Feb
12

Wednesday Night Open Thread

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This is so weird. I mean, Derek Jeter announcing that the 2014 season will be his last is not the most surprisingly thing in the world, but it was still a kick to the gut when it finally happened. He was never my favorite player (Mariano Rivera was) but that doesn’t mean I won’t miss him or didn’t appreciate his historically great career. Jeter is probably the greatest Yankee I will ever see and the fact that he maintained such a clean image while spending his entire career in New York is impressive. What a great player.

Here is the nightly open thread. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing, plus you’ve got the Olympics. Talk about any of those games, Jeter, or anything else right here. Enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Eddard

    If there’s any justice the HOF will waive the 5 year eligibility period and automatically induct Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera together, as it should be. And I’d even go one step further and let in Posada and Andy. That was the Core 4 and that’s how they should be remembered in the Hall.

    • Mykey

      I honestly don’t see that having any impact on how they’re all remembered.

    • ALZ

      Can’t you at least say something plausible?
      Jeter is a HOFer, but he is far from the best player that ever played this game.

      • Wicomico Pinstripes

        Not saying an exception should be made, but he has been the face of MLB for the last fifteen years.

        • http://eaglecountyschools kieran coyle

          that would mess up my 2019 cooperstown reservations

  • Fred

    Hanley Ramirez 2015 anyone?

    • Preston

      As long as it’s for 3B

    • Farewell Mo

      I’ll pass on giving huge bucks to a then 32 year old SS who’s below average defensively and frequently hurt so we can have him for his most if not all of his decline years.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Harold Reynolds thinks Yankess will acquire Tulowitzki for 2015, while Al Leiter and Ron Darling both say Hanley. Richard Justice says Hanley.

    So this is why Derek retired. He realizes the Yanks are gonna make a run at Hardy or Hanley, and if they land one of them, they’re not going to bring him back to play DH at 10 to 15 mill per year.

    This is also why the Yanks aren’t interested in Drew — they have higher targets for SS in 2015.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      that should read, Richard Justice thinks Yanks will sign either Hanley Ramirez or JJ Hardy next offseason.

      • I’m One

        JJ Hardy? Really? Well, I guess that would be OK. There won’t be another Jeter. I really feel that Hanley and the Dodgers will work out an extension, taking him off the market, although I’d love to have him (just hope, if they get him, that he stays injury free and can stay at SS).

    • Fred

      I still think Drew adds value. The 2B market next year is atrocious.
      Sign him now to start at 3B. Johnson/Roberts form a natural platoon at 2B.

      Next year your infield could potentially be Headly 3B, Ramirez SS, Drew 2B…

    • vicki

      two words: jed lowrie.

      • ALZ

        two words: never healthy.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I prefer the more likely “Derek Jeter retired for the reasons he stated he’s retiring.” No more, no less. If conspiracy theories are going to get you through the night, though, then conspire away.

    • Dalek Jeter

      “So this is why Derek retired.”

      Yeah…it’s not at all that he’s coming back from injury and that after 23 years of working himself up from a minor leaguer to a legitimate contender for one of the top 5 of his position of all time that he is tired, or that as he put it playing/working towards being able to play started to feel like a job. It’s because there is a good class of FA’s next season, the most popular choice of which probably isn’t long for the position.

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        sure, if they offered him a 3 year extension, he would have turned down.

        lol whateva

        • Dalek Jeter

          There is every chance that he would have. I don’t think he would have personally, because Jeter is the ultimate competitor and would have looked at it as a challenge to not only play but be productive for the next 3 years. Why is it so hard to believe that he’s just retiring to retire though?

          • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

            because 5 months ago when he was asked in an innocent way, what would he like his farewell tour to look like and he replied that he doesn’t even remotely think of retirement. He took the question as an insult, and indignantly told the reporter “what’s a matter, do you want it [his career] to be over”.

            It’s not me saying the yankees have been planning to sign a shortstop to a long term deal in 2015, it was Richard Justice, Leiter, Darling, etc.

            • Dalek Jeter

              I watched MLB Tonight(twice actually because I was too lazy to change the channel), you’re absolutely misconstruing what was said. They didn’t say “The Yankees have been planning to sign a shortstop in 2015″ They said “Now that the Yankees need to sign a shortstop in 2015 they should sign.”

              As for the argument that 5 months ago he said/did something different compared to how he’s behaving/what he said now…5 months ago I was planning to stay local after I finish Community College, now I’m planning to attempt to move to DC. People and plans change.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I was still a fish five months ago.

        • Kenny

          The laugh’s on you if you think everyone has this monetized, lower middle class view of life.

          • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

            what plant are you from? rich and upper middle class don’t have a monetized view of life?

            Must have been a different Robinson Cano who signed with the highest bidder.

            Must have been a different Derek Jeter who was signing autographs at a Steiner card show last month.

            Must have been a different Derek Jeter who told management in 2010 that a 4 year $51 million contract was an insult and demanded another $15 million in incentives. Derek would never monetize incentives, he plays for the fun of the game.

            Heh!

            • stuckey

              I’m not one to nominate Derek Jeter for sainthood either.

              Money probably means the same to him as it does to most others.

              BUT… I ALSO don’t think Derek Jeter is a moron, and believed anytime recently the Yankees were bringing him back to play SS under any circumstances in 2015.

              This has been a foregone conclusion for some time now.

              Yes, Derek Jeter retired because he KNOWS he won’t be the Yankees SS in 2015.

              I also strongly suspect he knows he can’t be. And probably doesn’t want to be.

    • pft2

      With Arods 27.5 million AAV back on the books next year, and holes to fill at 2B (Roberts/Johnson FA), LF (Gardner FA), DH (Soriano last year, FA), closer (Robertson FA) and SP’er (Kuroda FA/retirement) can they really afford Hanley Ramirez? Is there any guarantee Hanley will even be a FA. What in the world do they have in which to trade for Tulowitzki that other teams can’t match or exceed?

      • Dalek Jeter

        2015 is a very, very long way away when it comes to talking about personnel changes…but if Arod is playing, he and Beltran are probably going to be splitting a majority of the DH reps…As for the other holes:

        3B Headley
        SS Cabrera (that’s IF they don’t sign that 23yr Cuban kid)
        LF Gardner, Markakis, or Aoiki would be my choice

        Starting pitching is tricky, and to me depends A LOT on what Michael Pineda does this season. If he falls completely on his face and proves that he’s got nothing, then I think you have to go out and get a John Lester or a Homer Bailey. If however, he shows the Yankees that he can be anything like the kid who pitched for Seattle and can give the Yankees 170-200 innings in 2015 I say forgo the pitching market completely and allow Banuelos and Phelps to compete for the 5th spot.

  • Grit for Brains

    The S. Drew hate has grown so strong amongst some of you that I’m sure even with today’s new, you still want no part of him…Doesn’t matter that he is not only the best available FA infielder or that he is capable of handling short…Doesn’t matter one bit.

    /facepalm

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Oaktag

    • Havok9120

      To be fair, the vast majority of naysayers on drew have said they’d welcome him aboard, especially on the right contract. They just don’t see him as a perfect fit/must sign.

      • Farewell Mo

        and to be fair, most of the people calling for the signing of Drew aren’t saying it’s a must sign or perfect fit or that Cashman sucks and the world will come to an end if they don’t sign Drew but rather that his signing would make sense, he would make the team better especially since his price is likely to be a whole lot less than exorbitant

        • Havok9120

          I don’t disagree with that characterization, though there have been plenty of “how is he still on the market” posts.

          But that’s really beside the point given the post I was responding to.

        • lightSABR

          Wait – you’re suggesting that people who don’t really disagree very much have started calling each other idiots just so they can have something to argue about? On a blog, of all places?

          Farewell Mo, you’re going to destroy my faith in humanity.

    • JRod

      What kind of people are these? You really want to talk about Stephen Drew on the day when DEREK JETER, the immortal Yankee Captain, has announced his retirement? Seriously, I don’t understand how you are allegedly a Yankees fan and yet your mind works that way.

      • Captain Turbo

        PEOPLE THAT SAY THINGS I DON’T LIKE ARE NOT TRUE YANKEE FANS!

  • Wicomico Pinstripes

    Said this before, but Jeter is my second favorite player behind Mantle and just before Bernie.

    Here’s to hoping he has another 200 hits left in him.

  • Pinkie Pie

    Excerpt from Jeter’s retirement statement:

    “Last year was a tough one for me. As I suffered through a bunch of injuries, I realized that some of the things that always came easily to me and were always fun had started to become a struggle. The one thing I always said to myself was that when baseball started to feel more like a job, it would be time to move forward.”

    Excerpt from Joe DiMaggio’s 1951 retirement press conference:

    “I said last spring that I thought this would be my last year. I wish that I could have had a better year. But even if I had hit .350, this would have been my last year for me anyhow. You all know I’ve had my share of injuries and setbacks during my career. In recent years these have been too frequent to laugh off. When baseball is no longer fun, it’s no longer a game. And so, I’ve played my last game of ball.

    • CountryClub

      It’s a pretty common statement from made by players.

      • CountryClub

        Let’s try that again….. It’s a pretty common statement made by great players

  • pft2

    Drew is only 1 yr older than Hanley and is much cheaper. He is also a better defender and his bat plays better at YS. He will only cost a 2nd round pick while Hanley will cost a 1st rounder. More important, he is available this year and Jeters retirement announcement suggests he is not doing all that well in his rehab.

    Furthermore, signing Drew does not preclude signing Hanley. If they give Drew an optout he may exercise it. If they don’t give an optout, he is still a tradeable commodity.

    • stuckey

      “and Jeters retirement announcement suggests he is not doing all that well in his rehab.”

      No, it doesn’t. He’s planning on playing his last game in late October, not late April.

      IF Derek Jeter was scared, he’s just retire now.

      The correlation between announcing his retirement at the end of this season and “fear” he won’t be able to play well or long has not logical throughline.

      Its hand-wringers doing the only thing they know how.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Petition for those 1 or 2 assholes who don’t vote for Derek Jeter for the HOF on his first ballot to explain exactly why he isn’t a HOF’er and cannot use the argument “Nobody gets a 100% ballot” because it is facile and pointless.

    • Chip Rodriguez

      BUT HE PLAYED IN THE STEROID ERA!

      (not being facetious, sadly, that was a real excuse… sigh.)

    • Wicomico Pinstripes

      Although I believe Maddux was the superior player I think Jeter has a better shot at a 100% ballot than he did, all things considered.

  • stuckey

    Feelings on Drew summed up thusly:

    The potential marginal WAR he represents is not proportionate to the significant cost.

    The opt out he’s seeking makes the terms even worse, with little upside in such a deal available to the Yankees.

    The odds likely favor paying him mutli-years for veteran dollars for production that can be replicated at a fraction of the cost.

    The ‘insurance policy’ he represents perhaps can be more accurately described as a casino you have to play before you can cash it in.

    • Grit for Brains

      “The potential marginal WAR he represents is not proportionate to the significant cost”

      Drew’s salary is likely to be less than the revenue that would be produced from a division series appearance – - Are you suggesting that the team is not right on the bubble of playoffs/ vs no playoffs?

      • Chip Rodriguez

        Most of the team projections right now have them winning between 82 and 84 games. That’s not on a playoff bubble, not in the AL East.

        • lightSABR

          Really? Links, please. I can’t remember where, but I thought the consensus was that we’re more in the territory of 88 wins now, and thus in a place where 2 WAR from Drew might make a big difference.

      • stuckey

        You can justify ANYTHING by playing the ‘on the bubble game’. You want to throw our cost, and throw out production based on the FEAR that the marginal different DREW himself makes will be the marginal difference between qualifying and not qualifying.

        Given the bubble now likely means 1 one game play-off rather than a full 5 game series, those odds just got less attractive.

        • lightSABR

          Drew’s almost certainly better than Brendan Ryan, Eduardo Nunez, Scott Sizemore, and Dean Anna, who – as the roster is currently constituted – are likely to play about 120 games among them, given the rest that Jeter will need and the inevitable injuries to Roberts. If Jeter spends any significant time injured, or if Johnson gets hurt, that number will climb towards a full season of what will probably be replacement-level production.

          On top of that, Drew will probably be better than Roberts next year, and very possibly be better than Jeter and Johnson. He’s no superstar, but signing him would substantially improve both our starting infield and our depth, likely winning us an extra two or three games.

          Is it worth the price? I have no idea, since I don’t know what the price is. But the idea that signing Drew would be “throwing out production” is just silly. There’s precious little production in the current infield that we even could throw out.

          • stuckey

            Yes or no, are you numbers based on best case scenario Drew and worst case scenario everyone else

  • soxhata

    I am disappointed that Jeter didn’t take the Todd Helton route,and announce his pending retirement before the last homestand.I loved Mo,and respected Chipper Jones,but the farewell tour gets a bit ridiculous.Going to go to a few more games than I had planned,for sure.I never lived through a career of a player so talented and durable thanks to the Captain!

    • Chip Rodriguez

      He’s not asking for a farewell tour.

      Maybe he’s asking the reporters to stop speculating about how many more years his legs can go, and whether he has plans to retire. Every. Single. F’n. Press conference.

    • Kenny

      Agree. It’s the only off-key note in all this: that retirement tour bit. Dimag’s way was better, after the season. Or Mantle’s, just before spring training (as I seem to remember).

    • lightSABR

      Why? If he’s really the team player everyone says he is, he’s going to want people to know in advance that he’s retiring so that the team can take advantage of it to boost revenue.

  • Wheels

    So $16M for Burnett? Wow Phillies.

    • Havok9120

      Possibly more if it turns out to be a player option.

    • nycsportzfan

      stupid.

  • Havok9120

    So that Syracuse game was quite the thing.

    I don’t know how many more of those kinds of wins I can take.

  • OldYanksFan

    Maybe it’s wisdom that comes with age, but I’m surprised how off the mark people here are about Jeter retiring.

    The answer is easy.
    Once he is no longer committed to playing a profession sport, he will no longer have to be so chaste, and will have both the time and energy to pursue beautiful little starlets.

    Yes… Jeter will finally be able to get laid.

  • Kentucky Ed

    Everything you need to know about the Boston Red Sox and their fans: they’re World Champions, they’ve got a basically young club with some more talent on the way. Spring Training is coming. So what’s the Boston Globe headline as the Sox move to Florida? “Yanks Aren’t Up to Snuff”, for an article reassuring Soxoids that their team is better than the Yanks. Is there any greater evidence that this sad fishing village’s team knows that it serves as little more than the occasional irritant to Yankees history?

    • stuckey

      Seriously?

      Does this stuff really mean anything to anyone – trying to favorably compare your favorite team, its fans and home cities against others?

      This does something for someone?

      Boston’s a great city. People who live there a good people. The Red Sox organization is one of the better run ones of the last decade (the 2011-12 debacles included). There fans are no different the any fans anywher – their loyalty to their team is mostly a product of your locality and who their father rooted for.

      We’d all be Red Sox fans if we grew up in New England.

      Is there a slightly different fandom culture due to the history of their team? Yes of course, but I wouldn’t put Red Sox’s constant need for reassurance as any better or worse than the culture of entitlement among Yankees fans (who if this forum and others is an indication ALSO suffer from a severe persecution complex.

      Aren’t we past this cartoonish Tom and Jerry nonsense?

      • FIPster Doofus

        He’s a secret Red Sox fan! Burn him!

      • Captain Turbo

        We’d all be Red Sox fans if we grew up in New England.

        Nooooope. Grew up in Connecticut. Yankee fan for life.

  • nycsportzfan

    Wow, i just so my Uncle Ron today(at my grandfathers funeral unfortunetly), but none the less, we got talking Yankees at the after gathering, and would of been nice to get this Jeter info earlier to find out his take. Hes pretty pumped about this yr. He seemed to like McCann and Tanaka signings the most. Hes been diehard for 50plus yrs. His fave all time player is the Mick. So, i love seeing him and talking baseball

    You guys think Jeter may have waited till so close to season starting because he woulden’t want the gifts and all that stuff as he goes from stadium to stadium this summer? He dosen’t seem like the type that would like that.

  • Tom

    486 games between 2nd/SS/3rd. With 4 infielders that’s 120 games each (75% playing time). And do folks think Jeter AND Roberts are both good for 120 games in the field next year?

    The question is not whether Drew is an upgrade over Johnson or Roberts but how much of an upgrade he is over 120 games (or likely more) of the Yankees current 4th IF’r options (Ryan, future RAB HOF’r Scott Sizemore, Dean Anna, Nunez)

    This is pretty much analogous to the OF with a need for 4 outfielders when you consider part of the time at DH. People need to stop looking at Drew as a 1:1 replacement of one of the presusmptive starters (Johnson or Roberts). A rotation of him/Johnson/Jeter/Roberts is replacing playing time from the mess of 4th and 5th IF options. And in the even both Roberts and Jeter can’t play a lot in the field (which is not an absurd scenario), it means two of those 4th/5th IF options won’t be playing a lot of the time.

  • nope

    That’s exactly how it felt when I heard the news, Mike, like a punch in the gut, and a lump in the throat, and a tear in the eye…

  • mustang

    Still like to see them sign Aledmys Diaz.

  • Tom

    Random rant as I see Brett Marshall was claimed off of waivers by the Reds from the Cubs.

    MLB need to do something about the seemingly increasing # of teams who claim players with no intent of keeping them on the 40man and just hope to sneak the player through waivers later. It can leave players in limbo for a month or more as teams continuously claim and then DFA the player trying to sneak them through waivers and off the 40man. It happened with a couple of guys last year as well – I think Casper Wells went about a month without even playing as he was passed from one team with seemingly noone really intent on putting him on the 40man.

    Toronto did this a ton last year, Theo/Hoyer seem to be doing this with Chicago, and I think there should be a cost for teams to do this (other than the marginal cost of the waiver claim which is peanuts)

    I have no problems with a team claiming a player in good faith, but now it’s just teams hoping to get someone who came off a 40man on someone else’s roster, to become a free non 40man guy on their roster.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Still not a bad way to make a living.

  • I’m a looser and a trader baby so why don’t you kill me?

    Wow the music in that video is epically horrendous! Some great moments though obviously, and I LOVED hearing Scooter’s voice.