Jan
19

Weekend Open Thread

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One way or another, the Masahiro Tanaka sweepstakes will be over one week from today. His signing deadline is 5pm ET on Friday but I think we’ll probably hear about an agreement a day or two earlier. He has to pass a physical and literally sign the contract before the deadline, so there needs to be a little wiggle room. These next few days should be fun. Here are the weekly links:

  • We know the Yankees have an old roster, but just how old? According to Ben Lindbergh (subs. req’d), they’re projected to have the second oldest crop of position players in baseball history thanks to an average age of 33.59 (!) years. The Barry Bonds-led 2006 Giants are history’s oldest team in terms of position players (34.46 year). The good-ish news: five of the ten oldest teams in history made the postseason. The bad news: none of three oldest teams did.
  • The 2009 Yankees had arguably the best infield in baseball history at a combined 19.7 fWAR, but this year’s team is much different. My pal Paul Swydan (subs. req’d) writes that the team’s current infield is only projected for 3.5 fWAR combined (roughly half a Robinson Cano), which would be a bottom-15 mark in franchise history. Mark Teixeira and Kelly Johnson are the only guys expected to be safely above replacement level. Yikes.
  • The Yankees haven’t had much success in the draft over the years but they aren’t the only team. Ryan Topp looked back the Brewers’ 2009 draft haul, which was a disaster up top but salvaged by some late-round selections. It’s similar to New York’s 2008 draft, from which they’ve gotten nothing from their top picks but have received value from David Phelps in the later rounds.
  • As expected, the Dodgers locked up ace Clayton Kershaw to a seven-year, $215M contract earlier this week. It’s easy to wince and say it’s too much for a pitcher, but, as Grant Brisbee writes, Kershaw is no ordinary pitcher and the Dodgers are no ordinary team. The rules of normal contract evaluation do not apply to them. The same of true of the Yankees, in some ways.

Friday: This is your open thread for the night and will be for the rest of the weekend as well. The Knicks are the only local team in action and, from what I understand, they’re unwatchable. It is Friday though, so it’s a good night to go out. Talk about any and everything right here.

Saturday: Once again, this is your open thread. The Islanders and Devils are both playing, but that’s pretty much it. Talk about whatever. Enjoy.

Sunday: For the third and final time, this is the nightly open thread. The AFC Championship Game should be just about ending and the NFC Championship Game should be close to beginning as of the time of this post. The Rangers are playing as well. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Categories : Links, Open Thread

161 Comments»

  1. Silvio says:

    Not an encouraging start to the night to hear that the Yanks are that old! And no consolation to learn they compare with the Brewers in poor drafting.

  2. Steinbrenner's Ghost says:

    Derek did an interview today on the MLB channel.

    It was rather boring, with the dry, flavorless responses you’d get from a commercial spokesperson.

    It’s sad. Once upon a time stars had tremendous personality (Ali, Reggie, Rose, McEnroe, Namath), now they act like mannequins so they can sell sneakers and shaving cream.

    • Chris H says:

      Considering that every single one of those guys has had to deal with a bunch of headaches Jeter never has I’d say he’s better off.

    • Alkaline says:

      Safer for him to act that way, though.

    • Yankee Fan 1 says:

      I thought his comment about not speaking Japanese besides some bad words from Matsui and Ichiro was kinda funny. He has a very dry sarcastic sense of humor

    • RetroRob says:

      If by personality you mean narcissists, why yes.

      • vicki says:

        when did we turn into a bunch of prudish old scolds around here? they’re not knights of the round table or whatever. give me color and charm every time.

        • W.B. Mason Williams says:

          I appreciate where you’re coming from and agree to an extent, but it’s important to appreciate the value of vanilla good guys like Derek.

          Reggie, Rose, Namath and Ali all have their reputations of being assholes (some more than others[straw that stirs the drink, seriously?]). While they make the game interesting, it’s still nice to have guys that represent the sport as character ambassadors.

          • RetroRob says:

            Spot on.

            Hey, I loved people like John McEnroe (and, btw, I don’t believe he’s a narcissist, although Rose, Reggie, and Namath totally are), but as a NYer and a Baby Boomer who grew up watching the Reggie’s of the world (who remains one of my favorite Yankees), you pretty much have to be brain dead to also not appreciate Derek Jeter and how he handles these situations. A-Rod is Reggie in his ability to never quite understand his position in the world and to keep putting his foot in his mouth. Go love A-Rod if you like “colorful.” And Reggie totally would have taken steroids…and hit 60 HRs one year in the process!

    • sas says:

      You really are an idiot. Today, you say one thing out line and you get nailed. There would be 10,000 bloggers today questioning if McEnroe is insane and hurting tennis.

      Now go back to 1978 old man.

    • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

      I don’t care what he says, so long as he leaves the children alone.

  3. Chris H says:

    I would imagine he’d have a pretty decent idea of where he’s going by the end of the weekend. Obviously he’ll want to shop his biggest offer around one last time before agreeing but I’d lay money on a verbal deal being in place by Wednesday.

  4. 461deep says:

    Yankees oldest players are those they will depend on greatly including Derek, Tex, CC, Alfonso, Hiroki, Carlos and Brian R. Bonds was still good in 2006 but most think PED aided. Brian M, Brett & Jacoby must stay healthy since some older players will miss time. Ironically, their oldest Ichiro looks fragile but has actually been very durable his entire career.

  5. Farewell Mo says:

    Not very reassuring to here the Yankees are projected to have a historically bad infield with hardly any current options available to upgrade

  6. Kevin G. says:

    Call me naive, but I think Teixeira or (if he somehow stays healthy) maybe even Jeter can put up that 3.5 WAR by himself. That being said, whatever we get from 2B and 3B will be probably be such a gaping hole of suck that it may cancel it out

  7. Dalek Jeter says:

    So, looking ahead to next off season (cause I’m ridiculously bored and just got home from work)…my spoiled brat wishlist is:

    Lowrie to play 2nd
    Hanley Ramirez to play SS
    Headley to play 3B
    Sign/extend Gardner to play LF
    and 2 of Scherzer, Masterson, and Lester

    • Chris H says:

      I’d be shocked if Hanley, Scherzer, and to a lesser extent Lester hit free agency.

      Masterson I think is an awful fit for the Yankees, he’s solid but he has awful numbers against LHP still and his home/road splits are pretty huge. Put him in lefty friendly YS and I think you are begging for trouble and end up paying a 3/4 like a 1/2.

      If he made it to FA I’d worry about giving Hanley a big deal, the talent has always been there but the durability and defense worry me. I mean by all rights he should be playing third right now but can’t because he pouts and complains if he isn’t playing SS. Unbelievable talent but there a lot of question marks, maybe too many for what he’s going to get.

    • Mike says:

      I can see us signing all those players. We will have the cash to outbid any offers.

      • Chris H says:

        Any offer except the Dodgers… With their TV deal they could operate a team with a 300-350M dollar payroll and still net a pretty giant profit. Sure if Hal decided the luxury tax was no object we could compete with their offers, but they have a higher overall ability to spend by pocketing some 6B from that TV deal.

        • Cool Lester Smooth says:

          We have more money than the Dodgers do. They’ve just been more willing to spend it recently.

        • pft2 says:

          I doubt the Dodgers are getting much more than 150 million after RS in the early years of the deal, not much more than the Yankees get from YES. The avg is about 250 million but the numbers up in time, probably about 4% per yer and top out at 350 million. They sell a lot of tickets but their average ticket price is about 1/2 that the Yankees.

          They also have about 400 million in commitments to McCourt as part of the deal that cost them over 2 billion, while the Yankees are 400 million flush after the NewsCorp deal and a stadium financing deal that reduces their revenue sharing by about 20 million.

          Yankees are in much better financial shape than the Dodgers and should be able to outbid them. Its a question of will and not means.

        • Ed says:

          Big money TV deals are great, but owning the largest regional sports network is better.

    • Farewell Mo says:

      I’d say yes to Lowrie (if he shows he can stay healthy) and either Sandoval or Headley but Ramirez isn’t a SS anymore.

    • Oy says:

      Lowrie will play in less than 100 games next year
      Hanley will sign a 6 year, 135 million extension, with a vesting option for year 7.
      Headley will sign with Washington, 6 years, 120 mill.
      Gardner will sign with Houston, 5 years, 75 million.
      Dodgers will sign Scherzer to the initial CC contract, Blue Jays will nap Masterson and Red Sox will retain Lester.

      Instead, Hal and the Co. will focus on…

      Jeter on 1 year, 15 million to “play” SS
      Aramis Ramirez to play third on 2 years, 35 mill
      Torri Hunter on 2 years, 22 mill

      Not to mention, we’ll stick it to the Sox by stealing Ryan Dempster on a 3 year, 33 mill deal! Haha, suck it Boston!

      • W.B. Mason Williams says:

        You do know the Nats have a franchise 3B right?

        • Oy says:

          You do know that Zimmerman is gradually being transitioned to 1B next year and Nats will have a hole at 1B/3B when LaRoche is gone after 2014?

          • Cool Lester Smooth says:

            You know hat Anthony Rendon exists, right?

            • Oy says:

              Yes, and he is manning 2B. He put up negative UZR at 3B in 98 innings there in 2013, while putting up a positive UZR at 2B in 714.1 innings. I’d be willing to bet a hefty sum of money that Nats will sign/trade for a premium 3B next off season. A Zimmerman – Renden – Desmond – Headley/Sandoval/Ramirez infield would be by far the best in the game.

              • Ed says:

                With a sample size of 98 innings, UZR is about as accurate as rolling dice. With 714 innings, UZR still isn’t something you should put a lot of stock into.

              • Cool Lester Smooth says:

                Yeah, 98 innings of UZR means literally nothing, and 714 innings doesn’t mean much more.

                You also have to remember that Rendon has serious ankle issues. He is absolutely not physically capable of playing 2B in the long run.

      • RetroRob says:

        Scherzer is getting more than CC. The market has changed dramatically.

    • fuster says:

      Tulowitzki at SS

    • Chip Rodriguez says:

      I want Scherzer and Masterson of those 3 pitchers.

      And I want D-Rob signed/extended for another 4 or 5 years, or whatever it’ll take to keep him in pinstripes for a good while

  8. Cool Lester Smooth says:

    Cameron wrote a piece similar to Brisbee’s about the Ellsbury signing.

    It was basically: Yeah, you might wince at the years and dollars, but the Yankees don’t operate in the same market as the other non-Dodgers teams.

    • TWTR says:

      Which is a good thing because of their inability to grow their own. So just keep spending and spending until they are a championship team again.

  9. Chelo says:

    I think most of us are forgetting that the yankees dont need a TV Deal lol, They own their own network.

    • pft2 says:

      They own about 32% now, a number that will go down to about 24% after extending their deal with Yes as part of the News Corp deal and put 420 million in their pockets at the end of 2012

      • RetroRob says:

        And that 420 million is a drop in the bucket. They also claim to be only making 90 million a year off of YES. That’s the “for show” money. That was a vaguely realistic number a couple years back so they could submit it to MLB without being heavily questioned. It was b.s., though, since the Rangers were already making more than that, as were the Angels. Based on viewers and 2011 rates (and they’ve gone up since), the Yankees should be making nearly $400 million a year from YES, yet they’re only reporting $90.

        Not hard to figure out what’s going on. The bulk of it is shielded from revenue sharing and goes straight to YES Global where MLB not only can’t touch it, they can’t even see it. Bud Selig doesn’t even know what the Yankees are making, but it is a lot. More than any other team in MLB, including the Dodgers who are going to make nearly $350M a year.

  10. W.B. Mason Williams says:

    Just saw a post on MLBTR about Carlos Santana manning 3B for the Tribe and Yan Gomes taking over starting duties behind the plate.

    This supposedly makes Lonnie Chisenhall available, and probably cheap too given his stock at this point.

    Nik Turley and a couple C prospect throw-ins get this done?

  11. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    Just read the MLBTR update on the Cubs making a “real offer” to Tanaka. Sure beats making a “fake offer.”

    Now, they may wind up with him, but some of these Cubs leaks sound so much like trying to drum up fan excitement (“Rick Renteria ordered Rosetta Stone!” LOLZ) for a franchise on its umpteenth reboot effort. They seem to be the team least capable of keeping their mouth shut here.

  12. Chris says:

    What about Matt Dominquez for 3rd?

  13. Anthony says:

    And here’s all the Tanaka/Cubs rumors for today. Doesn’t sound good:

    CSNMooney: Crane: “We are busy. I’m not going to comment on Tanaka or anyone else. That’s really Theo’s area. But we have resources.”

    MLBBruceLevine: Japanese source said Tanaka loves a challenge and wants to be the man. All that is waiting for him at Clark and Addison.

    MLBBruceLevine: MLB source believes Cubs are lead team for Tanaka .

    BleacherNation: Bohringer says Cubs have scouted Tanaka for years. They cover every league, every corner of the globe. #CubsCon

    • Vinny Bag-a-donuts says:

      I have been following all day, I have a bad feeling that we are going to get some bad news in the next 24 hours. Hope I’m wrong.

      • Anthony says:

        Certainly sounds that way.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

        Things it’s easy to do for $400 alex.

      • Havok9120 says:

        I’m curious: were you also super-optimistic about signing him when all the reports had him going to the Yankees?

        • forensic says:

          He still has a bad feeling that Sabathia is going to sign in California too…

          • Vinny Bag-a-donuts says:

            Easy there guys, all I was commenting on is that there are multiple reports of Cubs gaining traction and no reports of other traction with other teams.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Well, no, I’m just asking you. Anthony has been relentlessly pessimistic about Tanaka. I’m asking whether you feel the Yanks are in the race or not.

              • Vinny Bag-a-donuts says:

                Fair enough, comment was meant more for forensic. I was up and down, but always thought the Yankees were favorites since they had the most money and the biggest need. After the Dodgers extended Kershaw, felt even better. Again, hope the rumors about the Cubs are just that, but it makes sense for them also. Big market, should contend in a couple years when Tanaka hits his prime with young talent around him to peak at the same time.

        • Anthony says:

          Personally, I was never really optimistic. I always felt the new posting rules put the Yankees at a disadvantage and there would be a team like the Cubs or Mariners that would make an insane offer for him.

    • Havok9120 says:

      You’re reaching now.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

      If the cubs don’t sign Tanaka, you can just leave RAB for good.

      That’ll make everyone happier than these dumb updates.

      • Anthony says:

        Look, everyone on this website wants the Yankees to sign Masahiro Tanaka.

        I understand these rumors suck to here…but it’s all we got. It’s not like these rumors are coming from one Cubs reporter and we could easily brush it off as mere speculation. They’re coming from multiple Cubs reporters: Levine, Whittenmeyer, DiCaro, Kaplan, Mooney.

        It’s likely one reporter could be getting bad informaton…but five?

        I hope the Yankees make a killer offer and sign Tanaka but it just doesn’t seem that way at the moment.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

          My point remains.

        • Havok9120 says:

          You’re believing the rumors you want to believe and disregarding others. You don’t believe the Yanks will sign him. You never believed the Yanks would sign him. There’s not much more to be said.

          • Anthony says:

            And exactly what rumors am I disregarding? There hasn’t been one rumor regarding the Yankees true intentions regarding Tanaka. That could be good or it could be bad, but I certainly haven’t disregarded any rumor he’s coming to NY because there hasn’t been such a rumor to disregard.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

              You’re ignoring the fact that the negotiations have been just about as quiet as any have ever been before, intentionally so.

              Have you heard rumors from any other teams? No. Because the cubs have been the only one to leak anything.

              Shock.

              • Anthony says:

                We’ve heard a bunch of rumors regarding to the Dodgers pursuit of Tanaka and a few from the Angels side. Cubs certainly haven’t been alone although they take the lead as the team with the most rumors surrounding them

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                  Every single rumor has had the Yankees and Dodgers included.

                  You’re too far gone. Whatever. Enjoy your depressing night.

                  • Anthony says:

                    “‘I’ve gone too far” in doing what? By posting all the rumors that I’ve seen?

                    Once again, we haven’t heard ANY rumor re: the Yankees true intentions with Tanaka. For example:

                    We haven’t heard Yankees won’t be outbid for Tanaka like we have with the Dodgers and Cubs.

                    And we haven’t heard Yankees won’t cross a certain line to get Tanaka, which is a good thing.

                    All we know is that the Yankees are interested but we haven’t been clued in on the level of their interest like we have been with the Cubs. Hell, even the Dodgers front office is openly stating they’ve been talking to him and no deal precludes another.

                    I’m not dismissing the possibility of Tanaka being a Yankee. I’m merely stating that based on the volume of rumors we’ve heard about Tanaka going to the Cubs, it doesn’t sound good.

                    • Alkaline says:

                      I’ll bite.

                      “‘I’ve gone too far” in doing what? By posting all the rumors that I’ve seen?

                      I haven’t seen you post and rumors that consistently state the Yanks are one of the major players.

                      Once again, we haven’t heard ANY rumor re: the Yankees true intentions with Tanaka. For example:
                      We haven’t heard Yankees won’t be outbid for Tanaka like we have with the Dodgers and Cubs.

                      Except for Cash saying we’re ready to Rock and Roll. And the fact the Yanks do their best to not play their hand through the media (i.e. Ellsbury).

                      And we haven’t heard Yankees won’t cross a certain line to get Tanaka, which is a good thing.
                      All we know is that the Yankees are interested but we haven’t been clued in on the level of their interest like we have been with the Cubs.

                      Cashman’s comment about ready to rock and roll. Hal or Hank saying they want to sign another pitcher. Other reporters commenting how the Yanks have the greatest need for Tanaka is not lost on management, for sure.

                      Hell, even the Dodgers front office is openly stating they’ve been talking to him and no deal precludes another.
                      I’m not dismissing the possibility of Tanaka being a Yankee. I’m merely stating that based on the volume of rumors we’ve heard about Tanaka going to the Cubs, it doesn’t sound good.

                      No, you’re picking and choosing the loudest rumors let loose by 1 team.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead says:

                  I’m off, so reply if you wish, but I’m done listening to your relentlessly negative propaganda.

                  • Farewell Mo says:


                    If the cubs don’t sign Tanaka, you can just leave RAB for good.
                    That’ll make everyone happier than these dumb updates.

                    Dude, last I checked the only person with the right to ask someone to leave the blog was Mike.

                    If you don’t like his posts, ignore him.

                    Who do you think you are, Tilapia Steinbrenner?

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Yeeeeeeah. Because that’s totally what he was doing there. Not a general indication of dislike in a sarcastic manner.

                      Nice of you to name drop someone who wasn’t involved though.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                      That’s OK. I’d expect nothing less from the second dumbest commenter on here.

                    • Pat D says:

                      Hey, I worked damned hard for that title! See if I post around here anymore!

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                      I may have to adjust my rankings.

                • Havok9120 says:

                  If you are unwilling to admit that virtually every report has had the Yankees as one of the main contenders, often as the team to beat, then you’re just trolling.

                  • Alkaline says:

                    They see him trollin’. They hatin’.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      It was less me accusing him of actually being a troll and more just me saying that he’s arguing what he’s arguing and nothing will change his mind unless Tanaka actually signs with the Yankees.

                    • Anthony says:

                      I wouldn’t say nothing would change my mind, just that we haven’t gotten much besides “Yankees/Dodgers/Diamondbacks reportedly very interested as well.”

                  • Anthony says:

                    Again, I am not disputing that the Yankees haven’t been rumored to be one of the main contenders. That’s not what I’m saying at all.

                    I’m saying that we don’t know the Yankees true intentions regarding Tanaka. For all we know, they’re willing to give him a massive contract or they’re just doing this all for show, to tell their fans “hey, we tried but we couldn’t cross that line.”

                  • Alkaline says:

                    I know. I’m more or less just busting chops.

                • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                  I’d say about half the non-partisan guys on the net have said they think he’s going to the Yanks. You’re choosing to hear the news you want to hear.

                  We don’t know where he’s going. Even if he winds up signing somewhere he was rumored to be going to, it still doesn’t mean you knew more at 7:43 PM on Saturday night.

                  • Anthony says:

                    Well I hope these rumors are wrong and the Yankees end up signing him because they badly, badly need him if they want to contend in 2014.

                    • Alkaline says:

                      That we could agree on. I think it’ll be tough if we don’t sign him, for sure.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                      It’ll be tough. I’ll still be here, and I’ll still believe. I’m sure you’ll do the same too. :)

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          So, because it’s a lot Cubs reporters, that changes things?

          They may wind up with him, but this don’t mean shit right now.

    • forensic says:

      He may end up anywhere, though Casey Close probably isn’t thrilled that he apparently told everyone he wants a quiet negotiation period and yet all the talk/leaks/sources all seem to be coming from one team.

      And none of that news is really anything that would be different from the Yankees. It all could apply to them too.

      And what the hell is CubsCon? Is that like Comic Con? Probably has just as much fantasy and delusional fans at least…

      • Anthony says:

        Latest rumor:

        Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.

        The Diamondbacks have made no secret of their pursuit of Tanaka this winter, and according to Nikkan, they’ve offered him a deal for six years and $120MM. “Like other teams, we’re very interested,” CEO Derrick Hall was quoted as saying at a recent meeting of MLB owners. “We want to win this competition.” Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick reportedly met with Tanaka directly during his recent tour of clubs in the U.S.

        The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan, while comments by Angels owner Arte Moreno suggest that the team would have trouble fitting Tanaka into its budget. Overall, we appear to be nearing the stage in negotiations where the only step remaining is Tanaka’s actual decision.

  14. vicki says:

    for real, though; in case i don’t hate the M’s enough already, by all means put tony larussa in charge.

  15. OldYanksFan says:

    “NEW YORK (AP) — New baseball union head Tony Clark says players won’t agree to terminating contracts as part of discipline for drug violations.

    I’d venture to guess that even though there are concerns on a number of levels, that we will never end up in a world where player contracts are voided as a result,” Clark said Wednesday during an interview with The Associated Press at the union’s office.”

    Now I don’t think steroids are evil.
    And I am not a big disciplinarian.
    But if MLB wants PEDs gone, and the majority of the players want PEDs gone, they why is the MLBPA so afraid to come up with real punishments.

  16. mustang says:

    Read the back and forth on Tanaka I must thank you for the entertainment too funny.

    Seriously I agree with forensic, but I also think that Tanaka’s camp is trying to get the price up. The Yankees and Dodgers have been the only constant rumor throughout these negotiations both big spenders, in big entertainment markets (for Tanaka’s wife) and both are better playoff contenders then the Cubs. Boston was in then out or maybe still in. The Angels were in as the final 3 now they seem to be out. Now Cubs have come in with a few days left. To me this sound like an agent trying to drum up competition I still think he will be a Yankee I guess we will know soon enough.

    • mustang says:

      “Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.”

      “The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan,”

      Surprise, Surprise another leak……lol.

      Like I said looks like Close is trying to get the Dodgers and Yanks to get closer to whatever over top offer the Cubs made.

  17. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    Nikkan is reporting the Yanks are one of several teams who have made offers. I can’t confirm or deny that the word “Yankees” was printed in invisible ink, just to fuck with Anthony a bit.

    • Anthony says:

      Here’s what the report states, according to MLBTR:

      Clubs angling to sign Masahiro Tanaka made formal offers by Jan. 16, Nikkan Sports reports (Japanese link). The list of teams includes the Yankees, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, White Sox and Cubs, with nearly all clubs putting together offers worth more than $100MM over six years.

      The Diamondbacks have made no secret of their pursuit of Tanaka this winter, and according to Nikkan, they’ve offered him a deal for six years and $120MM. “Like other teams, we’re very interested,” CEO Derrick Hall was quoted as saying at a recent meeting of MLB owners. “We want to win this competition.” Diamondbacks owner Ken Kendrick reportedly met with Tanaka directly during his recent tour of clubs in the U.S.

      The Dodgers and Yankees are believed to have made equivalent offers, according to Nikkan, while comments by Angels owner Arte Moreno suggest that the team would have trouble fitting Tanaka into its budget. Overall, we appear to be nearing the stage in negotiations where the only step remaining is Tanaka’s actual decision.

      • mustang says:

        Like I said looks like Close is trying to get the Dodgers and Yanks to get closer to whatever over top offer the Cubs made.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          I’ve pulled out my checkbook already.

        • Anthony says:

          Could be considering the article doesn’t even mention what the Cubs bid.

        • mustang says:

          I say Diamondbacks and Cubs are at 6 for 120 that’s 20mm a year while the Dodgers and Yankees are at 6 for 100 that’s 16 mm a year. It’s either the Yankees or Dodgers.

          • mustang says:

            The Yankees will hit 6 for 120 the Dodgers will find that too costly after Kershaw.

            The Yankees win, THEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!!!

            :)

          • Anthony says:

            TomLoxas: Heard #Cubs offer for Tanaka in 160 mil neighborhood plus posting fee.

            • mustang says:

              180!!!! Total cost!!!

              GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SHIT!!!!!!

              That’s 26mm that’s this neighborhood Cole Hamels ($144M in new money), Justin Verlander ($140MM), and Felix Hernandez ($135.5MM).

              OK BYE
              BYE

              • mustang says:

                Zack Greinke
                $26,000,000

                Cliff Lee
                $25,000,000

                Cole Hamels
                $23,500,000

                C.C. Sabathia
                $23,000,000

                Felix Hernandez a
                $22,857,142

                Matt Cain
                $20,833,333

                Justin Verlander
                $20,000,000

                Just to give you idea even 20mm seems like bit much

                • CashmanNinja says:

                  I feel if the Yankees go up a little then Tanaka will want to come here because let’s face it…they’re still the Cubs.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                    I know that, if I wanted to be somewhere where I can easily manage my Japanese pop stardom, it’d be Chicago.

                    No, it wouldn’t.

                    Who knows if that’s even true. We shall see at the end.

                • Chip Rodriguez says:

                  And Tim Lincecum, who has been inconsistent as hell lately, got 35 million over 2 years. Pitching’s expensive.

            • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

              We’ll see if it that’s true, and if it matters.

            • Bo Knows says:

              No way golden boy Epstein would throw that kind of cash. That’s literally franchise ruining for everyone save for the Yankees and Dodgers.

  18. Jimmy Page says:

    the Yankees need to match the $160M offer. they need this guy otherwise they will miss the playoffs again

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      So let’s pay a guy more than Grienke, Lee, and Hamels are making over godknowshowmanyyears so that we can feel safe and sound in 2014.

      • mustang says:

        Why did you even bite dude?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          Good point.

          • Anthony says:

            Apart of me feels the Yankees should take the gamble and do whatever it takes to sign him…but, as noted before, that’s a ton of bread for a guy who has never thrown a pitch in the MLB.

            • mustang says:

              Average annual value
              The highest-paid players in baseball history, by average annual value:
              1. Clayton Kershaw, $30,714,286 (2014-20)
              2. Roger Clemens, $28,000,022 (2007)
              3. Alex Rodriguez, $27,500,000 (2008-17)
              4. Justin Verlander, $25,714,286 (2013-19)
              5. Alex Rodriguez, $25,200,000 (2001-10)
              6. Ryan Howard, $25,000,000 (2012-16)
              . . Josh Hamilton, $25,000,000 (2013-17)
              . . Felix Hernandez, $25,000,000 (2013-19)
              9. Zack Greinke, $24,500,000 (2013-18)
              10. CC Sabathia, $24,400,000 (2012-16)

              He would have the 4th highest average annual value in the HISTORY OF THE GAME!!!

              Just a little stupid.

  19. Oy says:

    Was going to bitch about how I’m sick of “Yankees MUST sign Tanaka!” and “Yankees won’t make the play offs if they don’t sign Tanaka!” posts…

    Fuck it. Give him 7/155 with an opt out after year 3. Make the team entertaining. Give fans a reason to be excited for the season. Yankees will be paying for his premium years, unlike the usual FA pitchers who are usually on a decline when they hit the free agency. I don’t want Santana/Garza ever wearing pinstripes. Get him in the Bronx!

  20. Bo Knows says:

    Surprise (not really) the report about the cubs offer is most likely a load of crap

    “Beware reports suggesting Cubs have high offer on table for Tanaka or that he’s favoring Cubs. Multiple sources say Cubs remain long shots.”

    — Gordon Wittenmyer (@GDubCub) January 19, 2014 (Chicago Suns Times beat writer)

  21. OldYanksFan says:

    Should the Yankees try to extend David Robertson now?
    http://www.pinstripealley.com/.....-extension

    64% Offer an extension now (106 votes)
    32% Offer an extension mid-season (53 votes)
    3% Let him hit the open market (5 votes)
    1% Look for a trade (2 votes)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      You can offer him an extension now, but I can’t see why he would take it. He’s likely to get paid as a closer after this season, whether here or somewhere else, and I’m sure he knows that.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        That’s what I said a couple days ago when somebody brought it up. There is no good reason for him to consider signing an extension now.

        • forensic says:

          Well, there are good reasons for him to take an extension now. But, I do agree that the reasons not to accept one outweigh the reasons to accept one.

        • Richard Sherman says:

          BECAUSE I TOLD HIM TO!!! I’M THE BEST CORNER IN THE NFL! I DON’T NEED NO CRABTREE TELLING ME OR DAVID ROBERTSON WHAT TO DO!

        • RetroRob says:

          I agree, although I also agree with what forensic said. He’s a pitcher, and there is always a risk of injury more so than with a position player. He’s also a reliever and about to take over the closer position for the first time (most likely). In other words, there are enough questions that a decent offer from the Yankees should be considered, especially considering how the market values relievers right now (much less than previously).

          Of course, the Yankees know this too, and they may be more than happy to wait.

      • Smack Down says:

        I wish Richard Sherman would come on here and verbally smack that shit out of you. He would be perfect!!

        • Richard Sherman says:

          I ALREADY SHOWED UP! YOU JUST LIKE CRABTREE. YOU CAN’T READ. QUIT TALKIN ABOUT ME OR TILAPIA. WE COUNT OUR MONEY. YOU JUST SIT AND COUNT YOUR BALLS!

  22. Alkaline says:

    So close to getting rid of this cabin fever. Few more weeks, boys and girls.

  23. Anthony says:

    Via Jesse Rogers of ESPNChicago.com:

    Going into the weekend one major league source told ESPNChicago.com that the Cubs were willing to go as high as $25 million per year for between 6-8 years. Another source indicated the years were right but the price was lower. Both agreed the Yankees would be the stiffest competition unless the Los Angeles Dodgers blew everyone away at the last minute.

  24. Eselquetodolosabe says:

    Man, this Tanaka situation seems frenzied and bordering on preposterous. No ML, nor MiLB experience at a cost of approximately 180mm ? I don’t know, maybe fortuitous if NY “loses” out ! Jeez, I’m getting that Cano – who gives a sh – - if he signs elsewhere, not worth it !

    • Anthony says:

      I think, for the Yankees, he’s worth the risk. They’re the richest franchise in the MLB, they can afford to take this risk on a 25-year old pitcher who has tremendously promising stuff.

      • D23 says:

        The guy has yet to pitch in MLB and faced premier hitters. Additionally, the ball is slightly bigger here in MLB as opposed to what he used in Japan. While he has apparently good stuff as Darvis, some say not better, $25M is quite steep IMO especially for the richest franchise in baseball. Yes Yanks need him but I don’t think he is necessarily going to go to the highest bidder. He wants to pitch in a city with high Japanese community. He wants to pitch for prima donna team. To me, its down to Dodgers and Yankees. If Cubs offer him $25M so be it, but I think he’ll take less to play in LA or NY. No source, no fact, just my opinion.

  25. Mick taylor says:

    Richard Sherman did peds got his suspension overturned on technicality. But none of righteous sports Igbo IRS like liberalmike and drunk bill madden care to att ack him let alone crucify him as they did arod

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