydan (subs. req’d) writes that the team’s current infield is only projected for 3.5 fWAR combined (roughly half a Robinson Cano), which would be a bottom-15 mark in franchise history. Mark Teixeira and Kelly Johnson are the only guys expected to be safely above replacement level. Yikes.
  • The Yankees haven’t had much success in the draft over the years but they aren’t the only team. Ryan Topp looked back the Brewers’ 2009 draft haul, which was a disaster up top but salvaged by some late-round selections. It’s similar to New York’s 2008 draft, from which they’ve gotten nothing from their top picks but have received value from David Phelps in the later rounds.
  • As expected, the Dodgers locked up ace Clayton Kershaw to a seven-year, $215M contract earlier this week. It’s easy to wince and say it’s too much for a pitcher, but, as Grant Brisbee writes, Kershaw is no ordinary pitcher and the Dodgers are no ordinary team. The rules of normal contract evaluation do not apply to them. The same of true of the Yankees, in some ways.

Friday: This is your open thread for the night and will be for the rest of the weekend as well. The Knicks are the only local team in action and, from what I understand, they’re unwatchable. It is Friday though, so it’s a good night to go out. Talk about any and everything right here.

Saturday: Once again, this is your open thread. The Islanders and Devils are both playing, but that’s pretty much it. Talk about whatever. Enjoy.

Sunday: For the third and final time, this is the nightly open thread. The AFC Championship Game should be just about ending and the NFC Championship Game should be close to beginning as of the time of this post. The Rangers are playing as well. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Categories : Links, Open Thread
  • Silvio

    Not an encouraging start to the night to hear that the Yanks are that old! And no consolation to learn they compare with the Brewers in poor drafting.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Derek did an interview today on the MLB channel.

    It was rather boring, with the dry, flavorless responses you’d get from a commercial spokesperson.

    It’s sad. Once upon a time stars had tremendous personality (Ali, Reggie, Rose, McEnroe, Namath), now they act like mannequins so they can sell sneakers and shaving cream.

    • Chris H

      Considering that every single one of those guys has had to deal with a bunch of headaches Jeter never has I’d say he’s better off.

    • Alkaline

      Safer for him to act that way, though.

    • Yankee Fan 1

      I thought his comment about not speaking Japanese besides some bad words from Matsui and Ichiro was kinda funny. He has a very dry sarcastic sense of humor

    • RetroRob

      If by personality you mean narcissists, why yes.

      • vicki

        when did we turn into a bunch of prudish old scolds around here? they’re not knights of the round table or whatever. give me color and charm every time.

        • W.B. Mason Williams

          I appreciate where you’re coming from and agree to an extent, but it’s important to appreciate the value of vanilla good guys like Derek.

          Reggie, Rose, Namath and Ali all have their reputations of being assholes (some more than others[straw that stirs the drink, seriously?]). While they make the game interesting, it’s still nice to have guys that represent the sport as character ambassadors.

          • RetroRob

            Spot on.

            Hey, I loved people like John McEnroe (and, btw, I don’t believe he’s a narcissist, although Rose, Reggie, and Namath totally are), but as a NYer and a Baby Boomer who grew up watching the Reggie’s of the world (who remains one of my favorite Yankees), you pretty much have to be brain dead to also not appreciate Derek Jeter and how he handles these situations. A-Rod is Reggie in his ability to never quite understand his position in the world and to keep putting his foot in his mouth. Go love A-Rod if you like “colorful.” And Reggie totally would have taken steroids…and hit 60 HRs one year in the process!

    • sas

      You really are an idiot. Today, you say one thing out line and you get nailed. There would be 10,000 bloggers today questioning if McEnroe is insane and hurting tennis.

      Now go back to 1978 old man.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      I don’t care what he says, so long as he leaves the children alone.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        We share the same biology
        Regardless of ideology
        Believe me when I say to you
        I hope the Russians love their children too

        • I’m One

          Going to see him & Paul Simon next month. Nice choice of lyrics.

  • Chris H

    I would imagine he’d have a pretty decent idea of where he’s going by the end of the weekend. Obviously he’ll want to shop his biggest offer around one last time before agreeing but I’d lay money on a verbal deal being in place by Wednesday.

  • 461deep

    Yankees oldest players are those they will depend on greatly including Derek, Tex, CC, Alfonso, Hiroki, Carlos and Brian R. Bonds was still good in 2006 but most think PED aided. Brian M, Brett & Jacoby must stay healthy since some older players will miss time. Ironically, their oldest Ichiro looks fragile but has actually been very durable his entire career.

  • Farewell Mo

    Not very reassuring to here the Yankees are projected to have a historically bad infield with hardly any current options available to upgrade

    • Farewell Mo

      Hear

      • RetroRob

        Hear, here.

  • Kevin G.

    Call me naive, but I think Teixeira or (if he somehow stays healthy) maybe even Jeter can put up that 3.5 WAR by himself. That being said, whatever we get from 2B and 3B will be probably be such a gaping hole of suck that it may cancel it out

    • Mike

      Jeter and Tex have the ability to do that.

    • Farewel Mo

      3.5 WAR for Jeter at his age coming off a major injury and missing almost an entire season?

      That’s borderline delusional.

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        But if it were gonna be anyone.

  • Dalek Jeter

    So, looking ahead to next off season (cause I’m ridiculously bored and just got home from work)…my spoiled brat wishlist is:

    Lowrie to play 2nd
    Hanley Ramirez to play SS
    Headley to play 3B
    Sign/extend Gardner to play LF
    and 2 of Scherzer, Masterson, and Lester

    • Chris H

      I’d be shocked if Hanley, Scherzer, and to a lesser extent Lester hit free agency.

      Masterson I think is an awful fit for the Yankees, he’s solid but he has awful numbers against LHP still and his home/road splits are pretty huge. Put him in lefty friendly YS and I think you are begging for trouble and end up paying a 3/4 like a 1/2.

      If he made it to FA I’d worry about giving Hanley a big deal, the talent has always been there but the durability and defense worry me. I mean by all rights he should be playing third right now but can’t because he pouts and complains if he isn’t playing SS. Unbelievable talent but there a lot of question marks, maybe too many for what he’s going to get.

    • Mike

      I can see us signing all those players. We will have the cash to outbid any offers.

      • Chris H

        Any offer except the Dodgers… With their TV deal they could operate a team with a 300-350M dollar payroll and still net a pretty giant profit. Sure if Hal decided the luxury tax was no object we could compete with their offers, but they have a higher overall ability to spend by pocketing some 6B from that TV deal.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          We have more money than the Dodgers do. They’ve just been more willing to spend it recently.

        • pft2

          I doubt the Dodgers are getting much more than 150 million after RS in the early years of the deal, not much more than the Yankees get from YES. The avg is about 250 million but the numbers up in time, probably about 4% per yer and top out at 350 million. They sell a lot of tickets but their average ticket price is about 1/2 that the Yankees.

          They also have about 400 million in commitments to McCourt as part of the deal that cost them over 2 billion, while the Yankees are 400 million flush after the NewsCorp deal and a stadium financing deal that reduces their revenue sharing by about 20 million.

          Yankees are in much better financial shape than the Dodgers and should be able to outbid them. Its a question of will and not means.

        • Ed

          Big money TV deals are great, but owning the largest regional sports network is better.

    • Farewell Mo

      I’d say yes to Lowrie (if he shows he can stay healthy) and either Sandoval or Headley but Ramirez isn’t a SS anymore.

      • vicki

        of course he is.

    • Oy

      Lowrie will play in less than 100 games next year
      Hanley will sign a 6 year, 135 million extension, with a vesting option for year 7.
      Headley will sign with Washington, 6 years, 120 mill.
      Gardner will sign with Houston, 5 years, 75 million.
      Dodgers will sign Scherzer to the initial CC contract, Blue Jays will nap Masterson and Red Sox will retain Lester.

      Instead, Hal and the Co. will focus on…

      Jeter on 1 year, 15 million to “play” SS
      Aramis Ramirez to play third on 2 years, 35 mill
      Torri Hunter on 2 years, 22 mill

      Not to mention, we’ll stick it to the Sox by stealing Ryan Dempster on a 3 year, 33 mill deal! Haha, suck it Boston!

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        You do know the Nats have a franchise 3B right?

        • Oy

          You do know that Zimmerman is gradually being transitioned to 1B next year and Nats will have a hole at 1B/3B when LaRoche is gone after 2014?

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            You know hat Anthony Rendon exists, right?

            • Oy

              Yes, and he is manning 2B. He put up negative UZR at 3B in 98 innings there in 2013, while putting up a positive UZR at 2B in 714.1 innings. I’d be willing to bet a hefty sum of money that Nats will sign/trade for a premium 3B next off season. A Zimmerman – Renden – Desmond – Headley/Sandoval/Ramirez infield would be by far the best in the game.

              • Ed

                With a sample size of 98 innings, UZR is about as accurate as rolling dice. With 714 innings, UZR still isn’t something you should put a lot of stock into.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                Yeah, 98 innings of UZR means literally nothing, and 714 innings doesn’t mean much more.

                You also have to remember that Rendon has serious ankle issues. He is absolutely not physically capable of playing 2B in the long run.

      • RetroRob

        Scherzer is getting more than CC. The market has changed dramatically.

        • vicki

          it has, and he will. even though cc was better when he got his.

    • fuster

      Tulowitzki at SS

      • I’m One

        Another injury concern. Great when he’s on the filed, but I’d expect 3 injury-filled seasons on a 7 year deal.

    • Chip Rodriguez

      I want Scherzer and Masterson of those 3 pitchers.

      And I want D-Rob signed/extended for another 4 or 5 years, or whatever it’ll take to keep him in pinstripes for a good while

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    Cameron wrote a piece similar to Brisbee’s about the Ellsbury signing.

    It was basically: Yeah, you might wince at the years and dollars, but the Yankees don’t operate in the same market as the other non-Dodgers teams.

    • TWTR

      Which is a good thing because of their inability to grow their own. So just keep spending and spending until they are a championship team again.

  • Chelo

    I think most of us are forgetting that the yankees dont need a TV Deal lol, They own their own network.

    • pft2

      They own about 32% now, a number that will go down to about 24% after extending their deal with Yes as part of the News Corp deal and put 420 million in their pockets at the end of 2012

      • RetroRob

        And that 420 million is a drop in the bucket. They also claim to be only making 90 million a year off of YES. That’s the “for show” money. That was a vaguely realistic number a couple years back so they could submit it to MLB without being heavily questioned. It was b.s., though, since the Rangers were already making more than that, as were the Angels. Based on viewers and 2011 rates (and they’ve gone up since), the Yankees should be making nearly $400 million a year from YES, yet they’re only reporting $90.

        Not hard to figure out what’s going on. The bulk of it is shielded from revenue sharing and goes straight to YES Global where MLB not only can’t touch it, they can’t even see it. Bud Selig doesn’t even know what the Yankees are making, but it is a lot. More than any other team in MLB, including the Dodgers who are going to make nearly $350M a year.

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Just saw a post on MLBTR about Carlos Santana manning 3B for the Tribe and Yan Gomes taking over starting duties behind the plate.

    This supposedly makes Lonnie Chisenhall available, and probably cheap too given his stock at this point.

    Nik Turley and a couple C prospect throw-ins get this done?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’m not even sure I’d give them Turley.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      Lonnie Chisenhall is garbage.

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        Garbage is an upgrade from manure.

    • Alkaline

      If it didn’t take much, I would take a flyer on him. Torn on Turly. Like Mike’s write ups of him and of course, is lefty, but we do have enough back end types, right?

      • Alkaline

        Turley*

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Just read the MLBTR update on the Cubs making a “real offer” to Tanaka. Sure beats making a “fake offer.”

    Now, they may wind up with him, but some of these Cubs leaks sound so much like trying to drum up fan excitement (“Rick Renteria ordered Rosetta Stone!” LOLZ) for a franchise on its umpteenth reboot effort. They seem to be the team least capable of keeping their mouth shut here.

    • Alkaline

      “Fake offer” I guess that would be considered a …token…offer? ;)

  • Chris

    What about Matt Dominquez for 3rd?

  • Anthony

    And here’s all the Tanaka/Cubs rumors for today. Doesn’t sound good:

    CSNMooney: Crane: “We are busy. I’m not going to comment on Tanaka or anyone else. That’s really Theo’s area. But we have resources.”

    MLBBruceLevine: Japanese source said Tanaka loves a challenge and wants to be the man. All that is waiting for him at Clark and Addison.

    MLBBruceLevine: MLB source believes Cubs are lead team for Tanaka .

    BleacherNation: Bohringer says Cubs have scouted Tanaka for years. They cover every league, every corner of the globe. #CubsCon

    • Vinny Bag-a-donuts

      I have been following all day, I have a bad feeling that we are going to get some bad news in the next 24 hours. Hope I’m wrong.

      • Anthony

        Certainly sounds that way.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Things it’s easy to do for $400 alex.

      • Havok9120

        I’m curious: were you also super-optimistic about signing him when all the reports had him going to the Yankees?

        • forensic

          He still has a bad feeling that Sabathia is going to sign in California too…

          • Vinny Bag-a-donuts

            Easy there guys, all I was commenting on is that there are multiple reports of Cubs gaining traction and no reports of other traction with other teams.

            • Havok9120

              Well, no, I’m just asking you. Anthony has been relentlessly pessimistic about Tanaka. I’m asking whether you feel the Yanks are in the race or not.

              • Vinny Bag-a-donuts

                Fair enough, comment was meant more for forensic. I was up and down, but always thought the Yankees were favorites since they had the most money and the biggest need. After the Dodgers extended Kershaw, felt even better. Again, hope the rumors about the Cubs are just that, but it makes sense for them also. Big market, should contend in a couple years when Tanaka hits his prime with young talent around him to peak at the same time.

        • Anthony

          Personally, I was never really optimistic. I always felt the new posting rules put the Yankees at a disadvantage and there would be a team like the Cubs or Mariners that would make an insane offer for him.

          • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

            “Personally, I was never really optimistic.”

            The Anthony Story.

            • thumper

              #therealgreg

    • Havok9120

      You’re reaching now.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      If the cubs don’t sign Tanaka, you can just leave RAB for good.

      That’ll make everyone happier than these dumb updates.

      • Anthony

        Look, everyone on this website wants the Yankees to sign Masahiro Tanaka.

        I understand these rumors suck to here…but it’s all we got. It’s not like these rumors are coming from one Cubs reporter and we could easily brush it off as mere speculation. They’re coming from multiple Cubs reporters: Levine, Whittenmeyer, DiCaro, Kaplan, Mooney.

        It’s likely one reporter could be getting bad informaton…but five?

        I hope the Yankees make a killer offer and sign Tanaka but it just doesn’t seem that way at the moment.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          My point remains.

        • Havok9120

          You’re believing the rumors you want to believe and disregarding others. You don’t believe the Yanks will sign him. You never believed the Yanks would sign him. There’s not much more to be said.

          • Anthony

            And exactly what rumors am I disregarding? There hasn’t been one rumor regarding the Yankees true intentions regarding Tanaka. That could be good or it could be bad, but I certainly haven’t disregarded any rumor he’s coming to NY because there hasn’t been such a rumor to disregard.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              You’re ignoring the fact that the negotiations have been just about as quiet as any have ever been before, intentionally so.

              Have you heard rumors from any other teams? No. Because the cubs have been the only one to leak anything.

              Shock.

              • Anthony

                We’ve heard a bunch of rumors regarding to the Dodgers pursuit of Tanaka and a few from the Angels side. Cubs certainly haven’t been alone although they take the lead as the team with the most rumors surrounding them

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  Every single rumor has had the Yankees and Dodgers included.

                  You’re too far gone. Whatever. Enjoy your depressing night.

                  • Anthony

                    “‘I’ve gone too far” in doing what? By posting all the rumors that I’ve seen?

                    Once again, we haven’t heard ANY rumor re: the Yankees true intentions with Tanaka. For example:

                    We haven’t heard Yankees won’t be outbid for Tanaka like we have with the Dodgers and Cubs.

                    And we haven’t heard Yankees won’t cross a certain line to get Tanaka, which is a good thing.

                    All we know is that the Yankees are interested but we haven’t been clued in on the level of their interest like we have been with the Cubs. Hell, even the Dodgers front office is openly stating they’ve been talking to him and no deal precludes another.

                    I’m not dismissing the possibility of Tanaka being a Yankee. I’m merely stating that based on the volume of rumors we’ve heard about Tanaka going to the Cubs, it doesn’t sound good.

                    • Alkaline

                      I’ll bite.

                      “‘I’ve gone too far” in doing what? By posting all the rumors that I’ve seen?

                      I haven’t seen you post and rumors that consistently state the Yanks are one of the major players.

                      Once again, we haven’t heard ANY rumor re: the Yankees true intentions with Tanaka. For example:
                      We haven’t heard Yankees won’t be outbid for Tanaka like we have with the Dodgers and Cubs.

                      Except for Cash saying we’re ready to Rock and Roll. And the fact the Yanks do their best to not play their hand through the media (i.e. Ellsbury).

                      And we haven’t heard Yankees won’t cross a certain line to get Tanaka, which is a good thing.
                      All we know is that the Yankees are interested but we haven’t been clued in on the level of their interest like we have been with the Cubs.

                      Cashman’s comment about ready to rock and roll. Hal or Hank saying they want to sign another pitcher. Other reporters commenting how the Yanks have the greatest need for Tanaka is not lost on management, for sure.

                      Hell, even the Dodgers front office is openly stating they’ve been talking to him and no deal precludes another.
                      I’m not dismissing the possibility of Tanaka being a Yankee. I’m merely stating that based on the volume of rumors we’ve heard about Tanaka going to the Cubs, it doesn’t sound good.

                      No, you’re picking and choosing the loudest rumors let loose by 1 team.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  I’m off, so reply if you wish, but I’m done listening to your relentlessly negative propaganda.

                  • Farewell Mo


                    If the cubs don’t sign Tanaka, you can just leave RAB for good.
                    That’ll make everyone happier than these dumb updates.

                    Dude, last I checked the only person with the right to ask someone to leave the blog was Mike.

                    If you don’t like his posts, ignore him.

                    Who do you think you are, Tilapia Steinbrenner?

                    • Havok9120

                      Yeeeeeeah. Because that’s totally what he was doing there. Not a general indication of dislike in a sarcastic manner.

                      Nice of you to name drop someone who wasn’t involved though.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      That’s OK. I’d expect nothing less from the second dumbest commenter on here.

                    • Pat D

                      Hey, I worked damned hard for that title! See if I post around here anymore!

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      I may have to adjust my rankings.

                • Havok9120

                  If you are unwilling to admit that virtually every report has had the Yankees as one of the main contenders, often as the team to beat, then you’re just trolling.

                  • Alkaline

                    They see him trollin’. They hatin’.

                    • Havok9120

                      It was less me accusing him of actually being a troll and more just me saying that he’s arguing what he’s arguing and nothing will change his mind unless Tanaka actually signs with the Yankees.

                    • Anthony

                      I wouldn’t say nothing would change my mind, just that we haven’t gotten much besides “Yankees/Dodgers/Diamondbacks reportedly very interested as well.”

                  • Anthony

                    Again, I am not disputing that the Yankees haven’t been rumored to be one of the main contenders. That’s not what I’m saying at all.

                    I’m saying that we don’t know the Yankees true intentions regarding Tanaka. For all we know, they’re willing to give him a massive contract or they’re just doing this all for show, to tell their fans “hey, we tried but we couldn’t cross that line.”

                  • Alkaline

                    I know. I’m more or less just busting chops.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner

                  I’d say about half the non-partisan guys on the net have said they think he’s going to the Yanks. You’re choosing to hear the news you want to hear.

                  We don’t know where he’s going. Even if he winds up signing somewhere he was rumored to be going to, it still doesn’t mean you knew more at 7:43 PM on Saturday night.

                  • Anthony

                    Well I hope these rumors are wrong and the Yankees end up signing him because they badly, badly need him if they want to contend in 2014.

                    • Alkaline

                      That we could agree on. I think it’ll be tough if we don’t sign him, for sure.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      It’ll be tough. I’ll still be here, and I’ll still believe. I’m sure you’ll do the same too. :)

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          So, because it’s a lot Cubs reporters, that changes things?

          They may wind up with him, but this don’t mean shit right now.

    • forensic

      He may end up anywhere, though Casey Close probably isn’t thrilled that he apparently told everyone he wants a quiet negotiation period and yet all the talk/leaks/sources all seem to be coming from one team.

      And none of that news is really anything that would be different from the Yankees. It all could apply to them too.

      And what the hell is CubsCon? Is that like Comic Con? Probably has just as much fantasy and delusional fans at least…

      • Anthony

        Latest rumor:

        Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.

        The Diamondbacks have made no secret of their pursuit of Tanaka this winter, and according to Nikkan, they’ve offered him a deal for six years and $120MM. “Like other teams, we’re very interested,” CEO Derrick Hall was quoted as saying at a recent meeting of MLB owners. “We want to win this competition.” Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick reportedly met with Tanaka directly during his recent tour of clubs in the U.S.

        The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan, while comments by Angels owner Arte Moreno suggest that the team would have trouble fitting Tanaka into its budget. Overall, we appear to be nearing the stage in negotiations where the only step remaining is Tanaka’s actual decision.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          So NOT in invisible ink.

          (See my joke below)

          • Anthony

            Again. Never argued they weren’t in on Tanaka, merely said that no rumor leaked regarding there true intentions and that I don’t feel the Yankees will sign him.

            HORRIBLE, I know.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              That’s totally fair. No one is ordering you to be confident here.

  • vicki

    for real, though; in case i don’t hate the M’s enough already, by all means put tony larussa in charge.

  • OldYanksFan

    “NEW YORK (AP) — New baseball union head Tony Clark says players won’t agree to terminating contracts as part of discipline for drug violations.

    I’d venture to guess that even though there are concerns on a number of levels, that we will never end up in a world where player contracts are voided as a result,” Clark said Wednesday during an interview with The Associated Press at the union’s office.”

    Now I don’t think steroids are evil.
    And I am not a big disciplinarian.
    But if MLB wants PEDs gone, and the majority of the players want PEDs gone, they why is the MLBPA so afraid to come up with real punishments.

    • forensic

      There is always the possibility of a false positive.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I think teams should bear some responsibility of keeping the game clean. It’s not all on the players. Making contracts non-guaranteed takes the teams completely off the hook.

      • Anthony

        100%

      • Havok9120

        I’m split. Teams need some incentive to pitch in, but it is totally a bait and switch on the part of the players, and teams have no way of trying to sniff out who’s doing what on their own.

      • Eselquetodolosabe

        MLBPA.

  • mustang

    Read the back and forth on Tanaka I must thank you for the entertainment too funny.

    Seriously I agree with forensic, but I also think that Tanaka’s camp is trying to get the price up. The Yankees and Dodgers have been the only constant rumor throughout these negotiations both big spenders, in big entertainment markets (for Tanaka’s wife) and both are better playoff contenders then the Cubs. Boston was in then out or maybe still in. The Angels were in as the final 3 now they seem to be out. Now Cubs have come in with a few days left. To me this sound like an agent trying to drum up competition I still think he will be a Yankee I guess we will know soon enough.

    • mustang

      “Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.”

      “The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan,”

      Surprise, Surprise another leak……lol.

      Like I said looks like Close is trying to get the Dodgers and Yanks to get closer to whatever over top offer the Cubs made.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Nikkan is reporting the Yanks are one of several teams who have made offers. I can’t confirm or deny that the word “Yankees” was printed in invisible ink, just to fuck with Anthony a bit.

    • Anthony

      Here’s what the report states, according to MLBTR:

      Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.

      The Diamondbacks have made no secret of their pursuit of Tanaka this winter, and according to Nikkan, they’ve offered him a deal for six years and $120MM. “Like other teams, we’re very interested,” CEO Derrick Hall was quoted as saying at a recent meeting of MLB owners. “We want to win this competition.” Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick reportedly met with Tanaka directly during his recent tour of clubs in the U.S.

      The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan, while comments by Angels owner Arte Moreno suggest that the team would have trouble fitting Tanaka into its budget. Overall, we appear to be nearing the stage in negotiations where the only step remaining is Tanaka’s actual decision.

      • mustang

        Like I said looks like Close is trying to get the Dodgers and Yanks to get closer to whatever over top offer the Cubs made.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I’ve pulled out my checkbook already.

        • Anthony

          Could be considering the article doesn’t even mention what the Cubs bid.

        • mustang

          I say Diamondbacks and Cubs are at 6 for 120 that’s 20mm a year while the Dodgers and Yankees are at 6 for 100 that’s 16 mm a year. It’s either the Yankees or Dodgers.

          • mustang

            The Yankees will hit 6 for 120 the Dodgers will find that too costly after Kershaw.

            The Yankees win, THEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!!!

            :)

          • Anthony

            TomLoxas: Heard #Cubs offer for Tanaka in 160 mil neighborhood plus posting fee.

            • mustang

              180!!!! Total cost!!!

              GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SHIT!!!!!!

              That’s 26mm that’s this neighborhood Cole Hamels ($144M in new money), Justin Verlander ($140MM), and Felix Hernandez ($135.5MM).

              OK BYE
              BYE

              • mustang

                Zack Greinke
                $26,000,000

                Cliff Lee
                $25,000,000

                Cole Hamels
                $23,500,000

                C.C. Sabathia
                $23,000,000

                Felix Hernandez a
                $22,857,142

                Matt Cain
                $20,833,333

                Justin Verlander
                $20,000,000

                Just to give you idea even 20mm seems like bit much

                • CashmanNinja

                  I feel if the Yankees go up a little then Tanaka will want to come here because let’s face it…they’re still the Cubs.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    I know that, if I wanted to be somewhere where I can easily manage my Japanese pop stardom, it’d be Chicago.

                    No, it wouldn’t.

                    Who knows if that’s even true. We shall see at the end.

                    • mustang

                      IF that offer on the table he can fly her to NY OR LA…..lol

                      Find that offer very hard to believe.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      I wonder if they like pizza.

                • Chip Rodriguez

                  And Tim Lincecum, who has been inconsistent as hell lately, got 35 million over 2 years. Pitching’s expensive.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              We’ll see if it that’s true, and if it matters.

            • Bo Knows

              No way golden boy Epstein would throw that kind of cash. That’s literally franchise ruining for everyone save for the Yankees and Dodgers.

  • Jimmy Page

    the Yankees need to match the $160M offer. they need this guy otherwise they will miss the playoffs again

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      So let’s pay a guy more than Grienke, Lee, and Hamels are making over godknowshowmanyyears so that we can feel safe and sound in 2014.

      • mustang

        Why did you even bite dude?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Good point.

          • Anthony

            Apart of me feels the Yankees should take the gamble and do whatever it takes to sign him…but, as noted before, that’s a ton of bread for a guy who has never thrown a pitch in the MLB.

            • mustang

              Average annual value
              The highest-paid players in baseball history, by average annual value:
              1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20)
              2. Roger Clemens, $28,000,022 (2007)
              3. Alex Rodriguez, $27,500,000 (2008-17)
              4. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19)
              5. Alex Rodriguez, $25,200,000 (2001-10)
              6. Ryan Howard, $25,000,000 (2012-16)
              . . Josh Hamilton, $25,000,000 (2013-17)
              . . Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19)
              9. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18)
              10. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16)

              He would have the 4th highest average annual value in the HISTORY OF THE GAME!!!

              Just a little stupid.

              • mustang

                “a guy who has never thrown a pitch in the MLB.”

                Don’t even know why I’m biting…LOL

                • Anthony

                  Huh? You don’t think that’s a valid reason to pass on him? I think the Yanks can afford and probably should take the gamble but the guy has never thrown a pitch in the MLB.

                  • mustang

                    No. I think its very valid reason. I meant biting on that offer even being on the table.

                    • Anthony

                      Ah gotcha

              • Kevin G.

                Don’t understand why Roger Clemens got so much one for not even a full season

                • forensic

                  Well, he didn’t really get $28 million for the season. He actually got about $18.5 million. The $28 million is his salary prorated over the whole season.

  • Oy

    Was going to bitch about how I’m sick of “Yankees MUST sign Tanaka!” and “Yankees won’t make the play offs if they don’t sign Tanaka!” posts…

    Fuck it. Give him 7/155 with an opt out after year 3. Make the team entertaining. Give fans a reason to be excited for the season. Yankees will be paying for his premium years, unlike the usual FA pitchers who are usually on a decline when they hit the free agency. I don’t want Santana/Garza ever wearing pinstripes. Get him in the Bronx!

  • Bo Knows

    Surprise (not really) the report about the cubs offer is most likely a load of crap

    “Beware reports suggesting Cubs have high offer on table for Tanaka or that he’s favoring Cubs. Multiple sources say Cubs remain long shots.”

    — Gordon Wittenmyer (@GDubCub) January 19, 2014 (Chicago Suns Times beat writer)

  • OldYanksFan

    Should the Yankees try to extend David Robertson now?
    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....-extension

    64% Offer an extension now (106 votes)
    32% Offer an extension mid-season (53 votes)
    3% Let him hit the open market (5 votes)
    1% Look for a trade (2 votes)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      You can offer him an extension now, but I can’t see why he would take it. He’s likely to get paid as a closer after this season, whether here or somewhere else, and I’m sure he knows that.

      • Dalek Jeter

        That’s what I said a couple days ago when somebody brought it up. There is no good reason for him to consider signing an extension now.

        • forensic

          Well, there are good reasons for him to take an extension now. But, I do agree that the reasons not to accept one outweigh the reasons to accept one.

        • Richard Sherman

          BECAUSE I TOLD HIM TO!!! I’M THE BEST CORNER IN THE NFL! I DON’T NEED NO CRABTREE TELLING ME OR DAVID ROBERTSON WHAT TO DO!

        • RetroRob

          I agree, although I also agree with what forensic said. He’s a pitcher, and there is always a risk of injury more so than with a position player. He’s also a reliever and about to take over the closer position for the first time (most likely). In other words, there are enough questions that a decent offer from the Yankees should be considered, especially considering how the market values relievers right now (much less than previously).

          Of course, the Yankees know this too, and they may be more than happy to wait.

      • Smack Down

        I wish Richard Sherman would come on here and verbally smack that shit out of you. He would be perfect!!

        • Richard Sherman

          I ALREADY SHOWED UP! YOU JUST LIKE CRABTREE. YOU CAN’T READ. QUIT TALKIN ABOUT ME OR TILAPIA. WE COUNT OUR MONEY. YOU JUST SIT AND COUNT YOUR BALLS!

  • Alkaline

    So close to getting rid of this cabin fever. Few more weeks, boys and girls.

  • Anthony

    Via Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com:

    Going into the weekend one major league source told ESPNChicago.com that the Cubs were willing to go as high as $25 million per year for between 6-8 years. Another source indicated the years were right but the price was lower. Both agreed the Yankees would be the stiffest competition unless the Los Angeles Dodgers blew everyone away at the last minute.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Man, what is your obsession with Chicago landing Tanaka?

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        MLBTR is saying that they probably won’t get him, because Tanaka doesn’t want to play for a shitty team.

        • RetroRob

          95% of these rumors are coming out of Chicago. Make of that of what you will. I know what I do.

      • Anthony

        No obsession with Chicago, just passing along any rumors that pop on my Twitter feed. Like this one:

        YankeeSource: Tanaka has numerous suitors. According to a former Tanaka teammate, Tanaka prefers a big market team that’s ready to win.

        • Chip Rodriguez

          So Seattle’s been friendzoned. Fantastic.

  • Eselquetodolosabe

    Man, this Tanaka situation seems frenzied and bordering on preposterous. No ML, nor MiLB experience at a cost of approximately 180mm ? I don’t know, maybe fortuitous if NY “loses” out ! Jeez, I’m getting that Cano – who gives a sh – - if he signs elsewhere, not worth it !

    • Anthony

      I think, for the Yankees, he’s worth the risk. They’re the richest franchise in the MLB, they can afford to take this risk on a 25-year old pitcher who has tremendously promising stuff.

      • D23

        The guy has yet to pitch in MLB and faced premier hitters. Additionally, the ball is slightly bigger here in MLB as opposed to what he used in Japan. While he has apparently good stuff as Darvis, some say not better, $25M is quite steep IMO especially for the richest franchise in baseball. Yes Yanks need him but I don’t think he is necessarily going to go to the highest bidder. He wants to pitch in a city with high Japanese community. He wants to pitch for prima donna team. To me, its down to Dodgers and Yankees. If Cubs offer him $25M so be it, but I think he’ll take less to play in LA or NY. No source, no fact, just my opinion.

  • Mick taylor

    Richard Sherman did peds got his suspension overturned on technicality. But none of righteous sports Igbo IRS like liberalmike and drunk bill madden care to att ack him let alone crucify him as they did arod