Feb
08

Rubin: Drew wants multi-year deal with opt-out after first year

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Via Adam Rubin: Stephen Drew and agent Scott Boras are currently seeking a multi-year contract that includes an opt-out clause after the first season. The Mets are not willing to do a deal like that and it’s unclear if the Red Sox, his only other apparent suitor at this point, would be open to the opt-out.

The Yankees have not been pursuing Drew in recent weeks but their infield is a mess and he is by far the best available infielder. He’s a really good fit, especially since Boras has already said he’s open to playing positions other than shortstop. Since the Bombers would only have to give up their second rounder to sign Drew, they could conceivably wind up with a better draft pick next year if he has a strong Yankee Stadium-aided season and opts out. I dunno, this seems like one of those moves that won’t happen because it makes too much sense.

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  1. I'm a looser and a trader baby so why don't you kill me? says:

    This one year with opt out seems like an engraved invitation to the Yanks to sign him. He’s clearly hesitant about coming here due to position and playing time. This gives him a year to test the waters before committing for 3-4 years.

    • lightSABR says:

      Though of course it leaves the Yankees on the hook if he returns to his 2011-2012 levels of production.

      Still, you’re right. This means Drew could effectively be a one-year deal through which we substantially improve our infield for a season and trade our second-round 2014 pick for a sandwich-round 2015 pick. It makes way too much sense, so I suspect that if it were going to happen, we’d be hearing an announcement about the deal instead of rumors about Drew’s demands.

    • Fred says:

      I keep saying this…Sign Drew. Now is the time. Do it now.
      While youre at it sign Diaz. Flip a coin to see who starts at 3b and 2b. Use johnson for what he’s meant for- being a great utility guy..
      Save this infield now!

  2. Farewell Mo says:

    Sign me up for 80 games at SS, 60 games at 3B. The only risk would really be an injury.

  3. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    The gift that keeps on giving.

  4. jack says:

    Who is the second rounder we would lose? And do not say gosuke katoh or the answer is no!

    • Crono says:

      How this new stuff works, when a team offers a player a qualifying offer when they’re going to free agency, and they turn it down, then whatever team signs that player loses a draft pick. Since the Yankees have signed 3 players who came with losing a pick, they lost their 1st round pick, and then the other two picks that were lost were the ones they got for Cano’s and Granderson’s signing elsewhere. Therefore, at this point, signing another free agent with the qualifying offer turned down, the Yankees would forfeit their next highest pick, being their Second Round Pick. They wouldn’t be losing an actual player to sign Drew.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

      Learning little things about baseball on the net ain’t what it’s cracked up to be sometimes.

  5. dasani says:

    This is a no lose…c’mon Brian jump on it before someone else does/

  6. GoyaNksgO says:

    I think Boras is betting on the Yankees really needing a shortstop next season, and he wants to make sure his client is one of the best ones available.

    It seems like a foregone conclusion that the Yanks will pass on Drew only to watch the infield be injured and/or ineffective this season.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      “I think Boras is betting on the Yankees really needing a shortstop next season, and he wants to make sure his client is one of the best ones available.”

      That’s gonna be a tough sell, because next offseason Asdrubal Cabrera (age 29 season), Hanley Ramirez (age 31 season), and Jed Lowrie (age 31 season) are all going to be Free Agents AND younger than Drew.

      I’m not gonna lie, unless my crazy prediction that Sizemore will save the infield comes to fruition (it totally will, biggest surprise of the 2014 season, heard it here first) the Yankees infield is going to be really weak. So that makes believe that the Yankees will sign one of the guys I just mentioned and Chase Headley next off season. Either that, or they’ll sign Hanley to play 3rd and one of Cabrera or Lowrie to play short.

  7. brian says:

    Repeat what I said earlier..

    Certainly won’t complain if the Yankees sign Drew, but not clamoring for it.

    If the team didn’t have Brendan Ryan as Jeter insurance this is a different convo.. but they do

    • lightSABR says:

      Brendan Ryan, who hit .197/.255/.273 (44 wRC+) last year, good for a -0.6 fWAR even with his solid defense.

      I like the guy, and I’ll enjoy watching him make ridiculous plays, but I’m hoping his time in the lineup will be limited.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Still seemed like Ryan had a better approach offensively when he came to the Yanks(don’t care what final num’s said). And his defense was marvelous! I agree brian here. Also, i think if Nunez is mostly your 3rd basemen when he plays, he’ll give more offesnivley to make up for whatever you lose defensivley because hes not bad at 3rd, or at least not as bad as other positions. If we sign Drew fine, but i’m not clamoring for him either.

  8. brian says:

    And besides, if YOU were Drew and you were just the starting SS for a championship team and you still felt like you were in your prime would you sign up for being a utility player?

    I sure wouldn’t.

    • nyyankfan_7 says:

      Didn’t you know every single player in MLB wants to be a Yankee so bad they would sign a contract to play a different position and/or be a part-time player?

    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      He wouldn’t be a utility player, he’d be a starter, just a starter splitting time between positions.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Agreed, mostly. But I would look askance upon having so much competition signed ahead of me.

        It will be pretty easy for the Yanks to give time to someone else if they feel it is warranted, and not all teams are in such a position.

  9. Willie says:

    I rather have the Cuban Shortstop Diaz. Hopefully Hal is willing to increase the payroll abd outbid the Red Sox and Dodgers for him.

  10. Roy-Munson says:

    Uggghhhhh!

  11. dp says:

    Drew stinks…want nothing to do with him…

  12. JRod says:

    What Drew wants is basically irrelevant. Cashman has stated multiple times that the Yankees won’t sign him. Some may believe that this was gamesmanship to drive the price down. I see no reason not to take the statement at face value. They just don’t like him as a player, for whatever reason.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Or they don’t want to add any more significant payroll. (seems to be the case, regardless of Drew)
      Or they don’t want to upset Jeter and create a SS controversy.
      Or after being spurned by Drew last season, they feel Drew would just be using the Yankees for leverage with other teams.

    • Jonathan says:

      If they didn’t like him as a player they wouldn’t have offered him 8 figures last year with Jeter and ARod coming off injuries but expected to start. Considering the money crunch and the stupid move of letting Martin walk, they must have liked him quite a bit. I have zero clue why they haven’t already signed him and why they let all the bullpen options pass them by.

  13. Genghis McCann says:

    I go for Drew if the 1 year opt out can be controlled by either player or club.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      If it’s a mutual option? Heck yeah, sign me up…but what player would sign that contract? I mean, what happens if (*KNOCKS ON ALL THE WOOD*) the Yankees sign him and a week into spring training he destroys his knee sliding into second base? I’m saying PCL, ACL, MCL, LCL all torn. Obviously the Yankees are going to opt out at the end of the year and who is going to give a contract to a guy who needs a year of rehab before he can even start to be the player he was?

  14. leftylarry says:

    I think Yankees are down on Boras as much as Drew and well they should be, you can live without his franchise destroying contracts and players.
    Guys that go to him in the first place will never be a ‘good’ deal.

  15. Dalek Jeter says:

    Off Topic, and from the “News Nobody Should Care About” department, Maholm is apparently signing with the Dodgers.

    Somehow Cashman still failed.

  16. Now Batting says:

    How much is he willing to lower his salary demands for an opt-out? Not interested unless it’s significant.

  17. Vern Sneaker says:

    We need to go ahead. Tex and Jeter are a mystery and at best will probably give adequate but not first-rate performance, Roberts is only going to be a part-time player or worse, if he gets injured, and we have no real third baseman. Start Drew at third (and he’s Jeter’s back-up), with Johnson for the bench (which is very weak now) and as more back-up. The cost is reasonable. I can’t see why we wouldn’t do this, it’s an upgrade and good insurance no matter what the overall opinion of Drew is.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      If they sign Drew to play 3rd I think Johnson would slide over to 2nd. The only way Johnson gets pushed to the bench IMO is if Sizemore or Nunez show so much at camp that the team would look crazy to not give them an opportunity to start.

      • JK5 says:

        Think you’d start with Roberts at 2b(and cross your fingers), and Johnson as the super utility guy, which turns another weakness into a strength, should they sign Drew and start him at 3rd.

      • Caballo Sin Nombre says:

        Stephen Drew has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever played 3B at the professional level.

        • Farewell Mo says:

          And Kelly Johnson has 118 innings in his entire career at 3rd base and was almost exclusively an outfielder last year.

          • Havok9120 says:

            118 innings which, by all accounts, were good to very good.

            No, it’s not a ton. But it’s more than Drew has shown. Especially since Drew isn’t known for his defense.

          • The Great Gonzo says:

            Was Johnson almost exclusively an outfielder due to necessity of the team or of his own doing by being bad at all other things?

  18. Mike says:

    I believe in Jeter.

  19. Roy Smalley says:

    Since it’s February 8th already, perhaps Boras shouldn’t be making demands at this point other than “Please sign my client. Pretty please? Pretty pretty please?”

  20. Roy-Munson says:

    If they sign drew and Jeter gets hurt or is ineffective the yanks will have to deal with choosing Drew over Jeter at short And they don’t want to have to deal with that. We’ve seen this before With with posada in 2011 The yanks will not put the best team on the field if it hurts the feelings/psyche of “legacy players” by replacing them with someone younger and more productive

    The other side of that coin is if both players under preform. If they lose with Jeter, they lost with their captain, but if they lose with Drew they face a PR disaster( which they are much more interested in than any other club).

    But in the end Mike Is right. Just makes too much sense so the yanks won’t do it

  21. mustang says:

    “Rounder to sign Drew, they could conceivably wind up with a better draft pick next year if he has a strong Yankee Stadium-aided season and opts out.”

    AND if he sucks then they are stuck with him for X years at X price plus a 50% tax.

    Just give it up dude. Yes Drew would be nice (at a discounted price that Boras probably wouldn’t do), but he is not the “perfect fit” move you guys have been making him out to be.

    • mustang says:

      Sign Alarms Diaz younger, probably cheaper and right handed. He would get a legit shot and second or he can be insurance for Jeter. Whatever happened to the RAB that wants the Yankees to give kids a chance and likes outside of the box thinking?

      • Jonathan says:

        So how often does the think outside of the box and let the kids play work vs signing a valuable player and the best player at a position of need? Did you enjoy the youth movement of last year? Lots of guys got to play last year: Adams/Joseph/Romine/Murphy/Nunez/Almonte. That was fun, wasn’t it?

        • Mustang says:

          “Adams/Joseph/Romine/Murphy/Nunez/Almonte. That was fun, wasn’t it?”

          No it wasn’t not when the rest of the team was made of a bunch beens & wannabes (;))
          Is that the case this year? Or maybe you didn’t see the 500 million free agent bar tab.

          “So how often does the think outside of the box and let the kids play work vs signing a valuable player and the best player at a position of need? ”

          Seem to work out nicely for most Cuban signing. The “need” is right-hand bat that plays third or second (reference OldYanksFan below) who numbers are also good outside of Fenway Park. Find that guy and I’m sure the Yankees will be more willing to pay his salary plus a 50% tax hit.

          • Mustang says:

            No it wasn’t not when the rest of the team was made of a bunch beens & wannabes ;)

          • Mustang says:

            “The list of Cuban players to have an impact on Major League Baseball during the last few seasons includes names like Miami’s Jose Fernandez, Cincinnati’s Aroldis Chapman, White Sox players Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez, Oakland’s Yoenis Cespedes, Detroit’s Jose Iglesias and Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig. The White Sox signed Cuban slugger Jose Abreu and the Dodgers signed second baseman Alexander Guerrero during the offseason.”

            Seems like working out ok to me.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

        Alarms Diaz has a nice ring to it.

        I’ll show myself out.

  22. OldYanksFan says:

    Just a few stats:
    Drew has NEVER played 3rd. His career URZ/150 at SS is just below Zero. What makes people think that when moving him to 3rd base, he won’t be somewhere between poor and a butcher?

    I believe fWar is tough, and not as accurate as bWar on Defense first players. In any event, Oliver projects Drew at 1.8 fWar, and Ryan at 1.3 fWar. So to gain half a Win, it will cost around $12m.

    In any event, Drew improves the team, but not by a huge amount.
    And will there be any SS’s / 3Bmen available mid-season?

    • Preston says:

      I think that people just assume that a player moving down the defensive spectrum makes them better. Sure Drew has the tools to play 3b, but he’s spent his whole life learning how to play SS and natural insticts are a big part of playing the field. People make the same assumption when talking about Jeter. I don’t think switching positions is that easy and there is some evidence to back that up.
      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....positions/

    • Mustang says:

      “And will there be any SS’s / 3Bmen available mid-season?”
      Reference Pablo Sandoval or Chase Headley.

      “In any event, Drew improves the team, but not by a huge amount.”

      THIS!!!!!!

      Plus a Sabermetric bitch slap!

    • stuckey says:

      You’ve got a couple of “dings!” here.

      Drew, under the best of circumstances, probably offers marginable improvement. One HAS to calculate the cost of that improvement. And if you give Drew the opt-out he’s asking for, and he under-performs the cost is THAT much more out-of-whack with the best-case-scenario improvement.

      Secondly, in the event health and bounce back performances in the Yankees minor league system, Yanks would be sitting in a much more advantageous position to acquire infield help that they are right now.

      MLB seasons are marathons, not sprints out of the gate. The perceived urgency for Drew just doesn’t exist.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

        Repeat that last paragraph for emphasis.

        • Mustang says:

          “Secondly, in the event health and bounce back performances in the Yankees minor league system, Yanks would be sitting in a much more advantageous position to acquire infield help that they are right now.
          MLB seasons are marathons, not sprints out of the gate. The perceived urgency for Drew just doesn’t exist.”

          • Mustang says:

            WHAT??!!!!

            You mean that there might be a chance for the Yankees minor league system to get healthy and produce!!!!

            DAMN YOU ESPN!!!!!

          • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

            Just those last two sentences, please. I agree with the rest of it, but it’s not the most salient point the “YANKZ SPENT 500 MILLIONZ AND ALL I GOT WUZ THIS KELLY JOHNSON” crowd needs to hear.

            • Mustang says:

              “YANKZ SPENT 500 MILLIONZ AND ALL I GOT WUZ THIS KELLY JOHNSON” crowd needs to hear.

              But their right don’t you know that pitchers and catchers report next week.

              DOOOOOMM

              • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                Then ST will start. Then guys will get squeezed off rosters. Another market opens up.

                Remember when people wanted the Yanks to keep Overbay on the roster at all costs last summer? Good times. Not exactly a November move there.

                Not ideal, but it’s what you do when you have holes in a shitty market and no way to fill them from within for a while.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                  Remember when Overbay was a 0.2 fWAR, 0.0 bWAR player last year?

                  Hopefully the Yankees don’t need to rely on more performances like that. Filling needs while legit players are/were still available is a good way to avoid having to many of those types of players.

  23. Short Porch says:

    No thanks. .858 OPS in Fenway. .687 on the road. He had a hot second half with the best offense in baseball in a hitter’s park.

    He will deviate from the norm soon enough and he is not getting younger. Stay away.

  24. forensic says:

    I’ll be so glad when he finally signs somewhere else and this all ends.

  25. Mustang says:

    RAB standing on the street and says:
    “The Yankees must stop their wild spending and only spend wisely with an eye on the future and youth development”

    Stephen Drew walks by.

    RAB reacts:

    ” Me want…. if it doesn’t fit lets make it fit …..at all cost… because me want”

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Or people recognize it makes no sense to commit to half a billion dollars in contracts only to leave obvious weak spots and a team more likely to miss the playoffs than make the playoffs.

      Drew is far from ideal and not a perfect fit, but he is an upgrade, in an area where they are in need of upgrading.

      • Havok9120 says:

        A view which completely ignores the idea that the rebuild of the team may happen over the course of more than one year.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          That’s fine, but if that’s the case, signing Beltran makes 0 sense, and some of the other signings make much less sense.
          My problem is the lack of firm direction.
          Either they are completely in it to win it this year, in which case they should have more substantially addressed IF and bullpen, or they should have made every move with an eye towards the future, in which case they shouldn’t have signed Beltran, or probably Ellsbury either for that matter.
          It’s the half-in, half-out approach that gained them nothing last year, and likely will have the same effect this year.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

            That makes zero sense. Zero.

            Brian McCann, Masahiro Tanaka, and Jacoby Ellsbury are all here for the next 5-7 seasons. Those are signings that are as much about right now as they are about rebuilding the face of this franchise. They don’t have opt-outs in May 2014 if the Yankees haven’t filled every hole.

            The Yankees gave Beltran that third year because they felt the market dictated it, but they clearly felt he’d be a productive player over the next two seasons. That makes for exactly one player signed this off-season with short-to-mid-term implications. One.

            This idea that everything has to have the illusion of being hunky dory on Opening Day, even at the expense of signing players whose only distinction is/was being the best player available at the time in a weak market to multiple years is shooting oneself in the foot even worse than the alternative offers. Great. Let’s give Stephen Drew four years and, hey, we should have given Omar Infante four years and, if and when actual players we may like become available, then what? Oh yeah….it’s not my money. Let’s just push them to the bench at 8-10 mil a year.

            The names that excited me this offseason at second and third either never really had a market develop around them (I liked the idea of Ackley) or never hit the market)I liked the idea of Sandoval as stopgap.) In the absence of players I found to be interesting options, yes, I’d rather go with greater depth and, perhaps, less upside and wait and see if a better market emerges. I prefer that 100 times more.

            The Yankees spending money on players doesn’t preclude them from continuing to be a work in progress. Stephen Drew’s not changing that reality.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              If your not intending to win this year, giving Beltran the third year makes absolutely no sense, even if the market dictated it.
              Even a 2-year deal would make little sense. There’s a pretty strong chance he isn’t worth $15M/year in year one, much less year 2 or 3.
              They didn’t sign Ellsbury or McCann because they want them around for years 5 or 5-7 in Ellsbury’s case.
              Both deals make some sense long-term. Both would make much more sense if 2014 was a win-now year. Not being all in now just means losing one of their high value years for nothing, while keeping all of the downside years. Or if they didn’t have players in the organization worth a look if they aren’t completely going for it in 2014 (especially at C).

              They sacrificed picks and took on long-term payroll inflexibility for what? To be a likely mid-eighties win team?
              Does that make any sense whatsoever?

              Not everything has to be great on opening day. But having an IF and bullpen full of question marks? They likely can’t just add 5 wins at the trade deadline either. Realistically, they need to close the gap before then to give them self a likely shot at the playoffs. Drew could help close that gap.

              And I never said give Drew 4-years. I don’t recall anyone making that argument.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                “Not being all in now just means losing one of their high value years for nothing, while keeping all of the downside years.”

                I just plain disagree with that line of thinking.

                Bold moved needed to be made. This franchise is remaking its identity for the first time in almost two decades. There’s more work to be done. If the pieces in front of you don’t necessarily fit, you don’t have to settle for them.

                I’m not 100% opposed to Drew, but I am opposed to the line of thinking that says they punted on second and third while spending big in other areas. They addressed, thus far, what could be addressed very well.

                Perhaps their first year in pinstripes doesn’t end in October. Perhaps it does. We shall see in October.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                  “If the pieces in front of you don’t necessarily fit, you don’t have to settle for them.”

                  Ellsbury for 7/153 and Beltran for 3/45 would seem to fit that description.

                  Given the the multitude of needs they had going into the offseason and the relative weakness at some of those spots in the free agent market, I have no problem with re-making the team being a multi-year process.
                  I do have a problem with making bad moves that only remotely make sense in a win-immediately context, only to not follow through on the win immediately portion of that.
                  If they were looking at 2014 as a partial building year (which would certainly make some sense, all things considered), then they should have treated the entire off-season process that way, not just bits and pieces. Beltran makes no sense in that context. I’m not sure Ellsbury on that contract makes sense in any context. They should have aggressively looked to extend or trade DRob and/or Gardner in that scenario.
                  Instead, they are left with long-term contracts at positions that didn’t necessarily fill long term organizational needs (or at least not efficiently), very little payroll flexibility over the next few years to address what are definitely long-term organizational needs (IF especially, unless they are planning substantial payroll increases going forward), and many veteran one year deals that likely aren’t enough to get them into the playoffs this year, and do nothing for the future (not a big deal in most spots, as their aren’t really worthy kids being blocked in most of those spots anyways).

                  • Havok9120 says:

                    What contracts WOULD have filled long term organizational needs efficiently enough to suit you? Who should they have been targeting?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      I have no problem with Tanaka or McCann (though Tanaka was a bigger $$ commitment than I had hoped). McCann didn’t necessarily fill a long-term org. need as they had some potential C depth, but I thought the rarity of a good on both sides C was worth pursuing.
                      I though Choo would be a better fit than Ellsbury, though he came with his own concerns and may have preferred Texas anyways.
                      Cano should have been targeted as he was, though I don’t blame them for passing on 10 years.
                      I would have targeted 2 of their own aggressively for extensions (DRob and Gardner).
                      Beyond that, I’d just sit back and see if a good value develops as the market evolves. If it doesn’t, then so be it.

                      Point is, handing out bad contracts might be a necessary evil to get the players they need to win, but only makes sense ultimately if they are close enough for those players to put them over top immediately.
                      No need to give out highly questionable contracts now (specifically Ellsbury and Beltran), if they aren’t looking to win for another year or 2.
                      Since they’ve already given out those contracts, not going the extra mile to put them over the top just makes those contracts worse.

                    • The Great Gonzo says:

                      So there is an infield gap currently on the team… Do you REALLY think the lack of a 2nd baseman that is to your liking is really REALLY stopping the Yankees from competing in the AL East?

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                    Your response is consistently to dig in your heels. I can’t have a discussion like that.

                    You think the moves they made scream “win now.” I don’t. Stalemate.

                    Just in time for dinner as well.

              • Havok9120 says:

                And if 2015/16 is their full “win now” year? Should they have punted this offseason for draft picks and tried to everyone next offseason? What outfielders and catchers would they have signed, exactly? Are you saying no groundwork for the mid-term should have been laid just because everything couldn’t be handled at one time?

                Everyone has been saying the team was basically going to need a complete revamp sometime between 2012-2016. The age curves on all our star players dictated that. Are you trying to tell me that you think the only ways that revamp should happen is by totally punting seasons and stocking draft picks or by signing FAs for every hole in the same season? Either the super-risky “rebuild from within” model which almost never works and doesn’t allow for staying competitive for 2-3 years or buying every player that fits a need whether those players are the best long-term fits or not?

                That’s the most unrealistic thing I’ve ever heard, and that goes double in the climate the Yankees operate in.

                • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                  Feel free to completely miss my point to argue against a straw man. I never said any of that.

                  I’m not saying they should have completely punted the offseason. I never said that. I said they need a consistent approach. If it’s a multi-year rebuild, what’s the point of signing contracts that only make sense in a win-now context?
                  If the plan is for 2015/16, Beltran makes no sense.
                  Ellsbury doesn’t make much sense either. CF wasn’t exactly an area of immediate or definite long-term need. I did think it made sense to sign an OF from this year’s free agent class though given next year’s class. I can see a slight case for Ellsbury, but I think a better bat, corner OF probably made more sense.
                  Tanaka could actually make sense long-term and short-term, so I had no problem with that move. McCann might make sense in both ways as well, though they had the option of trying internal options at C while spending that money to upgrade elsewhere.

                  • Havok9120 says:

                    That sounds like you’re assuming Beltran falls completely off a cliff and is useless after this season.

                    I don’t blame them for not liking the look of Choo, who is really the only guy I can think of that fits your OF criteria. And if they aren’t resigning 31 year old Gardner, I’m not sure why CF isn’t an area of long term need. Heathcott’s body could explode at any moment and Williams left most of the prospect evaluators going “meh” last season.

                    I’m asking you what a “consistent approach” looks like if the goal is to revamp the team while staying within shouting distance of competitive. We’re late enough in the offseason that we know pretty much everyone’s price and the availability of guys on the trade market. Who should they have gone for that fits the needs so much better or would have left you saying “this looks like a good basis for a multi-year rebuild.”

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Forgot about Granderson, but I’m not sure I’d prefer that contract to Beltran’s. I admit part of that is Shiny New Toy Syndrome.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      They could resign Gardner, for likely much cheaper but not much worse performance than Ellsbury.

                      Who should they have gone for that fits the needs so much better or would have left you saying “this looks like a good basis for a multi-year rebuild.”

                      I listed a few above.
                      The problem is the organization was in such poor shape at the end of the season, that there really was no scenario that would have had me saying that.
                      They had a ton of holes to fill, and only 2-3 players that made significant long-term sense. No matter what, they were going to have significant long-term questions going forward. They seemed to sign some players just because they were the best/biggest names available – regardless of contract, while passing on several better options to fill other very clear needs.

                      And I don’t think Beltran is useless after this season. I think $15M/year could likely be much better spent than on a declining DH/bad RF after this season.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      After your last two posts, I much better understand where you’re coming from.

                      I just don’t think the kind of offseason you’re outlining was realistic given the pressures on the team. They weren’t going to get Cano, that’s apparent now. The team was willing to give a little bit extra to Ells when Choo turned their offer down. I guess we’ll see if that was a good move or not in a few years.

                      I just don’t think making the moves (and non-moves) you outlined, and thus going into the season with a team not just with holes but with no viable path to contention, was ever an option. Frankly, I prefer this to that. The team will be more fun to watch this season, and likely for several more after that.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      I will put forward a final question though.

                      You’re saying you would rather Beltran’s and Ellsbury’s money be available to invest elsewhere (I’m assuming they don’t give Choo whatever extra he wanted to be a Yankee). You even think McCann’s money could possibly have been used for improvements at positions of greater need. You’ve also said that you don’t really see next season’s FA class as all that much better fits than a guy like Drew. Where is the money to be reinvested?

      • Mustang says:

        The price doesn’t match the upgrade.

        • Mustang says:

          MLBTR:”I’m predicting a four-year, $48MM deal.”

          Let say its less now 3 for 33 for the Yankees that’s 16.5 MM after the tax hit and now 3 for 38.5!

          • Mustang says:

            For another left-handed batter that mostly played SS and who numbers drop like rock outside of Fenway.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            I wouldn’t commit more than 2 years. I’m not saying they should definitely sign him. I do think they should be open to, and actively pursuing, any form of IF or bullpen upgrade.

            As for the $$, what’s the $$ difference to the Yankees if they miss the playoffs instead of making the playoffs? It’s a whole lot bigger than $16.5M.

            • Mustang says:

              “I wouldn’t commit more than 2 years.”

              Then your done because Boras will NEVER let that happen he would go back to the Sox.

              I have nothing against signing Drew for the right Yankees price and if that’s the case then the Yankees are playing their cards right. Don’t chase the bitch let him come to you.

              • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                With an opt-out after one year, it might be possible with a high enough AAV.
                Unlikely, but not impossible.

                Not saying they should definitely sign him. But they should definitely have interest.

            • Havok9120 says:

              At two years I’d be very tempted depending on the price. No denying it.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Are you referring to Drew? Or Beltran? Or Ellsbury? Or Tanaka? Or Jeter?

          Your statement is likely true of all.

          The difference in value to the Yankees of an mid-upper 80-s win, non playoff team and a low-90-s win playoff team is huge.
          They have limited areas in which to upgrade to find those extra wins. IF is won of them. Drew is one player who could potentially accomplish some of that gain, though not even close to doing it on his own.
          Realistically, your statement will likely be true to a degree for any upgrade they can acquire going forward.

    • Farewell Mo says:

      ” Me want…. if it doesn’t fit lets make it fit …..at all cost… because me want”

      Where you are wrong is that Drew fits extremely well. Try reading Mike’s assessment of signing Drew anobit would make perfect sense to anyone open minded, more so if he’d opt out after 1 season and the Yankees could let someone else pay of some of his declining years.

      • Steve says:

        Don’t worry, if they do sign him everyone will talk about what a stroke of genius it was and how the Cash Ninja strikes again. If he’s bad, it will have been Levine. It’s all clockwork.

        How does that read through the troll filter, Jim?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

          It reads that you’re a complete idiot and hanger-on, Steve.

          • Steve says:

            Did the system cut your comment off before you were done? I don’t even see a Cashman Failed joke anywhere. And those words were all spelled right. Did someone jack your name?

            • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

              Go fall on something really long, sharp, and out of timely reach from medical staff.

              • Steve says:

                there’s the wit

                • Macho Man "Randy Levine" says:

                  I laughed.

                  I mean, not at you, at him. Well, no, actually, I did laugh at you, in the “Ha ha! You’re an idiot!” sense.

                  I laughed at his comment because it was funny. Maybe not witty, but it was funny.

                  Since the only time you ever seem to post is to attack him. Which makes you kinda like the Fred Phelps of this site.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

                    No. He’s some combination of Crabbe, Goyle, and Rachel McAdams, although I wanted to nail the shit out of Rachel in that movie.

                    The saddest part is that, on the oft-chance he’s actually contributing instead of being the add-on comment after someone else’s attack on me, he actually seems to be a smart fan. It’s just all buried under layers of bitch.

                    I won’t O:S him, though. It’d just deny me the pleasure each time.

            • Havok9120 says:

              What, exactly, are you trying to do here? You’ve not contributed to any discussion that was going on, nor do you seem interested in having one.

              Are you hoping that by name-dropping someone uninvolved you’ll be able to make it seem like everyone is just ganging up on you despite your sensible, reasoned, and polite arguments (which, again, are no where to be seen in this thread)?

        • Farewell Mo says:

          Yep.

          They’ll all do an about face and say how Drew wasn’t a must sign but that they’re happy he’s here now because he makes the team better. Until then, everyone in favor of signing him are a bunch of spoiled Yankees fans who just want another shiny new toy, not people who see how completely logical it is to sign him with where this team currently stands.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

            Who exactly is going to say that? You’re agreeing with some caricature of what a troll thinks people sound like on here, not what actually happens.

            If the Yanks sign Drew, I’ll say “welcome aboard” and go about my business. If anything, waiting this long probably decreases his price to near-reasonable, and the team would deserve some credit for that.

            • Farewell Mo says:

              “YANKZ SPENT 500 MILLIONZ AND ALL I GOT WUZ THIS KELLY JOHNSON” crowd

              Sounds to me like you and Mustang are lumping everyone in favor of signing Drew into a group that your obviously mocking.

          • Havok9120 says:

            The people you seem to be talking about have generally been saying exactly what you just said. He’s not a must sign. He’ll likely improve the team. We don’t want to see him here on a even somewhat lengthy or expensive contract.

            You value him differently than others. You think he fits the needs of the team to a T. So does Mike. That’s great. Not everyone agrees given his record of performance, the contract he’s been after all winter, and his injury history.

      • Havok9120 says:

        He DOESN’T fit long term. Heck, it’s arguable that he doesn’t fit that well right now, since he’d be best utilized on this team at 3B, where his bat doesn’t play and his glove is a total unknown. That’s not to mention that he has injury concerns at least as bad, and likely worse, than anyone the Yankees have signed this season not named Brian Roberts.

        I’d like him if the price and years are right. But if the whole long term strategy for him his “hope he plays well enough that he opts out after the first year,” then there’s a problem.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          He doesn’t fit long term?
          Who’s the next Yankees SS?
          Or 3B?
          Or 2B?

          And technically, he’d be “best utilized” on this team at SS, though Jeter will certainly get time there, regardless of Drew’s presence.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner says:

            I don’t know. You don’t either. That’s where this franchise is at.

            That doesn’t mean I want to answer that question with Stephen Drew.

            Funny, I actually see Stephen Drew much more as that “win now” move you’re claiming above with other signings.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              I would definitely consider Drew at win now move, but he could easily fit a longer term need as well. It’s not like he’d be blocking a better internal option. And I’m not sure the potential FA options next year (that are likely to make it to free agency) are much better options.

          • Havok9120 says:

            Nothing we’ve seen so far indicates that he’d be willing to be the long term solution at the latter two positions.

            Would you actually want him as the long term solution at SS, even if he were willing to do so in NY?

  26. willie wipperdink says:

    Great, 5 million the first year, 7 the next and 8 after that

    otherwise I prefer to not have anyone that would have anything to do with Boras, I would rather have a slime mold for a friend than Boras.

  27. Martin L says:

    Drew has repeatedly said that he wanted to play shortstop full time and not third base. So I think the Yankees take him at his word on that. Besides, why acquiesce to giving him a multi year contract with a one year op out clause? All the risk is on the Yankees’ side. Typical Boras contract.

  28. Mustang says:

    Sorry I missed all the fun…LOL

    Let me make my point clear I wouldn’t mind Drew at the right price and that to me is less then 3 years and less then 30mm including the tax. I don’t think that well happen as long as Boras has blood in his body.
    I think there are to many negatives and questions to spend over 3 for 30 plus the tax on Drew. I feel that with this team they can patch things together long enough to at least get to the trading deadline and make a better move then Drew if need be.
    Now you can agree or disagree with me, but I will save this thread and check back at mid season and the end of the season to see where we stand. Just don’t bitch out if your wrong, because I sure wouldn’t.

    • Mustang says:

      I will take Drew at 3 for 21 plus he can have his 1 year out option. Thats’s 3 for 24.5 after the tax and they reporting offered Omar Infante 2 for 24 so i can live with that. My absolute limit would be 3 for 24 that’s 3 for 28 after tax.

  29. Mustang says:

    “Where you are wrong is that Drew fits extremely well. Try reading Mike’s assessment of signing Drew anobit would make perfect sense to anyone open minded,”

    Why because you and Mike now represent the “Always right opened-minded group”, please give me a break.

    Mike’s assessment is an opinion that can and has been strongly argued with logic and Statistical backing just read above. Love the site and Mike’s work but I have been here long enough to know that he can be as wrong as the rest of us. How many times has Mike put the stake in Jeter only to watch Jeter be Jeter again?

    • Farewell Mo says:

      Give me a break. You choose to smugly mock those who think the Yankees would be wise to sign Drew and their arguments are stronger than yours though I have yet to see that side mock yours.

      • Mustang says:

        What have you been doing if not mocking and generalizing the shit out of whole argument? And the mocking is all in fun after months, and forensic can back me up on this, of having the Stephen “fucking” Drew drum drumming. Sorry if you took it personal, but the drumming was getting boring so I threw in a little Bass guitar.
        :)

        Here is some backing on other side and maybe you should read the thread for some more.
        “Just a few stats:
        Drew has NEVER played 3rd. His career URZ/150 at SS is just below Zero. What makes people think that when moving him to 3rd base, he won’t be somewhere between poor and a butcher?
        I believe fWar is tough, and not as accurate as bWar on Defense first players. In any event, Oliver projects Drew at 1.8 fWar, and Ryan at 1.3 fWar. So to gain half a Win, it will cost around $12m.
        In any event, Drew improves the team, but not by a huge amount.
        And will there be any SS’s / 3Bmen available mid-season?”

        • Mustang says:

          More
          “No thanks. .858 OPS in Fenway. .687 on the road. He had a hot second half with the best offense in baseball in a hitter’s park.”

      • Mustang says:

        Another simple of people mocking;
        Mustang says:
        February 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm
        For another left-handed batter that mostly played SS and who numbers drop like rock outside of Fenway.
        REPLY
        Farewell Mo says:
        February 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm
        Because we all know that lefties in Yankee stadium are a bad fit, right?

        Oh!…. Wait a minute

  30. Jorge Steinbrenner says:

    I love that I can enjoy a solid sushi dinner with the wife, come back here, and you all are still at it. :)

  31. scooter10 says:

    A right handed 3B would fit much better on the roster right now. With that said, if Drew is willing to play 3B, you could platoon Johnson/Roberts at 2B. Not sure who would play 3B if Drew struggles against LHP….. with Drew your bench is likely Cervelli, Ryan, Johnson/Roberts, Ichiro. If you don’t sign Drew, you likely keep Sizemore or Nunez as the platoon partner for Johnson.

    All and all, I’m not sure Drew ($10m+/yr) is much of an upgrade over Johnson ($3m/year). What it does do is provide Roberts a platoon partner at 2B (i.e. Johnson) unless you consider Ryan part of that platoon.

  32. scooter10 says:

    Guess you could argue Drew is an upgrade but not by much. Again, what signing Drew does in my opinion is create a platoon at 2B with Johnson/Roberts.

    Johnson

    2013 – .235/.305/.410 OPS +99
    2012 – .225/.316/.365 OPS +85
    2011 – .222/.304/.413 OPS +93

    Drew

    2013 – .253/.333/.443 OPS +111
    2012 – .223/.309/.348 OPS +81
    2011 – .252/.317/.396 OPS +93

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