Feb
15

Marchand: Yankees remain uninterested in Stephen Drew

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Via Andrew Marchand: The Yankees continue to have no interest in Stephen Drew even though they now know Derek Jeter will retire following the season. For what it’s worth, Buster Olney (subs. req’d) says several teams are concerned about the infielder’s medicals, specifically regarding his right ankle. He suffered a severe break and torn ligaments when he caught spike sliding into home plate back in 2011.

I’ve said I believe Drew is a good fit for the Yankees more times than I care to count by now, though I think the team may be waiting to see what happens with Cuban shortstop Aledmys Diaz before pursuing Drew. Diaz, as I explained in yesterday’s mailbag, is eligible to sign next Wednesday and the Yankees have been scouting him since last summer. If they spend big bucks on an infielder, they might prefer to spend it on the 23-year-old Diaz rather than the 30-year-old Drew. I dunno, we’ll see.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • MPierce

    I’d still love for us to sign him, not because of this “he can play shortstop after Jeter retires” thing, but because I’d like to see us give Jeter the best shot at a championship we can before he retires. It was hard enough watching Mo miss the playoffs in his final year last year.

    • 42yankee

      Finally the Yanks are using their brains. Why would you sign Drew? He’s an average fielder and a below average batter. Ryan is a lot better with the glove and a little lower with the bat. Drew is stuck on himself and thinks he’s better than he is. That’s why nobody wants him. The Yanks have enough infielders, they need pitching, and a 1st baseman when TEX hurts himself again hitting off the TEE, that’s why they should have signed Reynolds. GO YANKS!!

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    THE CALAMITY OF IT ALL.

  • Mr. Roth

    Drew’s medicals must be pretty scary for him to go unsigned this long. I wonder if he regrets not accepting the qualifying offer yet.

    • nyyankfan_7

      Not only the medicals but the cost of a draft pick for a guy who quite frankly isn’t all that good. He had one really good offensive season and it was 5 years ago and he hasn’t played in 125 games in 3 years. He isn’t worth 13 million and losing a draft pick.

      • BC-203

        While the draft pick issue is a concern, we’d only be giving up a late 2nd round pick this year and with Drew continuing to insist on an opt out clause (or we could just give him a 1 yr deal), we would be able to get a 1st round pick next year by making a qualifying offer. Sure, there is potential he would accept, but he’s got to want a multi-year deal eventually — can’t keep taking 1 yr offers on the wrong side of 30.

        • Tanakapalooza floozy

          Unless he sucks and doesn’t opt out. But other than that, yeah, great plan!

        • ALZ

          After this do you really think he would turn down the QO, that will probably be $15M next winter.

      • Roy W.

        Plus his playoff and World Series stats are terrible.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Won’t be much of a concern when they aren’t playing in October…

          • Nostradamus

            +1. Why play the games?

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              Not saying they can’t make the playoffs.
              They just have a lot of gaps to fill to be likely to make the playoffs.

              And that statement wasn’t Yankee specific anyways.
              If decisions were for some reason to be made on the basis of 110 postseason PA’s, shouldn’t that only be a major concern for a team that’s already very likely to make the playoffs, and is more worried about October performance than getting to October?

      • lightSABR

        In his eight-year career in the MLB, Drew’s top four offensive seasons are as follows:

        2006: 114 wRC+
        2010: 113 wRC+
        2008: 109 wRC+
        2013: 109 wRC+

        The league-average offensive performance for a shortstop last year was 85 wRC+, and Drew’s 109 wRC+ was 7th best in MLB for shortstops with at least 400 PA.

        In other words, Drew has has four “really good offensive seasons.”

        • lightSABR

          That said, I’m getting to where I hope he signs with someone immediately just so that we can all stop talking about it.

          • mustang

            THIS!!!!

            • vin

              “Axisa: Yankees fans remain interested in Stephen Drew”

              • RetroRob

                Some.

          • It’s hard to tell how I feel about signing Stephen Drew

            3 Stupid mistakes in this order:
            1) Red Sox made a qualifying offer
            2) Drew Turns down $14.1 QO
            3) Red Sox have not yet resigned Drew

            The Red Sox still make the most sense. Middlebrooks really has had a tough time since his break out in 2012. Who knows where he goes this season, but it’s telling that Sox did have conversations about trading him. Bogearts seems like the real deal, but putting full faith in a 21 year old right out the gate is a tall order. Furthermore, they have absolutely zero outfield away from Victorino. When you really look at it, Victorino who is a year older, will still man RF. Who else? A couple platoon guys (Nava, Gomes) and Bradley, a young kid and prospect who suffered a horrific slump last year and might not be ready or might not perform? Seriously. So in its totality, Drew would be an experienced player to bring back and just hope he stays healthy. For the Sox he is a useful bench player. For the Yanks, not so much.

            • It’s hard to tell how I feel about signing Stephen Drew

              ..and I don’t mean Drew would play OF for Sox. I’m just making the point that they could use another experienced guy on that roster in general and they could use someone either in the OF or someone for the left side of the outfield. Turns out, Stephen Drew is available to fill one of those spots.

            • RetroRob

              How is the Red Sox making a QO a mistake? They knew he was a Boras client and would file, and they know he will eventually sign with a team, so they will get their draft pick. There is no loss to him under this scenario, just a win. Second, they have actually indicated they would take him back, so if they do, it will be at their price. The very worst that would have happened it he would have accepted the QO, and since they wanted him back, there was no loss. One can quibble with the price, but on a one year deal it is meaningless.

              I’m not the biggest supporter of Drew on the Yankees, more concerned about the number of years it might take. Yet, if the Yankees could get him right now on a one year deal for $14M, the should do it.

        • nyyankfan_7

          2006: He played 59 games.

          2008 & 2010 were good seasons.

          2013: He played in 124 games and only batted .260.

          1 of his “really good seasons” was actually a really good 1/4 of a season. And another was a good 3/4 of a season.

          And the one thing absolutely no one on this site ever considers is the fact that he has NEVER played a position other than SS – now I know this may come as a surprise to everyone but just because he plays SS doesn’t mean he can play 3B or 2B. I know he can in MLB the Show 13 but that doesn’t man he can in real life. Yeah I know, it’s mind blowing. Like it or not Derek Jeter is the SS unless he is hurt. It’s his last year so he isn’t going to DH a ton unless his body forces him to. You can’t go sign Stephen Drew to play 3B or 2B and expect him to be anything short of horrible by Opening Day. It’s like saying well Mark Texiera fields ground balls at 1B so he can field ground balls at 3B so let’s put him there and sign Morales.

          • vin

            I don’t disagree with your point about him moving to a new position. However, he is an above average defender at SS. Him moving down the defensive spectrum, is much different than Teixeira moving (back) up to a more difficult position.

        • RetroRob

          Yup, I think people are totally discounting his ability to be an above average hitter when healthy. And a SS who hits league-average is quite valuable if he also is a decent fielder. There remains questions about that with Drew. My guess is the defensive metrics overrate him, yet he’s probably at worst a league average defender. A league average hitter with a league average glove, equals an above average SS.

          Yet for his entire career he has a wRC+ of 96, and his rebound last year was totally driven by Fenway Park. That might just be randomness at play, but there are questions about him, which is why the Yankees should be concerned about length of contract. A one year deal? I wouldn’t be too concerned about what they’re paying him.

      • pft2

        Its a 2nd round pick and who said anything about 13 million. He probably can be had for 3/30 with a 1 yr optout. Even without the optout he is a tradable commodity should they decide to upgrade at SS. With Jeter not feeling well enough to play after this year do you really want to see no hit Ryan getting many AB in Jeters frequent offdays and perhaps a DL trip or two?

        He was the 8th best SS in baseball last year per WAR and Batting Runs. He had 1 serious injury that cost him parts of 2 years. Every other year he has had at least 500 PA. Does not hit LHP well but at 3B he can be platooned. SP’ers only go 6 IP nowadays so he still gets a couple of AB against RHP’ers most days they start.

  • Grit for Brains

    If he can’t play second and third at the same time I do not want.

    /enough with the anti-Drew sentiment already, the team has the highest revenue in the game and doesn’t look like a playoff team – upgrade in whatever way(s) you can

    • Ahk

      Just because you have money doesn’t mean you need to spend it. Drew does not upgrade them enough for that price, because quite frankly, he’s just not that good. And before you get mad at me, get mad at Hal and Levine and Cash, because apparently I’m not the only one who feels this way…

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        There’s a huge difference in revenues between being a playoff team and not being a playoff team.
        The Yankees as currently constructed are not likely a playoff team (not that Drew by himself would make them a likely playoff team, but he does at least slightly close the gap).

        As for Hal, Levine, and Cash, not spending doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t see the value. It could just mean they don’t want to spend anymore.

        And you can make the argument that virtually every free agent the Yankees have already signed this year doesn’t come close to upgrading them enough to be worth the price they paid.

        • ALZ

          How are they not a playoff team?

          They are certainly contenders, and would put them on par with the Rays and the Sox.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            They are contenders.
            But I’d say realistically, they are most likely an 84-89 win team, which will most likely be short of a playoff spot.
            I’d put both the Rays and Sox slightly ahead of that.
            I think the Yankees would need almost everything to come up essentially best realistic case scenario to exceed 90 wins.

  • Cheval Anonyme

    Seriously, playing a league average hitter out of position at 3B for one year would not be a major improvement over what we have. It would be one thing if Drew were going to play SS this year, but that’s not in the cards unless Jeter gets hurt– in which case it would hardly be Jeter’s championship.

    • lightSABR

      That depends entirely on what you think we have. If you think Roberts and Jeter can both turn back the clock and play full seasons of above-average ball, then your conclusion is correct: Drew wouldn’t be that big of an improvement.

      Also, if you think Roberts is going to spend half the season injured, but you still think Jeter will be solid and you think Scott Sizemore will be solid at 3B while Roberts is injured and Johnson is covering 2B, then your conclusion is correct: Drew wouldn’t be that big of an improvement.

      But if you suspect, like I do, that Jeter won’t be very good or will spend significant time injured, then Drew would be a big improvement. Or if you think Roberts is going to spend half the season injured and Sizemore/Anna/Nunez are going to be replacement-level replacements, then Drew would be a big improvement.

      In other words, the only way Drew isn’t needed is if both Jeter and at least one of Roberts/Sizemore/Anna/Nunez are solid. That’s not a bet I like making.

      • Mr. Roth

        If we’re going to assume Roberts and Jeter are going to spend a significant portion of the year injured or not very good, then shouldn’t we assume that Drew will spend a large portion of the year injured and not very good as well?

        Drew has never been the poster boy for health, durability, or consistency. Why would we give him the benefit of the doubt, but not Jeter or Roberts?

        • It’s hard to tell how I feel about signing Stephen Drew

          Because, some fans just want to keep signing players for the sake of it despite all logic.

          • Ahk

            +100

        • nyyankfan_7

          No you can’t assume that. You have to assume that Jeter is hurt, Roberts is hurt and Stephen Drew is a white Barry Bonds with a smaller head, better infield defense and the ability to be a utility defender of Ben Zobrist. This way it makes since to sign him and you can argue till you’re blue in the face that he is the next Yankee captain and Brian Cashman is a moron for not seeing this.

        • mustang

          “Drew has never been the poster boy for health, durability, or consistency. Why would we give him the benefit of the doubt, but not Jeter or Roberts?”

          Because that would actually be logical.

        • lightSABR

          I’m not assuming Drew will play 160 games, and I don’t have to for my argument to make sense. Having three potentially above-average players who are likely to spend time on the DL is preferable to having two potentially above-average players who are likely to spend time on the DL and a bunch of scrubs (who, of course, might also get hurt).

          That said, I think there are reasons to expect Drew to be somewhat more durable than Jeter or Roberts:

          1) He may not be a spring chicken, but there’s a big difference between 30 years old (Drew) and 36 (Roberts) or 40 (Jeter).

          2) He may have spent a lot of time on the DL in the last few years, but Roberts has spent more, and he sure played a lot more games last year than Jeter.

          And, of course, based on his age and last season, it’s also likely that he’ll outhit Jeter and Roberts next season, too.

          • Mr. Roth

            “Having three potentially above-average players who are likely to spend time on the DL is preferable to having two potentially above-average players who are likely to spend time on the DL”

            I can’t really argue with this as long as the contract is reasonable.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Drew (30) last 4 years: 440 games, 102 wRC+, 9.5 fWAR
          Roberts (36) last 4 years: 192 games, 81 wRC+, 1.0 fWAR
          Jeter (39) last 4 years: 464 games, 103 wRC+, 7.0 fWAR

          Sure, Drew carries injury and performance risk, but I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to expect significantly more from Drew than Roberts, or even to expect Drew to possibly outperform Jeter.

          • Mr. Roth

            Drew’s stats don’t look nearly as good if you only use the past 3 years of data…

            Adding that 4th year really makes his outlook much brighter.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              Fine.
              Last 3 years:
              Drew – 289 games, 96 wRC+, 4.8 fWAR, 4.6 bWAR
              Jeter – 307 games, 108 wRC+, 4.4 fWAR, 2.4 bWAR
              Roberts – 133 games, 70 wRC+, -0.2 fWAR, -0.3 bWAR

              and fwiw,
              Johnson – 407 games, 92 wRC+, 3.4 fWAR, 4.7 bWAR

              The point still stands.

              • Mr. Roth

                Don’t forget Brendan Ryan –

                368 games, 3.6 fWAR, 7.7 bWAR

          • Cheval Anonyme

            All those WAR by Drew become much tinier if he plays 3B.

    • It’s hard to tell how I feel about signing Stephen Drew

      This was the point I made in my previously overheated exchange about Drew the other day (or yesterday or whenever). You are entirely correct and I just wanted to hammer that point out, that at best, the Yanks would gain 1 win by signing Drew and a cost of an additional draft pick and likely $25mm-$35mm over 2-3 years, which as a result actually complicates things going into the off season if it turns out he actually can’t be that productive of a player. No, I think the Yanks make a play for a guy like Headly, throw dollars at him for 3rd and go after an international guy to fill the void at SS. Oh, and yeah, signing Drew kind of doesn’t make sense since WE HAVE THE FACE OF BASEBALL currently penciled into that spot for the coming season. Just a thought, but probably a good idea to see how that plays out prior to handing out more contracts for so/so players. We’ve got Ryan and Nunez as basic back-up and there will be many others to fill in as the season plays out.

      • pft2

        Baloney to 1 win. Drew was 2 wins bitter last year than Jeters projected 1.5 WAR, and 5 wins better than the Yankees at SS all of last year without Jeter. Nobody knows what you are going to get from Jeter this year, the fact he announced his retirement should give you a clue that he is not feeling great.

        By playing 3B against RHP’ers, Drew frees up Johnson to play 2B which is his strongest position and backup Tex (they have no other backup for Tex). Unless you want to see Nunez getting a lot of AB and opportunities to make errors, he with his -2 WAR career, the Yankees better sign Drew.

        Drews bat plays very well at Yankees stadium since his FB power is to RF

  • vin

    I’ve reverted back to 2003…

    Sign them both!

    The Yankees showed a complete dearth of talent last year – partly due to injuries, lack of player development, and questionable decision-making. They don’t really have the pieces to acquire talent via trade.

    As Mike mentioned in yesterday’s mailbag, Diaz would probably start his career in the minors.

    I see nothing wrong with going all-in on Jeter’s last year. Frankly, the team owes it to him and the fans.

  • Willie

    Im glad Hal got Tanaka but it does not seem like he wants to add additional payroll to keep improving the team.

    I think he should sign Diaz because he is younger and if the Cards are interested in him he must be the real deal.

    Diaz would help in the future and if he pans out then maybe Hal doesnt have to look for a new shortstop or second baseman bext year and he woulds actually save nmoney hope Hal thinks that way.

  • mustang

    “If they spend big bucks on an infielder, they might prefer to spend it on the 23-year-old Diaz rather than the 30-year-old Drew.”

    THIS!
    THIS!
    THIS!

    • Chip Rodriguez

      THIS AGAIN!

      Diaz might be worth big bucks over some years. He’s young, likely to improve with some time in the minors, and can be signed long term.

      Drew wants an opt out at the end of the year. So if he’s no better than Roberts or Nunez, the Yankees are stuck with him while a couple of good shortstops possibly become FAs next year. If he’s good, the Yankees only get him for one year and lose a draft pick.

  • mustang

    “I’ve said I believe Drew is a good fit for the Yankees more times than I care to count by now, ”

    You and about 1000 others commenter its like the snow this winter annoying and it just keeps on coming.

    • It’s hard to tell how I feel about signing Stephen Drew

      I chuckled about this yesterday. Reminds me a little of the catcher posts for the last 16 or so months prior to signing McCann. It was obvious we needed a fixture behind the plate, but after not signing Martin again, the narrative of the faults with the team began at catcher and it was a daily topic. Yet, there wasn’t really a suitable option available, not anything worthy of acquiring. No, they showed some restraint, waited for McCann and well, we don’t know yet, but on paper, it should work out well. I suggest we do the same with Drew and pass and wait for an actual 4-5 win type player.

      • mustang

        The difference between Martin and Drew is the commit in money and years. I think that most people here would sign Drew on team friendly terms.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Signing Drew (or Diaz or whoever) wouldn’t preclude the Yankees from signing other 4-5 win type IF’s (if any actually even become realistically available in the next couple of years).
        The Yankees have long-term openings at 2B, SS, and 3B.
        They aren’t very likely to find 4-5 win type players at all of those spots (if they can even do it at any of those spots).

  • jjyank

    Oh super, another Drew thread.

    • mustang

      LMAO!

      The funny part is that if he sign else where and does well we have another 10 ” I told you so threads”, but if he sucks we will never hear about it again and you will find very few to admit they were wrong.

      Unless of course he signs with the Yankees and sucks which i don’t care to see just to make a point.

  • The Other Matt

    I’m curious as to what happens with Almedys Diaz. What exactly might be his price range? That may give us some insight as to what his talent level is. If the Yanks do happen to sign him, do they stash in the minors (AA/AAA) for a year, and then bring him up to the big leagues next year? I saw in one of the reports that some scouts believe he might be better suited for second base, which isn’t exactly a problem, because the Yanks need to fill that spot long-term as well, moving forward. Although, Rob Refsnyder looks to be on the horizon at that spot.

    • mustang

      “According to the San Diego Union-Tribune (on Twitter), Diaz could command as much as $20-30MM as a free agent.”

      I’m thinking the Yankees probably want to spend what they would of given Omar Infante which was reported to be 24MM. Maybe closer to 20mm because of the tax and those numbers probably wouldn’t get them Drew if they did then they should sign him.

      • The Other Matt

        That sounds reasonable. I guess it would be around 4-5 years at the price, maybe 6. I’d hope he can play shortstop long term if he were to sign with the Yanks, because I really do like what Refsnyder has done so far down on the farm at 2B. And being that we haven’t really produced many homegrown players as of late, it would be nice to see him get an opportunity next spring if he can put together another good season this year.

  • Eselquetodolosabe

    Hate to say it, but…. I’m starting to agree with commenters who are bored of this sign/don’t sign Drew saga. For snorts and giggles, here’s my take;
    NY doesn’t see good value (money, draft pick)
    Believe that their consortium of infielders will suffice
    And most importantly….. A while back, this guy spat in NY’s face ! He didn’t want to be a Yankee before, made that abundantly clear, and so, NY will continue to oblige. F***’em !

    • jjyank

      Not that I’m on the Drew band wagon (I’m not), but not signing a guy because he turned down your offer is a pretty dumb reason to not sign him this year. Remember, he turned down the Yankee offer before Jeter got hurt, and he probably wanted to play SS.

      And while Jeter is still here, him being unsigned after the official start of spring training may have forced him to be more flexible with his position.

      Again, I’m not even advocating signing Drew. Just that I think the “he didn’t want to be a Yankee last year, so fuck him!” is a really silly reason to not sign him.

      • mustang

        Agree.

      • Eselquetodolosabe

        Valid…… To an extent. Somehow I remember a more, personal “rejection”. Quite honestly, almost a disdain for The Yankees, and “all” that it represents. A bit vindictive, contrived and totally unsubstantiated….. But maybe, juuust maybe….. And then there’s Bor-ass. He’s created some ill-will and animosity over the years. Is it smart to harbour ill will, and let it affect decision-making ? No, it isn’t. But yet, we are human. And if not…… F***’em !!!

        • jjyank

          The Yankees have no ill will with Boras. Or if they do, they set it aside when signing his players, like Ellsbury.

          I don’t recall anything personal about Drew’s rejection. I remember the Yankees offering more money than Boston, but Drew wanted guaranteed playing time at SS, and he valued that higher than the $2.5 mil dollar difference.

          If a player legit hates on the Yankees, then the fan(atic) inside me will probably agree with you. I just don’t remember it that way, and can’t seem to find a link to substantiate your view.

          • Eselquetodolosabe

            “Fan(atic)”, I see what you did there, me likey. Ok, well, they’re not signing him, for whatever reason. Maybe jus dinero, or…… NY say, “he hate me”, errr, us…them…..whatever, DEAN ANNA LIVES, FOOLS !

        • Farewell Mo

          Let’s not get crazy and invent shit now. Plenty of good arguments to make for not signing Drew without painting him as some sort of anti Yankee crusader

  • Now Batting

    Drew is clearly better than some infielders who will be on the 25-man but I don’t see him as a great fit with the current roster Kelly Johnson strikes me as a more productive 3b than Drew would be. Even if he’s not the difference looks negligible. Jeter and Roberts are obvious starters. One or both will probably spend time on the DL but how much are you really willing to spend on insurance? Signing a 30 year old established SS with the promise he can move to his natural position next year just strikes me as a pipe dream.

    Signing Drew means trying to fit too many square pegs into round holes for my tastes.

    • Ahk

      It’s simply the sign everyone mentality that a lot of fans have. He’s there, therefore we must sign him. Again, although he is better, I don’t think he’s that much better to make it worth paying him to join the team. We don’t even know if he WANTS to sign to play another position this year. My guess is he doesn’t, which is why he hasn’t signed with them.

      This whole comment from Marchand stinks of, “All has been quiet the last couple days, therefore we need to drum something up. Maybe if I keep saying this, Hal will read it and sign Drew”. Has anyone from the Yankees even said they were interested? It seems like this entire “debate” was contrived by sportwriters and fans with no basis in fact. This isn’t so much reporting news as various sportwriters looking to validate their opinions on what they think the Yankees should do.

  • Mike

    Jeter will be more productive than Drew this year.

    • mustang

      So Agree