King: Johan Santana barely cracks 80 mph during workout with Yankees


Via George King: The Yankees were one of seven teams in attendance for Johan Santana’s workout at a Florida high school earlier today. He topped out at 81 mph and sat mostly in the 77-78 mph range, though his changeup was said to be “impressive.” Scout Tim Naehring was at the workout for the team.

Santana, 35 next month, had surgery to repair a torn shoulder capsule last April, his second such procedure. He is still in rehab mode, so it’s no surprise his arm strength was less than stellar, but torn capsules are usually the kiss of death and Johan has now had two of them. There is no such thing as too much pitching depth but the Yankees do have plenty of fifth starter candidates at the moment. No reason to give Santana even a minor league deal until he shows more arm strength.

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  1. Blake says:

    Wonder if the Johan would be open to pitching out of the pen

  2. Eddard says:

    There’s Pineda, Phelps, Nuno, Warren. There’s no need for a washed up Santana. We already have enough ballplayers past their primes.

  3. OldYanksFan says:

    No surprise if he’s less than 1 year out from being cut.
    I’d like to know the speed of his change up.
    And does he have a 3rd pitch?
    Maybe a 2 year deal… super cheap.
    If he can get his FB up to 85, he might be effective?

    • botz says:

      Why would you give him two years? At best he should be looking for a minor league deal and at worse he should hang em up.

      • jjyank says:

        Yeah, really. The dude has had two major shoulder surgeries and is topping out at 81. How can anyone suggest a multi year deal? Whoever signs him is signing him to a minor league contract for one year. If anyone signs him.

        • OldYanksFan says:

          The multiyear deal is because… IF… he has anything left, we might not see it until late this year. IF… he recovers, might he be better next year than this year?

  4. Nuke Guy says:

    I was hoping they could get him on a MILB deal. I’ll pass now.

  5. Preston says:

    Sad, that guy was nasty once.

  6. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    Edwar Ramirez, Part Deux?

  7. gageagainstthemachine says:

    Sweaty Freddy 2.0?
    Check back in on him in 2015…

  8. TWTR says:

    I hope the no hitter was worth it to him.

  9. RetroRob says:

    If he can get his fastball up to 85/86, he can probably still be effective as a lefty with that change-up…whatever effective means. Longshot.

    • CashmanNinja says:

      85ish consistently. All of the reports of his showcase say that he was living in the high 70′s and finally managed to “crank it up” to 81 max. I realize he won’t be the pitcher he once was, but that’s like a Jamie Moyer fastball. Plus he didn’t even have the experience of throwing junk the way Moyer did for so long. So unless Johan can sit at 85 (and not just get there every once in a while while living at 80) then he’s not going to last in the league — even as a reliever. He’s a big name and it’d be a great comeback, but as of now which lefty would you have more faith in: Johan Santana or Vidal Nuno? I’ll take Nuno any day.

      • RetroRob says:

        Yup, that’s an easy choice. Nuno has way more value.

        He might want to give Frank Tanana a call for tips on how to go from fireballer to junkballer, and my guess is Tanana could still crank it up to 90 on ocassion to keep the hitters honest.

  10. Dalek Jeter says:

    Second LOOGY?

  11. Bo Knows says:

    Man had two slap tears and two surgeries; no chance in hell he’ll be able to much better than that, too extensive a surgery and far too much scar tissue constricting that shoulder. I wouldn’t waist the time on him playing baseball, if he wants to be a coach, sure bring him in and see if he can teach the kids a proper f’n changeup (especially considering that seems to be the pitch this team is completely incapable of teaching)

  12. Matt DiBari says:

    The changeup must have been about 60 mph

    • gageagainstthemachine says:

      I just assumed he was physically walking the change-up to the plate, which would’ve accounted for its great control.

  13. jjyank says:

    Eesh. I know he’s still in rehab mode, but toping out at 81? That’s brutal.

  14. mustang says:

    If he was willing to take minor league deal and come out of the pen I would do it. “impressive” change ups are hard to find from a lefty even better and this group “Pineda, Phelps, Nuno, Warren” doesn’t exactly exude confidence. Can never have too much pitching, but that said minor league only.

    • mahkk says:

      I’d take any one of those guys over Santana at this point. Unless he can literally put that changeup EXACTLY where he wants it every single time and he also has crazy movement AND he can throw some other junk, the guy is going to get slaughtered. Keep in mind topping out at 81 means he most likely can’t even get it above 80 consistently. There are probably commenters on this forum that can throw that hard for god’s sake.

  15. JRod says:

    The shoulder capsule surgery has a very small sample size among MLB pitchers, less than 10 cases from what I have read. So it’s a bit hasty to declare it the kiss of death. Found an excellent post on the subject from early last year, at a White Sox blog: http://www.southsidesox.com/20.....y-pitchers. Apparently the Chisox John Danks had the surgery and came back rather quickly, if ingloriously, to be a robust innings eater on a terrible team. Anyway I have to throw some respect to Santana for attempting a comeback when he could be shaking pina coladas on his yacht at 81 mph.

  16. B-42 says:

    What no-hitter?? That was a fair ball down the left field line!!

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