Sunday Night Open Thread

Zoilo drives in two in RailRiders' loss
Yankees escape Tampa with a split after 5-1 win over Rays in 12 innings

Here is your open thread for this lovely Sunday evening. The Orioles and Red Sox are the ESPN Sunday Night Game (Ubaldo vs. Peavy), plus there’s playoff basketball and hockey on all night. Talk about those games, this afternoon’s game, Ivan Nova‘s bum elbow, or anything else right here.

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Zoilo drives in two in RailRiders' loss
Yankees escape Tampa with a split after 5-1 win over Rays in 12 innings
  • CountryClub

    I’m stating the obvious here, but that’s a good win.

  • forensic

    Huge win. So glad they don’t have to go back to that place for almost 4 months!

    And I’m kind of liking Ruocco in the studio. He does need a smaller watch for TV though, that thing’s huge.

    • forensic

      And as I say I like him, both he and Jack question them not challenging on the Roberts play.

      Why do none of these announcers know that dropping it on the transfer doesn’t count as an out anymore???

      • Tom

        It hasn’t happened in a Yankees game yet.

        You seem to have this expectation that they should be aware of stuff going on in other games around baseball. That’s crazy talk! ;-)

        • forensic

          The weird thing though, is that Girardi actually did go to the phone, like he didn’t really know the rule either. For everything we may say about him, he’s usually pretty damn well-versed in the rules and things like that. I’m not sure what else he could’ve been doing with asking the video guy.

          • TheRealGreg

            But is the circumstance different when trying to turn a DP?

            • forensic

              What circumstance? Dropping it on the transfer is dropping it on the transfer. It doesn’t matter what play it is. Check out the fangraphs article on it. It’s an absurd rule, but it is what it is.

              • CountryClub

                According to Rosenthal, they may have realized how idiotic it is and they’re meeting soon to discuss changing it.

                • forensic

                  I hadn’t seen that, but good, it needs to be changed.

            • Tom

              No. They changed the rule for both OF catches and the infield on any catch.

              A call the other day was reverse on something similar – the IF’r clearly had the ball and dropped it on the transfer. Onfield they ruled an out, but it was overturned.

              There was also a play at homeplate about a week ago (I want to say it was against Texas?) and they tried a home to first double play. Catcher caught it, took a step toward first and dropped the ball taking it out of his glove. Ruled an out on the field, overturned by replay (transfer wasn’t completed)

              • TheRealGreg

                Okay. I didn’t know.

          • Dick M

            He’s still gonna check w the vids guy. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t know the new rule. The fact is he didn’t challenge it.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Ruocco’s not a dumb guy. Usually tends to play “Mr. Rational” to Stephen A’s Alpha Male schtick.

      I really do like Stephen A., even though he’s absolutely crazy-making sometimes and, as much as Like Stephen A., I like Jay Pharoah’s impression of him even more.

      • forensic

        Geez, you like Nancy Newman AND Stephen A. Smith???

        You’re killin’ me, Jorge…

        • Dick M

          Jorge pretty much likes everybody.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I even like you, Dick.

            I find it beats not liking everybody.

            • Dick M

              You don’t want to like everybody though. Most would consider it a character flaw.

              • Jorge Steinbrenner

                I’m doing just fine, dude. Really……like, somehow, I have a family, good job, and everything.

                This, somehow, occurred despite being a card-carrying DCA. ;)

                • Dick M

                  I’m sure you are. Positive thinkers go far. There’s a line though.

                  I actually like this team a little bit. The Cashman spent well this go round.

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    They’re likable. Something for everyone. Vets, gritty gutty guys, youth.

                    They’re certainly more likable when they’re winning, though.

                    • Dick M

                      I loved Anna’s AB. Kid showed us something. Led the PCL in hitting and had an OBA of 420 or something? Looks like a major leaguer to me.

                    • Jorge Steinbrenner

                      Yanks may have added two very solid hands in Solarte and Anna from the scrap heap this off-season, yet those moves always get laughed at when they happen and folks will doubt their scouting. They have their faults but, if both of these guys continue to be performers, their minor league scouting will deserve a major round of applause for this off-season.

                      Agreed on Anna. I’m seeing more than a AAAA guy so far.

    • 99

      I swear, that place is the Yanks bugaboo. I dread these games like none other. In fact, any time they go play there, I expect injuries, horrible loses or God only knows what else. That place is a heaping pile of metal shit and it’s really not hard to see why they average about 3000 fans for a game.

    • nycsportzfan

      Taking 3outta4 against Boston, and splitting 4game set in Tampa(toughest spot for NY to play), and winning series on rd in Toronto, is pretty nice against the division to start yr. Only blemish, is losing series to Baltimore at home.

      Was thinking about next game vs Boston. I’d love to see this lineup vs John Lester Tuesday night.

      Derek Jeter SS
      Jacoby Ellsbury CF
      Carlos Beltran RF
      Alphonso Soriano DH
      Mark Tiexera 1B
      Brian McCann C
      Yangervis Solarte 3B
      Brian Roberts 2B
      Brett Gardner LF

      It would mean keeping KJ on the bench again, but its heavily righty based lineup, and by batting Jeter 1st, you break up 2 straight lefties in a row with Gardy and Ells.. I like this lineup.

      • nycsportzfan

        My bad, Tor series was at home. Still, won the series.

        • nycsportzfan

          Uhh, brain fart, Tor series was on rd.

  • forensic

    Hector Noesi isn’t liking Texas any more than he liked Seattle.

  • cnp

    Hector Noesi’s inning batter by batter: Double, groundout, single, double, single, walk, strikeout, single, double, double, groundout.

    All told, 1.0ip 7h 7r 1BB 1K

    woof

    • Zach

      Sounds like a couple of our pitchers the past couple of days.

  • Deep Thoughts

    On Gardner’s ball that Myers trapped, he kept running and scored. Myers *obviously* knew he trapped the ball. It hit the wall in two different places before ricocheting into his glove. Nonchalantly jogging in was gamesmanship, not ignorance.

    So, knowing the ball was trapped, why shouldn’t Gardner have scored? Shouldn’t have Myers and the Rays suffered the consequences of their bluff? They even could have thrown the ball to the plate after the out call.

    • forensic

      What’s the difference between that and a first baseman who catches a throw that he knows was late but the ump called the runner out? The first baseman starts throwing the ball around like it’s a normal out but the runner decides to jog all the way around the bases until they finish reviewing it.

      Should he get a homer on that?

      You can’t prove what’s in his mind. Once the play is called, it’s all dead. I think he should’ve gotten a triple, since he’s faster than most, but I don’t agree with just giving him a homer because he finished jogging around the bases.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Well, one difference is you don’t go around the horn on a third out. Another is that a runner would be way less likely to advance on a ball in the infield. The third is that was a trap, not safe/out call, nor a transfer play.

        I’ll also say it wasn’t dead in the eyes of the Yankees, were still running the bases, nor the umps, who maintained their position (2B umpire backed up to watch if the ball came back to the infield, 3B umpire watched Gardner round the bases).

        I will agree, however, that a triple would have been a plausible call. Putting him on 2nd, however, was bogus.

    • Steve (different one)

      I was listening on the radio at that point, so forgive me if I have some of the facts wrong (do you even need to ask if Sterling called it a HR?), but my understanding from his description was that the ball hit a “screen” and that made it a grounds rule double. That was not the case?

      • forensic

        Nope, as one often stuck with them I understand your pain.

        There’s a fence along the top of the OF wall and the ball hit off that. The yellow line for a homer is at the top of the fence and the fence is still in play. So, no, it’s not a ground-rule double. He was put at 2nd at the (reviewing) umpire’s discretion.

  • Mickey Scheister

    Nuno baby! If he was more stretched out, with his pitch count where it was when he was lifted after 5, he could’ve easily gone 7 or 8 innings today! Vidal “Don’t call me Sassoon” Nuno!!

  • Cheval Anonyme

    Yangervis Solarte anagram of the day:

    “Tyro Greases Anvil”

  • TheRealGreg

    Nuno career starting: 22IP 14H 4ER 8BB 13K

    • nycsportzfan

      Nice. Pretty much has that one rotten bullpen outing and all solid to really good, if i’m not mistaken?

  • LarryM Fl

    Cabral and Daley, DFA, as Yankees are cleaning house on the big league roster and AAA. They both had terrible days prior to the DFA but I doubt they believed it was coming.

    Apparently, the Yankees have seen enough of these 2 guys. Cabral just melted away. Daley never impressed last year.

    • forensic

      Daley never impressed last year? He allowed 2 hits, 0 walks, and 8 strikeouts in 6 MLB innings after having a sub-0.9 WHIP in AAA with a 2.5 ERA.

      • CountryClub

        According to Daley, his DFA is because of weird language in his contract. He expects to be headed back to Scranton.

        • forensic

          I know. I was just addressing his assertion that he never impressed last year.

          • CountryClub

            Yeah I’m was backing you up. I should have been clearer.

            • forensic

              Ah, sorry.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I wouldn’t be surprised if he wound up back on the 40-man at some point.

          I also wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks this org’s treated him especially well and winds up coaching in the minors for us one day.

      • nycsportzfan

        And he continued last yrs success by doing really well in Spring Training. Everything we’d seen to this point with Daley had been good, before today.

      • LarryM Fl

        We shall see as per your sample size in MLB

  • Jersey Joe

    Is Nuno the interim starter? Or will Phelpsy get a shot?

    • forensic

      At this point, the assumption has to be that it’ll go to Nuno, at least for now.

    • nycsportzfan

      Nuno has done nothing but succeed in limited starts, and Phelps seems to be settled nicely into his role as guy before Warren and Kelley, so it’d almost gotta be Nuno.

      Does anyone love how fast Nuno works as much as I do? Hes really quick in between action.

  • CountryClub

    Since we saw him start last year I’ve felt that Nuno can be a legitimate starter in the majors. It’s been a SSS so it’s really just a gut feeling, or a leap of faith, if you will. But he just knows how to pitch and he has enough pitches that hitters can’t sit on one thing.

    I think he’ll be more than fine. I hope they give him a real chance.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      He worries me in the long run because of the margin of error he needs to be successful, but I’m fine with running with him at the moment. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a very different pitcher in his slot by the trade deadline.

      • ALZ

        this. I hope he proves me wrong, and I have been rooting for him. But honestly he has lots of pitches, but none are really dominant, and his velocity is pretty bad. He is an underdog.

    • hogsmog

      Yeah also something I’ve been thinking is that maybe Nuno is the kind of pitcher who’s stuff specifically doesn’t ‘play up out of the pen’, ie he’s not a guy who needs a couple more mph on his fb/slider to be effective, but has slow finesse and offspeed that works over the course of a game, and where he can help the team most.

      • RetroRob

        I think the Nuno meltdown we saw in one of his bullpen appearances can just as easily happen as a starter. He doesn’t have a specific swing-and-miss pitch as far as I can tell, so he depends on command and variety of pitches. As a lefty, if he is on his game he can succeed. When he’s off, though, he’ll get hit. The same can be said of most pitchers, but his margin for error is much smaller.

        I say keep rolling him out there and hope his off days are few. Perhaps being in the rotation and taking the ball consistently will help, but I expect to see some bashings from time to time.

  • vicki

    but seriously. still early and all, but can we all pause to lol @ the mariners? especially LEAD-OFF man abe almonte with his .268 obp. think about that every time you watch shawn kelley k a guy.

    • forensic

      I didn’t get to mention it in the game thread, but it’s amazing how different the Marlins are at home vs. on the road. 9-4 vs. 0-6.

      • FIPster Doofus

        They must hate playing in front of crowds.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          It confuses them. Like, why are these people here, and why are they all eating arepas?

  • forensic

    Boone Logan comes in and faces 4 batters, 3 lefties: single, double, sac fly (ties game), single (takes lead)

    LOOGY’s just can’t seem to do anything right. It really does seem like the most wasted roster spot on so many teams.

    • ALZ

      That contract was dumb. He was a decent LOOGY for us, but that was way too much to pay for what he is.

  • 99

    I’m pretty sure that despite a recent rough outing from Banuelos, this is his chance. It’s not going to happen right away, since I imagine the Yanks are stocked enough to ride out the month, but I’d say there is a better chance than not, that Banuelos is making starts by mid May. He could use a few more weeks of conditioning and you probably don’t want to start the service clock again until the end of April, which I believe does apply in his case (to extend control for 1 additional year).

    In the meantime, I have no idea what they’ll do. It could be Phelps or Nuno (or both). Probably Nuno though.

    • forensic

      I’d be beyond shocked if Banuelos made an MLB start or appearance before September. And even September seems unlikely the way they’re treating him.

      • 99

        I can’t see any reason why he would’t be an option for the team.

        • Prussian General Jordan Brink

          Well with the fact that he doesn’t get “normal” pitch counts, it’s hard to see him getting up to the 100 pitches a starter needs.

          I would love to see him on the big league team, just not likely at this point. Maybe September.

        • Michahiro Pinaka

          How about the fact he’s only thrown 33 innings since the end of 2011.

        • forensic

          Because they won’t even let him throw over 3 innings an outing yet. Because he’s missed nearly two full years with injuries. Because he hasn’t really shown any control since he reached AA four years ago.

          And because, despite all of the above, he’s still an actual pitching prospect who might be able to develop into a good MLB pitcher if they and he does things successfully.

        • RetroRob

          Banuelos is on a rebuild program that is going to take the entire season. Controlled innings, controlled pitch counts, and in the process hopefully he can rediscover the command he once had but seems to have lost in AA.

          If he pitches well, yes I can totally see him making an appearance later in the year, but we’re talking September, as they evaluate him as a potential rotation candidate for 2015. Yet he has a lot of work to do before he gets there.

          If he is pitching for the Yankees in May, something has gone horribly wrong on the MLB roster.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      By May? I’d say there’s absolutely zero chance of that.

      • RetroRob

        So you’re saying there’s a chance?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Zero is an actual number. We’ve tried to make sure our son knows that while he learns how to count.

  • CountryClub

    @eboland11: Joe Maddon: “I can’t stand here and say the Yankees pitched great. We just did not have a good offensive day.”

    • Silvio

      I didn’t watch the game and only know that the score was 1-1 going into the 12th. Does Madden mean that the Yanks staggered their way to a 1-1 tie, until they blew it open and then (in rickety fashion) managed to get through the bottom of the inning?

      They didn’t get many hits either. Were they robbed by stunning fielding plays of about a half-dozen or more hits?

  • forensic

    The Washington Wizards made the NBA Playoffs???

    Did they disband half the league?

    • Prussian General Jordan Brink

      The Knicks wave hello.

      • forensic

        Someone asked you the other day but you had disappeared. Assuming you’ve been here before, would you mind telling us your prior handle?

        • Prussian General Jordan Brink

          I’m a pretty infrequent poster. I read most of the articles and laugh at the conversations, but rarely post.

          My old handle was LitFig.

          • forensic

            Yeah, I recognize the handle, thanks!

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            A-ha! Always good to link names back.

    • Wheels

      The NBA is a sad shell of it’s former self.

      • Wheels

        *its (yikes)

  • CountryClub

    Here’s Rosenthal’s article about them fixing the transfer rule calls. Hopefully this happens soon.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....hes-041814

    • forensic

      Both of those rule changes were asking for trouble from the start. Sounds like maybe the transfer rule will be somewhat cleaned up at least. That doesn’t sound like much improvement on the clear as mud blocking the plate rule though.

      • RetroRob

        I have no idea what they would change a rule that all players, coaches and umpires understood for 100+ years.

  • chris

    Todays strong performance aside, I would prefer phelps in the rotation over nuno. I like the flexibility of having two lefties in the pen. As i see it, This will be tough to pull off b/c nuno will need time to rest after today and if phelps is pegged for a start he will need rest in preparation leaving you really short in the pen. I would also like to see manny banuelos get a shot. I heard he is in single A throwing only 3 innings at a time so that is a ways off.

    • Preston

      ManBan is probably months away at this point. Especially since he got absolutely bombed his last time out. He gave up 5 hits and 4 runs and they pulled him after only getting two outs in the first inning. Right now it’s hard to argue against Nuno being the 5th starter. He’s already stretched out and in 4 big league starts he’s gone 22 innings and allowing only 4 earned runs and he hasn’t been successful as a reliever. We know what Phelps is, he’s marginal at best as a starter. But as a reliever he might be something more useful. In a month if Nuno isn’t getting the job done, stretch out Phelps and put him in the role.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      We really need to let Manny Banuelos do what he needs to do, at his own pace, in order to get himself back to where he can be that option. What’s happening with Nova should have zero bearing on that.

      • Chip Rodriguez

        This, this, this.

        If there’s an urgent need for another starter, stretch out Phelps, give the job to Nuno, look for trades or free agents, whatever.

        But don’t fuck up the development of an incredibly talented prospect just for this one season.

  • Dick M

    I’m a Nuno guy. His 2012 year in the minors was very strong and then his 3-4 starts last yr before the groin were great. He deserves the chance.

    His command and left-handedness project as possible 4th or 5th starter to me. Potentially a very good one.

    I see Phelps as a fastball/slider set-up man. He could be a good one in that role.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Really strong st, as well.

  • dc1874

    Cano down to 268..1 HR..8 RBI… Record 7-11..and fading fast…Hey Robbie..miss us yet??

    • forensic

      He was on the verge of dropping under .250/.300 BA/OBP before today’s two hits. And that’s even with a really hot start to the season.

      He didn’t even changes leagues. Safeco did beat him up for his short little 5 game stint there though.

      He must just not be True Mariner material (actually, given his struggling offense, maybe he really is a True Mariner).

    • Dick M

      I don’t know if he misses us but after watchin our second base play, I know I miss him.

  • Tom

    John Kruk: “I think at this point Jacoby Ellsbury is better than Grady Sizemore and Jackie Bradley Jr”

    (apparently this was somehow a question and needed clarification)

    • forensic

      You’re a braver man than I.

      I can’t bring myself to watch them tonight, especially since it’s the night before Patriot’s Day.

      • Chip Rodriguez

        They spent more time talking about David Ortiz’s post-marathon comments than they did about the guy who’s shutting down the Red Sox offense tonight.

        Even by their standards, the commentary tonight is awful, obnoxious, and I’m very glad I’m not playing a drinking game based around mentions of Boston Strong.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Boston Strong. Red Sox Still Suck.

        • forensic

          Have they even mentioned the fact that they’re one Ortiz out away from having 5 starters with OBP’s under .300?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Yet they’re so GRITTY that it doesn’t matter.

          • Chip Rodriguez

            Ortiz singled, and they took 3 minutes admiring replays of his swing.

            Really.

            • forensic

              Figures, I flip over just in time to hear Kruk be completely incapable of figuring out what a catch is or isn’t, even with all the information given to him.

              • Chip Rodriguez

                but he can tell you how many home runs Mike Napoli hit in Sunday night baseball games, and then start cheerleading for another. Yes. This happened.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      He clearly broke script. Kruk will be replaced at MLBN tomorrow by Fred Robbins.

  • will

    You have to be a real sociopath to watch red sox baseball and it not involve the yankees, especially on easter. i would just /wrists and be donezo

  • The Other Matt

    Man, I love Carlos Gomez !

    • forensic

      If by love you mean despise, then I agree!

      • The Other Matt

        I have no reason to dislike him, he doesn’t get under my skin. Maybe if he played in the AL East then I would despise him, but I enjoy his attitude and confidence. Not to mention, he’s a pretty good ball player.

  • TheRealGreg

    Doesn’t it seem that whenever the Red Sox call up a guy he does really well for them right away? Nava, Middlebrooks, Iglesias, and now Holt.

    Of course we have Solarte and had Shane Spencer and Shelley Duncan, so I guess it evens out

    • forensic

      He was called up for them last year and hit .203/.275/.237. But sure, just pick these 10 AB’s instead. Iglesias was horrid for them when first called up. Middlebrooks lost his job. Nava’s been ok but has been horrid this year.

      • Dick M

        And Bogaerts played a huge role as a rookie on a World Series winner.

        I hate the Sox more than anyone, but they are developing some young talent and their system is loaded.

        • forensic

          Sure, but Greg constant woe is we and confirmation bias about the Sox farm system is getting beyond absurd.

    • Chip Rodriguez

      What a great example of confirmation bias.

    • Jersey Joe

      Too bad we can almost only get minor league veterans as mentioned to pan out in the bigs.

      • forensic

        Sorry, I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Two of the four guys listed for the Sox could just as easily be terms minor league veterans too.

  • forensic

    Stupid little league park. That’s almost caught by the SS in any real professional stadium…

  • forensic

    Holy shit Orioles. At least if the Red Sox are going to get an aggravatingly gifted win like that we get a consolation prize of the O’s embarrassing themselves while playing their always fundamentally sound baseball under Showalter.

    • Brandon

      How the fuck do you blow a 5-0 lead? The Red Sox should be like 5-14 or even 4-15 but they’ve gotten wins gift-wrapped to them by the White Sox and got one swing victories on meatballs by the Yankees and Rangers.

      • Zach

        SImple, you have a offense that while far from what they were last year, will still get on base and make you pay for mistakes and a solid bullpen.

    • Tom

      The beauty of it all?

      The Oriole who made the error at the end is only in because of Farrell’s (yes Farrell’s!) incompetence.

      Lough was the guy who Buck was going to PH for in the top of the 9th, when Farrell, seeing the righty PH for him on deck, decided to bring in the righty reliever. Of course Farrell, being the incredible manager he is, didn’t actually bother waiting for the PH to be announced, so Buck pulled him back after the pitching change and sent up the original hitter, Lough, to face the righty pitcher Farrell brought in.

      And of course Farrell being a complete dumbass is rewarded not once, but twice for this move – the guy strikes out stranding the go ahead run at 3rd, and then commits the game deciding error in the bottom of the inning.