DotF: Austin and O’Brien both go deep in Trenton’s loss

Don Zimmer passes away at 83
Yanks can't protect four-run lead, fall 7-4 to A's

Make sure you check out that video above about OF Aaron Judge. Here are some more notes:

  • Here’s another video courtesy of Josh Norris, this one featuring LHP Manny Banuelos striking out Phillies OF Aaron Altherr. It’s a 14-pitch at-bat that eventually ends with a strikeout. Banuelos threw the kitchen sink at him. Fastball, changeup, curveball, the works.
  • RHP Jaron Long has been promoted from Low-A Charleston to High-A Tampa, according to Mark Feinsand. The hitting coach’s kid tore up the Sally League (1.64 ERA and 2.32 FIP) after signing as an undrafted free agent.

Triple-A Scranton (14-7 loss to Norfolk)

  • 2B Jose Pirela: 3-5, 1 R, 1 RBI — 13-for-30 (.433) in his last six games
  • LF Zoilo Almonte: 2-5, 1 R, 1 RBI
  • DH Kyle Roller: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 1 BB — 13th homers in 43 games
  • C Austin Romine: 2-5, 1 2B, 1 K
  • RHP Joel De La Cruz: 3.2 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 7/1 GB/FB — 46 of 81 pitches were strikes (57%)
  • RHP Jairo Heredia: 0.2 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K — 23 of 39 pitches were strikes (59%) … he’s fit right in with the big league team
  • RHP Mark Montgomery: 1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 2/1 GB/FB — 16 of 23 pitches were strikes (70%)
  • RHP Danny Burawa: 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 2/1 GB/FB — 16 of 30 pitches were strikes (53%) … 23/10 K/BB in 18.2 innings

Double-A Trenton (6-4 loss to Richmond)

  • CF Mason Williams: 0-4, 1 K
  • LF Ben Gamel: 1-4, 1 RBI, 2 K
  • 1B Tyler Austin: 1-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI — second homer in his last nine games … good sign since wrist problems tend to sap power for a while
  • C Gary Sanchez: 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
  • RF Peter O’Brien: 2-3, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K — 21st homer on the season
  • 2B Rob Refsnyder: 2-4, 1 RBI — yawn, two more hits
  • RHP Bryan Mitchell: 4 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 5/3 GB/FB — 43 of 72 pitches were strikes (60%)
  • LHP Tyler Webb: 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K — 18 of 31 pitches were strikes (58%)
  • LHP Cesar Cabral: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1/1 GB/FB — eleven pitches, nine strikes

High-A Tampa (7-3 win over Charlotte, walk-off style)

  • CF Jake Cave: 2-5, 2 R, 1 3B, 1 RBI, 1 K — threw a runner out at third base
  • SS Cito Culver: 2-5, 1 R, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K — walk-off two-run double
  • DH Greg Bird: 2-3, 2 R, 1 2B, 1 BB
  • LHP Daniel Camarena: 5.2 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 WP, 1 HB, 7/5 GB/FB
  • RHP Nick Rumbelow: 2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 2/1 GB/FB

Low-A Charleston (3-1 loss to Hickory)

  • LF Michael O’Neill: 1-4, 2 K — threw a runner out at the plate
  • SS Tyler Wade: 2-4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 SB
  • RF Aaron Judge: 0-4, 1 RBI, 3 K
  • 1B Mike Ford: 1-4 — 8-for-35 (.229) since the four-homer game
  • RF Dustin Fowler: 1-4
  • 3B Miguel Andujar: 2-4
  • 2B Gosuke Katoh: 0-4, 1 K
  • RHP Luis Severino: 6 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 4/5 GB/FB, 1 E (pickoff) — picked a runner off first
Don Zimmer passes away at 83
Yanks can't protect four-run lead, fall 7-4 to A's
  • jimmy

    Any word on when Avelino is coming back?

  • Bill

    I think “Cake” Cave is now my new favorite prospect.

    • Homer Simpson

      Mmmm. Cake.

  • Jedile

    After watching that video of Judge man I am in love. I hope he pans out. Maybe be the next Trout (I can dream).

    • dan

      He’s older than Trout. Also, Trout is better than him at everything there is to be good at on a baseball field. Other than that, sure maybe.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Trout’s more of a 65 power guy (although it plays up thanks to the true 80 hit tool). Judge’s raw power tool is at least a 70, by all accounts, but it remains to be seen whether that will translate into in-game power on the same level as Trout’s.

        Also, Trout’s arm is average at best, while Judge’s is very good.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        So, basically, Trout’s much better at everything that actually matters, but Judge does have a better arm!

        • ALZ

          I don’t think you can really compare them though. Judge can be half of Trout and still be a damn good player. Trout is looking like a 10 WAR player thusfar.

          • BDaviees

            Have you watched Trout this year? Striking out a ton (led AL before his injury) and now right after coming back from a back injury he’s out again with another back injury. Buster Olney said yesterday, Angels are holding their breath and hoping it’s not more serious. Don’t get me wrong he’s an outstanding talent but maybe not the player we thought durability wise?

            • Cool Lester Smooth

              He’s gotten hurt exactly once in his career, is still a top 10 player offensively (8th most valuable) in this “down year” and remains an elite defender and baserunner.

              He’s tied for third in fWAR.

              • I’m One

                All true but back injuries at such a young age could limit his career peak or limit the length of that peak. Or not.

                • BDaves

                  Remember Don Mattingly was Hall of Fame bound after a hand full of good seasons before back injuries changed the track of his career. I hope this is only a minor blip for Trout, such an unbelievable player.

    • ALZ

      as a great young player, sure. I don’t think you can compare them though, they have different toolsets.

  • Scott

    At 24 years old, could it hurt to move O’brien to Scranton?

    • leftylarry

      Or to NY ?

    • Preston

      It certainly could, he’s played 24 games at AA and has a sub .300 OBP. The power is great, but he needs to work on everything else. The problem with letting young kids sink or swim is sometimes they sink.

    • ALZ

      He basically just got to AA, and now finally his obp over .300.

  • Frankie Beans

    He’ll be ready in 6060 aording to the Yankees

    • viridiana

      Interesting that the Yankee hitting coach’s son gets promoted. But no such luck for Judge, O’Brien or Refsnyder.

      • Preston

        You realize O’Brien has already been promoted this season? Refsnyder and Judge will both get promoted sometime after the draft. Long is a reliever, he’s probably getting promoted early because of a numbers game in the Tampa bullpen.

        • Cliff

          I don’t think he is a reliever. It probably has more to do with the fact the Yankees have no pitching prospects.

          • Preston

            He’s made 11 appearances only 4 were starts. Maybe they’re trying to make him a starter and the Charleston rotation was currently full.

      • ALZ

        Typically players spend more than 1/3 of a season at each level.

  • Cool Lester Smooth

    I now love Aaron Judge.

    • nycsportzfan

      Bout time.

  • Jonathan

    I’m really impressed with O’Brien moving up to AA and not only not skipping a beat but the guy’s plate discipline has really picked up. I dunno the exact number but I’d bet he has about double the walks in the last 10-14 days as he does all of the rest of the season. And he did it without losing anything as he continues to still hit well and for power. If the guy can find a position to play he might really be something.

    • W.B. Mason Williams


      21/5 K/BB

      All according to Baseball Reference.

      The guy looks like Adam Dunn but with less potential power right now.

      • vicki

        that’s a little outdated. he walked and k’d tonight, bringing his AA line to .258/.301/.639/.940. he’s still not likely to take a walk, and the average is down (and in turn, the obp), but the very least you can say about him is he’s not having a whole lot of trouble adjusting.

        • Preston

          The problem is, unless you think that the .380 ISO translates to the MLB, he doesn’t have enough average and OBP skill to be an adequate DH/1b (he still hasn’t even proven he can adequately stand at 1b). So it’s a little premature to be calling him up to the big club.

          • vicki

            i hope you know i don’t disagree. his positionlessness is an issue as well. he’s just a crazyass honey badger who makes reading dotf a little more fun. (mike’s highlights, mind you. not the comments section.)

            • lightSABR

              I hadn’t discovered RAB back in 2009. When the Yankees won the World Series, were commenters actually happy for a few days? Or are they really always this intolerable?

        • Cheval Anonyme

          His plate discipline couldn’t get much worse, so it’s not saying much. There really isn’t much opportunity for a pure one-skill player in the Majors, so he has to at least equal replacement level on some other skill.

      • Jonathan

        So rather than look into what I was talking about you just took the broadest numbers possible? If he didn’t have a plate discipline problem before, I wouldn’t be commenting on how much it’s improved. So of course if you take the entire year it seems poor. The man has 6 walks in his last 8 games compared to 4 in the previous 47 and 0 in the 28 games before the 6 BB in 8 games. I would call that progress and encouraging considering the power is still there and he jumped up to the big boy level. 150% more walks in about 1/6th the games in a tougher level stands out to me. Call me crazy.

        • Deep Thoughts
        • W.B. Mason Williams

          Those weren’t the “broadest numbers possible”.

          Those were his numbers at AA. As in, the past couple of weeks.

          29/4 K/BB at A+ this year in 30 games.


          22/6 K/BB at AA this year in 25 games.

          He’s actually on pace for fewer walks than last year. On the bright side, his average is up. So you’re right there are positives.

          Don’t be so salty just because someone disagrees. I wasn’t calling out your intelligence.

      • RetroRob

        Adam Dunn? Dunn walks a ton. That’s exactly what O’Brien does not do. The Yankees would be happy if O’Brien had Dunn’s hit skills.

      • Cool Lester Smooth

        Dunn doesn’t work. Dunn walks, and has always walked, a shit-ton.

        Not to mention that Dunn had sub-20% K-rates in the minors.

  • Mark

    Would Pirela be worse than Brian Roberts?

    • Sam

      Pirelas a guy that he’s an exciting player to watch cause he’s great defensively and with the bat he’s just getting better. Roberts isn’t doing a bad job for us but I will say pirela would be a much better person to have on the team then Smelly Johnson.

      • iRememberCelerinoSanchez

        Actually, Pirela’s defense is lousy. They have moved him all over the field in his minor league career because he hasn’t found a place. Second is where he does the least damage (another error tonight), but I don’t think anyone would say he is a good defensive player.

        There aren’t a lot of players who are his age, have not yet played in MLB (hell, he has only had a third of a season in AAA), but who go on to be even average MLB players. If Pirela did it, it would be a big shock.

        • Angelo

          Far too many people that comment on DotF believe a lot of these prospects should be promoted every other week.

          The reality is, very few will become solid mlb players. And Pirela is definitely not someone people should be clamoring for. This is getting silly.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’ve all ready said Roller or Pirela should be added. Obviously Roller has a ton of power and the big club has none, and as far as Pirela, hes earned his chance. The guys been a very consistent hitter since 2012 and can play multiple positions. The big club needs something to shake up the offense.

      • Cheval Anonyme

        Pirela is just a poor man’s Solarte, and we already have a Solarte. We don’t need any more OK hitting, lousy fielding infielders. We need guys who provide at least either good defense without bad hitting, or great hitting. You can’t make a roster up with just “versatility”; some of your players actually have to be good.

  • Scott

    I mean, O’brien is 24 and a college guy. Also, he’s not a “top” prospect as per the organization. So, in all reality, who gives a shit. I understand he’s been promoted already recently, doesn’t that mean he can’t be promoted again? Or should he spend the rest of this year at Trenton and 2 years at Scranton? Awesome, another useless Shelly Duncan clone. The problem with prospects sinking or swimming is sometimes they sink? Well, he’s not a prospect, right? 27 is a good age to see if they’re ready.

  • Deep Thoughts

    David Adams, Chris Nelson, Luis Cruz, Ramiro Pena, Brandon Laird, Reid Brignac, Alberto Gonzalez, and Brent Lillibridge say, “God, I’m so sick of hearing you whiners first bitch for the past two years about how the farm system sucks, and then squawk incessantly now to replace actual major-leaguers with aforementioned sucky farmhands like us because the team is at .500 with 100 games left and three starting pitchers on the DL.”

    Also Ronnier Mustelier says, “I bet you’re sorry you never gave me a chance, now that you need a backup 1B and I’ve been snapped up by a rival.” Oh wait, no, he’s 17 games into his Mexican League career.

    If you wanna see the kids play every day, go get Thunder season tickets or MILB.TV. Just please take the stupid back to

    • Preston

      I sometimes feel like I’m alone on DOTF. Thank you.

    • vicki

      just tremendous.

    • iRememberCelerinoSanchez

      Don’t forget about future All-Star and home run crown winner Jorge Vazquez, who DotF readers wanted promoted, but who didn’t even get a minor leaguee deal elsewhere when the Yanks cut him.

      It is fun to read DotF, but people have to understand that good minor league numbers do not automatically mean a guy can do it in MLB. More goes into it. There is a huge difference between Refsnyder (actual prospect) and Pirela (fringe prospect, at best, likely an org guy), despite both tearing it up right now.

      Similarly, O’Brien’s HR numbers are impressive, but with the subpar K/BB numbers (no, a good week isn’t enough to change that tag) and low BA and OBP, he is a major project, not a guy ready for a call up.

      • emac2

        The fact that many fail and that there are no guarantees proves what?

        It doesn’t prove that prospect development is an exact science.

        It doesn’t prove that the Yankees know what they are doing and their judgement should be trusted.

        If anything it means it is a very weak science that is poorly understood. The result of this conclusion shouldn’t be to dismiss poorly rated prospects but to let the prospects find their own level which artificial barriers based on some failed major leaguer or coaches idea of how long it takes to learn something.

        You also have the overall organizational question of spending 10’s of millions or trading a handful of prospects because there is no way O’Brien can’t possible do what lyle overbay or Morales will do (after sitting for almost a year) I don’t believe someone capable of any kind of scientific thought or economic principal can say O’brien can’t do as well for less as the low level options available.

        I think the cycling of the pen this year is how the minors should be run at the top with non prime prospects. Refusal to give players like Solarte a chance is where the point of view you mention here ends. Solarte could have easily remained buried in a deep organization and never gotten an at bat in the majors.

        • lightSABR

          Yes, Solarte could have stayed buried. And that would have sucked.

          Strangely, though, it wouldn’t have hurt my feelings last year if the guys on Deep Thoughts’ list had stayed buried. Do you understand how much worse that crop of players performed last year than even the worst regulars on this year’s team? This year, only one Yankee (Soriano) has hit worse than 75 wRC+ in more than 50 at-bats. Last year, 12 of them did. 12.

          Read Joe’s post from this morning: Solarte is unique in the history of baseball. Literally no one has ever gotten his major league debut this late and performed this well, certainly not after such poor performance in AAA. I’ll bet against it happening every time I get the chance, and bet on even mediocre veterans over one-tool 23-year-olds in AA – for example, O’Brien – every time I get the chance.

          • Cool Lester Smooth

            This, although I stand by my earlier speculation that Solarte’s wRC+ may have been less representative of his performance than his wOBA, as his skillset isn’t what the PCL inflates.

            He had a very good 2011 as a 23 year old in AA, and his 2012 and 2013 would have been a contact-heavy, average-ish line in the IL in those years.

            • lightSABR

              I must have missed that speculation. Interesting. Sounds plausible to me, and it would help explain the drop-off in performance between Minnesota and Texas.

              That said, that’s still only enough to raise my assessment of his AAA performance from “poor” to “mediocre, especially for a guy in his mid-20s who’s already been playing professional ball for six years.”

          • emac2

            Maybe I just keep missing your point.

            It’s not that it would have sucked if Solarte never made it. It’s that the team can’t succeed if they don’t learn how to develop talent that doesn’t instantly succeed at an all star level.

            The complete failure of the players last year was exactly my point and why we should be rotating unproven players from the minors to the majors to DFA until people stick. Last year we went with proven replacement level players instead of taking risks on players, who might be unlikely to be very good, but have less than the zero chance of the players that we went with and who had long track records. A .240 average with poor defense over an unknown for example.

            The point about Solarte being so rare is unimportant. We don’t need to find superstars that way. We need to find players that are comparable in talent, much cheaper and young enough that they might turn out to be really good. The fact that Solarte is hitting like this in May is one of the most irrelevant stats to any argument you could possibly find. It tells you nothing except that he started the season hot.

            • lightSABR

              Oh, heavens. Getting sucked into another argument with emac2. Someday I’ll learn to lay off the trolls’ eephus pitches, but today is apparently not that day.


              1) I didn’t bring up Solarte. You did. You’re blaming the Yankees for their “refusal to give players like Solarte a chance.” I’m pointing out that giving “players like Solarte a chance” rarely works out. Almost never, depending on what one means by “players like Solarte” and “working out.”

              2) The Yankees did give unproven players from the minors a chance last year. This is what happened:

              -Zoilo Almonte hit 55 wRC+ in 113 PA.
              -Austin Romine hit 48 wRC+ in 148 PA.
              -David Adams hit 45 wRC+ in 152 PA.

              Those are all below-replacement figures, and they were all handily outperformed even by crappy Major Leaguers, guys who were either scrap heap pickups at some point or should have been:

              -Mark Reynolds hit 105 wRC+ in 120 PA after the Indians released him.
              -Lyle Overbay hit 86 wRC+ in a depressing 486 PA after the Red Sox released him.
              -Even Vernon Wells – Vernon Wells! – hit 70 wRC+, though his defense made him roughly as bad as Adams and co., fWAR-wise.

              And I could have added others to that list. The moral of the story is quite simple: if you’re looking for someone to play for your Major League Baseball team and not be completely awful, hire somebody who’s played Major League Baseball recently and not been completely awful at it.

              But I guess you’d rather have us churn the whole farm through the 40-man and 25-man rosters, giving everybody enough time in the bigs to show whether or not they can stick there, burning their option years and losing MLB games just to find out what the scouts could already have told you: very few of them are ready for the show, and most of them will never be.

    • emac2

      So you think that every minor leaguer that can succeed in the majors is given a chance and capitalizes on that chance?

      If so can I assume that you “invest” a lot of money in lotto?

      If you build something none of the parts have to complete the function of what you are building by itself. If you don’t understand how this applies you should try to figure it out.

    • lightSABR

      And Deep Thoughts wins RAB for the night. Bravo.

  • nycsportzfan

    I forget who it was that was saying my using Rollers OPS in Trenton didn’t mean much? Well, how about hitting over 300 with power at Triple A with a OPS over 900? When does a offensively bleak club with next to no power let a kid with light tower power whos got numbers across the board get a chance? What are we waiting for? Why do teams let Sizemores and Annas and guys like that stand in the way of a guy who could possibly truly help in areas of great need?

    When does a team say ok, maybe this guy is actually pretty good? Does he have to hit 350BA with 30hrs and 100rbi’s at TripleA to get a cup of coffee on a team with no power?

    • iRememberCelerinoSanchez

      Two words: Jorge Vazquez.

      Minor league numbers don’t mean MLB success.

      There are a ton of Kyle Rollers in AAA, guys who tear it up in AAA but don’t have the skills to hit in MLB. Pretty much every organization has one. The Yanks have one pretty much every year.

    • Michael

      Have you seen Roller play live? In the several times I’ve seen him, he looks to me like a slower, less athletic version of Shelly Duncan. So I’m not sure he’s the answer.

      • Nsalem

        I doubt any of these “experts” have seen any of these players they rave about play. Treat it as comedy or disregard.

      • emac2

        You’re right.

        He isn’t the answer to the infield defense or any of our pitching problems.

        You didn’t really think that’s what he would be promoted for do you?

        • Cool Lester Smooth

          And he isn’t the answer to our hitting problems any more than signing Shelley Duncan would be.

          • emac2

            Because you predict the future or because hitting isn’t his calling card?

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      Areas of great need? You mean like our infield defense?

    • emac2

      I’m ready to promote him when he has adjusted and when there is an opening. He didn’t hit 300 in AAA from day one and even if you want to fast track someone you need to let them get their feet before you promote them. I don’t think you use time to determine promotion but you have to have something that you look at and I don’t think anything says Roller should have been promoted a week ago.

  • Wayne

    Jaron Long turns what age this year?
    Could he end up in aa by years end?

    • lightSABR

      Long turns 23 in September.