Open Thread: 2/23 Camp Notes

Cashman: Yankees have not had extension talks with David Robertson
2014 Spring Training broadcast schedule
(Presswire)
Popeye forearms. (Presswire)

Just one more day of workouts left until the Yankees start playing real, live Spring Training games. Here’s the news from Tampa.

  • Chad Jennings has the day’s workout groups. Ivan Nova threw a bullpen session while Michael Pineda headlines the guys who threw live batting practice. John Ryan Murphy caught Pineda and said he was “jumpy” while facing hitters for the first time in camp. “I’ve seen him better than he was today,” he added.
  • Vidal Nuno (Tuesday vs. Florida State), Nova (Wednesday @ Pirates), David Phelps (Thursday vs. Pirates on YES) and Adam Warren (Friday @ Tigers) will start the team’s first four exhibition games. All are expected to throw about two innings. No word on when Masahiro Tanaka or any of the other guys will make their Grapefruit League debuts. [Jorge Castillo, Jennings]
  • Derek Jeter, meanwhile, will make his spring debut in Thursday’s game. He didn’t play in his first game until the middle of March last year. Jeter also said he expects to travel to Panama for the two exhibition games against the Marlins next month. [Mark Feinsand, Castillo]
  • Nik Turley, who was held out of workouts this weekend due to some tightness in his pitching arm, will be shut down for a full week “just to make sure (he’s alright),” said Joe Girardi. “All the tests came back fine.” [Jennings]
  • Following tomorrow’s workout, the Yankees will hold their annual team-bonding exercise. It’s expected to be a pool tournament. [George King]

This is your nightly open thread. The Nets are playing tonight and the Olympics closing cermonies are on as well. I’ll miss ‘em, I’ll admit it. Talk about anything and everything right here. Have at it.

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Cashman: Yankees have not had extension talks with David Robertson
2014 Spring Training broadcast schedule
  • Preston

    So this John Ryan thing is really sticking?

    • Winter

      I’d suspect so. If that’s what he wants to be called it’s what people should call him. See: Mike/Giancarlo Stanton.

      • Preston

        I guess I just assumed people would call him John now.

        • jjyank

          That’s what I assumed initially, but I was informed a few days ago on here that a lot of people in other parts of the country would consider John Ryan to be part of the same first name.

          I don’t know anybody like that, but I understand that some people would consider John Ryan to be one name, not a first and middle name separately.

    • vicki

      don’t all murphys get called murph anyway?

  • Tanuki Tanaka (Formerly Bob Buttons)

    Jeter to Panama? I smell an appearance from Rivera.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    “Following tomorrow’s workout, the Yankees will hold their annual team-bonding exercise. It’s expected to be a pool tournament.”

    In the ole days they would be bonding at a strip joynt. Damn you, commercial endorsements for steaming the personality out of sports.

    • vicki

      they still have their fun, no doubt. i hear goose throws the wild parties.

    • bpdelia

      I’ve been to a strip club three times. Twice with friends and once because a good friend of mine is a dancer.

      Not only was it not fun they were depressing and annoying.

      The girls basically think, rightly, that everyone in there is a turd.

      Many of the girls, urban myths about striping their way through Harvard aside, are desperate often addicted and always exploited.

      Strip joints are awful and that’s a ritual in totally fine is not glorified anymore.
      Not to mention I just don’t see the point. Prostitution I see the point.

      Strip clubs seem like a place that exists so that desperate man can publicly reinforce their heterosexuality. Creepy

      • jjyank

        I’ve never been to a strip club, but I see the logic here.

        I have, however, had private strippers twice (one girl once, and two girls the second time) for my fraternity. I don’t think that was demeaning really, since it was voluntary to accept that gig and we treated them well, but I get your point and respect it.

        • jjyank

          I’ll add in my defense that this was Vermont, and things like sexuality and being naked are much, much less of a big deal there.

          Hell, on the last day of classes each semester, the entire freaking school runs/rides bikes/skateboards/roller blades around campus naked.

          • vicki

            hippie strippers, yeah!

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I’ve gone back and forth on this. At the end of the day, I do think it’s even more demeaning to say that every person working as a stripper has no agency in the decision to become a stripper.

          I’ve been to them. Not many times. Whatever. I’m not here to judge anyone who has, hasn’t, likes it, or doesn’t.

      • forensic

        I’ve been to a strip club once in my life. It was during college and in central PA. I’m sure it’s not like this everywhere, but the ‘girls’ were all old and nasty. I don’t really understand the big draw of it either.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      Geez! What bad luck. I’ve been to a number of different strip clubs and the women were all friendly and very pretty.

  • jjyank

    Popeye forearms indeed. I’d pit Girardi against any other MLB manager in a cage fight. Dude’s in monster shape for a guy his age whose job does not even require him to stay in shape.

    • Betty Lizard

      Did you click through to the team photo session? There were head shots of Giardi–which is an unfortunate point of view for him as his neck looked as wide as some players’ torsos–

      No matter, as I am proud that our manager will hold his own in those bench-clearing brawls I profess to hate but actually love . . . .

      And it’s got to be easier to talk about discipline with players when you’re crossing your arms and they look like tree trunks . . .

      • jjyank

        Girardi: I’m sorry, Nunie, but you are going back to Scranton to start the season.

        Nunez: But coach, I did so well in spring training! I really thought I had this.

        Girardi: Wanna fight about it?

        Nunez: …no…no, that’s okay.

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      I think I would laugh until I threw up if Girardi got suspended for PEDs.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”
  • forensic

    Wow, guess I missed a very unexpected extension with Gardner today. Without going through 300 comments on it, contract doesn’t seem too bad. Maybe a touch longer than I would’ve liked, but can’t really complain much about it.

    I’m sure I’m not the only one wondering where the extra $100 million of value is in Ellsbury though…

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      300 comments, but I’d wager a third involved the same person trolling the forum under a different screenname, with a new “argument,” then leaving once discovered.

      I wish there was a way we all could figure out who it is a bit earlier before he thread-hijacks. He clearly gets a kick out of it.

      At this point, I may just not respond to witty, new screennames until I’ve seen them for a few days or know who they were previously.

      • jjyank

        I read through it too. Robi’s Revenge’s comments were abortion worthy.

      • vicki

        also of note was the guy who admitted he had only “glanced” at gardner’s stats, but nevertheless insisted he was a fourth outfielder.

    • Preston

      Over the last three years Ellsbury has played 366 games hit .303/.356/.469 with a UZR/150 of 13.5 in CF and 105 SBs with 22 CS, accumulating 16.3 WAR placing him right between Ryan Braun and Alex Gordon as the 5th most valuable OF during that span.
      Over the same period Brett has played in 320 games hitting .268/.346/.393 with a UZR/150 of .4 in CF and 75 SBs and 23 CS, accumulating 8.5 WAR placing him right between Andre Ethier and Cocoa Crisp as the 33rd most valuable OF in that span.
      Everybody wants to point to 2011 and say it was flukey, well in 2013 he wasn’t all that bad either hitting .298/.355/.429 with 52 SBs and only 4 CS, while playing his usually stellar defense in CF, his 5.8 WAR made him the 13th most valuable player in baseball, just a touch behind Robinson Cano. The difference in talent level between the two guys is pretty huge. Maybe it’s not quite 100 million, but chalk that up to the fact that Ellsbury was a FA and Gardner was still a year away.

      • forensic

        I never said he’s a bad player or that Gardner is as good as him. But there’s no way Ellsbury is worth $100 million more than him.

        I can’t wait until next offseason when suddenly using his last 4 seasons is the ‘in’ thing to do when skewing Ellsbury’s numbers though…

        • jjyank

          I agree with your first statement. I do think Ellsbury is better than Gardner, and even significantly so. But probably not $100 mil, no.

          Still though. I know this is a tired cliche, but it’s not my money. All I care about is that the Yankees do whatever reasonably possible to improve. Years concern me, since that involves a lesser version of that player still on the team, but not the actual money.

          That said, I’m pretty amped to watch Gardner and Ellsbury wreck havoc on the bases and catch every ball in the air all year.

          • forensic

            It’s not your money, but it is theirs and it could limit them in other moves they choose to make. That’s the problem with the money, on top of the years.

            • jjyank

              You’re right, I do know that there is, in fact, a budget. I do think that’s it’s a far lesser concern though, and I’d rather make the team better right now and worry about the budget in 5 years.

        • Preston

          This off-season teams are paying about 6.5 million per win. So let’s say 2013 was Ellsbury’s peak and he’s never that good again. Put him at 5 WAR next year with a .5 win decline every year. So thats 5, 4.5, 4, 3.5, 3, 2.5, 2 for a total of 24.5 WAR, that’s worth 159 million over that span. If you did the same calculation for Gardner. He was worth 3.2 WAR last year and his contract won’t start until 2015, but we’ll assume that he maintains that production until then and then has steady decline afterwards. 3.2, 2.7, 2.2, 1.7 for a total of 9.8 WAR, that puts his value at 63.7 million during those four years. The discount in this case is because he’s not a FA. Obviously this is overly simplistic. But the fact is Gardner’s deal is different because he’s a lesser player, his contract doesn’t begin until 2015 when he’ll be a year older, and he wasn’t a FA so he had less bargaining power.

          • forensic

            Last year was just his 2nd career season with a WAR over 3. So, yeah, by all means assume he’s going to beat/tie that for each of the next 5 years. At least he’s never had injuries, so at least he’ll certainly be out there everyday.

            • Preston

              Well that was fun. I get it, you don’t like the signing. I prefer the contract they gave him to the one the Mariner’s gave Cano. And I think it is better to pay a little more for the younger guy at an up the middle position then to pay it for Choo, who is probably going to need to be the DH for 3-4 seasons of his 7 year deal.

              • forensic

                I think all three contracts are terrible and I think all three teams will be regretting them by the end.

  • jjyank

    Okay, kind of a random question for you guys.

    So I have a grandmother who will be 93 in April. She’s still self sufficient and has all her wits about her. But she had hip surgery two years ago and is (obviously) getting up there in age. So, she’s making a move to an assisted living facility. The catch is, the facility is in North Carolina, not New Jersey where she has lived her whole life and my parents still live. The reasons being that the warmer weather will be better for her, and she will have a bigger support network. My aunt, uncle, and three adult cousins will all be within 15 miles of the facility. Whereas now, with me having moved down to DC and my brother in college, all she has is my mom and dad, who live 30+ miles away.

    Anyway, she’s a huge Yankee fan. At her age, she obviously watches a lot of TV at night, and during the season, almost all of that TV is Yankee games. Being in North Carolina now, I’m assuming she won’t get YES. I suggested to my dad that we could set her up with mlb.tv. What do you guys think the easiest way do to that is? Blu Ray player? Video game system? Cheap computer?

    Tech stuff is normally something I can answer, but I’ve never had a relative get that old and also need to provide tech stuff. I’m just curious if anyone has been in a similar position, so that I can recommend whatever system will be easiest for her. She loves the Yankees and watches almost every game. I would hate (and so would she) to see her spend the last years of her life being denied access to the games she wants to watch.

    My gut though is a Blu Ray player, though a cheap computer with a decent monitor may be just as good. Hell and previous gen video game system (360 or PS3) would be cheaper and provide the same service. Thoughts?

    • Farewell Mo

      Apple TV is pretty easy to use and not expensive.

      • jjyank

        I hadn’t really considered Apple TV, but I’ll look into it. Thanks.

        • Farewell Mo

          Costs like $100. Attaches to TV through HDMI cable and then just subscribe to MLB TV. Then she could watch it on her own TV.

          Also couldn’t she just get DirecTV and use your parents mailing address in NJ so she’d get local NY channels which she’d probably like plus YES for free?

          • jjyank

            I have no idea. I have only had Comcast and Fios before. Its something to look into though.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Apple TV has an excellent interface, and one I think would be much easier to use than an internet-enabled Blu-Ray Player. I own an Oppo Universal Player and, while it has all the bells and whistles, it’s so clunky that I do most of my streaming on the PC.

          I’ve never really seen a Roku in action, but that would be another possibility.

    • jjyank

      I should add that the rub here is that something will have to set this up for her and teach her how to use it. That will likely fall to my cousins down there. They’re tech savvy enough, but not exactly computer scientists, you know?

      • Farewell Mo

        They live in the south so that goes without saying.

        Just kidding.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      iPad or Kindle Fire?

      • jjyank

        I don’t think she’d go for a mobile device.

    • vicki

      if you want to keep it super simple for her, get her directv and the mlb extra innings package.

    • Betty Lizard

      Another vote for Apple TV. $100 to buy; MLB.tv is $129 for the season. 9.95 per month for Netflix. What else does a girl need?

      (FWIW, I’m now running my Apple TV, iPad, laptop, wireless printer and everything else off a little Verizon Jetpak (unlimited data plan thru my uni). No Time Warner!)

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        why Apple TV instead of a Roku?

        • Betty Lizard

          Well, for me I’m invested in the iOS interface and iCloud, so I love being able to Air Play from my iPad and also access all my iTunes content on my TV, which otherwise would never be turned on.

          • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

            you’re too young for me. half of those terms went over my head.

            I get cloud. And I realize people like to play music on the tee vee. but what does Air play from my tablet mean?

  • Farewell Mo

    I’m glad the Yanks kept Gardner though it does concern me somewhat signing 2 players who’s value is so highly wrapped up in their speed and defense through ages 35 and 37 in Gardner and Ellsbury.

  • SteveP

    Ok….Serious question for discussion.

    If in the next couple of weeks, the Yankees end up able to sign Ervin Santana for the Kyle Lohse deal (3/$33)…should the Yankees do it at that price?

    On one hand – he is not a fit for the stadium/would give up a billion HRs

    On the other hand – realistically he is better than Phelps/Warren/Etc and would allow depth and is not too much of a money issue to be a risk for a team like the Yankees…..

    I honestly haven’t seen the Yankees really connected to him recently…but more a though..how low would his price have to be before they would consider him…if ever?

    • forensic

      I wouldn’t want Santana for any contract.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I agree. In his career, mostly in pitchers parks, Santana’s been better than Phelps/Warren/etc however, if Pineda is 80% of he was he’s better than Santana and I think Phelps and Warren could produce what Santana would in YSIII.

    • jjyank

      Ew, no. Just..just no.

      Three years? Ugh. I hope the last thing you typed is accurate. Never.

      • SteveP

        Yeah I’m guessing the fear is the “Hughes at his worst” for Santana…unless the thinking is that he is going to be dreadful and below replacement level in Yankee stadium…I am firmly in the “meh” column myself as far as Santana goes but was thought exercising…

        I’m assuming 2/$20 might do it but then even with the draft pick I think some other teams would jump in…that price might even be too much if people think he’s that bad lol