Open Thread: 3/23 Camp Notes

Cashman confirms Yankees will move Jose Ramirez to the bullpen
Fan Confidence Poll: March 24th, 2014

The Blue Jays snapped the Yankees’ seven-game winning streak with a 3-1 win on Sunday. Michael Pineda had his worst outing of the spring, allowing three runs on six hits and a hit batsman in six innings. He struck out two and walked no one, getting a dozen outs on the ground compared to only two in the air. Jorge Castillo says he threw 57 of 80 pitches for strikes. Pineda was mostly 88-91 mph on the YES gun with a few 92s and 93s mixed in. Not the best outing, but he held his own against Toronto’s mostly A-lineup.

The Yankees scored their only run on a Derek Jeter double play ball. He went 0-for-3 and it sure would be comforting if he started hitting soon. Brett Gardner and Carlos Beltran both went 2-for-3, Brian McCann and Alfonso Soriano both went 1-for-3, and Brian Roberts and Mark Teixeira went a combined 0-for-7. Grapefruit League MVP Yangervis Solarte struck out with the tying run on base to end the game. Dellin Betances further locked up a bullpen job by inheriting a bases loaded, one out jam, and escaping with a strikeout (Jose Bautista) and fly out (Edwin Encarnacion). Here’s the box score, here are the video highlights, and here’s the rest from Tampa.

  • Jacoby Ellsbury (calf) will play in a minor league game on Tuesday. If he plays in a regular Grapefruit League at some point, the Yankees won’t be able to backdate a potential DL stint. Minor league games it is. Brendan Ryan (back) is feeling a little better but won’t play at all this week. [Wally Matthews, Castillo]
  • Beltran is hosting an event to encourage and motivate the team’s minor leaguers, and today he was recruiting teammates to participate. He recently hosted a catered event for Latino players in the organization, with guest speakers and a band. Pretty neat. [Castillo, Chad Jennings]
  • Donnie Collins has some notes from minor league camp, if you’re interested. Manny Banuelos hit 95 mph for the first time since Tommy John surgery in today’s three-inning outing.
  • The Yankees do not have a game on Monday, but Ivan Nova will pitch in a minor league game. Not sure if any other workouts are planned.

Here is your open thread for the night. This afternoon’s game will be replayed on YES at 10:30pm ET, and MLB Network will re-air a different game later tonight. The Devils, Knicks, and Nets are all playing as well. Talk about anything and everything right here.

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Cashman confirms Yankees will move Jose Ramirez to the bullpen
Fan Confidence Poll: March 24th, 2014
  • dkidd

    carlos beltran: great teammate

    • OB/GYN Kenobi

      +1

    • lightSABR

      Why they didn’t pick him up years ago, I’ll never understand.

      • mustang

        THIS!!!

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        Cashman Failed

        • Farewell Mo

          It was either him or Randy Johnson from what I recall and Cashman chose wrong.

          • ROBTEN

            I believe Casman wanted Beltran, but Steinbrenner wanted (and got) Johnson.

            • Steve (different one)

              I don’t know if Cashman wanted Beltran, but the Boss’ obsession with Randy Johnson had been well documented for about 7 years prior to that offseason…

              • The Great Gonzo

                I thought it was Sheffield or Beltran? In which case Cashman didn’t really get the chance to choose…

                And we forget that Beltran had some injury issues in his time in Queens, in which case George mighta chose right.

                • Dr. Honeydew

                  The choices were Sheffield or Vlad Guerrero, and Johnson vs Beltran.

                • bulasteve

                  Believe it was Sheffield or Vlad.

  • Jarrod

    Hardly a bad outing and he is still healthy which is the most important thing.

  • Jeff

    Here’s to Manny dominating the minors this year and at worst replacing Kuroda at the start of next year…

  • Dalek Jeter

    Gut feeling, Phelps is the fifth starter, mostly because Girardi seems to really like Phelps.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Your guts have shit for brains.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I’m just saying how many times has Girardi gone with what he likes/trusts over what we feel is the right choice? Off the top of my head I can think of Cory Wade in that Mets series and for about a week or two after, Chris Stewart over Cervelli before Cervelli got hurt, Logan against RHHs. Joe has methods and guys that he likes and trusts and that’s usually how he goes regardless. I’m not saying that going with Phelps is necessarily the wrong decision just that I think that’s the way Girardi is going to go based on how he’s decided to do things in the past.

        • Steve (different one)

          ” Chris Stewart over Cervelli before Cervelli got hurt”

          But this isn’t true…

          • Dalek Jeter

            Huh, I swore I remember Stewart “winning” the starting job last season. Maybe he “won” the rigged back up over Romine and the like.

            I forgot my favorite example of Joe going with a “circle of trust” guy over another option. Jayson Nix had 505 plate appearances over his 2 seasons with the team. One could argue that is because he spent most of last season playing as a starter, but he still appeared in 74 games in 2012, getting 202 PA.

            • Preston

              In 2013 Nix was the 7th most valuable Yankee in those 300 ABs. In 2012 he got the playing time of a utility infielder rather than giving the playing time to Nunez. I don’t fault Joe for trusting the sure handed Nix over Eduardo Scissorhands.

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                Yeah, that was “Nunie sucks” not “I love Jayson.”

        • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

          I was referencing High Fidelity.

    • RetroRob

      I think he does like Phelps, but probably for his versatility, not because he necessarily wants him as the 5th starter. Phelps will be one of the members of the pitching staff.

      I wouldn’t be shocked if Phelps was named the 5th starter, but I would be surprised. I think the way Pineda doesn’t make the rotation is if they believe he would be better served with some additional time in the minors to build up his arm strength in a controlled setting, and perhaps pitch in some warmer weather while avoiding the colder weather of the northeast at the start of the season.

      He didn’t have his best stuff today, a little less velocity and break on the slider. Yet the fact he still held his own is a good sign, just as it was with Tanaka the day before.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Yeah, I’m almost more impressed with this outing than I was with the one against the Sox’s C squad.

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Great efforts by Beltran. I loved all the charity work Curtis did but having Beltran contribute directly to the organization is also good.

    Great to hear about Man-Ban.

    Here’s hoping he hits his ceiling. Preferably in the Bronx next year.

    • OB/GYN Kenobi

      F that. Crash through the ceiling in the way to the moon!

      • OB/GYN Kenobi

        *on

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    The Yankees must not be 100% confident in Jacoby’s cafe if they won’t put him in a Grapefruit League game. The injury is obviously more serious than they are letting on, which sucks.

    • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

      Calf* can we please get a freaking edit button already?

      • Grit for Brains

        I really wanted to ask about the food at Jacoby’s cafe but you caught it too fast.

      • RetroRob

        I’m pretty sure RAB once did implement an edit button, but it disappeared quickly. Not sure why. Maybe it was a resource issue. I’d like to have it back. I’m shocked by the errors I make sometimes as I type quickly!

        • Cheval Anonyme

          They would need to institute accounts, with login required to comment, in order to have editing of comments. Think about it…

          • Kevin G.

            There are accounts. I’m signed in right now. In fact, I made this account way back when in order to be able to edit my comments.

            That feature and the one that tells you what comments are new are the ones that I miss.

            • RetroRob

              I’m gathering I must have been signed in for the edit function. Not sure. I just remember it existed for a very short time. I think I stopped signing in quite a while back since it’s not required and there are no benefits that I’m aware of. An edit feature/new comments etc. certainly would make it worthwhile.

    • RetroRob

      True, although the very fact it is a Spring Training game could be why they’re holding him out. No reason to risk it.

      Yet clearly this injury was more serious than what they originally thought. He should have been back toward the end of last week by the original conservative schedule.

    • OB/GYN Kenobi

      I think the back date DL thing is a valid reason.

      • OB/GYN Kenobi

        (Not that I’m happy about the injury)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      It couldn’t be any worse than a Johnny Rockets burger at YS3.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formerly Drew) RIP Egon

    Also Mike, Pineda only gave up 2 ER.

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Eh, the unearned run was caused by his own errors. He should be blamed.

      • pat

        It was half his fault and half Nunez for even letting the guy reach.

  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

    I am renouncing my fandom of the Yankees since North Carolina just blew the game against Iowa State.

  • http://riveravenueblues mississippi doc

    UNC didn’t blow it. Iowa State won it.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      No, Carolina blew it by not hitting any shots and turning over the ball repeatedly in the last few minutes.

      • Hawkeye

        Not sure what one has to do with the other. But to my point- how is it some can never give the other team credit. Baseball example: in yesterday’s game Betances is given credit ( and rightly so) for getting out of a bases loaded jam. But to some Blue Jay fans, Bautista and Encarnacion “blew” it. So Iowa State gets no credit for good defense or making a great shot at the end. NC gets no credit for a 50% freethrower stepping up to hit 2 FT and tying the game. Also you forget that Iowa State was actually the higher seeded team and played the game without one of their best starters.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Beltran is hosting an event to encourage and motivate the team’s minor leaguers

    8-ball and escorts

    • Dalek Jeter

      A single 8 ball for all the minor leaguers? You clearly meant pool and I should get my mind out of the illegal.

  • John Duci

    Looks like Scherzer is hitting the FA market. With Kuroda gone and cc almost gone I think he’s a Yankee next year.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves there, champ.

    • Preston

      Depends on what happens this year. If Pineda, Nova and Tanaka all have strong seasons and Banuelos has a strong season in the minors giving a long term deal to Scherzer probably won’t be our biggest need, given that at least three infield positions will be open with no immediate replacements in sight.

      • mustang

        Agree.

    • mustang

      “Morosi tweets the Tigers’ offer was for six years and $144MM, identical to Cole Hamels’ 2012 extension.”

      He will be 30 next year and probably looking for 7 for 175 if not more with Boras.

      “Scott Boras tells ESPN.com it wasn’t Scherzer who rejected the extension offer, but the Tigers. “Max Scherzer made a substantial long-term contract extension offer to the Detroit Tigers that would have placed him among the highest-paid pitchers in baseball, and the offer was rejected by Detroit,” Boras said”

      • Steve (different one)

        “Max Scherzer made a substantial long-term contract extension offer to the Detroit Tigers that would have placed him among the highest-paid pitchers in baseball, and the offer was rejected by Detroit,”

        Does anyone else find this hilarious? Is this from the onion?

        • Preston

          I have an offer out to the Yankees. I’ll sit in the dug out most games to cheer on the team, when I’m sober enough to get to the stadium. And I’ll do all of this for the low, low price of 18 million per year, as long as the length of the contract is over 5 years. I have not heard back from them yet. Wish me luck.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Thing is, they’re also considering my offer. 15 mil per season and I’ll sit in the dugout and cheer regardless of sobriety. I feel the hang up for my contract talks is a locker to pass out in if I’m too drunk to leave after the game.

            • Preston

              You keep undercutting my salary demands like this and pretty soon the Yanks are going to ask us to pay to come and cheer on the team!

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      I doubt it. As uncertain (but potentially awesome) as the rotation is for this year (and consequently the future years as well), the front office has to address the infield situation.

      The FA market potentially will offer some quality players for the Yankees to look at for 3B and SS, maybe even 2B. All these positions must be addressed, and more urgently than the rotation.

      Really, really hoping that Peter O’Brien and Rob Refsnyder make it to AAA next year. That’d make it a lot easier.

    • Tom

      The Yankees have ~160mil tied up in just 8 players through 2016. Even if you just had all league min players filling out the roster you’re close to 170mil already. When you start looking at arbitration guys it’s probably closer to 180.

      They really have no money coming off the books next year
      – Jeter and Kuroda are basically Arod’s 22.5mil and the 6mil bonus back on the books
      – Ichiro leaving will basically pay Gardner’s raise
      – Soriano leaving will probably pay for Robertson’s raise if they keep him

      They’ll also need a brand new IF once again next year (2nd, SS, and depending on ARod, maybe 3rd)

      I don’t think you see any more big money contracts until some of other big money starts coming off the books post 2016 (Tex, Beltran) and post 2017 (Arod, CC). It would probably take something huge – a really bad year or two, ratings or attendance falling off big time – for them to add another big long term commit in the near future.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Or they’ll just be the Yankees, and not give a fuck if it improves the team enough to justify the cost.

      • pft2

        Jeter, Kuroda, Robertson, Soriano, Ichiro potentially coming off the books and saving them 45 million. Arod coming back on at 27.5.

        So they have 17.5 million and need a 2B, SS, DH, SP, Closer. Maybe the closer and SP come from in house options. Anna could be the 2Bman. So a SS and DH if all is well. I think they can do that for 17.5 million AAV

        • pft2

          OOps, like you say Arods bonus. I would not be surprised if they just released him and kept Johnson there if he works out OK, or maybe someone in AA/AAA makes a jump

        • Tom

          Your math is flawed and you didn’t take the time to read my note.

          1) Gardner’s salary goes up almost 7 mil (which you’ve completely ignored)… which is why I said that’s basically Ichiro coming off the books. That takes your 17mil # downto ~10mil right off the top before you even start shopping.

          2) I explicitly said IF they resign Robertson it will eat up most of Soriano’s money that’s coming off(so instead of saving ~5mil, I’m guessing he’ll get ~10mil per)… which combined with item 1, basically brings your 17mil down to 0mil.

          3) You’ve also assumed every player not coming off the books is static salary-wise. In addition to Gardner going up, Nova and Cervelli are arb2, Shawn Kelley hits arb3, Pineda, Nunez(if he’s still around), Phelps all hit arb 1. These guys all get raises assuming they play a fair amount – Nova’s probably the biggest of the bunch but that’s probably at least 4-5mil combined in raises right there.

          If they re-sign Robertson the only real money the Yankees having coming off the books are the Kelly Johnson’s and Brian Robert’s of the world and their 2-3mil deals – which will basically pay the arbitration raises. And if they don’t resign Robertson they have ~5 mil (if they hold salary flat)

          So unless they raise payroll (they cut it by 30mil this year), there is no 17mil AAV to shop with, even if they let Robertson walk. They can certainly fill out the roster, but if they keep payroll where it’s at now or only modestly raise it, there is no room for 10+mil signings short term. The main point is unless they are going to jump salary significantly there really isn’t a budget for a top flight player like a Scherzer which the OP mentioned.

          • Fin

            Who knows what the Yankees will do with their budget. It seems to be a very fluid situation. Almost at a whim. One day they are tapped out, next they are signing Soriano to be a setup man for 30m. Then spend 2 off seasons on the sidelines, only to spend big money on Ichiro and Wells, and raise their payroll the largest its ever been, with possibly the worst team we’ve seen in 30 yrs. Its clear that there is no real hard budget but something that is in complete flux depending on the current situation, plan, feeling, time of day, weather, ec.

  • mustang

    RetroRob says:
    March 23, 2014 at 8:02 pm

    On Pineda:
    He didn’t have his best stuff today, a little less velocity and break on the slider. Yet the fact he still held his own is a good sign, just as it was with Tanaka the day before.

    Worth repeating!!!!

    I would be shocked if Pineda doesn’t get 5th spot and Phelps to the pen.

  • Darren

    Beltran’s holding an even but only the Latin minor leaguers are invited? That’s pretty wack, if true.

    • Preston

      “Beltran is hosting an event to encourage and motivate the team’s minor leaguers, and today he was recruiting teammates to participate. He recently hosted a catered event for Latino players in the organization, with guest speakers and a band.”

      There are two events. One he’s holding for all the MiLB players and one he held for the Latin American ones. I don’t think it’s whack at all. They have a lot of challenges that American born players don’t and Beltran and probably the guest speakers (whoever they were) have experience making this transition and they’re helping others do the same thing.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Yeah, that’s what I was about to say.

      • Wheels

        Ever see the baseball film, Sugar? I recommend, deals with the challenges a Dominican pitching prospect faces trying to make it to the majors.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I’m with Preston here, I think you completely missed the point there Darren.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Darren missed a point? Nooo way.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            WHICH EVENT DOES NUNEY GO TO?!?!?!

            Good on Beltran, BTW. I knew of all of this already, but I think it’s amazing that a newcomer to the franchise would so quickly go above and beyond. He is who they say he is.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The poor white man.

  • dkidd

    finally watching the game after a day of hoops

    interesting to hear girardi say they will monitor how pineda feels but there won’t be a hard innings limit

    “he’s pitched 175 innings in the big leagues”

    • Preston

      A hard innings limit is silly. If he throws 85 pitches over 8 innings he’s put less stress on his arm than if he threw 6 innings with 100 pitches. And the more stressful the situation the more stressful the pitch. They need to monitor how much stress he puts on the shoulder, and he isn’t going to pitch a full season. But to say right now that he can only pitch 120 innings or whatever other bullshit number they pull out of their ass, is just letting the media know when to panic about the situation and stir up a fan frenzy.

      • Dalek Jeter

        I agree 100%, it should be much more subjective and handled on a case by case basis.

      • dkidd

        the impression i got from girardi was that if pineda continues to feel good, then he’ll pitch the full season

  • Dalek Jeter

    So after hearing so much in the game thread about Betances’ strike out of Bautista I stayed up till 1 am watching the encore. After seeing it? Betances better pack his heavy coat, it’s still a mite cold up here in the NYC area.

  • Fin

    Its pretty exciting to see the Yankees with quite a few pitchers under the age of 30 with nasty stuff. Pineda, Tanka, Robertson and Betaces. Should be a fun season if injuries don’t wreck it.

    • Fin

      Nova might be in that category too.

      • RetroRob

        He’s 27 and has some nasty pitches. Just needs consistency through the whole season, so Nova totally fits in. On a day with Banuelos hit 95 mph, and we heard Ramariz and his upper 90s fastball is headed to the pen, the Yankees have quite a few promising power arms here and on the way.

        Now if only they can start bringing along a few position players.

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