Cashman confims Sabathia will be out until least July

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The Yankees have lost another one of their starters for an extended period of time. Brian Cashman confirmed to Joel Sherman that CC Sabathia will be out until at least July due to his continued right knee problems. Just last night we heard Sabathia was going to see another doctor after receiving a cortisone injection and stem cell treatment from Dr. James Andrews a few days ago.

“It will be no sooner than six weeks from now,”said the GM to Sherman. “Our dialogue with Andrews has been good and the small sample of stem cell procedures, the results are very successful, but he has to be pain free before strengthening, so there is a way to go. Because he is a starter it will take longer. I have no idea how long it will be and if it will be successful. We are hoping it is six weeks to a Major League return.”

Sabathia, 33, has what Cashman called “degenerative change” in his right knee, referring to the cartilage. He had surgery to repair a torn meniscus in the knee after both the 2006 and 2010 seasons. Even the slimmed down version of Sabathia is a large man and he’s been coming down on that right knee — his landing leg — for a long time now. Joe Girardi said he is unsure if surgery will be necessary if the stem cell treatment doesn’t work.

“I have not been told that (surgery is possible), but I think you have to wait and see how all of this works,” said the manager to Chad Jennings yesterday. “I think any time you deal with a degenerative knee issue, at some point in your life something is probably going to flare up. I’m not a doctor, and I can’t tell you when that’s going to happen. When you have degenerative back (problems), it usually gets to the point where usually you have to have something done, so we’ll have to see.”

The Yankees are also without Ivan Nova and Michael Pineda, so three-fifths of their Opening Day rotation is hurt. Nova is done for the year following Tommy John surgery and Pineda recently started throwing bullpens as part of his throwing program, but he is still several weeks away from returning from his back/shoulder muscle injury. David Phelps, Vidal Nuno, and most recently Chase Whitley have stepped into the rotation and have been … hit or miss. Let’s put it that way. They have combined for ten starts and have completed five full innings of work only six times (combined 3.62 ERA and 4.08 FIP).

We already know the Yankees are open to trading for pitching — “Generally at this time of year, nothing materializes. We will keep an eye out to see if something does,” said Cashman to Sherman — because they’re always open to trading for pitching. Hal Steinbrenner has indicated a willingness to take on salary and increase payroll, which seems unavoidable if the team wants to lands a rotation upgrade. Expect a lot of Cliff Lee and Jeff Samardzija chatter over the next few weeks.

The Yankees have just about exhausted their internal rotation candidates, with Alfredo Aceves, Brian Gordon, and Shane Greene next in line to make starts (not necessarily in that order). Manny Banuelos might be an option in the second half, and, if worst comes to worst, they could always pull Adam Warren out of his setup role and stretch him back out into a starter. Putting Dellin Betances back in the rotation should be a non-option given his history.

Sabathia has been pretty awful both this year (5.28 ERA and 4.72 FIP) and since the start of last year (4.87 ERA and 4.21 FIP), but that doesn’t mean the Yankees are better off without him. Far from it. Phelps, Nuno, and Whitley are five and fly pitchers who drain the bullpen — Betances can throw two innings every other day for only so long — and the Yankees run of the risk of burning out their key relievers later in the season. They need to get some more length from their starters, including Hiroki Kuroda.

On the other hand, it’s possible Sabathia will come out of this ordeal as a better pitcher once he’s healthy. He’s shown he will pitch through pain in the past, most notably pitching on the torn meniscus in 2010, with the bone spur in his elbow in 2012, and after blowing out his hamstring mid-start last September. Who knows how long the knee was bothering Sabathia and how getting it taken care of will help him? If he was unable to land comfortably, it would explain some of his location issues, no doubt. We’ll find out eventually, I guess.

For now, the Yankees are stuck with the totally awesome Masahiro Tanaka, the inconsistent Kuroda, and three rolls of the dice in the rotation. Pineda will hopefully be back early next month and that will be a huge help based on the way he was pitching earlier this year. At the very least, Sabathia’s ability to take the ball every fifth day and soak up some innings will be missed, especially by the middle relievers who have to pick up the slack.

Categories : Injuries
  • GGooglyBoogly (@ggooglyboogly)

    Baseball hurts :-(

  • Leg-End

    I don’t care!

    /Samuel Gerard

  • CountryClub

    Like most fans, I’m hoping he can bounce back and be productive for the next couple of years. Hopefully he won’t be forced to retire because of this. But the Yanks would luck out by getting out from under his deal.

    • Mike Axisa

      He’s not retiring and forfeiting that contract. He’d sit on the 60-day DL for three years if anything.

      • CountryClub

        Probably true.

        • Looser trader droids FotD™

          If by probably you mean absofuckinglutely beyond a shadow of a doubt, then yes.

      • Ed

        That 2017 vesting option is going to look incredibly dumb if it kicks in and his misses the season because of a knee injury.

      • Darren

        I don’t think he can just do that.
        I think he has to be legitimately rehabbing or recovering, right?

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          “Legitimately” has very, very wide room for interpretation.

          • David

            See Pavano, Carl.

        • Ed

          Look at how Mo Vaughn’s career ended. Basically had a press conference that said he’d never play again, but stopped just short of saying that he was retiring. Got to sit at home and collect the remainder of his contract.

          Basically, the only way you lose the guaranteed money is if you file retirement papers, or if you’ve able to play and refuse to. If you’re legitimately unable to play, you still get paid.

          • Looser trader droids FotD™

            And if you really need to, you can always find a physician who will diagnose you as unable to play.

            CC could also “prove” the point by tossing 70mph meatballs and saying it’s the best his body can do.

            Not saying any of the above is at all likely, but there is no way short of insurance that the Yanks aren’t paying CC this money.

        • RetroRob

          The players are fully covered on this, and for good reason.

          If he’s injured and not able to perform, he could be on the 60-day DL for the next three years. Wasn’t Albert Belle on the Orioles DL for years? The owners get all the advantages during a player’s initial years, and the player has the advantage in the latter years once he signs a contract as a free agent.

          CC has earned every penney of that contract, even if he never throws another pitch again. That’s the system the owners and the players agreed to.

  • waldman’s beard

    is it really bad news? dude was killing them every 5 days

    • Darren

      Yes, it is really bad news. It’s not like some prospect now has some golden opportunity to show his stuff. There is no such prospect, with all due respect to Chase Whitley.

      • rbibaseball

        This could have been Manny Banuelos’s time to shine if he didn’t get injured two years ago.

        • Mike HC

          He can still get there in August and September. It is a long year.

        • Darren

          Yeah, it could have been Andrew Brackman’s time to shine too. But reality.

      • waldman’s beard

        So you’re good with running a guy out there who gives up a minimum of 5 runs per outing? You must love watching the team lose. As much as I respect his contributions to the team, he has been one of the worst starters in the AL for the last year and a half. Anyone they trot out there in his place would have a hard time trying to do worse.

        • Darren

          No, the point was that there was legit HOPE that CC would turn it around and pitch better and now and then have flashes of the old CC. I don’t see that same hope with Brian Gordon, do you?

    • RetroRob

      Yes. Quite bad. Same as when Nova went down. He was pitching great at the time, but it was a signifcant loss. So is CC. At least there is hope he’ll be back.

      • RetroRob

        He (Nova) wasn’t pitching great…etc.

  • Erica


  • Yangeddard Solarte

    Not the worst news in the world considering how well BGDP is pitching. A sparkling 3.33 ERA for Phelps, awful 5.28 ERA for CC.


    That’s a solid 1-4. I think they need to pick up another starter or convert Warren to a starter once Kelley returns. Nuno should be removed, Whitley is a temporary fill in.

    • Ghost

      I think pretty much all of us would take and trust more over a full season a one legged Sabathia on the mound vs a healthy Phelps. Let’s not kid anyone, this is a huge blow.

      • Mike HC

        Not me. I think Phelps and CC are about the same skill level at this point, and I would probably lean towards taking Phelps over CC for the rest of the year, and definitely over CC on one leg.

      • Yangeddard Solarte

        Not to those of us who have been watching CC pitch over the last 1+ year. If it’s the CC of 09-12, yes this would be a huge blow here. It’d be like losing Tanaka now. But the CC of now, who pitches to a 5.2 ERA, not really a big loss since Phelps is pitching better than that now. Pineda is the big key to get back since he provides that 1-2 punch with Tanaka.

        • I’m One

          I get what you’re saying. It actually makes sense, on the surface. Sure, this is not peak Sabathia, we all know that. But at the same time we have no idea what the return from Phelps/Nuno/Whitley will be long term. They could out-produce what CC will do, or they could implode tomorrow and be worse. Sample sizes are too small. Phelps hasn’t shown he’s more than a 4/5 starter and he has the longest track record of the bunch. I’d still take my chances on healthy CC over any one of those 3 over the course of a full season.

  • Mike HC

    I’m hoping Phelps and Whitley can outperform the current version of healthy CC anyway. Nuno less sure about but from the couple post game interviews I’ve seen from him, he wants it very, very badly. Not sure how much that means though.

    Sad to see CC get lighter to try to prevent this very type of injury, but for it to happen anyway. Definitely hoping for the best though.

    • RetroRob

      The talent level of Phelps, Nuno and perhaps Whitley are pretty clear. There is no upside, plenty of downside as starters. I’d rather have CC starting and push Phelps and/or Nuno to the pen and keep the depth. Right now the team is using the depth and that presents problems.

      • Mike HC

        I mean, I’m with you. We need all the arms we can get, including CC. But I think Phelps and Whitley have more potential and talent than you are giving them credit for. And while I think CC can figure out how to pitch with his diminished stuff, he hasn’t done it yet, and it has been over a year now.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Yeah, Whitley’s pitched fine at every level in the minors. Maybe he’s not an Ace-caliber prospect, but I don’t know why we’re already writing off the possibility of a #3/#4 guy.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        I don’t know how you can say that about Whitley. There’s very little data on him.

        • hey now

          You can say he has a damn good changeup, that’s for sure. How he’ll hold given multiple starts?

          Let me consult with my ouija board.

        • Dick M

          Very little data? That’s a good one. Now that I think of it you pretty much say that about everybody.

          He was left exposed to the rule 5 draft and he wasn’t even on our top 30 prospects list. I’m rooting for him as much as the next guy and I saw some signs that are promising ….. but to say that he doesn’t have a lot of upside isn’t nearly as off the wall as you are making it out to be.

          Gonzo what do you think?

      • Farewell Mo

        This. Whitley and Nuno are likely long relievers/spot starters at best and Phelps maybe a back of the rotation starter.

        IMO, I’d rather put my faith in CC learning to pitch with less velocity than any of these guys pitching effectively for any prolonged period of time.

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          Why? Seriously, someone tell me why Chase Whitley is getting bashed like this? What the hell does he have to do?

          There’s so little evidence , how can you rush to that judgment? ESP?

          • I’m One

            He needs to show what he is over the course of a full season at the MLB level. He may get that chance this season. As this is his first chance in The Show, I’d expect no more than a 4/5 starter-level of performance. I’d be thrilled with anything better than that. It is possible, but I’m not sure it’s probable.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              And a 4 starter is more than a reliever/spot starter.

              He’s pitched well in the minors, he pitched fine in his first outing in the majors.

              How about we give him at least 2-3 more starts before we decide that he’s a spot starter “at best”.

              • I’m One

                I think you need more than 2-3 starts to determine anything. I wasn’t implying that I think he’s a spot starter at best. Just that we don’t know enough to make any kind of determination on him. His minor league track record means nothing at this point. If he can be a 4-5 starter, great. I think that’s a big win. But we just don’t have enough data on him yet for projections at this level

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  My response was to Farewell Mo, who made the “spot starter at best” statement.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  I mean come on, please read my posts.

                  “There’s so little evidence , how can you rush to that judgment? ESP?”

                  “I don’t know how you can say that about Whitley. There’s very little data on him.”

                  “I don’t know why we’re already writing off the possibility of a #3/#4 guy.”

                  • Derek Jeter

                    Whitley pitched 1 good game in the Majors! That’s it! I guarentee if that 1 game was a blowout, we wouldnt even be talking about him “possibly” being a 4/5 starter..

                    • The Great Gonzo

                      Fact is, he DID pitch a good game in the Majors against a (somewhat) Major League lineup. And with no one else rushing him off the stage, he’ll get another chance…

                      Bear in mind, Nuno had the same reaction when he did the spot start thing last season, and here he is…

                      Fact is, he might be an OK contributor, he might be shit. We can’t sell him off as a nobody already. Its in our best interest, as fans, to hope for the best.

              • Looser trader droids FotD™

                A 4 starter is also better than CC has been over the last 1.25 years.

          • Farewell Mo

            Chase Whitley??

            Unless I’m mistaken, the guy was left undrafted in the last rule 5 draft and was projected as a middle reliever who never even started until the end of last season.

            I guess there’s a non zero chance this guy could stay in the rotation but I wouldn’t bet on it.

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead
              • I’m One

                Not sure that backs your argument well. He’s got a total of 15 career starts at any level. Again, my point is we simply don’t have enough data to determine what he is. I guess we could rule out being a #1 or perhaps even a #2 starter. But beyoind that, we simply don’t have enough data.

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  “Again, my point is we simply don’t have enough data to determine what he is.”

                  My point: Saying “He’s a spot starter/reliever at best” is wrong. It’s pretending we have more information.

                  Read the thread, my point is that we don’t know.

                  • Farewell Mo

                    You should try reading the original post to which you replied before going bat shit crazy.

                    Whitley and Nuno are LIKELY long relievers/spot starters at best

                    Could Whitley turn out to be more than that, possibly. Is his most LIKELY role long term a starting pitcher, a #3 or #4 to be precise like you mentioned, probably not given his pedigree and track record.

                    • The Great Gonzo

                      “Whitley and Nuno are LIKELY long relievers/spot starters at best”

                      When I get even more bored, I would be willing to bet I could go back and find a similar comment on RAB about one David Ignacio “Big Game” Phelps. He’s worked out just fine.

                      Another former Yankees farmhand, the aforementioned Andrew Brackman, was supposed to be a major league mainstay.

                      Yet, here we are.

                    • Cool Lester Smooth

                      Are you talking about our current long reliever/spot starter, David Phelps?

              • Cool Lester Smooth

                So you’re saying he’s been old for every level and wasn’t seen as worthy of a spot in the starting rotation until this past year?

            • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

              Or if I use more question marks, will you take me more seriously?

              • Farewell Mo

                You could use as many question marks as you want and it won’t change the fact that the chances of a guy like Whitley being able to pitch well enough to remain in the starting rotation are slim and none.

                To quote Mike, “Whitley was in his third straight year at Triple-A and facing a stalled out career a few days ago.” and “If he succeeds as a starter, even temporarily, it will be quite an accomplishment on his part and a big developmental win for the Yankees. We’re talking about a former 15th round pick here.”

                • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

                  Mike isn’t working on any more evidence than we are.

                  Whitley has 300 professional innings across 3+ years and 4 levels of baseball.

                  • Farewell Mo

                    Hope you’re right.

                    I’d be ecstatic if he can pitch at replacement level for a month-6 weeks until Pineda and/or CC come back.

                  • Cool Lester Smooth

                    That’s miniscule sample size for someone who’s been pitching for 3 years, and bullpen numbers are in no way indicative of how well someone will do as a starter.

  • Yankeefan91

    this is bad :/ we need a couple of arms

  • Dick M

    I’m for leavin Warren in the pen. He’s found his niche, let him thrive. No sense in weakening the pen either — we’re gonna need them all.

    I have faith in Nuno and Phelps and I like the way Whitley looked. Joe just needs to trust those guys a little more.

    • Mike HC

      Agreed. Moving Warren back to the rotation should be a last resort.

      • mitch

        Same with Betances. These guys have finally settled into important bullpen roles. I wouldn’t mess with it. Warren and Betances pitching 2 or 3 multiple innings stints each week is crucial to getting by with guys like Phelps, Nuno and Whitley starting so many games.

        • Mike HC

          Agreed. Betances staying in the pen I thought was a non issue.

  • Farewell Mo

    It’s not all that surprising that all these years of playing pro sports while carrying 350+ lbs wrecked his knee.

    Problem is there’s not a hell of a lot that can be done about degenerative joint disease other than try to manage the symptoms and when he’s old enough, get a knee replacement.

    What’s even more disturbing it that even after all his weight loss, which usually helps tremendously, he still had to be shut down for an extended period of time.

    Resting for 6 weeks is just fine but this is a chronic problem made worse by overuse and likely to flare up repeatedly.

    • Looser trader droids FotD™

      I’ve heard people who’ve gotten hip replacements say that the rehab pain is less than the pain they lived with every day. Haven’t met anyone with a knee replacement but it makes me wonder whether he should just get it over with and replace it now.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Jon Garland’s available…he’s not too far removed from throwing 200 innings to a sub 3.5 ERA.

    • Farewell Mo

      Not sure if you’re trying to be funny but that was back in 2010 pitching in Petco of all places.

  • hogsmog

    We’ll be fine with Big Game Chase Whitley.

    We’ll be FINE.

  • TWTR

    It’s not like he was pitching effectively, and they are going to have to pay him at least through 2016 (unless he retires due to injury, in which case I would guess they have insurance), so if six weeks of rest/treatment can actually help make him a more effective pitcher, then it is a non-terrible outcome.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’d love the Yanks to go after Charlie Morton if he becomes available, with Pirates scuffling this yr.

  • dalelama

    I forecast this two years ago. Tex is next. We have to have the worst training staff of any major sports team in the USA.

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

      dalelama every day of every season of every year: “The Yankees are old and suck and have terrible management and we’re going to suck and be in last place and everyone will get hurt and we spend so much money and we have no minor league system and everything is terrible”

      Congratulations on being right every so often. Asshole.

    • Mike Axisa

      Saying “this pitcher will get hurt in the future” is not exactly an epiphany.

      • The Great Gonzo

        How dare you question the prophecies of the dalelama.

        Are you even aware he KNEW an older pitcher was gonna get hurt and that a guy who has had injury issues over the past few years is next?

    • willie w

      no, its what happens when you specialize in old players

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        Nova’s old?

        • jsbrendog

          pineda’s old? shawn kelley is old?

          • The Great Gonzo

            Two veteran pitchers = OLD GUYZ SPECIALISTZ!

            Its kinda like when you hear about those car dealerships who are “Corvette Specialists”, but they have like 6 of them on their lot surrounded by Subarus.

            • willie w

              moron imbecile

              out of 5 starting pitchers is 40%

              but you are too stupid and probably failed statistics

          • Live from Antigua, it’s Jorge Steinbrenner

            willie w is a moron

            Also, this post should be entitled “play all the kids……except for Chase Whitley.” We get people asking for Kyle Fucking Roller every day on here but, no, not Chase Whitley. Never.

            I have no clue what the future brings with him, but he’s bought himself about two more starts with that outing.

            • willie w

              to Live from Antigua, it’s Jorge Steinbrenner

              thanks terd
              hope you fall down the stairs and break your neck
              you piece of %$^&$%^$&%^

              • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                Can’t even spell turd right, eh?

                • Deep Thoughts

                  It’s obviously short for “basterd,” you moran.

                  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

                    Dammit, your so write.

  • “FOLLY” of the pre-determined outcome

    I understand Warren is doing well in the pen. But IMO he is needed in the rotation. With the emergence of Betances and the return of Kelley, the 6th, 7th and 8th is essentially covered. Warren can always return to the pen… but we need to see if he can be a legitimate and strong #3. He’s got the pitches and the splits are showing he is handling lefties this year.

    • TWTR

      They may also be able to use Ramirez in the pen at some point to fill a late inning role. So I think Warren to the rotation is probably a matter of when, not if, barring a trade, or some surprising outperformance by Whitley.

      • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

        “surprising outperformance”

        No, “surprising performance” yes. We don’t have a base! Where the hell is the base of information everyone is working from that I never got a copy of?

        • TWTR

          You’re right, but my point is that because we don’t have a large sample size, if he can demonstrate that he can be credible 4th/5th starter, that would be out outperformance.

          • The Great Gonzo

            In fairness, one could say Whitley’s Quealizitrization would say he could be better than that, regardless of sample size.

            (Quealizitrization, much like outperformance, is also a made up word. Hard to tell someone their wrong when their evidence and vocabulary are both from out of their ass)

  • primetime

    Excuse me for my ignorance but what is BGDP?

    • Roadgeek Adam

      Big Game David Phelps.

    • Mike HC

      “Big Game David Phelps” as anointed by commenter “Yangeddard Solarte.” Sometimes his comments make great sense. Sometimes he is in full schtick mode. Sometimes you don’t know what the hell is going on. But he is here everyday and puts the work in, ha.

      • I’m One

        Sometimes you don’t know what the hell is going on.

        It’s the multiple personalities. He says it’s he and “his Dad” when he responds in plural, but we know better. :-)

        But you’re right, he puts in the work nearly every day and sometimes adds significantly to the enjoyment of reading this site.

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          I love Eddard’s shtick, personally. He’s not quite Big Member, but he can be hilarious.

  • willie w

    they should have let him walk after opting out of his contract instead of throwing obscene amounts of money at him

    • Looser trader droids FotD™

      Gosh willie. Please tell me this weekends powerball numbers, wouldja?

  • CanoSoup4u

    There needs to be a sense of urgency from the front office in addressing this situation. If you wait til July for Pineda and CC’s possible returns and a trade to materialize at the deadline we could be in deep trouble by then. If your hand is forced and you’re going to overpay for pitching might as well have that player on your team longer to make a bigger impact. And for the record I don’t see us having the chips for a Samardzija or Lee, I would gladly take a McCarthy or Hammel type.

    • I’m One

      What leads you to believe that Cashman and team haven’t knocked on those doors yet? That fact that no one is selling doesn’t mean the groundwork isn’t being layed. Have other teams made significant moves that may hurt the Yankees chances of landing the starter they need?

    • The Great Gonzo

      But, there is no pitching trade market right now. Like, ZERO ML pitching market.

      Someone gave Dalek some shit above about Garland, but that IS LITERALLY what your trade market is right now. Flame-outs and forced retirement guys.

  • jsbrendog

    someone call sidney ponson…..

    • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead


    • Darren

      Sergio Mitre?

      /ducks and runs

      • Yan Solo

        You better duck and run!!! :)

        • Darren

          Lol, good one.

  • Frank

    “Phelps, Nuno and Whitley are five and fly pitchers who drain the bullpen..”

    Whitley has had just 1 start. And what’s Sabathia? He’s certainly not much better. IMO, the alternatives don’t necessarily drain the BP more than CC. He’s been good for 5-6 innings and 100+ pitches. His days as a workhorse ended in 2012.

    • I’m One

      Agree with CC being nearly as much of a drain. And with the team seemingly controlling Pineda’s innings (before his suspension/injury), he would have been a drain on the BP as well. However, I think each of them would have reduced the workload on the BP by a few innings each week, which adds up over the course of the season

  • mick taylor

    pineda is key to season . if he can come back this season, yanks need to entice andy petite out of retiremant. then you have tanaka kuroda, pineda, petite phelps. then trade for a lefty reliever and sign kendry morales

    • Masahiro Nakamura

      Andy out of retirement is a horrible idea.

  • JGYank

    We’re stuck with nuno phelps and Whitley until Pineda comes back in mid June (if he is back by then). That will still only take one of them out, probably Whitley. They may have potential, but right now they don’t belong in the rotation or at least not all 3 in it at the same time. Might even have another injury before someone comes off the dl. Who will start then? Warren? Banuelos? Depth is extremely thin on the pitching side right now. If cc is back by July we can’t even rely him to pitch well because he’s been doing poorly for over a year. Pineda is needed back badly and Kuroda will have to pitch like he did in the first half of last year. They will need to get someone before the deadline. The trade rumors are going to be crazy the next couple of months. May even need to search the waiver wire or improve the pen to make up for the rotation. Offense needs to do better to keep this team afloat. Will be hard without Beltran. Need him back soon. Offense has been close to average so far but mccann still needs to get going so he can save us while guys are out.

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    John Sickels just wrote up Whitley on his website. It’s well worth a read.

    • Mike HC

      Thanks for passing on. Whitley’s recent run of successful starts in AAA and now the majors, along with this article and Axisa’s earlier write up on him, gives me some confidence in the guy.

    • Farewell Mo

      This scouting report is pretty much in line with what most of us have said about Whitley. Reliever/ spot starter like Phelps.

      • I’m One

        That was my take as well.

        • I’m One

          That’s not to say he can’t out-perform that, especially in the short term. But until he proves otherwise, through sustained performance, I don’t think we should expect to see him in the rotation next season (barring injuries, of course).

          • Farewell Mo

            Sure, anything is possible but IMO, it’s quite a stretch to envision Whitley establishing himself as a #3 or 4 starter for the long term based on his track record.

            After all, If he tops out as reliever/spot starter after being college reliever picked in the 15th round, you’d have to be damn happy with that outcome.

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              Yeah, if he’s Adam Warren, he was a fucking steal.

      • Mike HC

        I don’t know, seems like the majority opinion is much lower on Whitley than this article was. Or maybe people just don’t like Phelps all that much either. A guy that can pitch solid in any role is valuable.

        • I’m One

          Yes, they’re valuable. But they’re also typically not starters long term. See: Aceves, Alfredo as one example. I’m also sure you’ll find some that have become starters long term. It’s just less common.

  • Roadgeek Adam

    Let’s sign Armando Benitez. It’s only been 16 years to the day that he nailed Tino in the back. ;)

    Legitimately, I’d love to see Whitley, Nuno and Phelps succeed. We need them now more than ever.

  • Yan Solo

    Male Announcer: Paging Dr. Small 2005. Dr. Aaron Small 2005.
    Female Announcer: Paging Dr. Chacon 2005. Dr. Shawn Chacon 2005. You’re wanted on the mound immediately.
    Male announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
    Female announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
    Male announcer: The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.
    Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.
    Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There’s never stopping in a white zone.
    Female announcer: Don’t you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
    Male announcer: Listen Betty, don’t start up with your white zone shit again. There’s just no stopping in a white zone.
    Female announcer: Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
    Male announcer: It’s really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely. Therapeutically there’s no danger involved.

    • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

      Tee hee.

  • Michahiro Pinaka

    Ugh. The list of what’s “available” right now. Ugh.

    Jon Garland
    Jair Jurrjens
    Jeff Karstens
    Jason Marquis
    Jeff Niemann
    Clayton Richard
    Barry Zito

  • emac2

    Tanaka, Kuroda, egg rolls and rice?

    I wouldn’t give up the farm for a starter. Unless it’s a cheap #1 starter.

    If Pineda is healthy he and Tanaka are fine at the top.

    Kuroda is a good 3

    Phelps and nova can combine to fill the 4th spot and we can do the rotate a AAA guy game for the 5th starter until someone sticks.

    I wouldn’t do anything with Warren beyond turning him into a 2-3 inning guy. We might find the best results come from a group of 2-3 inning guys that work together on the 5th day and work out of the pen the rest of the time.


    These guys working up to 3 innings sounds better than most cheap options.

    • MB923

      “Phelps and nova can combine to fill the 4th spot”

      That’s kind of difficult for Nova to do since he’s out for the year. Then again, he is Super Nova.

  • Looser trader droids FotD™

    He was certainly dreadful, but at least he pushed our backup starters one notch back into the bullpen depth.


  • Dugan

    Now is the time to earn your money Cashman!! Make that trade for Lee!!

    • Michahiro Pinaka

      Wonder Twins powers activate! Force trade enabled!